Really? Pro-aborts too lazy to call Code Red?
Even I am shocked by the advances pro-lifers have been making on the legislative front since January. It has been amazing. I can’t keep up with the volume of innovative bills wending their way through the system.
But I’ve been a little surprised by the other side’s somewhat muted response to our onslaught. I’m used to pro-aborts running around like their collective hair is on fire even when things are going their way. I would think they’d be calling Code Red right about now. Rather, they’ve been subdued lately.
I’ve wondered, do they not notice what’s going on, the massive pro-life turn of events? Are they in denial? Or are they not wanting to give us the satisfaction of admitting they have a real crisis on their hands?
Oh sure, the fundraising emails always make it appear so. But what about the pro-aborts on the street, the writers, the bloggers? Why haven’t they hit the panic button on their keyboards about our energy and new found sense of unstoppability?
Dont’ get me wrong. I expect and have seen some of our attempts indeed stopped.
But there is something new in the air, an attitudinal shift. Something has changed. Throughout the years abortion proponents have enjoyed the upper hand, generally speaking. But it appears that, for this moment in time at least, we pro-lifers are enjoying a major bull run. Were I in pro-abort shoes, I’d be freaking out, depressed, demoralized.
Today, finally, someone on their side addressed the funk. But Kaitlyn at the Abortion Gang blog called it “complacency.” Would that this were true. I wish. It would be great to think the other side is simply oblivious to our major advances. But I suspect what we’re really seeing is a “deer in the headlights” reaction. They’re overwhelmed.
Whatever, here’s Kaitlyn’s assessment of the situation, bold highlights hers. I’m omitting the ad hominem attacks…
For weeks there was a virtual onslaught of antichoice activity related to or coming directly out of every major social and cultural institution in the United States, reinforced by similar activities worldwide. Policy was being pushed through the state and federal level to put the rights of fetuses over the rights of women, to criminalize abortion in every way legally possible….
Institutionalized racism was playing an insidious role, calling the decisions of black and African American women to have abortions a “genocide” and also managing, somehow, to compare these choices to the historical horrors of slavery.
On top of these full frontal assaults, the anti-choice movement was also insidiously chipping away at the foundations of the women’s health movement….
These have not been the best of times.
Yet, for the last two weeks or so, I would put the number of terrifying stories and developments regarding women’s health and choice in this country at about average, which is to say, “quite a few, but not so many that it feels like an hourly onslaught from which we may never recover.” And that quiet is dangerous….
I’m calling this our Western Front. This is not the time for complacency – this is the time to evaluate the situation, assess our needs, re-group, and make decisions about how to move forward. I admit to taking a week off myself. I was exhausted and burned out, and the thought of staying angry seemed like it might require too much energy. But I slept in for a few days, had some coffee, and got back up to lace up my combat boots. I ask you to do the same. Because I assure you, the anti-choice movement, despite its protestations, is every bit as prepared and well-funded as we are, and in some cases, better prepared and better funded, and their roots in the religious structure of this nation go too deep to be untangled. In other words, whatever fights they lost this round, they will be back to fight again.
Of course we never have been and never will be as well-funded as pro-aborts are, they having abortion profits to spend. Nevertheless, at the end of her last paragraph Kaitlyn unknowingly paraphrased Scripture, which I’m sure would horrify her. And that is Proverbs 24:16, quoting the Message Translation:
No matter how many times you trip them up, God-loyal people don’t stay down long; Soon they’re up on their feet…
Kaitlyn will definitely not like the end of that verse:
… while the wicked end up flat on their faces.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I was exhausted and burned out, and the thought of staying angry seemed like it might require too much energy.
That is all they have. Anger. Oh, and lies. Puhlenty of lies.
Hmm, there’s a word that keeps popping up in my head. I must have heard it a lot lately:
WINNING!
Whenever a pro-abortion advocate uses the word fetus, the tone is exactly the same as if they used the n-word.
As far as the strange quiet is concerned — I agree with Jill and with Kaitlyn. It’s “deer in the headlights” time. The pro-aborts have gotten clobbered, and they haven’t figured out how to roll with the punch. They are struggling to absorb the fact that most Americans are not pro-abortion anymore. This new generation of young women are on the other side of the line.
The pro-aborts expected that the feminist freedom train would roll on forever. They did not expect the pendulum to reach its apex and roll back to traditional values.
The Culture of Death is a parasite. It cannot sustain itself; it has no children to pass its traditions down to. It must survive by poaching new members from the Culture of Life, like a parasite.
Meanwhile, the Culture of Life is learning to vaccinate itself against the infection…. our children are more strongly pro-life than we are! See the young crowds at March for Life. Look at Live Action.
The pro-abortion movement can not survive on anger alone much longer…. they need more passionate young people in their movement. Tens of thousands more.
Back in my own college days, Planned Parenthood was marketing itself as the antidote to oppressive parental control and oppressive conservative values. They are trying to keek it up now.
However, young people today are waking up to the fact that abortionists are using their bodies and all our wallets as money makers. They are waking up to the fact that it is not conservative people who make women into baby making machines (as a commenter said earlier today): it is the abortion industry that considers young women to be fetus manufacturers who then need abortions to cure that.
Is my uterus your ATM machine? No. And the youth don’t want to be used and abused like this. The abortion industry is now part of the dreaded establishment, to be rebelled against. Back in the 70’s, no one imagined the abortion statistics in the US and around the world would add up so high. Now, look at it. The numbers are almost incomrehensible.
We can all feel the change in the air. It’s not going to be easy to eradicate abortion in our world, but, to paraphrase Orwell, “the war is now coming within measurable distance of its end.” After decades, we can at last see that bright light of dawn on the horizon. It’s the dawn of a new era and the plague of abortion will be viewed as a very dark chapter in humanity’s long history. To the future!! Press on!
Amen Carla! I don’t think it’s that they’re too lazy…I think they’re wearing down and wearing out, as in “down for the count”.
It’s not complacency, it’s total exhaustion. It’s a complete depletion of their energy reserves.
They’re becoming as lifeless as the little baby corpses whose killing they advocate.
Like the Scripture says, “If God be for us, who can be against us?” “They that wait upon the Lord will renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint.”
And right there, that’s the difference. We have an unending, immeasurable reservoir of God’s grace.
Jesus is so good! His love… His mercy…
I wonder what happens when you wait upon satan? you renew your anger? hatred? you’ll slither around with scales like a snake? run and get very weary, walk and pass out?
You know, I admire the courage and passion of so many that are pro choice. What I mean is that many are well intentioned. They sincerely believe that it’s a women’s rights issue that needs defending, and they do so with great zeal.
What they don’t see, like all of us who have been deceived at one time or another, is that there is an unborn baby’s right that need to be fought for as well:
The Right to Life!
So c’mon pro choicers. Like Abbey Johnson, bring your passion and zeal over to God’s righteous cause. Become engaged in the battle for women’s rights and little girl’s rights and baby boy’s rights.
Join us in the fight for Life!
Ultrasound technologies show the humanity of the unborn as never before – what can they do to stop it?
Silent No More and Operation Outcry – are growing – are they going to tell women to shut up?
Hermit Gosnell – what can they do with that?
LiveAction – Planned Parenthood has been shown to be systemic in their support for predatory statutory rape – again and again – what can they do about that?
Phil Kline’s charges and Planned Parenthood’s cover-up and the stench of the Kansas Supreme Bench – what are they covering up? Planned Parenthood and it’s advocates are like an infectious sexually transmitted disease. Their credibility is only accepted by those who are so incredibly in denial about such poisonous effects that they look insane in their efforts to confront the truth.
The Culture of Death is consuming itself – and there isn’t a thing they can do about it.
There will be a day when the youth rise up and condemn those who killed their brothers and sisters – it’s already happening – as he winning entries to Students for Life shows.
I can’t wait for the day when Planned Parenthood, abortionists and their supporters are utterly and completely reviled.
That day is coming – many are beginning to understand the voracious demon that abortion feeds – and they don’t want any part of it.
98% of the public isn’t involved and caring about the subject on a day to day basis. If something big happens – actual legislation to ban abortions – then I think there will be some movement from the pro-choice side. I think the majority of people though see abortion as a given, and there won’t be much of a reaction to the back and forth legal tinkering that goes on.
“Institutionalized racism was playing an insidious role…”
Yes. Pro-lifers are institutionally racist because we want more black babies.
Wait…
Anyone think that they’re caught off guard because we’re stronger at the state level than they are? Pro-aborts have always been a relatively elite driven movement, that’s how they rammed in “Roe,” because they had doctor/lawyer activists and donors with deep pockets. Doesn’t translate as well at the grassroots level in individual states.
HA! You wish. You scream and squawk, disseminate your propaganda and lies and what happens? Some politicians nod gravely, tell you they’re on your side, that they’re ‘pro-life’ and will be working against abortion. And what happens? Real life. Too many other elements and impacts mean that anything anti-choice gets dropped off the agenda.
The provision in question says nothing in the bill “shall be construed to confer the status of ‘person’ upon a human embryo, fetus or unborn child at any state of development prior to live birth.”…
Ex-GOP is right in his summation of the situation.
And as for ‘the young people are joining the battle and committing to the cause’ – yep right, and then they go off to college, find themselves in a situation they aren’t prepared for and guess what. They are no longer members of your cause, not privately anyway.
About a century ago temperence societies operated in a manner not unlike yourselves. Those who consumed alcohol or supported the right of others to do so didn’t actually ‘match the battle’. Prohibition came into existence and gee, didn’t that go well. So alcohol was legalized again.
Keep telling yourselves you’re winning, just like the glassy-eyed glued to their seats at the one armed bandits.
HI Reality,
LOL
We are winning.
Please do keep telling yourself that Carla. And convince your cohorts too. It comforts me :-)
Will do, Reality.
Consider yourself comforted!!!!
If by cohorts you mean friends….my friends don’t need convincing. Not the ones that have been hurt by abortion. They know what I know.
Clobbered? Have I missed something? Has anything changed in anyway? Is it somehow more difficult for a woman to get an abortion if she wants?
Thank you Carla, I am more comforted every day knowing that your (all anti-choicers) little blitzkrieg will be repelled by the forces of right and justice.
By cohorts I meant all those in the anti-choice ‘movement’. I’m sure your friends don’t need convincing. After all, preaching to the converted gains nothing.
Hi reality! You alwas show up at the perfevt time. I was starting to get bored with all the logic and respect.
HA! You wish. You scream and squawk, disseminate your propaganda and lies and what happens?
You mean lies like “Abortion empowers women,” or “It’s not a baby,” or how we use the name “pro-choice” to make our movement sound more acceptable?
Oh wait, that’s you.
Are they in denial?
If the commenters here are anything to go by, it seems like the answer is yes.
You are on the wrong side of right and justice, Reality.
If you only knew…..
Ok, Reality, please enumerate exactly what “lies” the pro-life movement has told.
hal,
You’re one of those complacent pro-choicers we’re talking about. Read the pro-life news online and in the newspapers. Women and men are becoming more informed about the abortion industry and the help they can receive at PRC’s that will enable them to choose life for their babies. Pro-LIFE legislators are taking action in states that have long been pro-choice by default. (Thank you, legislators!) Change is everywhere. The tide’s a’ turnin’!
Hi Janet. Why would I be upset if “Women and men are becoming more informed about the abortion industry and the help they can receive at the PRC’s that will enable them to choose life for their babies?” That’s supposed to bother us? As long as abortion remains legal, I don’t care if there’s no market for it.
The statistics, legislation and history would indicate that I am on the right side Carla.
If only you could face the truth…..
That’d be a neap tide then Janet, just like Ex-GOP indicated.
hal,
I didn’t expect you to be upset; you asked what had changed. I mentioned it because so often pro-choicers accuse us pro-lifers of not caring about women and lying about the abortion industry. You must have heard the recent news that the abortion industry is trying to silence PRC’s in NYC. It makes no sense if they are truly FOR women and their ability to choose as they say they are.
As long as abortion remains legal, I don’t care if there’s no market for it.
How about “If there’s no market for it, I don’t care if it’s legal”. That makes more sense to me.
Why would you say that? For old times’ sake? If there’s no market for elective- abortion, it’s time to close the abortuaries, make it illegal so as not to encourage it, and spend federal funds on life-promoting healthcare instead of deathcare. Doctors were never meant to kill human life intentionally. This is where the abortion industry has gotten it wrong all along.
The truth that abortion kills preborn human babies and hurts women? Yeah. I believe we have covered that, Reality.
The truth that my abortion killed my daughter and hurt me deeply? Yeah. I have faced that truth.
I guess I am complacent I don’t see any changes happening that concern me. Things are likely to stay pretty much the same.
hal,
Good to hear. Enjoy your rest. :)
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That’d be a neap tide then Janet, just like Ex-GOP indicated.
Reality,
Hey, I learned a new word tonight. Thanks. I think you’re mistaken though. Ex-Gop is talking about reacting to a very high or very low-tide, not a small one (neap tide), metaphorically speaking.
What about the truth that abortion has always occured and always will. Or that the vast majority of women do not have negative outcomes and impacts. That it has preserved the quality of life of many and alleviated suffering for others.
People get injured or die in car accidents but we don’t ban cars and roads.
People get ill or die from alcohol but it doesn’t get banned (well, not successfully).
Drugs are created to cure illnesses and lessen symptoms, but some people abuse them and get ill or die. Shall we ban all pharma?
When the overall effect of something is more positive than negative, we retain it.
“IF something big happens” “legal tinkering that goes on.” – I think he meant that what’s currently occuring is small scale, hence neap.
“When the overall effect of something is more positive than negative, we retain it.”
Wow, you see abortion as more positive than negative? Your head is so deep into the pro-abort mentality I’m amazed that you can breathe.
I don’t think it’s controversial to say that legal abortion is more positive than negative.
hal, was legal abortion positive you? was it positive for your wife’s soul hal. was it positive for your baby that got killed? was it positive for your other son’s and daughters? was it positive for your parents? was it positive for your in-laws? Is legal abortion positive for making it easy to commit abortion?
souls?
Hal: “Clobbered? Have I missed something?”
Um… you are the perfect empiric evidence of what Jill is talking about. Thanks Hal, for the comic relief.
Hal,
You need to man up about the killing of your own baby and stop defending the indefensible. You were wrong and you need to repent of it. God is waiting for you; before you die with mercy, afterward with justice.
Go with mercy, Hal.
Go with Mercy.
The congressional legislation will be “aborted” in the Senate. The GOP ladies from Alaska and Maine are on our side. As far as state laws, they will probably pass – but women then will travel to the enlightened states (like mine) which allow women their reproductive freedom as beautifully stated by Rabbi Stein at the “Stand for Planned Parenthood rally, in Providence. We had about 200 folks. The anti-aborts who demonstrated in front of Rep. Cicilline’s office had about 50. (Funny, they didn’t demonstrate in front of Jim Langevin’s office and he voted against the PP de-funding)
And interestingly, the conservative “Club for Growth’s” Grover Norquist opposes the House legislation which will be, essentially, a tax increase for private insurers, vis-a-vis abortion, in the new health care exchanges. And Mayor Bloomberg just signed, into law, the new restrictions on CPC’s. As far as anti-choice legislation north of Pennsylvania, forget about it. Same goes for the west coast and Colorado. Personhood amendment – maybe in the bible belt but so not for Colorado. So “steamrolling” – I don’t think so!
And “God is waiting for you” – this is the kind of comment that just underscores why those who are “Pro-life” are considered religious zealots by the reality based community – including some communties of faith. Oh, right, they’re not really religious. I know because that’s what folks here say all the time. The only “true” faith is one that condemns abortion. Right…Should there be any question as to why the anti-choice is considered a loud but irrelevent group of religious wing-nuts?
State legislatures in the more backwater states are always trying to pass anti-abortion legislation, and most of it gets struck down for its blatant unconstitutionality. If a slight uptick in this kind of legislation following a particularly bad election year for Democrats is cause for celebration in your movement, then by all means, have at it and enjoy your great victory.
Maybe there like the teenagers who have really good parents and when there parents leave the house they throw a party and the house gets thrashed and then the good parents get home and there (planned parenthood) are feeling a little sheepish. I really believe some of them had some type of moral compass but lost it in their educational process. And of course there are those who knew exactly what there were doing.
Joan
Sorry Joan that life brings you such grief that you lack the capacity to want others to have the same opportunity that you were given to live.
Reality: What about the truth that abortion has always occured and always will. Or that the vast majority of women do not have negative outcomes and impacts. That it has preserved the quality of life of many and alleviated suffering for others.
Hal: I don’t think it’s controversial to say that legal abortion is more positive than negative.
Murder has always occurred and always will, as well. People who commit murder only have “negative outcomes and impacts” because we typically imprison those who commit the crime. But – what if somebody chooses to murder a “parasite” – a “drain on society?” I’m sure many would make the case that homeless people who don’t have families wouldn’t be “missed” much by society. Why, in San Francisco, they’ve even made it illegal to sit or lay on the sidewalks (how dare “they” try to sit on “OUR” public sidewalks!!). Who has been targeted by such a law? Those who are viewed as nuisances to society, that’s who. Where’s the law starting new homeless shelters paid for by the city? Nope, just an ordinance saying “you people need to go someplace else.” So – what if people start killing off the homeless in the name of “preserving society?”
Are people who are murdered without anyone to mourn for them of less value than those who are loved and viewed as contributors to our culture?
If the solution is to kill off humans, and it’s “more positive than negative” to remove unwanted life from those who do not wish to be bothered, then why not promote euthanasia for the homeless?
Gerard, If I did something wrong, I might regret it, but I would never “repent.”( as I think you are using the word).
“Gerard, If I did something wrong, I might regret it, but I would never “repent.”( as I think you are using the word).”
And that is how we define Clinical Narcissism, Hal. Thanks for coming in for Show and Tell today.
Class dismissed.
Not so fast Professor, as the Narcissist, I decide when class is over.
As the narcissist, you sit in an empty room by yourself.
trutherseeker asked: hal, was your wife’s abortion good for her soul?
hal responded: “souls?”
hal, Do you have doubt or questions about wether or not abortion is good for a person’s soul?
I have doubt or questions about whether a “soul” is a meaningful word.
hal,
Your own soul makes you the unique individual that you are, created and loved by God, valued more than all material and worldly things, through thick and thin, sin and death and beyond. (That’s not the official theological answer, by the way, just my own thoughts.) I pray that you can open your heart and mind at least to the possibility that you have a loving Father outside the material realm of this world. I hope to be in heaven one day and I would love to meet you there! God bless.
hal said. I have doubt or questions about whether a “soul” is a meaningful word.
hal, for this dialogue lets define the word “soul” as a living being’s existence outside of the physical realm. That being the case you could say to me that you do not believe your wife has a soul. But “soul” still has a meaning. Do you believe your wife has a soul?
Janet, I appreciate your kind thoughts. We’ll just leave it at that.
Truthseeker, I honestly don’t understand what you’re saying. But I think the answer is “no,” I do not believe anyone has a “soul.”
Hal, LOL!! Okay, you get the last word.
Thanks Gerard. I don’t really have anything to add, was just trying to make a joke.
Have a great day.
hal, most people do believe in ensoulment. The beliefs can vary from considering a friend to be a soulmate all the way to believing in life beyond the death of our flesh. That does explain why are not conscious of any of the negative spiritual consequences that killing your child has had upon the soul of your wife. It also could be why you are unable to see that society’s legalizing the killing of your child has had a negative consequence on your conscience and has promoted disrespect for the value of all human life.
Maybe hal is right; maybe he has no soul. Lol!
I think that I like Hal, the Friendly Troll. I hope he comes back.
Hal wrote: Clobbered? Have I missed something? Has anything changed in anyway? Is it somehow more difficult for a woman to get an abortion if she wants?
The abortion industry is getting clobbered. It will be very hard for them to profiteer by exploiting desperate women. They are losing many state subsidies, and maybe the big federal subsidy. In many states, they will have to comply with health standards befitting all health clinics. They have to rent a big bus, paint it Pepto-Bismol pink and pay staffers to come out and “protest,” in hope of keeping just some of their tax subsidies.
Del, I would suggest that the abortion side can’t roll with the punch because bullies never expect to get hit back. They just stand there, dumbfounded.
Reality, you really ought to get a new tag, once you go and read some real history.
Prohibition was not about forcing people to stop drinking booze, it was about getting married men to stop wasting money on booze and time on hookers. And in that, it worked magically.
And please, drop Capone. Most states were already dry when the 19th Amendment got passed (And just how does one do THAT I might ask, oh, yeah 2/3 of state legislatures must pass it), and when FDR agreed to the 21st, drinking ages were only one of the compromises we needed to get it done. And states are still permitted to go dry if they like, as many counties do.
Abortion though, was not voted on. I wonder why…
And could you please explain your metaphor, I don’t see the connection between fighting abortion and PP funding and gambling.
The statistics, legislation and history would indicate that I am on the right side
Reality,
Which statistics would those be, the ones that indicate that after Roe abortion sky-rocketed, despite feminism’s claims that it would always be rare because only the unwanted would be aborted? Or the ones that show that child abuse and child molesting are also up, despite the same pro-abortion claims?
And which legislation is that, Roe v Wade? Oh wait, nevermind?
Or which history is that, the one where Christians convinced Romans that exposure was evil? Or the one where American states outlawed abortion, nationwide, before the end of the 18th Century, because Christians convinced people that it was evil? Or the one where abortion supporters claimed that everyone would be happier when abortion made certain that only WANTED babies got born? Or the one where abortion is supposedly safer than childbirth and yet women are still harmed by scum like Gosnell (When was the last time a pediatrician hurt a patient and covered it up?)?
As far as the soul goes, I’m more persuaded by serious students of the Bible that humans don’t have a soul. They are souls. As in so many souls lost on the Titanic.
God breathed into the nostrils of Adam (mouth-to-nose respiration) and he became a living soul. In other words (i.e.) he was a non-living soul.
When Christ died He didn’t give His soul into the Father’s hands, but His spirit (breath – but also, as we might understand it, a “recording” of His life) So when they said in the ’60’s that “God Is Dead”, they were half-right, without knowing it. God the Son was dead for three days and three nights.
That’s why Resurrection and resurrection was and is needed.
It’s a mind-boggling concept, I know. But what isn’t when you get right down to it? And it’s certainly a minority opinion in Christendom. But it is so different from the other faiths that I think it qualifies for “narrow is the way to the Kingdom, and few there are who find it.”
Just a few theological ruminations. It is Sunday, after all.
That’s a fail Kellady. Comparing abortion with murder is fallacious. Abortion is like modern surgical and medical procedures in that they are a step forward and positive.
“then why not promote euthanasia for the homeless?” – euthanasia is also about personal choice. It’s not up to me or you to decide if its appropriate for the homeless, its up to them.
There is no such thing as a ‘soul’. Emotions, yes. Thoughts, yes. Feelings, yes. A combination of these, yes. But not a ‘soul’.
“Or the one where abortion is supposedly safer than childbirth and yet women are still harmed by scum like Gosnell” – so lock scum like Gosnell up. That doesn’t change the fact that abortion is much safer than childbirth.
Reality, the fact is that abstinence is much safer than promiscuity so according to your logic I guess people should refrain from sex too in order to avoid the need to commit abortions.
It’s safer to not cross the road. It’s safer to only eat a small range of basic foods and not consume alcohol.
People have sex because it’s a pleasurable activity which can also demonstrate love for others.
Abstinence fails.
Your assessment of my logic is confused, intentionally misinterpretive, or both.
Abstinence fails.
Reality, that is news to me. How many people do you know who abstained from having sex in order to keep from getting pregnant but the abstinense failed and they ”got” pregnant anyway?
That’s a fail Kellady. Comparing abortion with murder is fallacious. Abortion is like modern surgical and medical procedures in that they are a step forward and positive.
You’ve given me absolutely zero evidence that abortion does not take human life. Do most “modern surgical and medical procedures” that you know of deliberately end or remove human life? I’d say any “surgery” with the express purpose of eliminating human life would be a negative. So, you can keep talking about how ‘fallacious” it all is, but the only one you’re convincing is yourself.
Abortion is promoted in this country, according to you, as a “positive.” What’s to stop the medical community from promoting euthanasia as a “positive?”
abortion is much safer than childbirth.
You’re forgetting that the child (in “childbirth”) is most certainly not safe during an abortion. I wonder if you have an honest bone in your body, “reality.” You have chosen to ignore that there are at least 2 human lives involved in an abortion.
HA! Whoopsie, my abstinence failed me. Oh, nope, wait, it was my LACK of abstinence that failed me and caused me to become pregnant! Hmm.
Hey, guess what? If you don’t abstain from sex, YOU’RE NOT PRACTICING ABSTINENCE.
You’ve given me absolutely zero evidence that abortion is murder.
“If you don’t abstain from sex, YOU’RE NOT PRACTICING ABSTINENCE.” – well said Kellady. It fails because people don’t adhere to it. Its a false hope.
As truthseeker said “but the abstinense failed and they ”got” pregnant anyway”
Fantasy, just hit your snooze alarm and go back to sleep.
You’ve given me absolutely zero evidence that abortion is murder.
What does an abortion do, Reality? What is an abortion? What is its purpose?
Abstinence isn’t a false hope for those who practice it. It’s a matter of self-control. You know, like NOT eating the entire chocolate cake instead of just one slice? Why do we expect people to abstain from driving drunk or abstain from eating the whole fridge at once? Self. Control.
Reality,
People who claim to practice abstinence while having sexual relations do not get pregnant because abstinence fails; they get pregnant because they fail to practice abstinence. See the difference? No different then people who will say they quit drinking while they are sitting at a bar doing shots. It takes a very liberal mind sit at a bar and say you quit drinking alcohol but still drink alcohol. These people do not abstain from harmful behaviours, but rather these people deceive themselves with liberal mind-bending illogic and live outside of reality Reality.
I think that I like Hal, the Friendly Troll. I hope he comes back.
Hal wrote: Clobbered? Have I missed something? Has anything changed in anyway? Is it somehow more difficult for a woman to get an abortion if she wants?
The abortion industry is getting clobbered. It will be very hard for them to profiteer by exploiting desperate women. They are losing many state subsidies, and maybe the big federal subsidy. In many states, they will have to comply with health standards befitting all health clinics. They have to rent a big bus, paint it Pepto-Bismol pink and pay staffers to come out and “protest,” in hope of keeping just some of their tax subsidies.
I don’t care if the “abortion industry” gets clobbered, i.e., loses state and federal funding. I don’t care if they have to comply with basic health standards. In fact, that sounds like a good idea. I don’t have a beef with giving “desperate women” all kinds of options to abortion. Maybe that’s why I’m the “friendly troll.” I do think, however, that private health insurers should be able to offer abortion coverage if they want. And, of course, I think abortion should be legal.
hal,
(I still have a hard time believing you aborted two of your chilldren -whether you did or not, I’m assuming you won’t be aborting any more…)
Legal abortion. What’s in it for you?
Reality,
Your assessment of my logic is confused
You are not using logic, but simply tired, worn out lies. It is not possible to accidentally pregnant if one is abstinent. There is no more effective or safer way to prevent both babies and aborted babies.
And abortion is not “like a modern medical procedure, it is one, which sadly is not in the least little bit modern. Unless, that is, you consider drawing and quartering modern.
And abortion is safer for only two thirds of those who are involved, the doctor and the patient survive (Usually). The voiceless infant dies (Usually).
‘Tis a pity one like you thinks himself smart, but proves otherwise.
-Kevin
I don’t want to waste too much of my time with this, but I have a proposition.
Instead of wasting your time fighting each other, why don’t you all go and help an orphan? Donate toys and time to an orphanage. Adopt a kid or be a foster parent.
Until there are no more orphans, and every kid has a home, I will support a woman’s right to decide if she wants a baby or not. However I will say this:
When all orphans have a loving home, I will become anti-abortion.
Quit flaming each other and go help someone. Do something that makes OTHER people feel better, instead of picking each others’ posts apart to make yourself feel smart. Get off the computer and volunteer at your local boys and girls club. I don’t want to hear, “I already do all that, have 4 adopted kids, 2 foster children and am a big brother/sister!” because until all of your friends and family, and all of THEIR friends and family are doing it, there will still be unloved, unsupported children out there.
Zak, are you a foster parent? Adoptive parent? If so, wonderful! You know, I think adoption reform is very much needed. It needs to be less expensive ($30,000 for a foreign adoption and half to 3/4 of that for domestic adoptions) for many of us to be able to adopt children we would love to welcome into our homes. I know many pro-lifers who are foster parents and adoptive parents. They are my heroes.
But for you to say you think these children deserve homes and then say others deserve to die – well, it really doesn’t make any sense to me, Zak. Why do you worry about “unloved, unsupported children out there” when you believe we as a society should have the right to kill them before birth? Is a child in the womb less worthy of love or protection than a child who is already born?
The fact that abortion is accepted in our society seems to have led us to a mentality of “I want what I want when I want it” and that includes children. We feel we have a “right” to dead children. That’s what abortion is, Zak. A woman has a right to go and buy herself some birth control at the corner drugstore. But once she has conceived a child, that child should not be killed merely for existing. And Zak, that child does exist. It is already alive and human.
Abortion does not make fewer orphans. Abortion just kills them before they take a breath.
“hal,
(I still have a hard time believing you aborted two of your chilldren -whether you did or not, I’m assuming you won’t be aborting any more…)
Legal abortion. What’s in it for you?”
Nothing personal. I’m fighting for the rights of others, just like you.
Hal
Nothing personal. I’m fighting for the rights of others, just like you.
Hoping the spring helps your heart to thaw and realize afresh that life although not perfect is still a good thing.