Breaking: Planned Parenthood now defunded in 94 of 95 Tennessee counties, last in play
6/11, 8:35a: Shelby County (Memphis area) remains the last Planned Parenthood stronghold for the time being. Per the Memphis Flyer:
Though the Memphis and Shelby County Health Department had been under stout pressure from state government to assume the full burden of conducting family planning services via Title X federal funds, local Health Department director Yvonne Madlock (pictured right) has managed to extend a Friday deadline for responding on the matter until sometime next week….
As she has before, Madlock maintains that the county Health Department, by itself, “does not have the current capacity” to serve the sizable target population of lower-income women and families in need of family planning services….
Madlock said that her Department in its search for such partners “would not include or exclude” Planned Parenthood….
6/10, 8:18p: In the State of Tennessee, 93 of 95 country health departments have provided all Title X family planning services for two years.
Only two counties, Davidson and Shelby, which contained Tennessee’s two largest cities, Nashville and Memphis respectively, contracted with Planned Parenthoods for Title X services totaling $1.1 million.
Today Tennessee moved one big step closer to completely severing ties with Planned Parenthood when Davidson County announced it would begin providing all Title X services for its population area, according to a story in the Tennessee Journal, a news source available by subscription only.
This leaves Planned Parenthood of Middle and East Tennessee high and dry. According to The Tennessean, “The Nashville chapter was slated to receive about $335,000 in federal money next year, or 10% of its budget,” which it now will not.
Meanwhile, “Planned Parenthood Greater Memphis Region was expecting about $750,000, about 25% of its budget,” the paper continued, which may not happen. A press release from Lieutenant Gov. Ron Ramsey today stated, “Shelby County is also expected to begin the process of transitioning away from its Planned Parenthood contract,” although my sources at Tennessee Right to Life tell me that’s not a done deal. Shelby County health department officials are saying they need more money to handle the load. They had until today to respond to the state health department.
Tennessee’s plan to defund PP differs from Indiana’s in that it has merely instructed its county health departments to directly provide Title X family planning care without specifically mentioning Planned Parenthood.
How all this suddenly came down, according to The Tennessean:
Abortion foes came close to shutting down the federal grants to Planned Parenthood in Tennessee during the budget debate last month.
State Sen. Stacey Campfield… added an amendment to the state appropriations bill that would have shifted PP’s grants to state and local health agencies.
But another provision was quietly inserted into the appropriations bill hours before the bill was passed by the legislature. The provision negated Campfield’s amendment. More than two weeks later, no state lawmaker has claimed responsibility for the change.
The backdoor dealings have outraged anti-abortion activists. TRL has called on its members to ask Haslam “to use every legal tool available to end funding of PP in Tennessee.”
Which he has apparently done. Excellent.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Woo hoo!
I’d like to propose a weekend question:
If Planned Parenthood did not contribute to Democratic political campaigns, do you think that the Republicans would be working so hard to defund them?
I’d like to propose a weekend question:
If Planned Parenthood did not contribute to Democratic political campaigns, do you think that the Democrats would change their platform away from abortion on demand?
Democrats for Life tried to change the platform at the last convention but were obviously unsuccessful.
Ex-Gop
I doubt the amount of money they give compared to the amount they receive when their friends are in office really amounts to that much.
Denise
The fact that they ignore members of their own party doesn’t surpise me at all. I hope come November we have a pro-life candidate that has a vision for our countries future.
God bless Tennessee. :)
Planned Parenthood has a very nice reciprocal relationship with politicians. When Planned Parenthood gets government funds they can then contribute them to campaigns of politicians to make sure that Planned Parenthood will get more funding so that Planned Parenthood can then contribute more money to their campaigns.
If Planned PArenthood did not LOVE abortions, did not have countless charges of child abuse, AND child prostitution trafficking on the public records, if they did not hand out the HIGHEST fail rate of birth control, if they used their MILLIONS in profit to help the women that make the CHOICE to give birth who need help with housing/food/baby stuff(Which non profit pregnancy crisis centers DO help mothers who choose life with funds/needs)… seems planned parenthood is very pro-one-choice-only. So with all this known, and endless more destruction like fraud and lies, then maybe I would not be fighting so hard to defund them. It brings a tear of joy to my eye to see each one fall and more former managers and workers of PP coming forward on their crimes all the time. *sniffle* tears of joy I say. :D
“If Planned PArenthood did not LOVE abortions, did not have countless charges of child abuse, AND child prostitution trafficking on the public records”
Abortions are only a small percent of what they do. Their are private doctors who also perform abortions. Do they “love” abortion?
While anti-choicers, including Lila Rose and her sting video crew have “charged” Planned Parenthood with child prostitution, there have been no formal charges presented and prosecuted. Planned Parenthood contacted the FBI about the “pimps.” Subsequently the DOJ cleared Planned Parenthood of any suspected wrong doing.
“If they did not hand out the HIGHEST fail rate of birth control,”
Then you better go after private doctors because they distribute the same birth control. The community health centers which will, hopefully, pick up former Planned Parenthood clients (that’s the law) will be “handing out” the same scripts.
“MILLIONS in profit to help the women that make the CHOICE”
They refer them to those services. And part of the “millions” go to things like pap smears and routine gynecological tests.
But it is interesting that you rejoice over defunding of Planned Parenthood because that implies that you rejoice over women having no other option but to have a child that she doesn’t want. That really underscores the belief of the reality based community that the anti-choice movement hates women and sees forced birth as “good enough for them.” In other words – punishment. Do you seriously believe that once an unwanted child is born, mommy and baby will live happily ever after? Do you really? If you do, then you are quite naive and have no concern for the child whose life will not be easy. But good enough for them, right?
Pro-lifers do sometimes exagerrate?
North Carolina Abortion Foe Stretches Truth In “Planned Parenthood” Tale
http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/06/10/1261416/tearful-tale-of-abortion-clinic.html
“Shelby County health department officials are saying they need more money to handle the load.”
The $750,000 that goes to Memphis Planned Parenthood is a good start.
CC
No what it underscores is that the pro-death camp is really good at proganda and that ruining the lives of young people, killing the pre-born and getting paid to do it means very little to them. When there out of business I’m sure they’ll be happy to see agenices that don’t kill receive federal funding seeing as how they love women. Civility true civility anyway is not determined by how good you look true civility is determined by how good you are. A lesson planned parenthood is about to learn. And because you like to use poverty as an excuse to justify the killing of the unborn maybe you should consider that poverty of spirit is far worse than economic poverty.
JC
Thank you for your tears of joy. As a survivor of the very far lefts world view it’s good to know that not all Americans embrace their worldview. Your tears of joy somehow lessens all the real tears I’ve cried because of very very bad advice they get paid to teach to those who are not old enough to know better.
Ex-GOP says: June 10, 2011 at 8:50 pm
“If Planned Parenthood did not contribute to Democratic political campaigns, do you think that the Republicans would be working so hard to defund them?”
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Ex-RINO,
Your question is a stunning acknowledgement of PP’s partisan political activity.
No organization or individual who receives federal funds should be involved in partisan political activity and no partisan political organization should the beneficiary of federal funds.
It is inherently unfair.
Creating a separate PAC does not eliminate the problem. It just removes it one step.
Money is fungible. Every tax dollar spent for ‘legitimate purposes’ frees up other dollars to be spent on ‘paritsan’ political purposes.
Most republicans and democrats who are pro-life would be working to defund PP because PP is not only ineffective, it is counter productive and it kills prenatal children.
There are no shortage of good reasons to dis-establish/defund americas oldest whore house.
If there is truly a need for PP’s services and they are profitable then the free market will ensure the whore house stays in business.
But I am sure even you know it is more likely that b o will allow produce a valid original long form birth certificate, than PP can be self sustaining in the free market.
CC says: June 11, 2011 at 7:13 am
“But it is interesting that you rejoice over defunding of Planned Parenthood because that implies that you rejoice over women having no other option but to have a child that she doesn’t want.”
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CollossalConflatulator,
That statement is just another indication how inadequate your ‘free’ educuation was/is.
It also presumes that all women are as woefully uninformed as you are and unable to make ‘choices’ about when and when not to engage in sexually activity that could result in a pregnancy.
And it wrongly assumes that a pregnant women does not already have a ‘child’.
Be careful what you wish for. Tennesse will pick up low income gynecological services which also include birth control. Meanwhile, Planned Parenthood will still be doing abortions and funding them through donations and grants from “baby killing” organizations and pro-choice churches. (Right, apostate all!)
” Jeff Teague, the president and CEO of Planned Parenthood’s Nashville chapter, said the organization would be able to absorb the cuts but would have to start charging for some services. The organization will refer patients who cannot pay to Metro.
“We’ve been planning for several months not to have that funding available,” he said, “so we’ve got a really strong contingency plan in place.”
http://www.citizen-times.com/article/DN/20110611/NEWS/306110040/Metro-take-over-Planned-Parenthood-funds?odyssey=nav%7Chead
So the “whores” (as articulated by former Operation Rescue terrorist ”Ken”) who need to terminate a fetus will still be able to do so.
What’s the problem? Why not just have all these loud mouthed supporters of PP put their money where their mouths are and cough up the money?
Ken the Birther -
Not a stunning admission at all quite frankly – I believe quite strongly that money in politics has hurt us in a lot of areas. Yes, direct funding for PP is a problem – but look at the oil industry, the way that congress has inputs into coverage for medicare procedures/devices, drug companies…the ability for corporations to spend money on campaigns, and then benefit financially through legislation from those same politicians. It is a big problem.
And it wrongly assumes that a pregnant women does not already have a ‘child’
One more time – a fetus is not a child. One more time – women should be able to have sex whenever and with whom they want regardless of whether they could become pregnant. Obviously, it’s in their best interest to control their fertility – a concept anathema to the forced birth crowd; but if they don’t, they shouldn’t be burdened with a pregnancy that they don’t want.
Hopefully the clinic “whores” at the Arlington TX Planned Parenthood have good security. Hopefully, they are aware of the potential danger of anti-choice zealots like Ken who had no problem harassing women trying to access reproductive health care which, yes does include abortion, which are still legal.
While the anti-choice movement doesn’t want its money allocated to abortion, they have no problem with their money going to wars that kill and maim the “post-born.” That underscores how those in the “pro-life” movement seem to concerned only with the “pre-born” and those in vegetative states. Anybody in between is on their own!
Oh the pro-choice logic: it is better to be dead than to face the possibility of being abused or adopted. That is a decision that you make for them. And PP did not report statutory rape and abuse cases that is a crime. They have had several law suits on those charges. Live action and their videos have been upfront that it is only a willingness to cover up crime and that since they were not an actual pimp and prostitute that no actual crime was committed on tape but rather it shows candidly shows how PP operates in these cases. Pregnancy is not a punshment (you seem prone to hyperbole as was your “dark ages” comment) pregnancy is a natural, biological concequence of sex andvthat you are in fact pregnant with another living human being. That is reality. And to want more women to be born, to advocate for more inclusive human rights and want women to feel free to bring their pregnancies to term regardless of their situation and give them resources, love and support to do so is hating on them? PP comes under attack for being the nation’s largest abortion provider so yes the other abortion providers are guilty of these things as well but to a smaller degree you start with the biggest problem first. You suspend reality when it does not suit your tastes. Not all children are welcomed into loving homes but to say that means they want to be killed in utero instead is not realistic. Isn’t there a better answer than death? Abortion allows us to avoid any of the actual causes of the reasons why children aren’t brought into lving homes and never allows us to address why women get abortions in the first place.
“That is a decision that you make for them”
No, that is a decision that is made by the woman who carries the fetus. You, on the other hand, are deciding that she can’t do that.
“And PP did not report statutory rape and abuse cases that is a crime. They have had several law suits on those charges”
Wrong, they called the FBI immediately after the first Lila Rose “sting.” The videos have been shown to have been edited. According to the DOJ, there was no malfeasance on the part of PP. One employee, who acted unprofessionally, was fired. Information regarding judicial by-pass was perfectly appropriate given that this is the law in NY.
“And to want more women to be born, to advocate for more inclusive human rights and want women to feel free to bring their pregnancies to term regardless of their situation and give them resources, love and support to do so is hating on them”
If women, for whatever reason, don’t want to give birth, they shouldn’t be forced to do so based on religious belief about when “life” begins. For those who do give birth, resources should certainly be provided.
“Abortion allows us to avoid any of the actual causes of the reasons why children aren’t brought into lving homes and never allows us to address why women get abortions in the first place. ”
The reasons why women get abortions are well researched. It has been established that there is a link between abortion and poverty. But sadly, social programs for poor folks are now considered, by the conservative GOP, to be unneccessary ”entitlements.” Women with abusive partners often seek abortion and there’s not much that society can do about that except for stronger attempts at anti-bullying programs which conservative Christians loathe because, they think, it promotes the “gay agenda.” Another reason for abortion is lack of information about sex and birth control. But conservative Christians oppose this because, they say, it promotes “promiscuity.” Abortion rates are actually lower in secular Europe owing to better sex education and contraceptive use.
What are you folks going to do if Planned Parenthood continues to exist even if defunded? What’s the next objective? Shutting down in-vitro labs which “kill” “babies?”
If women, for whatever reason, don’t want to give birth, they shouldn’t be forced to do so based on religious belief about when “life” begins. For those who do give birth, resources should certainly be provided.
For a person who claims to be so much more intelligent than the rest of us, this is an incredibly ignorant statement that smacks of a mental disconnect. When life begins is not a religious belief, nor should “life” be in quotes. Seriously, if you’d admit the humanity of the preborn and just say you don’t give a crap and think we should be allowed to kill them anyway, you’d at least have some semblance of honesty left.
CrazedCorsettier,
Suggest your check your medicine cabinet. You may have inadvertently skipped a few dosages of your prescription.
Go stand in front of your mirror and keep telling yourself that you are invisable.
Keep repeating it over and over again like some tantric mantra.
Let us know when your reflection disappears.
Then we might entertain your repeatied insistence that a HUMAN fetus is not a child/person/baby/human.
Maybe you can channel Bull Connor, Lester Maddox or George Wallace and they can tell how well that approach worked for them.
Mary,
AMEN!!
Let the proaborts prop up the industry run by proaborts!!
“Yes, direct funding for PP is a problem – but look at the oil industry, the way that congress has inputs into coverage for medicare procedures/devices, drug companies…the ability for corporations to spend money on campaigns, and then benefit financially through legislation from those same politicians. It is a big problem.”
Ex-RINO
Setting aside the fact that most products that corporations provide to the public are morally and ethically neutral and most of their products are not designed to murder people,
Please show us where your liberal democrats are laboring to end subsidies to any corporations, let alone the ones that benefit them directly.
If your chosen moniker were ‘a-political’ then we might give you the benefit of the doubt as to your objectivity, but you excuse, justify, equivocate and give cover to some pretty sick puppies on the left, not the least of whom are the ‘dead babies r us’ crowd who, not coincidentally, happen to be primarily liberal and democrat.
You and your fellow travelers take on ‘big oil’ and buy your poodle cars, and we will concern ourselves with electing pro-lifers who, not coincidentally, are primarily conservatives.
“If Planned Parenthood did not contribute to Democratic political campaigns, do you think that the Republicans would be working so hard to defund them?”
Not a chance. And if Planned Parenthood contributed to Republican political campaigns, you can bet that the GOP would tell pro-life conservatives exactly where they can stick their beliefs about abortion. Every decision politicians make is simply the result of a calculation of personal costs and benefits. Which is why the sheer gullibility of most conservative voters really astounds me. These people seriously think that when John Boehner gets in front of a camera and starts sobbing like a little girl about whatever pet issue is most important to his intended audience, that he’s actually expressing some kind of genuine emotion or belief about it.
Ken the Birther -
Oh yes, those Pro-Life politicians.
What bills reside right now, anywhere, that would ban abortions? So it is enough for you folks to simply not have to pay for it yourself? Well, that isn’t quite accurate as well since the funding didn’t actually go to abortions, but we’re splitting hairs here.
Your original post though talked about seeing the issue of sending government money for an organization that is also political. If you want to refine your earlier comments, that is fine – don’t get snooty about it. If you have issues with dirty money in politics, then there’s a lot of dirty hands out there.
And proof the democrats are trying to cut some of that money out? How about campaign finance reform and trying to cut “hidden” money out the system?
Sure, Democrats are guilty as well – just don’t pretend that your precious right wingers are spending all their time picketing clinics and going to church…most of their time is scratching backs, and then getting returned favors.
I see a lot of broke military veterans – do you know any broke and homeless former politicians? Clinton, Bush? They hurting for cash these days???
Joan – I agree.
It is about getting elected and keeping power…not about doing the right thing.
“that is a decision that you make for them” – you the pregnant woman make the decision to terminate the fetuses further development – this is the choice part of your stance you want to the ability to choose this. I am not telling her that she cannot do that, I am encouraging her to be open to other options and should she choose them I can help her emotionally, financially, etc to facilitate that whether she choose adoption or to raise the baby herself.
And allow me to be more clear – there are several cases against PP that are NOT related to Live Action. And statutory rape is in fact different than judicial bypass which is legal – but there has also been cases where a judicial bypass was not obtained but that the agency just lied on paper work to cover up statutory rape. PP called the FBI and reported that there was a hoax going on (they had several incidents in different locals in a short amount of time) that means that they did NOT report them right way. The FBI of course would not have found any wrong doing in the Live Action investigation as no crimes were actually committed, again it only shows the willingness to cover up crimes. Live Action has also posted their unedited videos as well and you can view them on their website.
You also mistakenly lump conservatives/Republicans all together. It is true that some want to do away with the entitlement programs, they on the other hand want to revert to charity based programs so that they can still receive help that way, There is some debate about that as well what works and what doesn’t and is it sustainable. We do need to help those women either way, there is a need to help others that in less than fortunate situations. So we do agree on that. But to say that I am against what some would call “entitlement” programs is false. There is some need for social programs and any reasonable person will tell you that.
When you claim that it is religious that “life” begins at conception, I think you have it a bit backwards. It is a medical and biological (not biblical) fact that life (not “life” in the philosophical or metaphysical sense) begins at conception. A genetically unique and human being is created when the sperm and egg meet and exchange their chromosomes. Not only is the a scientific fact it is also very reasonable – we all started out that way, we all went through that stage – it is when our development begins, you trace life back to it’s very beginning – we must all be conceived to be born. What you claim is that “life” does not begin until – enter criteria here. The “what qualifies as life” is the value judgement on someone else’s life that is added. The term personhood is more often used in this debate to clarify what the meanings are. Pro-life says that scientifically human life starts at conception and should be therefore be entitled to rights and Pro-Choice says that while you are alive and a human being they have not achieved personhood and are therefore not entitled to rights. There life is not valuable because they have not attained certain criteria.
Ex-GOP says: June 11, 2011 at 12:25 pm
“Joan – I agree. It is about getting elected and keeping power…not about doing the right thing.”
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Ex-RINO and Joan,
“doing the right thing”
You have made my point. You have described the liberal democrat amoral ideology.
When your creeps get arrogantly over confident and expose themselves [literally and figuretively] then you attack the integrity and the credibility of those who publicize their mis-step.
You defend your perverts by claiming they have been framed or set up.
Then, when incontovertible evidence emerges and the sickos tearfully confess and beg forgiveness, your response to their repugnant behavior is, “So what?”
Weiner is nothing but a low life exhibitionist .
Instead of operating as opportunistic flasher and opening his raincoat when an unsuspecting victim walks by, he makes a few keystokes and transmits a photo of himself and his erect wienie to unsuspecting recipients on his email list.
Weiner is a ‘representative’ of the United States of America.
His now public perversion reflects on the whole nation. The democrats have no problem with him staying in congress. Even if they held a hundred more seats than the republicans they would not expell him. They will only get rid of him when they view him as a political liability.
CC says: June 11, 2011 at 10:53 am
“So the “whores” (as articulated by former Operation Rescue terrorist ”Ken”) who need [have a compulsion] to terminate a [HUMAN] fetus will still be able to do so.”
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CoweringCutie,
When I was a pothead paranoia was an everpresent fiend. I believe it had more to do with the knowledge I was doing something wrong, than the effect of cannabis.
What are you doing that you know is wrong?
‘Need’ is an understatement, ‘compulsion’ would be a much more accurate and appropriate term.
But you are so careless in the way you promiscuously throw around words, I am sure the distinction would be lost on you. [Just another example of how that ‘free’ education has not served you well.]
Traffic was heavy on the freeway the other day so I took the opportunity to take the back roads and show my wife and daughter and future son-in-law one of the places I used to live when I was a child.
The demographics of the neighborhood had changed considerably since I lived there. The economy was quite different as well. Lots of poverty and run down homes and older vehiclels in differring degrees of dis-repair.
Low and behold as we were driving down Miller Avenue there was a brand new building in the midst of the ramshackle homes and businesses. Emblazoned on the sign on the side of the shining edifice were the two big P’s [PP].
That location is a lot closer than the one in Arlington and I am sure they would be even more succeptible to a hidden camera sting.
I will have to find some volunteer actors who are bi-lingual. Being fluent in both Spanish and ebonics would be helpful in securing the assistance of the more than willing PP staffers.
Truth is the enemy of tyrants.
The wicked flee when no one pursues. [Cause they are paranoid.]
“Low and behold as we were driving down Miller Avenue there was a brand new building in the midst of the ramshackle homes and businesses. Emblazoned on the sign on the side of the shining edifice were the two big P’s [PP].”
Are there more fast food restaurants now as well? I suspect that McDonalds and Burger King may be conspiring to eliminate low-income minorities by feeding them unhealthy, high-fat, carbohydrate-rich food that will lead to obesity, heart and liver problems, and diabetes. Will Live Action please investigate this genocide perpetrated by fast food corporations?
joan – So someone beat Live Action to the punch. I watched a documentary at my university about that very topic. The claim being that McDonald’s makes cheap food that is unhealthy because it is more cost effective to make cheap food and then the poor eat it because it is all they can afford. And in a round about way the corporation is killing poor people.
Ken the Birther -
You truly do have a special gift – I make a post regarding money and political influence.
You seem to agree, and I agree again, until you then decide to twist the conversation into abortion.
I call you on it, try to bring back the conversation and now, ‘poof’, it is about Weiner!
I wonder if I answer that post (including the irony of you saying that the Dems don’t care at the exact same time that the lead headline on CNN.com was regarding the mass chorus of high level Dems that want him to step down) if you will next turn the debate to something like the nazis. Or maybe 9/11. Who knows…seems like once we’re abord a crazy train, we should just enjoy the ride!
Yes, CC! Good for me!
I didn’t “want” my child either even though I was very COMPLICIT in making him! We have done great and are going 14 years strong!
So, yes, GOOD FOR US!!!!!
CC says ” a fetus is not a child.”
Fetus = human being. Child= human being. Adult = human being. It’s not that difficult.
CC says ” they shouldn’t be burdened with a pregnancy that they don’t want. ”
Ah yes, the old “every child a wanted child” slogan. It’s bad thinking. It’s the same as saying “every unwanted child a dead child”.
Being “wanted” as a standard for the right to life. Let’s see how that works out.
Every child in the womb or outside of the womb, wanted or unwanted is a human being. This is basic biology. Protest all you want, it’s a fact.
Then the argument is really saying “every human being a wanted human being”. So then is every unwanted human being is a dead human being?
Then shouldn’t this argument apply to *all* human beings? Really, for those who value justice, shouldn’t this apply to *all* human beings? Shouldn’t all human beings have the power to use this logic against any “unwanted” human being? Wives against husbands, husbands against wives, neighbor against neighbor….and on and on……
Therefore could a child not use the same argument against their parent? Let’s picture a 12 year old for a minute.. “Sorry mom, I don’t want you anymore. Let me introduce you to ‘chainsaw’. I payed him a hundred bucks to come over and *abort* you”
First…from a legal standpoint – if you murder a pregnant woman, you are charged with TWO murders, not one.
Second…nobody who has ever seen a “fetus” can honestly say that it isn’t a human being. Our first pregnancy resulted in the miscarriage of our child. It was too soon to know the sex but we felt like our child was a boy. We named him Victor. You can quote and say anything you want to try to tell me that the “fetus” that I gave birth to wasn’t a human – wasn’t a child. But you are wrong. Our son was and looked like a small baby. He had ten perfect toes and ten perfect fingers. His eyes had started to form. I went through an at home delivery to have him. I experienced the pains of labor and childbirth. My husband delivered him. He and I got to hold him. He was a human. His life was real. His eternal soul is real. Our pain over losing him and our love for him is real.
You can piss on my leg all you want and scream to heavens that it’s rain but we all know the truth. It’s piss.
Also – regarding the defunding of PP – yes, we are against abortion. Yes we want to offer these women other options, help, and education. First thing is first – PP is a PRIVATE company. They need to stand on their own feet. If they want to be in the business of profiting off murder and there are private citizens that want to help them with donations – that is on PP and their donors. We want PP defunded of all taxpayer money. I think it’s wrong for any private, for-profit company to be subsidized by the government, no matter what they are selling.
Joan
Well we do have a clinic down the street and as far as I know they don’t do abortions. I bring my son there for his neurology appointments. I don’t think there affiliated with planned parenthood but I could be wrong. I’m not sure how you make the jump from McDonalds serving unhealthy food and Margaret Sangers baby,Planned Parenthood. I’m assuming you’ve read her views on the poor if you haven’t read as much as you can and maybe you’ll have a better understanding of planned parenthoods agenda. Oh and I just read that last part about genocide. I didn’t pull that out of a hat but googled genocide and according to the United Nations definition of genocide,read it for yourself,planned parenthood if they’re following Sangers lead is guilty of the crime only when targeting ethniticities, races,and I think there is one other group that falls under the definition of genocide. Targeting individuals because of their economic background though does not constitute genocide the convention wanted to include that but didn’t. When you research Sanger read more than a few articles and google the Negro project she had some serious issues when it came to African Americans too. So in conclusion when your driving down Joan avenue and all the signs are pointing out the obvious and you choose to ignore the signs and end up in the ditch be so courteous as to not take anyone else there with you.
CC—”One more time – women should be able to have sex whenever and with whom they want regardless of whether they could become pregnant”
This is like pretending that women (and men, too) don’t know that having sex may result in pregnancy. Willfully engaging in an act that also happens to be the only act that has the possibility of resulting in pregnancy when you are not in a position to handle a pregnancy is irresponsible, selfish and stupid. That one sentence is a snap-shot of everything that is wrong with the pro-choice stance. If only they would all admit to advocating for such self-serving attitudes and total lack of accountability.
Joan
Put in the search box legal definition of genocide and then research Sangers views on eugenics and her statements in the negro project.
yes! =)
I’d rather see the Title X funding go to the county health departments and community-based, federally qualified health centers, which not only provide family planning services (minus abortion), but also often provide a broader range of medical/dental care and social services for low-income individuals on a sliding fee scale. Here’s one such group of federally qualified health centers, based in Indiana:
Open Door Health Services
http://www.odbmh.org/
In fact, there are 1200 such community-based, federally qualified health centers, providing comprehensive medical/dental/mental health care, including in rural areas versus 785 Planned Parenthoods only providing limited reproductive health care (including contraversial abortion).
While the anti-choice movement doesn’t want its money allocated to abortion, they have no problem with their money going to wars that kill and maim the “post-born.”
This is simply not true. I am anti-war and pro-life, and there are many others who feel the same. Read my lipstick: Not all prolifers are conservative Republicans, or members of the religious right!
While the anti-choice movement doesn’t want its money allocated to abortion, they have no problem with their money going to wars that kill and maim the “post-born.”
War and abortion are completely different moral issues. How can you not see this?
All abortion kills innocent human beings intentionally.
Some innocent human beings are killed during war but it’s not intentional (usually).
What’s the daily death count from abortion? somewhere around 4,000 human beings?
You really need a better argument.
“post-born”
Ok. One more time: A fetus….”pre born” = a human being.
A newborn….”post born” = a human being.
Both have the same value.However, your dilemma is a false one because war and abortion are not the same moral issue.
psalm – No your are wrong sir. A fetus is a developing human. This is a very important distinction that anti-choicers refuse to acknowledge. You see the way DNA works is a lot like the process of building a car. In the beginning you have raw materials that have to be made in a certain order for the car to come together and be a car. If you enacted any of those processes at different times or for different lengths of time, you would get something other than a car. You could use those same raw materials to make a car, truck, bicycle, or a locomotive. This is how DNA works, like a set of blueprints that can be changed completely into another object with incorrect timing in when the gene activates and when it stops working. I understand it is a tough concept to wrap your head around, it is a new discovery to me as well, but as the human genome project continues we are learning how DNA works and where life started on this planet. Here is a hint though, all life on this planet came from the same very first organism and we all derive from it. We as humans continue to carry the original DNA with us as our DNA is just that original DNA but multiplied a few times.
A human’s embryo can be changed into a different animal all together though gene therapy and manipulation. It is entirely possible to use human DNA and change it to make a horse DNA. All the raw materials and DNA components are there they just need to be resequenced into another species DNA pattern. If you doubt me just read the story Jill posted about cows making human breast milk through DNA manipulation.
So this mantra of “it’s a human baby, it’s a human baby, it’s a human baby” doesn’t actually stand up to the medical facts being uncovered in the human genome project.
It is an embryo, nothing more. That embryo could be anything we want it to be it is as simple as changing the blueprint to make something else. A lump of steel and a roll of rubber hoses are not a car. They can be fashioned into anything we want.
Biggz – I am having trouble seeing what the point of your argument is.
A human never develops into anything other than a human in utero – so the fact that DNA CAN be manipulated outside of a pregnancy is moot. If a fetus is left to develop on it’s own accord then it always turns into a baby/infant (like your car analogy – you let the car plant keep making the car, don’t stop or alter production and you get a CAR – pregnancy does this- my body in no way alters the DNA). During a human pregnancy you end up giving birth to a human baby. And when you say that they are a developing human – you are correct, no argument there. I think what you mean to say is “human” or “person” or has not yet attained “personhood”. So what you are really saying is that you have to kill it before it BECOMES a “human/person” or attains “personhood”. Know that it will develop into a “person” with rights and you are just using a loophole to kill them before they get to that point doesn’t seem any better.
And when the egg and sperm meet they exchange their chromosomes and they make that blue print for that human. That is the blue print for that person, the DNA does not change and make a horse or a cow. I am also lost on the point that you are trying to make with our original DNA.
As to your “we are all the same DNA” – We all derived from the same organism. We share much DNA with all the organisms on Earth. Humans share a LARGE amount of the same DNA with all other humans. All that means is that there is a certain DNA sequence that is required to live on Earth which makes perfect evolutionary sense. So when you say that it’s a human baby doesn’t stand up with the human genome sequence – I am not sure how you can make that claim and I am not sure what one has to do with the other. First off you say it is the HUMAN genome project, meaning that HUMAN DNA is different from other animals/organisms DNA – which we know and is obvious. Though we do share much of the same DNA there are differences – because as you can tell we are all different. Those small differences in our DNA make a large impact. I am not sure if you are trying to claim that all DNA is the same and that it doesn’t matter. Because forensics will tell you differently – every single human has unique DNA.
And because you can manipulate DNA in no way makes abortion ok, though it is an interesting factoid.
Biggz,
That was a whole lot of words that really meant nothing.
“A fetus is a developing human.”
You are basically arguing against a fetus being a human being based on level of development. Yet you still agree that a fetus = human. That’s what science tells us. Science cannot tell us what value to place on the fetus. Here we have to apply philosophy/ ethics.
“What moves a human fetus to adulthood is not a mere collection of parts, but an underlying nature or essence that orders its properties and capacities. As a fetus grows, it does not become more of its kind; it matures according to its kind. It remains the same kind of thing from the moment it begins to exist. Thus, a fetus retains its identity even if its ultimate capacities are never fully realized.
A dog that never learns to bark is still a dog by nature. (That is, it the dog’s particular nature, not the realization of some capacity he may or may not develop, determines what kind of thing he is.)
A human embryo will develop accidental properties (such as self-awareness, sentience, and physical structure) as it matures, but these properties are non-essential and can be changed (or never fully expressed) without altering the nature of the thing itself. If you lose an arm or never learn to think abstractly, you remain yourself even though your ability to immediately exercise certain ultimate capacities is never fully realized.” Scott Klusendorf