1662 pro-slavery law sounds remarkably pro-abortion
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoSYSqs8His&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]This law says that an organization, another entity, or another individual can determine your worth before you’re even born….
Where does that exist today in our society? Who said it?
Abortion.
Derived from the same mindset as the law that sanctioned and recognized the institution of slavery, the ultimate form of tyranny.
~ Tea Party activist, author, and motivational speaker Frantz Kebreau comparing a 1662 slave law to current abortion legislation via his Facebook page, August 8
(Check out his wife’s updated pro-life clothing line at Life Rocks)
Aug.10, 2011 6:00 am |
Human Life Amendment, Social Justice |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Comparing abortion and slavery has been used as a valid tactic since the early days of the Right to Life movement. And it is a valid comparison. In 1984 Dr. John C. Wilke wrote and published a little book, ABORTION AND SLAVERY: HISTORY REPEATS. Both the slave and the preborn child are denied personhood and the rights thereof.
The slavery analogy would be wayyy more credible if it came from people who had firmer anti-racist credentials than Tea Party members tend to have. Prolifers should never use it unless accompanied or preceded by a full repertoire of deeds proving a comprehensive commitment to dismantling white privilege & racism before, during, & after birth.
Marysia,
Suppose all pro-lifers are terrible racists. How does it follow that the slavery analogy is not credible? Or suppose that a black person makes the slavery analogy. Does it them become credible? How does the disposition of someone making an argument affect the validity of their argument if their argument is making some sort of objective rather than subjective claim?
Abortion IS slavery.
2 +2 = 4 would be WAAAAY more credible if my math teacher were of the same political party as… oh wait!
At least the slave gets to see daylight, and the life has not been snuffed out by mom because of inconvenience, bad timing or [fill in the blank].
Why they never think of the consequence of a baby while having sex, I have yet to hear an intelligent response. Still acting like dumb animals :(
My point, Maryasia, is that a fact is a fact. A fact is not made more or less credible by the people who mention it.
And that “privilege” business, that’s what we call liberal white guilt. Most of us living in America today, statistically, are not descended from slave masters. Even if I personally were a great great great grandchild of a slave owner, I can still tell you that abortion is murder, because it is! A new human life begins at conception. That’s science, not political party this or that. Science. Biology. Facts. They’re on our side.
Progressives feel guilty about white privilege? Well then, stop pushing policies that undermine the family headed by a husband and wife.
None of your policies have done the descendants of slaves any good in this country; rather your attitude that the government can do a better job than parents has pushed the black male out of his children’s lives. Just an observation – from looking at the data of the last 45 years.
And now, there are white progressives telling me that black women tell them that “marriage is seen as ‘white'”. Marysia, is that how black Americans see marriage? Are you black enough to speak for black people?
“Marriage is seen as white” — is that meant in a “oh, so we can’t be doing that” sense?
If so, that’s miserably racist and — worse — stupid of whatever black women are spouting such utter nonsense.
So identity politics has come to the point where if a white person doesn’t cut off their hand, minorities will feel obliged to, themselves, merely to avoid acting white. It’s INSANE.
For what it’s worth, I’ve seen this as well in a Mexican “family” of close acquaintance (a matriarchal clan with many children of many men who themselves butterfly to other women outside the clan). They’re actually proud of this arrangement — as if their madness were a hallmark of the most sensible possibly application of carefully considered social science.
It seems as if everything that ought to be a source of shame and self-assessment, can be twisted into astonishing hubris, wherein vice is called virtue and virtue vice. Moral inversion in this world never ceases to amaze.
Watching the children in this kind of “family” is enough to make ya cry. The moms go our clubbin’ while the TV babysits the kids. And the eldest of the clan — no older than 30 herself, and a grandmother at that — is the most celebratory of this lifestyle of them all. How many sugar daddies has she? Hard to say. But the kids have no daddies at all — and what men are about are visible from child height only through the bottom of a Corona bottle.
All illegal aliens, none reporting income, most receiving full state aid.
I infer from what I know from close-up, and what I see at a distance elsewhere, that this is not as rare a thing as anyone with sense would hope. Alas.
Heh. Slavery destroyed families until they were just about as crazily ‘structed.
Ninek:
2 +2 = 4 would be WAAAAY more credible if my math teacher were of the same political party as… oh wait!
EXACTLY!
Marisya:
firmer anti-racist credentials than Tea Party members tend to have.
Those credentials have been unfairly and untruthfully applied to the Tea Party Movement by an MSM whose agenda stands in stark contrast to that group. It is not based in truth and so has no bearing whatsoever on that groups true “credentials” or “credibility”.
accompanied or preceded by a full repertoire of deeds proving a comprehensive commitment to dismantling white privilege & racism before, during, & after birth.
And your “repertoire” is posted where? I need to see it before I lend any “credence” to anything you have to say at all.
Geez. Are you the type of person who responds to someone who says, “Ugh, I hab a derrible code.” with, “Can I see your Phd? Doctorate of medicine? Documentation of residency? Don’t have it? Then you have no right to say you have a cold.” You only discuss gardening with licensed and accredited horticulturists and botanists who have studied in their fields for a minimum amount of time you deem acceptable? Do you only read biographies written by the apes themselves than believe anything Jane Goodall has to say, after all, she’s not an ape, what does she know? I mean seriously, you don’t realize how ridiculous and biased your demand is?
Also, how RACIST of you to imply I should feel guilty or bad about my race or the color of my skin! I have nothing to be ashamed of. I have no obligation to go to work to further the RACIST cause of “white guilt” and self punishment for what? Being white. I have nothing to feel guilty for. I make do with what I have without blaming ANYONE for my limitations. If you are so concerned with the Black condition in this country, maybe you attended the NAACP commemoration of the 50th anniversary of Brown v Board of education? Maybe the melanin level’s of Bill Cosby’s skin (soooo racist to even consider that) will satisfy your racist perquisites for having an opinion on black poverty, black populations in prison, lack of parenting, and the self-destructive culture at large in Black society? Here’s his opinion:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/billcosbypoundcakespeech.htm
He says over and over again, LACK OF PARENTING. And what has enabled and encouraged these families to be single parent house holds? What makes it easy for fathers to just walk away? Maybe the fact that pregnancy has been taken wholey out of the father’s hands? He “has no right to the woman’s body”? So he sees no reason or why as to what the child growing in his girlfriend’s belly has to do with him. She can just kill it. He has no rights. He can just walk away. It’s HER body. Right? Cosby sees it. It’s quite clear what’s at work in the black community and destroying their once strong family centered culture.
“You’re going to embarrass your family.” If you knock that girl up, you’re going to have to run away because it’s going to be too embarrassing for your family. In the old days, a girl getting pregnant had to go down South, and then her mother would go down to get her. But the mother had the baby. I said the mother had the baby. The girl didn’t have a baby. The mother had the baby in two weeks. We are not parenting.”
He spells it out. He says, “We cannot blame white people. White people — White people don’t live over there.“
Also dear Marysia,
You, who so clearly care sooooo much for the black population in this country might want to look into an actual racist institution built for the oppression and destruction of the black race. Maybe point your righteous anger in the right direction, because I assure you, it is not this conspiracy theory you believe it is, but a carefully constructed goal oriented industry.
Maafa 21
http://www.youtube.com/user/Maafa21Documentary
And don’t worry. They meet all racist qualifications for having an opinion on the matter.
abortion is slavery to all my
husband is orthodox Jewish and just couldn’t believe that any Jewish women would dare support abortion i had to educate him and even explain to him that there was a Holocaust survivor performing abortions in Canada and the late Bernard Nathanson he just couldn’t seem to believe it. he said. “how could the Jews. do this especially after the Holocaust “??
many African Americans have a great understanding of black genocide and sadly many others don’t believe it i heard on the news that billboards were protested in Chicago when they exposed black genocide
I agree with Marysia.
For one, I would like to point out that “white privilege” does not mean that all people of Anglo descent (and yes I know that “Anglo” and “white” do not mean the same thing exactly, but I use Anglo because it is the generally accepted term for lack of a better word) should feel guilty for what someone who happens to be the same ethnic group did two hundred years ago. After all, I cannot think of a single ethnic group, “white” or not, that has not gone to war with another group or discriminated against another group. It happens often.
What white privilege refers to is the fact that certain ethnic groups have fewer problems with poverty, have better standards of education, have lower rates of infant mortality, etc. These ethnic groups fall under the blanket of what we call Anglo. I do not believe that most white privilege is intentional- after all, no baby decides what social class or ethnic group to be born into. In fact, what separates white privilege from racism is the fact that racism is intentional oppression and white privilege is largely rooted in lack of awareness. In our society, we tend to hold standards of what’s good versus what’s bad based on the Anglo American experience- for example, standards of beauty are generally Anglo standards. I read recently about what shape nose, for example, is considered beautiful. People were polled to identify from pictures the most beautiful nose. By and large, the nose identified was distinctive to European cultures. Noses like mine, which have a large bump on them, were considered unattractive (apparently, I’m a good candidate for a nose job, but I like my nose); noses that were wider were considered unattractive. This is not intentional racism in that most people were not aware that these nose shapes were influenced by one’s ethnic background- people weren’t saying outright, “White people are prettier.” But society has established Anglo features as more aesthetically appealing. Now, white privilege does relate to beauty norms, though it does refer more to financial stability and educational opportunities, but I think that you get the point.
The fact is that throughout the nation Anglos enroll in college more often, are less likely to live below the poverty line, are more likely to have access to medical care, and so on and so forth. What Marysia was referring to was not saying, “Shut up, white people!” It was simply saying that we must change all of this. There is no reason that one ethnic group should be given an advantage over others, even if it is not intentional. Like I said, no one decides who they are born to. You don’t have reason to feel guilty unless you refuse to acknowledge this privilege and won’t work to dismantle it- always, always work for social justice.
To do this we all need to develop the necessary vocabulary to tackle these issues. We need to take note of African American experiences from as many sources as possible. We need to understand how ethnicity plays out politically today. Because like it or not, tying abortion to slavery might come across as lack of awareness. Unless you are prepared to offer up a very detailed bullet list as to why the two are cut from the same cloth of social injustice- complete with the vocabulary necessary to discuss all of the nuances of social justice from the perspectives of race/ethnicity, gender, and social class- don’t make the comparison. I have faith that plenty of pro-life people are capable of having these nuanced discussions, however. Just work to dismantle any social injustice while you have these conversations with pro-choice men and women.
Actually, that sounds more like a Prolife statement, you are the ones equating value to an zygote/embryo/fetus. BTW African Slave Women brought remedy contraceptives and abortifants with them from Africa. They used them to try from bringing more children into slavery. Especially used when they were raped by their “Christian” Masters
Sorry Vannah. There’s really no polite way to describe how ridiculous that “white privilege” theory is. The entire theory is racist. Against blacks mainly. Secondly to whites. Just racist all around.
Have you ever read the writers of the American eugenics movement? Everything you just wrote is like an inverted mirror image of everything they’ve written. Except where they say that “… average Negros possess too little intellect, self reliance, and self control, to make it possible for them to sustain the burden of any respectable civilization without a large measure of external guidance and support.” -Francis Galton 1873
You say (to the effect of) “Whites naturally have higher standards of living and make better social choices than blacks. We should feel guilty about that and change it.” Or worse yet, “We should make it a point out of our white supremacy to reach down and lift the lowly negro up out of the poverty our choice’s for ourselves put him in.” or somehowever that works in lala land.
So instead of it being their own fault out of their inferiority that they are poor and less privileged, it’s our fault for our own superiority and privilege that they are poor and less privileged. Inverted, but still racist.
You can apply this quote by a former slave who educated himself and lifted himself up out of slavery and poverty to better his and his enslaved brothers standard of living to todays culture of welfare and “social justice” hand-me-ups from guilt ridden white elitists:
Frederick Douglas 1862
“What shall be done with the four million slaves if they are emancipated? This question has been answered and can be answered in many ways. Primarily it is a question less for man than for God, less for human intellect than for the laws of nature to solve. Our answer is; do nothing with them. Mind your business and let them mind theirs. Your doing with them is their greatest misfortune. They have been undone by your doings and all they now ask and really have need of at your hands is just to let them alone!”
The fact is that throughout the nation Anglos enroll in college more often, are less likely to live below the poverty line, are more likely to have access to medical care, and so on and so forth.
It was simply saying that we must change all of this. There is no reason that one ethnic group should be given an advantage over others, even if it is not intentional.
So from this I can only conclude that I must stop making such good choices for myself. We must discourage whites from seeking higher education. We must stop whites from buying health insurance. We must stop whites from getting jobs and working hard for their salaries which they then use to purchase homes in nice neighborhoods. This is “white privilege” and a social ill in need of “social justice”. You don’t realize at all how racist that is? Or do you rather intend that instead of my lowering my standards of living I instead make it a point, out of my arrogant white supremacy to lower my lily white hand to my poor feeble minded black cousin and lift him up because he can’t possibly do it himself? You don’t realize how racist THAT is either????? The entire post was so racist. I can’t even begin to describe it!
I think that was a good post, Vannah.
Vannah: Talk of “social justice” bothers me — a lot — when I never hear the words “liberality” or “mercy.”
Justice is not about who has how much. Justice is about whether a thing is actually mine, or yours. If I have a thousand times as much property as you, that’s not obviously unjust. In fact, it would be unjust for you to expect me to give you anything. Indeed from a Christian standpoint it would be a sin for you to seek that. That’s covetousness and envy — or theft, if you act on it to obtain what is mine.
On the other hand, my disproportionate status may well be a failure of liberality, or of mercy.
Referring to this as a “justice” problem runs a risk of inculcating actual unjust attitudes — especially by the poor, who may come to believe that they are entitled to what is mine — that some proportion of what I only think is mine, is actually and rightfully theirs. A common reaction to this among some wealthy is to adopt illiberal or merciless attitudes.
Confusing justice with mercy or liberality is a tremendously perilous thing.
I am obliged to respect other people’s property — that it is theirs and they are free to do as they wish with it. However, I am FREE to transgress the boundaries of what belongs to them and me, in just this way: I may take what is mine and give it to them.
My obligation is to take nothing. My free choice is to give if I wish. The former is justice, the latter is liberality or mercy.
(I’m not denying — merely not considering, above — other senses of justice, such as whether there’s discrimination in hiring or housing, whether native Americans are marched off from their ancestral lands to settle in crummy areas, and so forth)
Doggonit, too late for an edit. I was going to add that when government takes property to benefit the poor, it both (a) reduces the assets available for the taxed party to be generous with directly, and (b) reduces the number of people standing in need of generosity. If that’s not true, that means government isn’t effective. So if it’s true, that means that virtue among the wealthy is not encouraged by heavy-handed taxation. Of course, it also means that there will be an impetus toward increased taxation when the rich are not generous, to the extent that covetousness and envy motivate citizens to direct their representatives to “spread the wealth around.” But this is not virtue in action on either side, but sin. To imagine that this is “progress” is folly.
Precisely at issue in our politics nowadays is what it means when we end up with a class who’ve become satisfied with dependence on the government and therefore support still more government largess (at the expense of others) , and what it means to have no mediating institutions, so that the individual is naked before the State.
In a nutshell, we get what we deserve. If we’re not generous, we’ll be plundered for taxes by those who are covetous. And if we’re covetous and plunder via taxes, we’ll hear the rich say “I pay my taxes, go see the government if you need help.”
The only solution I know of is for the poor to be just (respect the property of the rich) and for the rich to be liberal/merciful (which is a difficult art, respecting the dignity of the poor).
Jack,
Thank you. :)
Rasqual,
I think that you are mistaking the acknowledgment of white privilege with socialism. I do not covet your material items. Furthermore, even if I did want those tangible objects that you have, you can’t assume that that means that therefore white privilege does not exist. Envious behaviors are not limited to a single ethnic group. I think that we can both agree that you can be any ethnicity, any economic class even, and still be jealous. We can both be rich but I can still be jealous of your car or I can even be jealous of intangible things like love- I can be jealous if you are happily married and I am trapped in a dull union.
The solution to white privilege is not to take everything that the Hiltons have and redistribute it to people of Hispanic descent. That is a strange solution indeed, and temporary, since it doesn’t fix the underlying problem:
The roots of white privilege run deep. There is still systematic racism in America, though thankfully it is fought and won on many levels. When we had institutions such as slavery, we could obviously say that we were a systematically racist nation. Now, there are remnants of systematic oppression that are left in the form of unintentional privilege.
One of these privileges is lower rates of infant mortality. African Americans have higher rates of infant mortality and higher rates of abortion than Anglo Americans. There are a lot of factors that go into this, but largely there are economic factors. Statistically, you are more likely to be born into poverty if you are African American or Hispanic or Native American. Wanting to change this is not covetous or wrong. A life where your children don’t have to worry about higher rates of violence in the community, or where educational standards are not met (schools from wealthier districts offer more opportunities and see more students going on to further their educations) is not any one ethnic group’s entitlement. No one owns that. It’s not “what’s mine.” It’s what is ours as human beings.
I think that that is where most people make the mistake in white privilege: deciphering the difference between “Gimme your money!” and “I do not wish to be handed less opportunities because I am Hispanic or female and we are living in the remnants of previous systematic institutions of oppression.”
Bah. New Jersey pours more money into their school systems than any other state in the country. They’ve even set up a system that funnels money into poor districts schools ensuring they have the exact same funding as richer districts. And still every school in the state (including the “privileged” white dominated schools) are failing miserably. It’s not a “privilege” problem, a “race” problem, or a “money” problem. It’s a cultural problem.
I can see a concern with poverty. I can see a concern with violence and gangs. I can see a concern with crime. But when you inject accusatory terms like “white privilege” into the discussion than you are injecting racism. There are a great deal of impoverished whites in this country living in the same neighborhoods and going to the same schools as impoverished blacks. They are dealing with the same crime, addiction, and gang rates. When looked at in the big picture it is clear race has nothing to do with “privilege” or poverty. It’s a cultural problem. It crosses racial boundaries. It’s bigger than that. And white guilt tactics solve nothing. Belittling victimization of blacks and minorities solves nothing.
“White privilege” implies that all whites are living high in suburbs driving H2’s and making 6 figures while all blacks are poor and forgotten, living in squalor, committing violent crimes like it’s some dumb animal instinct like too many rats in a cage.
Racist. Prejudiced. And even suggesting that my birth to a white family was some accidental social crime so it’s ok not to feel guilty about it as long as I do something to somehow change it (commit suicide perhaps???) is offensive and racist. If you turn that around and tell a black person their unfortunate birth to a black family wasn’t their fault so they don’t have to feel guilty…… You would deserve the punch in the throat that would get you! It’s racist.
We are already working on social justice here. Every one of us who speaks out against the 60% abortion rate in the black population and points out their demographic drop in the last 10yrs is fighting for social justice. THAT’S “systematic racism”. If that’s what you wanna fight go after PP. Instead of everyone with low melanin levels who dares choose to work their way through college and start a career. I know a few well educated blacks, shall I inform them they are guilty of “white privilege” and better return their diplomas and commit their lives to community organizing?
Seriously Vannah, I’m sorry if I blew up last night, I was angry and quick to type. I can imagine that your concern for people living in poverty (in general I hope not just targeting one race) is genuine. But tying their condition to the fact that others not in their situation are not in their situation makes no sense. It’s like Hitler blaming the Jews for the recession in Germany. Makes no sense on it’s face, but inject enough racism and ahhhhhh, now it all makes sense!
“I do not wish to be handed less opportunities because I am Hispanic or female and we are living in the remnants of previous systematic institutions of oppression.”
There’s nothing wrong with that statement. The person making that statement, who is apparently looking for opportunities, will find them. There are foundations, scholarships, grants, affirmative action, etc. Minorities no longer have an excuse. Why the 50% drop out rate for blacks? Naturally that allows for fewer minority kids to enter college since dropping out generally demonstrates a disinterest in education. Why the disinterest? Race? The assumption that most whites don’t drop out? (stats please). No. It’s culture. The opportunities are there, who is taking them? Generally whites? Is it BECAUSE they are white? No. No more than blacks are uneducated BECAUSE they are black (racist). It is a self destructive culture. The same self-destructive culture Bill Cosby and many other black and latino leaders have pointed out. Solve that, and not my whiteness, and you will see an improvement in the standards of impoverished people. Things will change. One of the ways to do that is rebuild the family broken by abortion, divorce, single motherhood, and run off/dead beat dads.
Wow, Vannah. Every post you have made in this thread is just wonderful and amazing. And very thought-provoking, also. Thank you. ;)
Great post TheChristianHippie. Your points are very valid and well documented by Star Parker in her books Uncle Sam’s Plantation and White Ghetto (which discusses your point of how inner city decay has come to white suburbia) due to “divorce, abortion, single motherhood, deadbeat dads” etc. like you stated.