The Onion: “Planned Parenthood opens $8 billion Abortionplex”
UPDATE, 1p: Andy Moore of Star Studded Super Step spotted this:
Wrote Andy, “In New Zealand, Auckland Pro-Choice is a group formed in response to the sterling work of the just-turned 1yo Pro-Life Auckland. This group certainly seems to really love abortion.”
12:03: The Onion is a parody news source that sometimes takes on abortion (examples here and here), which is always interesting.
An equal opportunity lampooner, The Onion yesterday took jabs at both pro-lifers and the abortion industry in a piece, “Planned Parenthood opens $8 billion Abortionplex.”
Much of the parody was aimed against pro-life talking points and in subliminal support of PP’s false talkers, for instance:
PP president Cecile Richards told reporters that the new state-of-the-art fetus-killing facility located in the nation’s heartland offers quick, easy, in-and-out abortions to all women, and represents a bold reinvention of the group’s long-standing mission and values.
“Although we’ve traditionally dedicated 97% of our resources to other important services such as contraception distribution, cancer screening, and STD testing, this new complex allows us to devote our full attention to what has always been our true passion: abortion,” said Richards, standing under a banner emblazoned with PP’s new slogan, “No Life Is Sacred.” “And since Congress voted to retain our federal funding, it’s going to be that much easier for us to maximize the number of tiny, beating hearts we stop every day.”
Still, humor is often based on truth, so I’m sure this will be one piece Cecile doesn’t retweet. Click to enlarge…
True confession: Although I winced pretty much all though this article, there were a few times I did laugh. This tells me I have the propensity to become jaded, a little wake-up call. That said, I do wonder how pro-aborts will take it.
Thoughts?
[HT: Tom P.]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Though there were clearly some jabs at pro-lifers, I think if the piece was merely directed at the pro-life movement it would have been done differently. I read the piece as more of a satire of the abortion industry, as it lampooned the kinds of talking points and methods Planned Parenthood uses to make abortion seem innocuous and mainstream. The diagram of the complex’s architectural layout is definitely targeting the abortion business: the pet adoption room and the daycare are clear jabs at the pro-choice crowd.
as a prochoice person i find (what you’ve posted of) this article to be funny. (and i’m guessing i’d find the rest of the article funny as well.)
That last diagram – wow. If that’s not an illustration of proabort hypocrisy and contradiction, nothing is. Do you think they know how close to the truth they’ve come? I’m actually shocked the Onion would even publish it.
I read the piece as more of a satire of the abortion industry, as it lampooned the kinds of talking points and methods Planned Parenthood uses to make abortion seem innocuous and mainstream. The diagram of the complex’s architectural layout is definitely targeting the abortion business: the pet adoption room and the daycare are clear jabs at the pro-choice crowd.
Yes, this, exactly. I read the article yesterday in full at the Onion, and I was really surprised by what I read.
From the parody article: “The 900,000-square-foot facility has more than 2,000 rooms dedicated to the abortion procedure. The abundance of surgical space, Richards said, will ensure that women visiting the facility can be quickly fitted into stirrups without pausing to second-guess their decision or consider alternatives such as adoption. Hundreds of on-site counselors are also available to meet with clients free of charge and go over the many ways that carrying a child to term will burden them and very likely ruin their lives.”
I think my jaw hit the floor when I read this.
The diagram looks like the one they built in Houston. ;)
the first time i saw this article , it was posted on fb by a pro-life fb page . it took me a few seconds before i realized it was from the onion . it was posted like any other article . i wondered why they were posting it .
Shhhhh!! No one tell Cecile Richards about this – she would probably think it’s a great idea.
I think this is a great piece that uses to humor to illustrate the absurdity of the abortion industry. Way to go, Onion.
This piece is a window into Cecile Richards’ mind.
My favorite part is the animal adoption center: “allows women the opportunity to give a loving home to an unwanted dog or cat” — pro-choice people love replacing children with animals
Agreed, I LOL’d “Adoption Center.”
I’m okay with parody. Abortion crowds best defense is silence. If the poke fun both way, fine. The more it’s talked about, in a good light or bad light, the better.
Your opinions on the piece are quite interesting! I’m encouraged by your perspective.
I can’t imagine that it bodes well for a movement when its rhetoric is almost, word-for-word, identical to something published by The Onion.
Ahahahaha! That’s my reaction. “If we could illustrate the pro-choice mindset, this is what it would look like as a building.”
I liked the Grove of Reflection. :)
Does the health control law pay for valet parking at Planned Parenthood? And how would such an incinerator meet EPA standards?
I don’t think they’d have any trouble finding clergy for their chapel “to persuade women to abort their children the way God intended.” Sadly.
Ahahahaha! That’s my reaction. “If we could illustrate the pro-choice mindset, this is what it would look like as a building.”
True.
I can’t imagine that it bodes well for a movement when its rhetoric is almost, word-for-word, identical to something published by The Onion.
Gosh, that’s funny. Because the rhetoric I see in the Onion article is actual stuff I’ve seen pro-“choicers” post on THIS VERY COMMENT BOARD. :D
How do you not all see that this is poking fun at the way pro-lifers imagine Planned Parenthood to be?
This is a parody of pro-lifers, not pro-choicers. it’s hilarious that you can’t see that
The truth is often said in jest.
I think it’s brilliant. Momma always said, “God can write straight with a crooked line.” Or was that Mother Angelica?
Lol!!
The Onion rules. I remember an all-conqueringly funny one from 1999 about somebody converting to Islam.
I think this is the way anti-choicers actually see PP. I did not see a single jab at PP at all. It looked like they were laughing at you guys and your ignorance of how PP actually runs. When you guys demonize PP the way you do this is the picture you paint and it is obviously inaccurate. I know I know… Abby Johnson, Abby Johnson, Abby Johnson…. One disgruntled employee out of thousands decides she can buy a new house if she writes a book pandering to the anti-choice movement… If she is not a liar then where are all the other whistle blowers? Where are all the other ex-employees who disagree with what PP’s mission?
Ah who cares the whole world ends Saturday anyway….
Kel – My personal opinions about life and it meaning are not that of the Pro-choice movement. They are mine alone. I do agree with the Pro-choice movement but they do not always share my views on life.
Do tell, biggz.
Hey Jill here in Portland Oregon we have a new abortuary that opened on MLK by Planned Parenthood. It actually has a daycare center inside. You can also drive around town and see city buses and the MAX train with Planned Parenthood advertising on them that have women holding signs saying “I’ll get fat”, “I want to finish school” etc. etc. about how abortion is best. When the MLK killing center had it’s groundbreaking they had 2 or 3 “clergy” there giving PP their “blessing”. This is not really that far fetched…
Biggz writes: “One disgruntled employee out of thousands decides she can buy a new house if she writes a book pandering to the anti-choice movement… If she is not a liar then where are all the other whistle blowers? Where are all the other ex-employees who disagree with what PP’s mission?”
Here you go:
Meet the Abortion Providers
Need more? The Inside Story
HT Jim Sable, who first brought these links to my attn here.
Why is your comment addressed to me, Biggz?
http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-6235-planned_parenthood_finally_breaks_ground_on_new_ml.html
Here’s an article from a neutral source about the “daycare” center in the PP building.
I think this is the way anti-choicers actually see PP. I did not see a single jab at PP at all. It looked like they were laughing at you guys and your ignorance of how PP actually runs.
Oh, I’m pretty sure most of us don’t believe PP has a “grotto of reflection,” and we all know young children are typically not allowed on the premises. You think the kids’ playground was supposed to reflect pro-lifers’ view of PP? Really? :D
And isn’t it funny how they referenced how much better the abortive women’s lives would be once they aborted their children (which is prochoice rhetoric)? Isn’t it funny how prochoicers are so often pro-animal rights and anti-unborn human rights? Yeah. I’m sure they were laughing at us with additions like those in their diagram.
Joselyn, what’s the name of the abortuary?
Oh, sorry – you were saying the PP itself has a daycare? Thanks for the link.
Thanks, Joselyn. Already broadcasting that link.
“You can also drive around town and see city buses and the MAX train with Planned Parenthood advertising on them that have women holding signs saying “I’ll get fat”, “I want to finish school” etc. etc. about how abortion is best.”
–This is hard to believe. Show up with pictures, and I will believe PP has a public promotion campaign including a woman holding a sign, “I’ll get fat” as a reason for an abortion.
Show up with that pic, and I will donate $100 to the Crisis Pregnancy Center of your choice.
Joselyn you are wrong. The new PP building on MLK in Portland does NOT have a daycare. It never has.
You are ~mistaken~ those ads are government ads for contraception
http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/toddmecklem/5113409118/
Ok Mike I was mistaken but I’m not a “fool”. Thanks
Biggz, read the article…
Joselyn and Jill Stanek-
Biggz is correct. That article from the Willamette Week is almost 3 years old, the building has been up and running for a long time now, and there is no daycare on site.
Why would you have a problem if there WAS a daycare on site? Are you so anti-child that you believe that women with children shouldn’t be able to have their children watched while they receive STD testing, contraception counseling, abortion services, or any other standard gynecological health care?
Joselyn – You’re wrong. I read the article. I was also at the grand opening of that building. That is where my daughter and wife get their birth control. We are PP supporters. That article was written 6 months before the building opened. There has never been a daycare in that building.
Who called you a fool?
Kel – You’re wrong. Children are welcome at PP. The last time I was in there the ladies working behind the counter gave 3 children heart and star stickers to put on their cheeks and coloring books and crayons. Also there were Dr. Seuss books in the waiting room…
Before you guys start talking about PP you might want to go in one and see what they are like for real.
Are we so anti-child???
Hilarious, Mike!! You come to a prolife blog to ask if we are so anti-child…??
LOL
I just talked to a friend who works at that Portland clinic. She said the confusion comes from this… That building has 4 commercial rental spaces in the front of the building and long before that building opened there was talk about an independent daycare renting one of those spaces. It never happened. As of today, two of those spaces have been rented by two private doctors. So there you go.
No Mike they are not anti-child… They are anti-women’s rights. They want to oppress women.
Oh my stars…..stop!!
I am laughing so hard my sides ache!
I believe in a woman’s right to be born.
“Abortion services.” THAT makes me laugh (if it weren’t so sad).
How about all those poor mobsters that have ended up in jail; all they did was ‘terminate’ bad ‘borrowers’ which would make what their job title: “Providing Advanced Lender Services.”
Arsonists? Those poor saps have only provided “Oxidation Services.” Why are they in jail?
Drug dealers? Merely providing “Pharmaceutical Services.” Let ’em all go, why discriminate?
I’d be interested to know how many Planned Parenthood clinics provide child care.
Well, I guess I have to eat crow. I should know Planned Parenthood welcomes children. After all, they welcome 13-year-old statutory rape victims and keep everything hush-hush. I stand corrected.
(LibertyBelle)
“I think this is a great piece that uses to humor to illustrate the absurdity of the abortion industry. Way to go, Onion.”
I agree. I see this as PP’s dream abortuary. As I read the article, I wondered if they had an amusement park inside (a la Mall of America in MN). Then this:
Nineteen-year-old Marcy Kolrath, one of the Abortionplex’s first clients, told reporters that despite her initial hesitancy, she was quickly put at ease by staff members who reassured her that she could have abortions over and over for the next decade before finally committing to motherhood. Kolrath also said she was “wowed” by the facility’s many attractions.
“I was kind of on the fence in the beginning,” she said. “But after a couple of margaritas and a ride down the lazy river they’ve got circling the place, I got caught up in the vibe. By the time it was over, I almost wished I could’ve aborted twins and gotten to stay a little longer.”
Now that’s kind of funny, in a sick sort of way. But then, that’s abortion for ya. Sick.
LOL wow yep every PP is centered around abortion… lol That’s why abortion is less than 5% of what they do.
There is a huge difference between Pro-choice and Pro-abortion just like there is a difference between Pro-gun and Pro-violence. Advocating for the right to keep arms is not the same thing as Let’s go shoot people!!! I don’t want to shoot anyone but I hold on to my right to shoot someone if needed. Abortion is the same as far as I am concerned. I would love it if abortion was a thing of the past because it was no longer needed. However as pregnancy can ruin a woman’s life I defend her right to the procedure if she deems it needed.
The term Pro-Abort is just more demonizing of people who don’t agree with you…
We advocate Choice not Abortion.
Why would you love abortion to be a thing of the past, Biggz?
I mean, you gave the right to shoot as an example. I agree with you about being allowed to shoot someone if needed, to protect yourself.
However, I would not want my right to shoot people to be a thing of the past. But you would love for abortion to be a thing of the past. Doesn’t make much sense to me if it’s a right to be protected.
The very fact that you guys see this as PP dream abortion clinic just shows how truly out of touch you are and how little you truly know about Planned Parenthood.
Carla, 4:34, lol
I would like it if all pregnancies were wanted in the first place. I would like it if no person was ever surprised by pregnancy ever again. I would also like it if no one ever had to go through cancer surgery. I would like it if no children were born with birth defects. I would like it if all those children waiting to be adopted right now never had to spend another night without parents. I also wish there was no hate or pride in the world. I wish there were no tonsils needing to be removed. I wish there were no appendixes needing to be removed. These are all things a perfect world could do without, however this is not a perfect world… not even close.
Bethany – No the Idea is that there would be no need to shoot anyone because violence would be a thing of the past and the right to carry a gun would be completely unnecessary. Same thing with abortion, if every pregnancy was wanted there would be no need for abortion or orphanages.
“TheLastDemocrat”
Now that is a concept I can get warm and fuzzy feelings about.
I am humming the tune to ‘Imagine’ and visualizing a world without democRATs.
Who do you nominate to be the first of the last democRATs?
Is there anything you can do to expedite all the other democRAT’s validating your title?
“I am humming the tune to ‘Imagine’ and visualizing a world without democRATs”
Keep on humming and visualizing because all you’re gonna have is a song and a visual. You so don’t live north of the Mason-Dixon line, do you? You are so not familiar with the liberal, diverse population in the educated north-east - especially in liberal Massachusetts which is home to outstanding colleges and universities and which has the lowest (despite that evil gay marriage) divorce rate in the country. And how bout my state – founded on religious liberty and which now has a solidly Episcopalian, pro-choice Independent governor, Linc Chaffee (descendant of fiscally conservative and socially liberal Republicans). And we still have those types of Republicans who find the anti-choice, religious zealots quite outre.
Stay in Texas, Ken.
“Imagine there’s no country…nothing to kill or die for, no religion too…” Too bad John Lennon was killed by a psychopath – like the psychopaths who kill abortion doctors – but according to Ken and his Operation Rescue domestic terrorst pals – it’s just collateral damage.
Don’t come to New England Ken. We value freedom which includes a woman’s right to abort. You’d be quite uncomfortable.
The satire is excellent but the subject matter is sobering. For the sake of humor it trivializes a present brutal reality.
I have to confess I laughed nervously, then looked around to see if anyone heard/saw me.
Reminds me of a joke from my childhood:
How do you fit fifty jews in a Volkswagon Beetle?
Put them in the ashtray.
God is as equally grieved by the grim reality of an aborturary with a crematorium as he was the with the furnaces at Auschwitz.
Same thing with abortion, if every pregnancy was wanted there would be no need for abortion or orphanages.
Because we have abortion, there are really no ”orphanages” as unwanted children are able to be adopted. But if we criminalize abortion, there’ll be lots more babies and we’ll need to open up the orphaganges – but wait – where will we get the money? We need to cut big government. And meanwhile, Catholic churches are closing down due to lost revenue. But if the private sector steps in an establishes orphanages, think of the possibilities – more child sexual and physical abuse just like in Ireland. But we won’t need orphanages because all the sweet little babies will be adopted. Oh wait, minorities and special needs kids, who are already difficult to place, might not be so lucky. More babies – yeah, that’s the ticket.
Too bad John Lennon was killed by a psychopath – like the psychopaths who kill abortion doctors –
Ding ding ding!!! One of our trolls has just won the abortica illogica trifecta! Give that anonymous bridge-dweller a klondike bar!!
“God is as equally grieved by the grim reality of an aborturary with a crematorium as he was the with the furnaces at Auschwitz”
In response to the Feb. 1 article, “Frankfort rally to highlight the ‘holocaust’ of abortion”:As an organization committed to protect the memory and legacy of those murdered in the Holocaust, we take umbrage when people use Holocaust analogies to promote their particular political views.While Holocaust analogies generate headlines and get attention, they do little in the service of truth, history or memory. When commentary writer Melissa Jones says that abortion makes the Holocaust appear “mild” in comparison, she, knowingly or unknowingly, undermines the historical truth of the Holocaust as a singular event in human history.
Statements of this variety are offensive and betray a fundamental lack of understanding of the nature of the Holocaust. As the ranks of Holocaust survivors recede every day, and with some world leaders still attempting to paint the Holocaust as fiction, we need to reject false comparisons to genocide and adopt a more civil tone in our national dialogue.
Sincerely,
Bettysue Feuer
ADL Cleveland Regional Director
http://www.adl.org/media_watch/newspapers/20060319-Lexington+Herald+.htm
Yea the Northwest is pretty liberal as well. We like our rights and freedoms here too. I lived between Dallas and Fort Worth for awhile and I was amazed at how education was held hostage to biblical nonsense. You might not want to venture too far into the rest of the country if you can’t handle liberal thinking. You know, thinking that comes from reading more than one book…
“Ding ding ding!!! One of our trolls has just won the abortica illogica trifecta! Give that anonymous bridge-dweller a klondike bar”
Well, ring a ding, ding. Those who murdered abortion doctors weren’t psychopaths?
CC,
I see you are off your meds again.
Or maybe you are recovering from another night of binge drinking and the hangover is making you more irritable than usual.
That’s the trouble with drinking to drown your sorrows and mask your pain. Sooner or later you sober up and the bitterness in your soul is still there.
Your psychosis is worsening. Suggest you seek professional help.
You know what they say about the physician who treats himself.
Carla & Bethany – Since when has anyone ever had the right to be born and who granted this right to them?
One would think Biggz that the women who have aborted their children at PP would know it a tad better than you.
And those of us who oppose such evil are literally paying for it. How sad this culture has become and may we pray for the conversion of those who are prodeath and may those who are prolife have the strength, courage and grace to continue defending the unborn.
Your psychosis is worsening. Suggest you seek professional help
So Ken, what’s your advanced degree and how does that relate to your “virtual diagnosis?” But nice “projection” there. (Yeah, I’m qualifed to do an assessment based on your writings which do resemble those of guys like Roeder et al. – but then you’re an Operation Rescue alumnus so it’s not surprising.)
Bethany – No the Idea is that there would be no need to shoot anyone because violence would be a thing of the past and the right to carry a gun would be completely unnecessary. Same thing with abortion, if every pregnancy was wanted there would be no need for abortion or orphanages.
Oh I see, the utopia which is never going to exist. Sorry I was confused because I live in reality.
Nice Ken… another Nazi reference… yea that not hyperbolic rhetoric at all….
Bethany – Like I said “in a perfect world”
Carla & Bethany – Since when has anyone ever had the right to be born and who granted this right to them?
“We hold these things to be self evident- that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. ”
“You know, thinking that comes from reading more than one book…”
The book that David Barton and the Texas School Board says is the basis for our Constitution. A book that says homosexuals should be executed. Not a long jump from that position to executing abortion doctors and, ultimately, women who have abortions. The “Handmaidens Tale” is, in some parts of the country, becoming a reality.
Bethany – Like I said “in a perfect world”
In a perfect world, men wouldn’t “need” to rape women.
In a perfect world, people wouldn’t “need” to rob others.
In a perfect world, mothers wouldn’t “need” to stab their newborn babies.
In a perfect world, mothers wouldn’t “need” to mutilate and kill their unborn babies by abortion.
Yes, “need” really is such an accurate word for these things.
“We hold these things to be self evident- that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
A Deistic view, based on the secular philosophy of the secular “Enlightenment” which referenced those who were born – not fetuses. BTW, no god in the Constitution.
“In a perfect world”
Where the economy is such that all children are welcome. Where all parent are psychologically able to care for all children who are born. And where if a child is conceived and not wanted, a woman can access safe and legal abortion without being harassed by religious zealots.
BTW, I had my yearly gyno check up yesterday. Because I have my own private plan, I went to a nice place and walked across a parking lot without having to deal with zealots festooned with fetus necklaces who were trying to shove information into my hand whilst shouting “don’t murder your baby.”
Now that’s a perfect world.
CC, it says created, not born.
BTW, I had my yearly gyno check up yesterday. Because I have my own private plan, I went to a nice place and walked across a parking lot without having to deal with zealots festooned with fetus necklaces who were trying to shove information into my hand whilst shouting “don’t murder your baby.”
If you go to a legit gyno, chances are, that’s not going to happen anyway.
“As an organization committed to protect the memory and legacy of those murdered in the Holocaust, we take umbrage when people use Holocaust analogies to promote their particular political views.While Holocaust analogies generate headlines and get attention, they do little in the service of truth, history or memory.
…she, knowingly or unknowingly, undermines the historical truth of the Holocaust as a singular event in human history.”
Wake up and smell the burning human flesh. The ‘holocaust’ was not a ‘singular event’.
Jews do not hold a copyright or trademark to the term.
Any Jew who is offended by the comparison of the deaths of hundreds of millions of pre-natal children to the deaths of six million Jews has some misplaced priorities and ethnocentric diffculties.
I myself am a son of Abraham both spiritually and naturally.
I reject the assertion that equating the humanity and accompanying worth of the pre-natal child who are victims of the abortion holocaust with the NAZI’s brutality in some way diminishes the memory their Jewish/Gypsy/imperfect and dissenting German victims.
One validates the other.
‘Do not ask for whom the bell tolls.’
CC
This is in reference to your 6:02 post:
If Ken’s writings according to your opinion are like Roeders than I’m thinking your belief system is comparable to Gossen’s, Tiltons, and all your other heros who get off killing the unborn.
CC, it says created, not born
Still doesn’t mean that they were talking about fetuses. Abortion was actually not covered by the law until the late 19th century. And despite the rhetoric about equality, they were also not including women, slaves, and native-Americans. But right, the secular Deist Founders were anti-abortion. Dream on.
Tiltons, and all your other heros who get off killing the unborn.
The name was Tiller who was performing a procedure that was in accordance with the law of Kansas. The abortions were medically necessary and to say that he “got off” is not substantiated in fact.
It’s there, regardless of what you believe the founders believed or didn’t believe. I answered the question. You just don’t like it.
“I myself am a son of Abraham both spiritually and naturally”
The majority of your fellow American Jews are proudly pro-choice.
CC
Of course excuse me Tiller who sent a young Downs’ Syndrome women to her death because of medical neglect. Like I said your heros.
Hey, CC, since you say the founding fathers weren’t including women, does that mean that you do not believe women are truly created equal then?
I only ask since you believe it doesn’t include unborn children because the founding fathers didn’t mean to include them?
It’s there, regardless of what you believe the founders believed or didn’t believe. I answered the question. You just don’t like it
So when was the point of creation? I don’t think the Founders defined that point. The Declaration was a political statement about the need for independence – not a statement about abortion.
Tiller who sent a young Downs’ Syndrome women to her death because of medical neglect. Like I said your heros
Right. Another anti-choice anecdote not substantiated by reality. Yes, Tiller was a hero.
It was a statement about the equality of all human beings, CC.
CC,
It is you who are indulging in ‘projecting’.
You have repeatedly provided me with un-solicited pseudo-psychoanalysis.
I was just reciprocating with some pseudo-professional courtesy.
It was the least that I could do under the circumstances. [If I could have done less, I would have.]
How much did you have to pay for your ‘degee’?
Or have you finished paying for it yet?
Hey, CC, since you say the founding fathers weren’t including women, does that mean that you do not believe women are truly created equal then?
Of course I believe women, native Americans, blacks, etc are equal. The fetus, no - as that means the subordination of the rights of the woman who carries it. Once again, you’re citing the Declaration of Independence. We are governed by the Constitution and so far, there is no “pro-life” amendment.
How much did you have to pay for your ‘degee’
I had a full scholarship, so my “degee” was free.
nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law
I understand that in your illogical world, a fetus is not a person.
However, there used to be a time that black people were not considered persons either under the law. Therefore, according to your logic, they should not have been protected under the law or the constitution either. I have no doubt you would have argued this was true in the time when slavery was allowed and encouraged.
CC,
The record is clear. Thomas Jefferson did not want to include the line about ‘endowed by their Creator’ in the DoI. But the majority of delegates refused to sign off on it unless it was in there.
Jefferson was not an orthodox christian. His theology was a bit exotic. He was one of the few ‘deist’ among the signers of the DoI.
He was a brilliant man, but thought just tad bit too much of himself than he ought to.
Pride came before the dalliance with his household staff. That is one large fly in the ointment.
He was one those ‘anti-christs’ that the apostle Paul warned followers of Christ to shun.
Think of Billy boy Clinton and b o and you get a close approximation.
CC
Yes, he’s your hero so before you judge pro-lifers for believing in life take a deep breath and remember you advocate for the killing of the unborn. And of course if your starting to feel any remorse and your soul is actually starting to question the rightness of killing unborn babies then please excuse my harshness. If your soul though feels no remorse and it brings you pleasure to denounce those who have courage to do the right thing than likewise it makes me very happy to point out to you the ideological company you keep.
CC says: May 19, 2011 at 6:29 pm
“I had a full scholarship, so my “degee” was free.”
Then you would have no grounds to demand a refund for not getting an education.
You have no legal recourse.
Self education is always a viable alternative.
CC
I have yet to see anyone with a fetus necklace but one of your heroes liked to collect the feet of babies.
CC
I think it’s awesome that you received a scholarship. Your family must have been very proud.
Myrtle-
Don’t editorialize. CC never said that Gosnell was one of her heroes. Pro-Choice people support a woman’s right to SAFE, legal abortion.
Pro aborts are such bullies. Actually commenting that we are not mad and insulted by this Onion article. Sorry, this piece of satire rings with too much truth.
MaryBeth,
If you’re mad and insulted by something the Onion (a fake, satirical newspaper) has written, it might be time to step away from the computer and take a long walk. Do you have friends? Maybe you should re-connect with them, have a glass of wine, and take a break from being so sad on the internet.
CC.
Tiller the killer freely acknowledges killing thousands of pre-natal humans, some of them viable and you hail him as hero and martyr and you are the personification of moderation.
Scott Roeder kills Tiller and I do not lament Tiller’s passing and I am the ‘terrorist’.
I didn’t celebrate Osama bin Laden’s demise either, but I was relieved he was no longer among the land of the living, how does that fit in with your psychoanalysis of me.
There are some men who need killing.
Evidently even b o agrees with that sentiment. He signed off on the decision to kill obl, even if it was belatedly.
If Kermit Gossnell is found guilty of the crimes for which he is accused, is he then one of those men who needs killing?
If ‘legal’ is the standard by which you determine right and wrong, then Kermit is found guilty by a jury of his peers and is sentenced to death, would Gosnell be one of those men who needs killing.
If that is the outcome of his trial, then I have volunteered to administer the ‘coup de grace’ by lethal injection of a super sonic lead projectile between his eyes.
I will be resonsible for all my own expenses.
No need to mobilize a SEAL team or launch a cruise missle.
But only after Gosnell has exhausted all his appeals.
But that will take at least a decade.
It will give you plenty of time to establish a pen pal relationship and eventually you may be able to qualify for conjugal visits with your hero.
[wind beneath your wings and all that jazz.]
You could volunteer to be the mother of his ‘love child’ and you could raise the little one up to be just like her/his father or if it stikes your feminista fancy you could choose to kill your own flesh and blood in final act defiance as you shake your angry fist in the face of GOD.
yor bro ken- did someone tamper with your meds? you’re a truly sick individual and i think it speaks volumes about the anti-choice movement that the majority of its proponents are total lunatics and evangelical nutjobs
Mikey,
No. I took my aspirn.
All is well.
Did you have to pay for your degee in psychiatry?
I do not purport to speak for anyone but myself.
I guess you think those SEAL team members who dispatched obl were total lunatics and nutjobs as well.
You must be a psychic.
I don’t know that I have ever claimed to be an evangelical, not that there is anything wrong with that.
You have boarded a moving train that has a come a long way and you don’t have any knowledge of the ground that CC and other folks on this site have already covered.
But if you think she needs defending then give it your best shot but be warned you have a very unsympathetic defendant for a client.
What makes you think I haven’t been reading all along?
I found that the piece was pure satire aimed at anti-choice misinformation in regards to the services that PP actually provide and the ratio of abortions within those services.
Well maybe I made a mistake by giving you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were reasonable.
CC has been participating on this site for quite a while under a number of different aliases.
She has an established track record for tauting her credentials, but does not back it up with evidence of one that is able to dispassionatley analyze the data and come to a logical conclusion.
But you would know that if you have been ‘reading all along’, as in more than just this thread or a few days.
Most peope here humor her and try to be diplomatic.
I do not give her or her opinions any more weight than they merit.
In CC’s alternate reality it is of secondary importance that 2+2=4, the primary consideration is how she feels about the outcome.
Either that or CC is just here with an ulterior motive to provoke a response in order to vaidate her own bigoted views of people who disagree with her, ‘christians’ in general and ‘catholics’ in particular.
She is wont to throw down the term ‘terrorist’ when anyone has the temerity to confront her with her own prejudices.
Myrtle: Tiller who sent a young Downs’ Syndrome women to her death because of medical neglect. Like I said your heros
CC’s response: Right. Another anti-choice anecdote not substantiated by reality. Yes, Tiller was a hero.
CC – Her name was Christin Gilbert. She was young – 16 . She died in 2005 during a late-term abortion at the hands of Dr. Leroy Carhart, who was employed by Dr. Tiller. She legally could not consent to sex, not only due to her age, but due to her disability. This case has been documented and ended up in the courts.
CC – maybe you could say an apology to Myrtle.
Mike
Anytime she or anyone else chooses to create a climate where people like Gosnell and Tiller thrive than I will be giving my opinion. She did mention that Tiller is her hero. And when you say pro-choice people are for safe abortions theres a fancy name for that but it basically means there or no safe abortions. Babies die as a direct result of abortion. Now if there were a safe way where should a mom decide not to keep her baby oh there is its called adoption. But that would require a 9 month wait and as adults we all know what a long time nine months is. If you had a valid critique feel free to give it but defending CC when she takes cheap shots, in my opinion is not a valid critique.
joyfromillinois
Thank you.
;) my pleasure
mike
This is in response to your 7:30 post and your 7:20 post
When attempting to define others you need to remember this, before an abortion babies are alive after an abortion babies die. And then you need to decide what side has the real issues.
Do you have any friends that are pro-life, instead of being facious with pro-lifers maybe you need to sit down with a friend who is also pro-life and listen with your heart and not your intellect. Are better yet sit down with a friend who is pro-life whose intellect surpasses your own and someone you know to have heart-sense and really listen. Those are my thoughts anyway.
Mike – please no name-calling. And others need to mind their manners also.
While I am sure you want ‘safe’ abortions – remember every abortion is not safe for the child, and many women, even if it’s only 1%, have complications – including infection, depression, pre-term births or miscarriages due to damage to the cervix, infertility, suicide and suicidal thoughts, substance abuse, and due to the premature non-natural end to the pregnancy (not a miscarriage) the cells in the breast are left immature and may become cancerous.
But whether you know that, believe that or care does not matter. What matters is that women are affected by abortion – and for those do suffer some malady from abortion – abortion is not safe.
Talking points do not reflect the enormity of the effect. 50+ million children whose lives were ended by abortion – and that in America alone. Abortion’s human-rights’ violation is huge, un-relenting and permanent. Those with a child missing at their table, will still have children missing, even if abortion stops tomorrow.
CC: Still doesn’t mean that they were talking about fetuses. Abortion was actually not covered by the law until the late 19th century. And despite the rhetoric about equality, they were also not including women, slaves, and native-Americans. But right, the secular Deist Founders were anti-abortion. Dream on.
Correct – this was part and parcel of telling King George of England to basically “screw off.”
Jefferson was not an orthodox christian. His theology was a bit exotic. He was one of the few ‘deist’ among the signers of the DoI.
He was a brilliant man, but thought just tad bit too much of himself than he ought to.
Pride came before the dalliance with his household staff. That is one large fly in the ointment.
Ken that last one sounds like a certain ex-Governor of Kohlifoania, eh? : P
And anyway, Holmes, the world ends in one or two days: http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/outreach/tracts/may21/
So, have a good bottle of wine, and let’s watch the show.
MaryBeth: Pro aborts are such bullies. Actually commenting that we are not mad and insulted by this Onion article. Sorry, this piece of satire rings with too much truth.
Oh good grief – it’s hilarious which ever side you’re on.
joyfromillinois,
Just a very minor correction, but I believe Christin Gilbert was 19 years old, not 16. Thanks for posting the story. It breaks my heart when I think of that young woman and her baby (who was 7 months old) dying.
A 7month old baby? That would be infanticide Adair.
Bettysue Feuer
ADL Cleveland Regional Director
Well, if Bettysue Feuer said it, then obviously the matter is settled!
Thought that Abortionplex parody was pretty interesting- (yes, it appeared on my blog early on).
It reminded me of the ginormous 78,000 square foot Planned Parenthood in Houston.
The stuff attributed to Cecile Richards was pretty hilarious. and over all I think the pro-aborts were being hit harder in this parody.
“A 7month old baby? That would be infanticide Adair.”
It is, either way. A 7 month unborn child is capable of surviving outside the womb..are you aware of this?
The parody lost any sense of humor for me when I spotted the 40 ton noiseless incinerator.
At that point, a comparison to Jews and the holocaust kicked in, and I thought – would the Onion be so quick to make a parody of that?
No.
I do think those who wrote the article are aware of the lives of the unborn – as they refer to them directly – but then, they turn around and treat the topic shamelessly – which means they don’t take the deliberate killing of those lives seriously.
I wonder if someone needs to do a parody of satirical news writers being stretched out on racks – inquisition-style, to find out what they really intended regarding this article. I imagine it would be hilarious.
Chris:
The Onion will do pretty much anything, including the Holocaust: http://www.theonion.com/search/?submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=Search&q=holocaust.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/christ-converts-to-islam,754/
One of the all-time greats. In the spirit of humor…
Doug says: May 19, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Pride came before the dalliance with his household staff. That is one large fly in the ointment.
“Ken that last one sounds like a certain ex-Governor of Kohlifoania, eh? : P”
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Well Doug,
We agree on one thing!
The end of the world may actually be at hand.
Suggest you eat dessert first, life is uncertain.
But, according to Gene Simmons, the ‘Sperminator’ did not do anything wrong. Arnold was just complying with the evloutionary imperative contained in his DNA which compels him to sow his seed far and wide.
Like Mark Sandford or Bill Clintorn, or John Edwards or Jesse Jackson or the late Ted Kennedy or Jimmy Swaggart or Marcus Lamb or Tiger Woods or the late Wilt the stilt Chamberlain,etc.
And there are no shortages of recipients to receive their downoads of biological data, female and/or male.
I was once one of these opportunistic Johnny Appleseeds, but choices do have consequennces.
Restraint is advised. Mr. Simmons equivocations not withstanding, the ‘Sperminator’ would probably agree. I sure ms Maria would.
I don’t know if the authors of The Onion MEANT this to be a dig at pro-choicers. But if pro-choicers don’t see what’s satirical *against them* in this article, they completely lack self-awareness. The article depicts pro-choicers as being incredibly shallow around the issue of abortion and callous about the issue of human life. Maybe they don’t see the problem with that. We do. Maybe that’s why we find this article funny. We’re laughing at their own lack of awareness and shallowness.
Good satire often pokes both sides of a debate.
Adair – thank you! For some reason my brain remembered her as 16. in any event, because of her disability, who ever had sexual relations with her, raped her since she legally could not give consent. To think that she paid with her life because of an abortion, is unfathomable.
Thanks for the correction. I want to be accurate!! ;)
I would like it if no children were born with birth defects.
You would deprive the world of a great deal of good.
I like my birth defect. Get bent.
CC.
In reply to your comment at:
May 19, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Please don’t get me started on the Mason-Dixon line thing. Really? You’re going to throw the Southern vs Northern thing in here? I mean, if you guys hadn’t fought so dang hard to keep us, really, you could be done with us and wouldn’t have to deal with our filthy lack of education, our horrendous bigotry or our disgusting claim to a human being’s right to life.
I know all Southerner’s aren’t wonderful, but quite frankly, neither are all New Englanders. But as for many in the South I know, we’re happy to live and let live – including the unborn babies!
But as they say here in the South, I’m just “messin’ with ya.” :) I’m proud of my southern heritage and pro-life libertarian views. :)
Don’t come to New England Ken. We value freedom which includes a woman’s right to abort. You’d be quite uncomfortable.
Actually I am planning to visit liberal New England this summer, thank you, and perhaps I will also visit moderate San Diego, and I love conservative Florida! This is a big beautiful country and we shouldn’t limit ourselves becaue people in those regions might think differently from us.
I do, however admit to not liking San Franciso too much — too chilly and too many stuck-up yuppies for my taste.
I live in New England. It’s unbelievably liberal—it’s really nauseating. I’m in the middle (pro-life but pro-gay marriage)…..and since I am in the arts, if anyone finds out I am pro-life, I will never work in my field again, not in this town, anyway. But Mass Citizens for Life is a good organization, and they hold a really good dinner every year, with some lovely speakers and they do a LOT of good work.
Enh, I can’t believe people are arguing over the Onion. The Onion is a parody of everything. The way South Park is a parody of everything. It’s like those optical illusion paintings—yes, it is BOTH a pretty woman AND and old crone. It is making fun of everyone.
Reality says: May 19, 2011 at 10:48 pm
“A 7month old baby? That would be infanticide Adair.”
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Clue!
Nearly all of us are about 9 months older than the date of our birth.
Some us are little older and some us are a little younger.
In the ‘west’ we do not usually acknowledge that fact, but in the middle east and far east cultures they sometimes do.
But you are probably like the young child who wrongly ‘believes’ that if she covers her own eyes no one can see her.
You believe as long as you can’t see the pre-natal human she/he is not really there.
Most little girls outgrow their fantasies.
Do you know yet what you are going to be when you grow up?
Harold Camping, the old boy who’s predicting the Rapture tomorrow, is president of Family Radio, which has more than 150 stations. I think he’s nuttier than a fruitcake, but it is said that his organization has over $70 million.
The end of the world may actually be at hand.
Ken, I read and post on the Cellartracker.com forum (for lovers of wine) and there is a thread called “What will be your Rapture wine of choice?”
Naturally some are talking about drinking up the best they have, and others are mentioning wines like:
2004 Michael David Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon Rapture (yes, that’s the name)
2005 Castell Miquel Binissalem-Mallorca Stairway to Heaven Cabernet
Heaven’s Cave Barbera from Horse Heaven Hills.
(The same person hedged their bet with Ferraro Zinfandel Hells Gate Canyon.)
2008 K Vintners The Creator
“Hello, I have a 7 month old baby”
“How sweet, can I see it?”
“No, it’s still in my womb.’
“Uh huh” (rolls eyes)
And it’s birth certificate is where?
Doug,
I was making a light of contemporary doomsday prophets of whom it is written:
So then, we may no longer be children, tossed [like ships] to and fro between chance gusts of teaching and wavering with every changing wind of doctrine, [the prey of] the cunning and cleverness of unscrupulous men, [gamblers engaged] in every shifting form of trickery in inventing errors to mislead.
I have no plan B.
For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised; And if Christ has not been raised, [my] faith is mere delusion [futile, fruitless], and [I am] still in [my] sins [under the control and penalty of sin]; And further, those who have died in [spiritual fellowship and union with] Christ have perished (are lost)! If [I] who [am] [abiding] in Christ have hope only in this life and that is all, then [I am] of all people most miserable and to be pitied.
Jesus is my plan A.
My confidence does not reside in the words recorded in dried ink on the pages of the ’book’, but rather on the reassuring voice of the GOD of the living who continues to speak to those who have an ear to hear.
I have heard HIS voice on more than one occasion and I continue to experience the life changing joy of HIS presence and of HIS love.
Two plus two still equals four in this present reality.
If a=b and b=c, then a=c still holds true.
But I am also confident that the ONE who created it all and established the rules by which it operates is not subject to those rules.
Space and time are HIS servants and not the other way around.
“”Hello, I have a 7 month old baby”
“How sweet, can I see it?”
“No, it’s still in my womb.’
“Uh huh” (rolls eyes)
And it’s birth certificate is where?”
Oh yeah, that’s a realistic conversation. Not.
Here’s more like it (I’ve been pregnant 7 times and this has come up pretty often):
“How old is the baby now?”
“7 months”
“Can I see?”
“Sure!” (pulling out ultrasound photo of the baby’s profile)
“Aww how sweet! S/he is a real cutie! Does s/he kick a lot?”
“Why, yes, s/he does!” Right now, s/he has the hiccups!”
“How cute!”
By the way, reality check for reality…birth is an event in a person’s life. It is not the beginning of life. You might want to go to school and re-learn a bit.
But you are probably like the young child who wrongly ‘believes’ that if she covers her own eyes no one can see her.
Lol!!
Now I realize why talking to an abortion fan seems never-ending because of their loop-de-loop blindness. It’s like playing peek-a-boo with a child on an airplane: The adult will tire of it long before the child wants to give up!
My last baby’s 7 month ultrasound, just for fun:
He was a CHUNK. 10 pounds at birth.
I’ve been around for a while Bethany and have seen myself and friends and family become parents and grandparents (a mix of pro and anti choice people, some religious some not). None would say ‘7 month old baby’. They would say things like ‘7 months along’ or ‘ 7 months pregnant’. Some even say ‘how’s the baby doing?’. But none would refer to it as a ‘7 month old baby’. Where’s the birth certificate?
I’ve got ultrasound photos of my children during gestation too! But neither of them were a ‘7month old baby’ at that stage.
Well, I probably haven’t been here as long as you, Reality, yet in the years I have been here, I’ve heard people refer to my unborn babies as just that- my baby- over, and over, and over. Including my doctors. I’m sorry you have such uptight friends who are so worried about sounding too pro-life by acknowledging a life in the womb.
What does a birth certificate have to do with being alive? If I deliver a baby at home and don’t have a birth certificate made until a month later, is my baby a human?
Hey Bethany! I can just hear Biggz, “BUT WHERE’S HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE?!!!” :)
Seriously thought, what a cutie patootie. I still have all my kids ultrasounds too.
Oh yeah! With one of my babies, I didn’t even have the birth certificate until he was about 5 months old ,because I didn’t send the information sent in at the right time. Did he miraculously become a human being when I got the certificate in the mail? Or was he human before then? What if someone had said “where’s the birth certificate?” I guess I should have hung my head in shame and said, “well, he’s 4 months old but I guess he’s not really a human being because I haven’t gotten the certificate in the mail yet!” I guess he was really 1 day old after having lived 5 months outside the womb.
Aww thanks Kris!! :) And lol too true…can you imagine someone actually asking for the birth certificate to prove you have a child? LOL
Lauren, this would be great video material. Keep it in mind.
REality, For all 3 of my children, all of their ultrasounds, the doctors and nurses refered to them as….are u ready….BABIES! Including the ultrasound I had because I was bleeding profusely at 13 weeks. I went in and they gave me an ultrasound, “to get a look at the baby”. And when we saw my daughter Gianna on the screen obviously alive and moving, the nurse doing the ultrasound assured me that, “your baby is just fine”.
I’m well aware that many people refer to developing fetuses as ‘babies’. I even cited it in what I said my friends said. But to actually refer to a 7 month fetus as a ‘7 month old baby’ is nonsensical. Do your refer to a 6 month old baby as ‘my 15 month old baby’ because you include the 9 months of gestation? “Oh yes, my baby is 15 months old now” – “hm, a bit small, does it walk or even crawl?”
Even if you wait 12 months before registering your childs birth, the certificate will demonstrate that it is now 12 months old, not 21 months.
“I’m sorry you have such uptight friends who are so worried about sounding too pro-life by acknowledging a life in the womb.” – 1. ‘uptight’ is a bit rich coming from someone like you. 2. I didn’t talk about ‘acknowledging a life in the womb’, I talked about how old a child is. Stay focussed.
Reality, in some other countries, they do count the date of conception as the beginning of their child’s life and do calculate it just as you described (in disbelief).
When we celebrate a baby’s birth day , we are not celebrating the first day of their life. We are celebrating a special event in their life. I’m sorry it is so confusing to you that someone referred to that child as being 7 months alive. Maybe you don’t like the way it sounded…too life affirming…oh well! Just take a course in biology and things should clear up a bit!
Maybe you could answer my question about the birth certificate now?
Reality: “I’m well aware that many people refer to developing fetuses as ‘babies’. I even cited it in what I said my friends said. But to actually refer to a 7 month fetus as a ’7 month old baby’ is nonsensical.”
You’re right Reality YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE DOCTORS AND NURSES! Hear that pro-life women? The next time u go in for ur ultrasound and the Doctor refers to ur “baby”, make sure to correct him/her! Those dumb doctors….
Kris, I’ll be sure to let my Ob in on that when I go for my next checkup. Coincidentally, I am 7 months pregnant right now. Now that I understand my baby doesn’t exist yet, I’m not really sure what the prenatal care is for anymore…any ideas?
lol Bethany :)
Your answer Bethany: “What does a birth certificate have to do with being alive?” – nothing. I’ve got my father’s birth certificate and we buried him 22 years ago. But what the birth certificate does show us is the age of the child. A child born 2 years ago is 24 months old, not 33 months old. That’s the point I was making.
You’re being disingenuous Kris. I haven’t been arguing about the term ‘baby’ on this occassion, I’ve been talking about the inaccuracy of describing a 7 month old fetus as a 7month old baby – because you wouldn’t refer to a child as being 14 months old when it was born 7 months ago.
“I am 7 months pregnant right now.” – yes, and even though you may choose to refer to your fetus as a baby it’s not a ‘7 month old baby’ for the reason I describe to Kris.
“Now that I understand my baby doesn’t exist yet” – whatever you want to call it, it exists (unless you are suffering a phantom pregnancy) – but things are going to get complicated for you when you call a 7 month old child a 14 month old baby. The looks you’ll get!
“I’m not really sure what the prenatal care is for anymore…any ideas?” – it’s for the fetus dear, the fetus. Ask your doctor.
Reality: “I’m not really sure what the prenatal care is for anymore…any ideas?” – “it’s for the fetus dear, the fetus. Ask your doctor.”
Would that be the same Doctor that calls it a BABY?! Bethany just said that her doctors refer to her unborn babies as “babies”. But again, your much smarter than those doctors Reality.
on the other thread – a second year medical student stated that a heartbeat in the fetus is not an indicator of life.
I wonder what he considers life, if he saw Bethany’s child moving in utero – obviously that heart is still beating…
And would that 2nd year medical student would want his heart removed – after all – it’s not a sign of life. Good gracious. And he/she wants to be a doctor? I would not want that ‘doctor’ treating me!! ;)
Thought that this would add to your discussion…
Bethany
Try not to take him too seriously, his opinion of pictures of dead aborted babies were that they’re yucky. So when he comes off as sounding superior or God help us reasonable, remember the great thinkers opinion of dead aborted babies.
Mike, I apologize for not being clear.
I was amused by the onion piece. The bullying I was talking about was the “you stupid pro lifers don’t even realize that it is you being mocked.”.
Reading the comments, there is palpable disappointment on the pro-abort side that we aren’t upset by this piece.
Sorry, pro-aborts. Our only suffering comes from those who are killed and the women who are dealing with the pain of abortion.
Just like the videos of sidewalk counseling, this doesn’t hurt a bit.
What’s the matter Kris, can’t find anything you can respond to meaningfully? Bethany and her doctor can certainly refer to her fetus/es as a baby/ies, but that has nothing to do with age references.
Bethany
That’s a beautiful baby.
I can’t say that I am suprised that u don’t find my responses meaningful Reality. Shocker.
Well you could at least stick to what’s being discussed.
Right cuz we weren’t discussing doctors calling a unborn baby a “baby” or a “Fetus” etc.
Reality, I get that you think it would be confusing if you were to call a 5 month baby 14 months because of the time in the womb, because most people calculate their child’s age based on the date of their birth. But you were totally aware of what the comment about George tiller killing that baby meant. When we’re discussing abortion and someone says that a mother died while her 7 month old was being aborted, I think you have the common sense to understand that person is talking about a 7 month unborn child. You were purposefully making this silly argument to make sure that we knew that you think a 7 month unborn child is not a person. We get that. We get what you were doing. But we also get that you are being ridiculous.
You were also being ridiculous to make it seem that a birth certificate is required for a person to be a person!
Myrtle, thank you!! :)
The Onion actually has a number of entertaining abortion-related parodies. These are just a few. (The first is video, the other two are articles.)
here
here
here
I guess if they took all the incinerators out it would make a really nice hospital. That would take a miracle though. That’s my prayer that it will be converted to a state of the art hospital, an abortion free hospital. And of course I also pray that those who would stand in the way of life have a chance to do there own reflecting.
I was at a friends house the other night and his pregnant daughter showed me a picture of her HUMAN embryo/fetus.
Later when I was talking with my friend he told me he was ‘going to be a grandfather’.
I laughed and corrected him. ?”You already are a grandfather. Your daughter just showed me a photograph or your grand daughter.”
The contents of the young ladies uterus is definitley human and any child that had not yet been indoctrinated by bigotry of the ‘dead babies r us’ mob would have recognized and described the pre-natal child as a ‘baby’.
Even the children of the members of the ‘mob’ would probably correctly identify a 12 week old fetus as a ‘baby’. Young children have a difficult time indulging in the sophistries of their parents.
No, we weren’t Kris. The point was about the whole ‘7 month old baby’ thing. If you look at what I have written you’ll see that I didn’t actually argue over doctors saying ‘fetus’ or ‘baby’.
The only ridiculousness Bethany, is people referring to their fetus as a ‘7 month old baby’.
“Later when I was talking with my friend he told me he was ‘going to be a grandfather’.
I laughed and corrected him. ?”You already are a grandfather. Your daughter just showed me a photograph or your grand daughter.”
an entirely subjective conversation.
Kris: You’re right Reality YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE DOCTORS AND NURSES! Hear that pro-life women? The next time u go in for ur ultrasound and the Doctor refers to ur “baby”, make sure to correct him/her! Those dumb doctors….
Some doctors do say “fetus.” It’s a subjective thing, same as for “child” or not.
“I was making a light of contemporary doomsday prophets of whom it is written:
So then, we may no longer be children, tossed [like ships] to and fro between chance gusts of teaching and wavering with every changing wind of doctrine, [the prey of] the cunning and cleverness of unscrupulous men, [gamblers engaged] in every shifting form of trickery in inventing errors to mislead.”
Ken, indeed. I see that some of the “disciples” of the preacher who was predicting the May 21 deal are really hurt, surprised, and wondering what the deal is. The old boy who told them that stuff has $70 million in his organization – wonder if he’ll help ’em out now? Some of them basically spent all their money getting the word out to the masses.
Ah, the fruit and nut squad…
This comment thread is incredibly hurtful. I was going to add my thoughts, but seeing how you all have treated each other here I think I’ll keep them to myself. I will say this though:
I am a woman who has chosen never to have children. I’ve been with my life partner for six years, and he and I both agree that children are not in our future together. Planned Parenthood has done more to prevent me from having an abortion than any other individual or organization.
“I think this is a great piece that uses to humor to illustrate the absurdity of the abortion industry. Way to go, Onion”
Isn’t it funny how the anti-abortion/ pro-fetus hypocrites think this was a satire on PP when it is really making fun of the absurdity/ hypocrisy of their ‘values’…they’ll kill another LIVE human to ‘protect’ a fetus but once a child is actually born then to hell with them, the poor kids are on their own for health care, education, food, healthy environment to grow in, etc…and the funniest thing is that the anti-abortion brigade NEVER mentions that since 50-60% of ALL fertilized embryos never implant in the uterine wall and thus are naturally ‘aborted’ (try studing some advanced physiology folks, it’s called SCIENCE!) then that of course makes GAWD the worlds’s #1 abortionist, hengh?! try anal-yzing THAT inconvenient fact thru your fog of ignorance! also, too
“and the funniest thing is that the anti-abortion brigade NEVER mentions that since 50-60% of ALL fertilized embryos never implant in the uterine wall and thus are naturally ‘aborted’ (try studing some advanced physiology folks, it’s called SCIENCE!) then that of course makes GAWD the worlds’s #1 abortionist”
Oh wow. My friend Joanna just posted about this “argument” on her blog. http://catholicphoenix.com/2011/05/24/i-can%E2%80%99t-believe-i-have-to-explain-this/ Indeed, we do mention this argument all the time when refuting it.
First of all, there are many groups that are pro-life and do not believe in God. Secularprolife.org is one such group. So teh argument certainly does not at all address anything that a secular pro-lifer would say.
But to answer the question about embryos not implanting, your argument is a non sequitar. In other words, it does not follow that if many embryos die naturally that we may willfully kill them. Consider the fact that in some poor countries infant mortality is very high, say 60%. Does it therefore follow that because most infants die shortly after birth that it is therefore morally permissible to kill them? Of course not. Thus, the idea that we may kill embryos because many die naturally is simply false.