Latina clients grateful for abortion doula
Today one of the women looked up at me during the procedure and smiled: “Que bueno que estas aqui.” (How good that you are here). I responded: “Mi placer.” (My pleasure). And it really is my pleasure, my delight that such a simple act might have an impact. Might make someone feel less alone and more resilient.
Before we parted ways she said to me, “Este trabajo que tu haces es muy lindo.” (This work that you do is very lovely).
~ Abortion doula Miriam Zoila Perez sharing her experience with Latina clients, Radical Doula, June 14
[Photo via MiriamPerez.com]
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This is what I mean by enslavement.
I’m pretty sure the Latina woman did not understand how far along in life her 12 week child was, but if she did know and didn’t care..
The love of many has grown so cold.
Yes – the devil is insane, and so are his minions.
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Evil and creepy.
Shame on all abortionists and abortion doulas for their part in child sacrifices.
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They will call evil good and good evil. we are in those days for sure. And abortion is evil institutionalized.
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Here is the website for the international accrediting body for Doulas (DONA):
http://www.dona.org/mothers/index.php
I see the descriptions of birth doulas and post-part. doulas, but nothing on abortion doulas. I wonder if Perez is accredited, and if these folks know about her professional subterfuge?
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My live birth doulas helped both me and my child. They are there for BOTH of us!
How does the abortion doula take care of the child? Does she even notice? Does she bring herself to even look at his body? Does she hold him and show the mother how her “choice” kills those without one? Does she piece him back together to “help” the abortionist? Out of sight, out of mind.
Evil. Pure evil. They are not doulas. They have hijacked the word “doula” just as they have hijacked the word “choice.”
I have shown these words to my REAL doula friends. They become enraged!!! And rightly so.
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The word, “doula,” comes from the Greek word for the most important female slave or servant in an ancient Greek household, the woman who probably helped the lady of the house through her childbearing. The word has come to refer to “a woman experienced in childbirth who provides continuous physical, emotional, and informational support to the mother before, during and just after childbirth.” (Klaus, Kennell and Klaus, Mothering the Mother)
A doula…
The acceptance of doulas in maternity care is growing rapidly with the recognition of their important contribution to the improved physical outcomes and emotional well-being of mothers and infants.
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The word Doula has been applied to many circumstances to describe being there for a woman however she needs it. There are doulas who are present for dying persons during their final days. For birth doulas their role is to support a woman no matter what her birth choices; be it a natural birth or medicated or elected c-section. The key is NON-JUDGEMENT. To wish for any person to be alone and unsupported during any hardship is creepier than anything described here.
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Andrea said: To wish for any person to be alone and unsupported during any hardship is creepier than anything described here.
Killing a very young innocent human being is a hardship?
You want creepy? Have you ever been hunted?
What do you think it’s like to be in the womb and be literally hunted by a vacuum aspirator wielding abortionist?
When someone wields absolute power over your life – you want them to be non-judgmental?
Non-judgmental means amoral – lacking in morality – not indicating right or wrongness.
Andrea, your definition of creepy is completely perverted.
But then your definition of perverted is probably also corrupt… ad nauseum.
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You might want to go over the commenting rules.
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Commenting rules:
Do’s
“Criticize ideas, not people.”
Andrea, your ideas (e.g., definition of creepy) are disturbing.
It is creepy for a healthy, sober person to assist a drug addict in shooting up.
It is creepy for a professional film crew to go about their tasks during a porno film shooting.
It is perversely creepy to sit vigil and offer emotional support as a mother kills her child.
Do you understand the pattern?
It is disordered in some way, whenever healthy people encourage and participate in the self-destructive behavior of persons near them.
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Andrea,
I don’t see where Chris violated any of the commenting rules. He criticized your ideas, not you personally.
You have to cut us a little slack here. We’re know beyond the shadow of a doubt that abortion is an evil systematic genocide of such staggering proportions that the human mind simply cannot comprehend the enormity of its devastation on the human family. Among the great crimes of injustice documented in the history of Man, it is the most cruel, barbaric slaughter of innocent defenseless persons. It continues, day after day, in our neighborhoods and amongst our co-workers and friends.
The blood of innocent children flows freely.
So whether your an active participant in this atrocity, like the prison guards at Auschwitz, or just a complacent bystander, allowing evil to flourish while you do nothing…
you will be judged.
We all will…
for our actions, good or bad…
or our passivity.
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DONA certifies birth and postpartum doulas. They do NOT train or certify abortion doulas. This is its own separate group.
http://www.doulaproject.org/history.html
I’ve been aware of them for some time and am sickened. I get that women need support…I get that many women seeking abortion feel scared, trapped, alone, and its a key time to support them. But support them in what??? That the key. It would be much better if they were able to support them to HAVE their babies, and doula them through their pregnancy. As a doula, I will NEVER support this organization. FWIW, I’m a Christian based doula.
The only thing about this group that offers good is that it trains some doulas to serve in miscarriage and/or stillbirth births, which I wholeheartedly agree with. I’ve had 3 losses and now that I’m a doula myself, love working with families who are scared and hurting when birthing their deceased baby. I help facilitate to make sure their process is honored and they have ample time to make memories, as I was fortunate enough to do.
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This makes me feel ill. I wonder how this woman is paid?
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“Great crimes of injustice documented in history..barbaric slaughter of innocent people”…sounds a lot like the wiping out of cultures, tribes, etc. by religious zealots, Christians included, fuelled by the same righteousness reflected in your responses.
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Andrea,
Agreed, false religions have wrecked havoc on humanity for thousands of years. True religion however takes care of widows and orphans, delivers the oppressed, helps victims and does not create them.
True Christians follow Christ’s pattern of sacrificial living and loving…and embrace the life of The Cross.
Any religion that does not offer a living dynamic relationship with the risen, fully alive Lord Jesus Christ is false.
In fact, when Jesus was asked by the religious zealots of His day if they should take up arms against the Romans He chastised them.
Poor phrasing, Andrea, God is Love and He loves you more than you know. He has an awesome plan for your life and has answers for life’s tough questions.
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Andrea, yes, those are horrible injustices as well. I’m not understanding your point. Who here is advocating for the slaughtering of innocent people? Being fueled by righteousness is one thing, being fueled by murderous rage and advocating for a massacre is quite another.
Also, while those injustices are barbaric, at the very least, those people had the ability to defend themselves. Children in the womb don’t even have that chance.
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My point is that with all of your pious references to God is love and true religion taking care of and protecting etc. one could imagine that Jesus himself most certainly would have held that woman’s hand. And the doula’s.
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Andrea, I know He did and does, and also the hand and soul of the poor child murdered in her womb. He hates sin, hates murder, but He doesn’t hate us. He desperately wants us to turn to Him and allow Him to wash us of these horrible sins and burdens. His yoke is easy and His burden is light. He LOVES everyone in that abortion room, EVERYONE, and mourns for the lost souls there knowing that, by their own CHOICE, they will not be with Him in the end unless they repent. He is waiting. God help them. The baby is in His arms, I pray mama repents and can hold him/her one day.
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Stop trying to justify abortion by attacking Christians/Christianity, Andrea. There IS no justification for murdering an innocent baby…period.
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The Oxford Online Dictionary has NO mention of “abortion” in its definition (check for yourself: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/doula?region=us).
Neither does the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doula
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I am not attacking Christianity any more than you are standing behind it to attack this woman and her Doula.
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Andrea says:
June 17, 2011 at 3:00 pm
I am not attacking Christianity any more than you are standing behind it to attack this woman and her Doula.
I looked up the Merriam-Webster and Oxford dictionaries online and provided the links. Neither dictionary had for their definitions of “doula” the word “abortion” mentioned. It’s all pregnancy/childcare support. No mention of abortion support.
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Andrea, there is no need to be a Christian to know that abortion is wrong. The child is a distinct living human being, with its own DNA and separate body. There is no just cause and no one has the right to kill this child, no more than I have the right to kill one of my living children if I don’t want them. See, no religion involved.
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Andrea, are you saying you believe Jesus would have stood by and watched someone kill an innocent child?
Have you ever read the New Testament, out of curiosity?
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Non-judgmental does NOT mean lacking in morals or amoral, as a previous post suggests. It simply means not judging another’s situation. Even the bible says not to judge – a fact that many of the posts here ignore completely.
I have lived long enough to know how little of the world I truly understand. I have four beautiful children, and know that abortion is usually a decision made out of fear and confusion, and is often regretted. Self-righteous judgments made out of hate and ignorance? Would God be pleased with either?
Congratulations on being so certain of your righteousness that you must stand tall on a mountain of those you see fit to judge.
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Rebecca @ 4:56
Do you not make a judgement of us?
How does that plank feel?
You need to read the rest of the passage.
Additionally – this is not about being self-righteous – it’s about what is clearly a horrible injustice being sugar coated with emotional platitudes. It’s about righteousness.
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Rebecca,
You need to read your Bible again. Christians are called to judge:
“Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life!” (1 Cor. 6:2-3).
We are especially called to judge those who claim to follow Christ:
“Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. Drive out the wicked person from among you” (1 Cor. 5:12-13)
What we are NOT supposed to judge is someone else’s eternal destination; that is, the state of their soul. That is something God alone can determine.
Fear and confusion may be reasons for abortion, but they are not excuses. Levels of culpability may vary but abortion is still the unjust killing of an innocent human life.
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JoAnna, to answer your question, I have read the New Testament, many times. Matthew 7-5: “Judge not, that you not be judged…why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?” John 8:7, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a a stone at her.” Are you qualified to throw that stone JoAnna, out of curiosity?
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Pure insanitiy that’s all that comes to mind when I read this quote. “This work that you do is very lovely.” I feel sadness for these two women in the fact that they are truely unaware what they have done.
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phillymiss: This makes me feel ill. I wonder how this woman is paid?
With thirty pieces of silver – or the equivalent.
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“My point is that with all of your pious references to God is love and true religion taking care of and protecting etc. one could imagine that Jesus himself most certainly would have held that woman’s hand. And the doula’s.”—Andrea
Still not understanding how that has anything to do with slaughtering innocent people. I’m just wondering how your original statement is related to this post or any of the comments here. Were you trying to paint everyone here a hypocrite because you assume we’re all Christian and we all took part in the slaughterings you were referring to? That is the only connection I see and even that is faulty because, as it has been stated many times in the time I’ve been following this blog, not everyone here is a Christian and I doubt anyone here has participated in the wiping out of any tribes or cultures.
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So, Andrea, do you think St. Paul was a liar when he told us to judge others? Was he contradicting Jesus in the passages I quoted?
“Judge not…” refers to judging the state of another’s soul, in context. Also, in the story you reference, Jeus told the guilty party to go and sin no more, not “please, do go ahead and kill more innocent children!”
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JoAnna posted what I was going to say (in fewer words) so I’ve deleted my rather lengthy explanation on the subject of not judging others.
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Andrea,
I think some clarification is in order – details on why I responded to you the way I did.
When Planned Parenthood uses the term “birth control”, most think contraception, but that is inaccurate, because they explicitly include abortion as “birth control” – to avoid natural birth at the completion of gestation.
Medically, every known conception – every child, is legally recorded, as well as the status of that child through birth – however that occurs. A woman can’t unconcieve her child, and so the child must always be born.
A vacuum aspiration – an abortion, is an actual birth.
The 12-14 week old child, torn apart using suction and a sharp edged cannula must be carefully reassembled piece by piece – sort of like how they reconstruct a plane after a crash to study what happened.
This reconstruction is necessary because all parts of the child must be present – the abortionist cannot leave any part behind in the uterus, it will cause an infection. Not only will he hunt the living child, but also every single piece of that child’s body.
So abortion is not merely the removal of a pregnancy – it is a severely, and highly detailed controlled birth – thus “birth control”.
Please go to http://www.ehd.org to see the developed 12 week old child.
Abortionists wait until the child is this developed so they can see all the body parts.
The service that Miriam performs is profoundly offensive, not because she attempts to be compassionate towards the woman, but because she’s so inhumane to the child, as well as polluting the social relations for a natural birth.
Consider what you said:
To whom are you referring, alone and unsupported?
Who’s missing Andrea?
See, you avoided the 12 week old child. You are wishing she be left alone, completely unsupported while going through the most severe hardship of her short life – being hunted and violently shredded by a trained killer who was hired by the parents that completely rejected her. Utterly and completely alone.
Your request we be non-judgmental basically is a call for us to “shut-up” – to say this perversion of life is neither right or wrong. In other words, to stop any support for the child at all!
My response was an attempt to open your eyes – to make you empathize with the child, but admittedly I went too far. You thought you were being attacked – which means you immediately focused on yourself, and didn’t even consider the child.
I firmly believe there are only 2 worldviews. Both are diametrically opposed to each other, and yet we continually waiver between the two:
– do unto others as you would have them do unto you
– might makes right (absolute power wielded for self)
The second, self-focused worldview completely avoids the very thing the first one demands – that we give up all we have so others might benefit. That’s love.
Self love is really no love at all.
Miriam needs love, but then again, so does the child she chooses to ignore.
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“Any religion that does not offer a living dynamic relationship with the risen, fully alive Lord Jesus Christ is false”
Once again, the religious intolerance of the pro-life movment is demonstrated. Once again, we see why non-Christians, particularly Jews, are not attracted to the pro-life movement. Once again, the overwhelming Christian orientation of the pro-life movement is shown.
Ed is saying that Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Mormonism, and Unitarianism (which our founder John Adams followed) are false religions. (Obviously, to the pro-life Christians, those Christian denominations that are pro-choice are apostate.) And while these folks don’t practice Christianity, they don’t claim that it is a “false religion.” And I thought the Inquisition ended years ago!
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CC, like I said before, there is no need to be a Christian to be pro-life. And lol, most of those religions claim that other religions are false. Maybe Buddhism is an exception, but for the most part they are all certain they are the “one true religion.” And most of them are pretty pro-life.
And Inquisition? Really? You are comparing people expressing their political views and trying to protect the rights of a class of people that are not protected by law to a bunch of persecution and murder?
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I, personally, as a pro-life Roman Catholic Christian don’t think bad of the Jews. I respect them as the foundation of the Christian Church–Jesus was a Jew and He was a very good Jew. The Christian foundation is rooted in many Jewish traditions that were fulfilled through Christ’s life, death, Resurrection and Ascension and the descent of the Holy Spirit. Christianity is the fullfillment of the Jewish faith because we are no longer waiting for the Messiah, we have the Messiah. So I don’t look at the Jewish faith as a false faith, but rather by not being Christian, not having the fullfillment of their faith. But I don’t look down on them. I respect them and I admire the richness of the traditions and growing up we honored those traditions by having a Sedar (Passover) meal. It was one of the ways I was taught how Christianity fullfills the Jewish faith and it helped me feel closer to Christ doing what He did at the Last Supper (well, I don’t recall us singing any hymns during the Sedar, but we did read the Last Supper account, I believe from the Gospel of John).
On and off in my life I have met Jewish people–I don’t know many, but that’s not because I look down on them, I don’t, I just don’t know very many personally.
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“And most of them are pretty pro-life”
Reformed Jews are pro-choice which is why the majority of American Jews are pro-choice. The Japanese (Shinto and Buddhists) legalized abortion long before it was done in the US. While the religion of Hinduism is pro-life, it is an accepted cultural practice. Islam accepts abortion up to a point in foetal development. None of these religions claime to be the “one true faith.” That’s actually what the Catholic church teaches about itself. The type of statement made by Ed, about false religions, is exactly what inspired the Inquisition and the Crusades as it justified the persecution of non-Catholics by the Catholic Church. Having the wrong faith was also used to persecute English dissidents from the Anglican Church and, in the American colonies, Quakers.
One could say that the anti-choice movement has a similar mind set to the Inquisition as it believes that it’s view is correct and should be imposed on all.
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“So I don’t look at the Jewish faith as a false faith, but rather by not being Christian, not having the fullfillment of their faith”
While your view is sincerely held and comes from a positive place, it is very offensive to Jews who do not believe that Jesus is the fullfillment of their faith. But that you are willing to learn about their faith is commendable.
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Borsch,
As a former Buddhist, yes they claim all the other “ways” are false. They say “All is vanity.” Except of course for Buddha’s path! *lol* Oops! “religious intolerance” again ;p
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Many critics try to use issues such as the Crusades, the Inquisition or just run of the mill hypocrisy as trump cards against Christianity. If people did the opposite of what the Bible teaches then at worst they were not Christians and at best they were, at least temporarily, bad ambassadors for Christ. Those issues are serious, of course, but they have zero impact on whether the Bible is true and whether Jesus is the the only way to forgiveness of your sins, reconciliation with God and to eternal life.
Another possible response is to say that you’ll take responsibility for the thousands of people killed by “Christians” provided that the atheists take responsibility for the one-hundred million plus killed by Lenin, Mao Tse-Tung, Hitler and others.
Mainline Christian denominations have caved on important Biblical concepts regarding sexuality – easy divorce, promiscuity, abortion and various perversions. They abandoned essentials of the faith such as the deity, exclusivity and sufficiency of Christ as well. They have grossly misinterpreted the Bible, but that doesn’t mean Christianity isn’t true. It means people have drifted from or abandoned Biblical teachings.
…..you don’t judge an ideology based on the actions of those who violate its tenets.
http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/what-about-the-crusades-and-the-inquistion-etc/
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CC,
“None of these religions claime to be the “one true faith.””
You “commend” Mother In Texas for learning more about the Jewish faith and yet demonstrate your EXTREME ignorance of the main tenants of all the faiths you name by claiming they don’t claim to be the one true way! Haha! Hypocrisy calling others hypocrites…… Kettle, meet Pot!
Do some research, (Kettle, meet Google) read their scriptures (as I have), then get back to us and have an educated debate…. :))
Geeeez! I really shouldn’t be laughing so hard! Ignorance is not funny…… but it’s like you said that on purpose as a joke on hypocrisy. Thinking you were serious though is very sobering :(
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“Reformed Jews are pro-choice which is why the majority of American Jews are pro-choice. The Japanese (Shinto and Buddhists) legalized abortion long before it was done in the US.”
A lot of Jews are pro-life, the more traditionally religious ones especially. Buddhism traditionally is respectful of all human life, including the unborn. Japan didn’t start legalizing abortion until it started its move toward secularization.
” Islam accepts abortion up to a point in foetal development.”
Some sects do, some don’t. They generally need a darn good excuse for abortion in traditional Islamic societies, not abortion on demand.
None of these religions claime to be the “one true faith.”
Haha! That’s too funny. I suggest you actually read up on them.
“That’s actually what the Catholic church teaches about itself.”
As most other denominations of Christianity do, and other religions as well. Catholics don’t have the monopoly on claims to truth.
” The type of statement made by Ed, about false religions, is exactly what inspired the Inquisition and the Crusades as it justified the persecution of non-Catholics by the Catholic Church. Having the wrong faith was also used to persecute English dissidents from the Anglican Church and, in the American colonies, Quakers.”
Your point? Every faith has at least some history of religious persecution either against other or towards itself. It means nothing about those practicing it today. Well, you could make an argument against Islam for persecution, seeing how they treat those of other faiths in Muslim majority countries (except for the more secularized ones).
I am not a fan of religion, but generally I don’t make up random things to justify disliking it. And again, you don’t need to be a Christian or have any religion to oppose abortion.
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CC, your erroneous understanding of the inquisition and the crusades -what they were about, what really happened, and how they started -is laughable. Perpetuating myths of a whole religion to discredit another person’s point only serves to discredit your own, due to the fact that it shows you don’t know what you are talking about.
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CC Said: While your view is sincerely held and comes from a positive place, it is very offensive to Jews who do not believe that Jesus is the fullfillment of their faith. But that you are willing to learn about their faith is commendable
I’m well aware that Jews don’t believe Jesus is the fullfillment of their faith. I can’t do anything about the fact that they’re insulted by my beliefs other than say I’m sorry they’re insulted. But I’m not giving up my Roman Catholic Christian beliefs. And, yes, despite what I believe–or rather, because of what I believe, I do respect the Jewish faith most deeply.
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CC,
Actually there are other Catholic Denominations aside from the Catholic Church who believe they’re right and others are wrong. Maybe not all of them believe this, but some of them do. They may not say it outright, but there are those (who are not Catholic) who do believe that.
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