(Prolifer)ations 4-8-11
by Susie Allen, host of the blog, Pro-Life in TN
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- Ethika Politika has a piece on “why you can’t be pro-life and pro-contraception.”
- One of our new blog additions, Abortion State, has the story on a botched abortion at a WA Planned Parenthood in March. This is not the first time this PP clinic has had trouble – they recently were under fire for employing a quack doctor and unlicensed “nurses.” Hear the 911 call:
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- Mommy Life reports the TX House of Representatives rerouted $61M in family planning money to other programs which do not promote abortion. Congratulations to TX Right to Life, who spearheaded this effort to defund the abortion industry in TX.
- MN Citizens Concerned for Life writes about a just-released report from the MN Dept. of Human Services, showing nearly 32% of all abortions performed in the state were paid for by taxpayers – a $1.58M price tag.
- ProWomanProLife spotlights Heroic Media, “a faith-based company that promotes alternatives to abortion through mass media….”
- Moral Outcry wonders why the government would seek to save the lives of youth by banning menthol cigarettes, but continue to promote death via abortion.
- Another new addition to the blog roll, Hear Their Cries, announces Samaritan Ministries International’s plan to establish “full-service, charitable maternity hospitals in major cities, with the first one operating by the end of 2012.” This would be an alternative to government aid:
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Ethika Politika’s piece on abortion and contraception reminds me of the Book of James:
“You want what you don’t have, so you scheme and kill to get it… Yet you don’t have what you want because you don’t ask God for it. And even wen you ask, you don’t get it because your motives are all wrong — you want only what will give you pleasure.” James 4:2-3, ESV
As a pro-lifer who also believes in birth control, I have a few problems with the Ethika Politika piece. I do not believe in abortifacient birth control, but I do believe, especially within a marriage, if a couple uses birth control, they should realize it is not 100% effective and understands that a baby is always welcome, even when not planned. My husband and I use birth control, but we know that a baby is ALWAYS possible. Neither one of us believes in abortion (and my husband is a vegetarian atheist Jewish man)….The problem with the religious pro-life movement is that it demands that ALL pro-lifers agree on ALL POINTS. The only point that needs agreement is “AN UNBORN BABY IS A BABY AND HAS THE RIGHT TO LIVE.” Period. Birth control, homosexuality, etc…..Please, please stop demanding we ALL live exactly like you. It is damaging to the movement.
Contraception is NOT the cause of abortion. The cause of abortion is greed and selfishness. The cause of abortion is the lack of support provided to women in crisis pregnancies (mostly because of the pro-abort lobby)…..Women seek abortion not because contraceptives fail, but because they are told that having a baby will destroy their lives. It’s okay to do what you can to avoid getting pregnant……but it’s NOT okay to believe you can destroy a person who is already conceived. I understand why the religious pro-life community feels contraception is evil; but many of us do NOT agree, and are JUST AS PRO-LIFE.
Is it just me or does this place look like its situationed in a lower income neighborhood? No doubt to better help low income women.
Was the woman bleeding because of a mammogram?
I can’t be pro-life and pro-contraception? Huh. . .guess I’d better ask for a refund of all the money I’ve poured into the cause, and maybe I can retract my votes for pro-life politicians. . .I don’t like being pro-choice, but since the writer of the article seems so sure I can’t possibly be pro-life, he MUST be right. What a shame. . .but wait. . .does this mean I have to watch MSNBC now? . . .oh snap!
Seriously though, I gotta go with Mary Lee on this one. Excluding abortifacient birth control, contraception doesn’t cause abortion. Selfishness, fear, and misinformation causes abortion. To say otherwise is not only disingenuous, it’s laughably ridiculous.
I understand why the religious pro-life community feels contraception is evil; but many of us do NOT agree, and are JUST AS PRO-LIFE.
I agree 100 percent!
Anyway, I am thrilled about the Morning Centers, especially since so many big city hospitals are closing their maternity wards. What a wonderful idea!
Mary Lee 4:14 – thank you for that post – it’s very insightful.
Jill, thanks for the mention…I stumbled upon it while taking your great story about the 1200 health clinics in US…
Lucy @ http://heartheircries.blogspot.com/
And just to clarify, I have issues with abortifacient contraception in a BIG way – but I do not have issues with barrier methods or NFP. However, I’ve known so many women who got pregnant (and stayed pregnant) while on the Pill, that I wonder if it even truly functions as an abortifacient whatsoever. I am against the Pill more for the fact that it’s totally, completely unnatural and wreaks havoc with a woman’s natural reproductive system. I’ve seen it really mess people up. It messed me up when I took it as a young married for 2 years. Then I researched it and decided we were absolutely DONE with that.
I certainly do NOT think you have to be against all contraception in order to be pro-life. And I don’t think contraception should be made illegal – though the hormonal kinds should come with BIG warning labels. I believe, though, each person has to decide for themselves whether or not to use contraception. And they should be prepared, if it fails, to give birth to a child.
MMM. contraception might be bad if you are signed onto the Catholic logical view. If you are not, which many people aren’t, there are whole different logic approaches to human dignity, worth, and building a family.
Protestants have very distinct approaches to reading the Bible and ethics, that are different, but not formless. A Catholic ethicist might not be able to “see” how it works, rather like seeing a yellow flower in normal light, than a UV spectacular landing strip, as a bee would see it. I know it took over a year of attending mass and reading books to even begin to understand the notion of “seamless garment” of the culture of life. I just thought being against capital punishment was wishy- washy emotionalism. I know I sound monstrously hypocritical for being “pro- innocent”- save the infants, fry the monsters, while the liberal notion is “kill the fetus, but spare the killer”- which is built around judging who is human and sentient, not who is human of moral worth.I’m guessing on the liberal approach. I’m still thinking it’s fuzzy logic.
The problem with the religious pro-life movement is that it demands that ALL pro-lifers agree on ALL POINTS. The only point that needs agreement is “AN UNBORN BABY IS A BABY AND HAS THE RIGHT TO LIVE.” Period. Birth control, homosexuality, etc…..Please, please stop demanding we ALL live exactly like you. It is damaging to the movement.
*massive applause*
The problem with the religious pro-life movement is that it demands that ALL pro-lifers agree on ALL POINTS. The only point that needs agreement is “AN UNBORN BABY IS A BABY AND HAS THE RIGHT TO LIVE.” Period. Birth control, homosexuality, etc…..Please, please stop demanding we ALL live exactly like you. It is damaging to the movement.
AMEN!!!
I have been accused, on this very site, of not being pro-life because I won’t sign on to the gay hatred bandwagon. I honestly think that the “Christians-only” mentality of the pro-life movement keeps a lot of folks from actively participating. I know that I would be more eager to speak out and take part in pro life activities if I didn’t feel that by beliefs that have NOTHING to do with abortion weren’t on attack.
That should say “my belief,” not “by beliefs.”
Just wanted to pop in here really quick because I saw something this week that I thought might interest people here. It’s a collection of lullabies called Sweet Water Child, and all proceeds go to research to find a cure for Spinal Muscular Atrophy, which is apparently the #1 killer genetic killer of babies. Apparently, one in 40 people unknowingly carries the gene for SMA. And apparently, the National Institute of Health lists SMA as the neurological disorder closest to having a treatment found. (I did not know any of this before hearing about the CD!) Basically, a couple in Brooklyn were writing a CD of lullabies, when through friends and blogs and through a little baby named Getty they learned about SMA; and they decided to dedicate the album to that cause.
Here is a basic overview: http://www.coolmompicks.com/2011/04/sweet_water_child_lullabies_for_getty_cd.php
This isn’t directly related to abortion, but genetic problems come up on this site a lot, so I thought people here might be interested! You can buy the album on iTunes.
I know that I would be more eager to speak out and take part in pro life activities if I didn’t feel that by beliefs that have NOTHING to do with abortion weren’t on attack.
Len, There are some of us who believe that there are other issues that do have SOMETHING to do with abortion but I haven’t seen anyone here demand you ALL live just like us. It wasn’t all that long ago that I thought just like you.
However, I will never use the fact that you disagree with me as an excuse to hold me back from doing everything possible to save preborn humans from death. I’m sorry that you let other prolifers decide how much you should be doing to save humans from death.
Praxedes,
I am extrememly active in and donate money regularly to charities and organizations that help the homeless in my community. It is a large problem where I live and I’ve been active in these charities for quite some time.
A couple years back I felt drawn to the pro life cause. I felt like there was a place for me here, as someone who was faced with a crisis pregnancy at a very young age who kept her child and went on to complete a master’s degree and acheive a successul career. I was pro-choice for many, many years, one of those “I would never have an abortion, but it should remain legal for others” types, but changed my mind completely after considering scientific fact. It wasn’t long before I started to feel that I was being criticized and attacked for beliefs I held not pertaining to abortion. Not just here, where it happened fairly frequently by very regular posters, but at local meetings and events I attended.
Eventually I felt it was best if I returned my focus to my work with the local homeless. I am more comfortable there and I don’t face criticism for unrelated beliefs I might hold. I don’t feel that my work with these people is less important than pro-life activisim, though I am sure that most here would disagree with me.
I apologize if my work isn’t good enough for you and I don’t do enough for the pro-life cause to please you, Praxedes.
Oh, and to your comment “I haven’t seen anyone here demand you ALL live just like us.” I was, in fact, told that if I was not willing to accept that I supported a “culture of death” by comdemning homosexuals then I was not truly pro-life.
I apologize if my work isn’t good enough for you and I don’t do enough for the pro-life cause to please you, Praxedes.
You are the one who stated that you hold back from prolife work because of others’ beliefs. No need to apologize to me – the odds of my being aborted are slim.
by comdemning homosexuals
I do not believe any regular prolifer here has ever condemned homosexuals. If you can find a previous statement, I owe you an apology.
All of these acts of rebellion have one source, the father of lies, Satan himself, who attempts to take everything God does and pervert it.
The only thing these actions do is join us to Satan and his will thereby joining us also to his eternal destiny, – This is a direct quote from a regular commenter on Jill’s blog regarding homosexuality. If that is not condemnation, then I don’t know what is.
It is not normal. It is aberrant and deviant. – Another quote from a regular poster. Not necessarily a condemnation, but a pretty hateful opinion nonetheless.
I don’t have time to search the archives further right now because I have to go to work. I won’t be able to be online for awhile so I am not naming the commentors attributed to the above posts because i am not going to be able to respond to a debate or argument about homosexuality. You can search the archives if you’d like to know which regular posters here said them.
The comments you found do not condemn homosexuals but only their behaviors. If the exact same comments were said about the choice to abort, would you have a problem with them?
i am not going to be able to respond to a debate or argument about homosexuality.
Who started the debate or argument about homosexuality on this thread?
You can search the archives if you’d like to know which regular posters here said them.
I never made this claim in the first place. You made the accusation, you back it up. Otherwise, I respectfully request you to stop playing the victim.
contraception does HAVE SOME connections…..the mentality that a child is not a blessing, but a curse. That a child MUST be perfectly planned or it may interfere with someone’s lifestyle. We have a ~40-50%+ divorce rate in this country…and I can bet that it wasn’t that high BEFORE the pill was invented, giving the chance for men to use women (and sometimes vice versa) as objects. Big families weren’t too uncommon 60 years ago but now if you have more than 2.1 children, you’re scoffed at. Its a mentality that the two purposes of sex MUST be separated….creation of new life and bonding. That’s one thing that leads to abortion and disrespect for life.
but now if you have more than 2.1 children, you’re scoffed at.
by our President no less. Ugh.