City providing free overflow parking for abortion clinic at public library
Several weeks ago pro-lifer Michele Herzog of Pro-Life Action Ministries began noticing deathscorts at the All Women’s Health Center abortion clinic in Altamonte Springs, FL (near Orlando), directing cars to park elsewhere when their lot was full.
Pro-lifers estimate the mill kills between 10-25 babies a day.
Herzog followed the cars and saw they were all parking 2-1/2 blocks away at the Altamonte Springs Public Library. Click aerial photo, right, to enlarge.
Several questions immediately emerged.
Did city officials know about this? Were local zoning ordinances being flouted – with the city’s help? Were other businesses allowed to use the library for overflow parking? Would the city be liable if aborting mothers fell, got hit by a car, or were otherwise injured on the long trek to and from their cars, particularly post-operatively? (Pro-lifers observed the abortion mill does not provide shuttle service for aborting mothers either coming or going.)
After librarians told Herzog the decision about parking was the City’s, she went to City Hall and was told officials had to discuss the matter.
Michele received a call from a police lieutenant several hours later, saying city officials had decided to take a “neutral” position, allowing the status quo.
“He told me if they stopped women from parking in the library parking lot they would be choosing sides and giving in to us,” Michele wrote me in an email. “I politely responded, ‘This isn’t about taking sides, this is about an abortion clinic using a library parking lot paid for by taxpayers to be used for the library.’ I told him that by taking this ‘neutral’ position, the city had chosen a side.”
Herzog and her team of pro-lifers are no wilting flowers. Last week they staged a protest at the library, with everyone parking their cars at the library, including a Truth Truck. I love these people!
Police showed up and said the pro-lifers had to move their cars and the Truth Truck or their vehicles would be towed.
But this was obviously an unneutral position, which Michele called them on. Officers responded that the city was no longer allowing the abortion mill to let overflow vehicles park at the library, but Michele said she needed to verify this. She called Assistant City Manager Mark Butler, who told her the officer was incorrect. Here’s video of the scene…
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I also called Butler, who told me the city does indeed have zoning ordinances and also carries liability insurance. As for the abortion mill, he told me, “I’m not aware that the abortion clinic sends cars to the library.”
I said that if he were made aware, would he do anything about it?
“The parking is for the public, so if they’re the public, they have the right to park there,” Butler responded.
Meanwhile, in thousands of libraries across the land are the signs, “Parking for library patrons only.”
The city has taken an untenable position. If abortion clinic patrons can park at the library, so can pro-lifers. And they plan to, along with the Truth Truck, as long as Altamonte officials remain “neutral” by subsidizing the local abortion mill.
Pro-lifers will not let this one go. There is a City Commission Meeting tonight at City Hall, located at 225 Newburyport Avenue, which pro-lifers plan to attend to make their voices heard. All interested in making public comments must be in the building no later than 6:50p.
Stay tuned.
[HT: Carder]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
they need to stop and residents in orlando need to speak up. these women emerge from these mills vomiting doubled over in pain and many leave in an ambulance. we used to park at chickfila (sp?) a so called “christian resturant” when we were protesting planned parenthood. pro deathers called the cops so many times to make a stink they told us to stop. we had their permission and they caved. i dont eat there anymore. i was getting out of my car there one time when thkis guy backed up from the drive through. he only did so when he saw my huge sign of a severed baby head. he said “miss i want you to know im calling the cops on you” i lol and replied “you must have me confused with someone who gives a damn”
So, they are going to park a “Truth Truck” in front of a city library where kids go to read Nancy Drew and listen to story time after school… What does it matter where people park? It is all just the means to an end for you people and just forget anyone you might hurt in the process…
This is pure harassment. If it was any other business in the city it would be no problem. You should not be able to do this under free speech. You’re not just voicing your political opinion but rather trying to bully and scheme your way around a federally protected law. You are trying to put these businesses under through scare tactics… This is not protesting it is pure harassment and intimidation.
biggz cant we park the truck where we want? i thought you were for choice.
In regard to Biggz’ statement, “You should not be able to do this under free speech,” I thank God our founding fathers saw things differently. As for children being hurt, abortion is the ultimate child abuse. The man in the video hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that the people at the library were upset about born children seeing graphic pictures, but where is their anger over the unborn babies being ripped to shreds?
Biggz,
So you fully support your tax dollars going toward, say, overflow parking for a crisis pregnancy center, should they need city-owned land for that purpose? What if it were a church that needed the extra parking – you’d be okay with your tax dollars going for that, too?
I, for one, would strenuously object to my tax dollars being used to pay for an abortion facility’s upkeep in any way, shape, or form. As a city taxpayer, my local library is partially funded by me — and that includes their parking lot. They can return my money if they’re going to use it to subsidize parking for those who wish to kill children.
Heather’s absolutely right – if the city’s position is going to be, “Anybody can use that parking lot for any purpose,” then pro-lifers have that right too.
It is all just the means to an end for you people and just forget anyone you might hurt in the process…
Did you really just write what I think you wrote?
Yes, Biggz, I would do all I could to harrass people who kill other people. Yes. That would be the right thing to do.
Bah! Biggz, if “think of the children!!!” is going to be part of your objection to the pro-lifers using the library parking lot, then why don’t you object to what they might see from the abortion clinic customers? When I was a kid dragged along to these protests, the crying, unhappy, and sometimes aggressive women and men coming from the clinic were at least as traumatizing as the aborted fetus photos and yelling that came from the pro-life protesters. One woman who had an abortion, and was leaving with her husband, spit on me and told me I could go to hell with my parents. I couldn’t have been more than six. If your objection to this really is to protect children, then you really have to consider both sides.
I think both groups should stay the heck out of the library parking lot, but as long as one group is allowed, it’s discriminatory and blatantly ideological to prevent the other from doing the same.
Kel,
He did. Go figure. I had to read it twice…
“It is all just the means to an end for you people and just forget anyone you might hurt in the process…”
Biggz, you are right. The end does not justify the means.
“This is not protesting it is pure harassment and intimidation.”
Define harassment, define intimidation, define protesting. Show us how you apply these concepts to this situation.
Great work, Michele!
yeah if you really want to see the pro death crowd scream bloody murder go protest in the suburbs. i promise you that you will meet demons and converse with the devil himself. i always pray for safety and have only really felt true fear once. i prayed harder. lord stand here with me. i am afraid. the fear left.
Heathber – I have the choice to stick a curling iron up my nose but that doesn’t make it a good idea…
Jeanne Gawdun – Protesting is free speech, this is harassment and intimidation.
Joanna – No I do not like my tax dollars going to help any CPC but there are taxpaying citizens that do and I am fine with that. I understand that my tax dollars go into a huge pot and are no longer mine to control.
Kel – Yes I did. You don’t care how many children you traumatize just so long as we save the fetuses… 2 wrongs don’t make a right Kel. You see I have no feelings for a fetus but we all care about children. What gives you the right to traumatize someone else’s child?
Courtnay – Would you harass someone walking into a hospital for a cancer surgery? Because that is what you are doing, you are harassing someone on their way to have a medical procedure approved by the American medical assoc. performed by a licensed doctor in a women health center…
Jack – You said it yourself, you were dragged along by your parents to put your nose in someone else’s business. That’s why you got yelled at. Nobody came to your school and forced those things on you, but you would park a “BS truck” in front of a library to traumatize other people’s children who were not dragged there by their own parents… You would have never been yelled at any Pro-choice people had your parents not put you there.
RCJC – Protesting outside of a clinic is free speech. Trying to force the city council to change their minds by traumatizing someone else’s children is not. This story has been going for a while now and every time this clinic gets someone to grant them overflow parking space this anti-choice group harasses them until they change their minds. So, now they get the city to help them out and they start harassing the city council. These are bully tactics and in no way democratic.
Biggz, if you believe you have no say in where your tax dollars go, and for what purpose they’re used, then you have no idea what democracy is.
Kel – Yes I did. You don’t care how many children you traumatize just so long as we save the fetuses… 2 wrongs don’t make a right Kel. You see I have no feelings for a fetus but we all care about children. What gives you the right to traumatize someone else’s child?
If fetuses are of no consequence and their deaths do not matter, then what’s the big deal? Why would the photos traumatize anyone, let alone children?
If you have no feelings for a fetus, then why not assume children will have no feelings, either? Unless you believe that children know something about fetuses that you don’t.
If, however, your fear is that children will recognize the fetus as A HUMAN CHILD, then I think you should ask yourself why that’s a problem.
You can’t have it both ways, Biggz. Either dead fetuses are of consequence or they aren’t.
Because that is what you are doing, you are harassing someone on their way to have a medical procedure approved by the American medical assoc. performed by a licensed doctor in a women health center…
Again, if that’s all this is, then what’s the big deal? Do you have a problem with showing kids pictures of open heart surgery or of organs within their own bodies?
NO, Biggz. You have a problem with this because you KNOW these are humans who have been slaughtered and you don’t want kids to see dead humans.
“You said it yourself, you were dragged along by your parents to put your nose in someone else’s business. That’s why you got yelled at. Nobody came to your school and forced those things on you, but you would park a “BS truck” in front of a library to traumatize other people’s children who were not dragged there by their own parents… You would have never been yelled at any Pro-choice people had your parents not put you there.”
Well, glad you think it’s okay to yell at and spit on little kids who have no control of where they are, as long as you are pro-choice when you do it! :)
I despise those type of tactics, I have said it over and over again on this blog. I think they are counterproductive and harassing. However, you can’t think it’s fine and dandy to allow one group of people into the library parking lot, regardless of who they might traumatize and bother, and ban their ideological opposites. If you really believe that is lawful, then I have no idea what else to say. I would be perfectly happy if everyone was banned off the library parking lot. However, as loathe as I am to support those tactics, I have to agree that it isn’t right to allow one group to use the public property and the other to not. How is that “neutral”, at all?
Hmmm… Less than fifteen minutes away from me. The weird thing is I don’t ever remember seeing a woman’s health clinic near the Altamonte Springs library. Of course, I never looked for one, so that could be why.
Joanna – No what I am saying is that no matter what I would like done with my tax dollars, there are other people who would like other things done with it and if I am the minority then my tax money will be spent somewhere else. You see democracy works as a team sport and sometime you have to sit on the bench and let someone else play.
Jack – “I despise those type of tactics, I have said it over and over again on this blog. I think they are counterproductive and harassing. However, you can’t think it’s fine and dandy to allow one group of people into the library parking lot, regardless of who they might traumatize and bother, and ban their ideological opposites.”
I hear what you are saying, but you are talking like it is two sides of the same coin and they are not. On one side you have political activists trying to make a political statement vs. everyday citizens trying to get in to see a doctor. They are not trying to make any kind of political statement, they are just parking their cars while they are at a Dr. appt. There is no intent of confrontation on the part of the regular citizens. No clinic patron will be talking to the library patrons about abortion or birth control but this “BS truck” will throw the whole argument in the face of everyone else just trying to return Horton Heard a Hoo… Also it is not ok to treat kids that way but like I said the blame is on your parents for taking you there. I don’t take my daughter to church for the same reason…
Kel – you are just being argumentative without thinking about anything being said. A 6 foot picture of a brain cancer surgery would also give children nightmares. Think first, then type…
Kel – you are just being argumentative without thinking about anything being said. A 6 foot picture of a brain cancer surgery would also give children nightmares. Think first, then type…
That’s not even an adequate try, Biggz. You’re stuck and you know it, and the only one who came on here, guns blazing, was you. I highly doubt you’d object to a photo of brain surgery being shown to children. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that there are books IN that library, in the children’s section, which show organs and various surgeries.
Think first, then ask yourself why you really object.
Um, if you say so Kel… If I found out someone was showing my 9yo pictures of brain surgery or a hysterectomy I would be fuming mad as would most parents… You must not have kids or you would feel differently…
oh biggz your defense falls flat. let me tell you about true harassment from your side. if you pro death deadbeats were so tolerant then why not just drive by and shut your pie holes? i have been called every name in the book flipped off had my picture taken. god knows why? been screamed at nose to nose with irate ppl. a woman ran around me in a circle threatening to “beat my ass” i told her to swing and id press charges. she burned rubber down the street. i had an elderly woman call cops to say id hit her car. i was cleared.
Heather–so true about the suburbs. I was at a Truth Tour (or something, can’t remember the name) with some pro lifers in a nearby suburb. Some gals took time out of their day to leave their homes and come to our corner and throw eggs at us–some of which hit my two and three year olds! The suburban police delivered some justice, and allowed us to continue exercising our first amendment rights. But I’ve never been to another Truth Tour. Maybe when my kids are older….
“However, you can’t think it’s fine and dandy to allow one group of people into the library parking lot, regardless of who they might traumatize and bother, and ban their ideological opposites.”
Except that’s not what is happening here at all. This clinic asked for and received permission to allow some of its customers to use the library’s parking lot when its own parking lot is full; any other organization or business could have requested and been considered for same. The story doesn’t indicate that a church, crisis pregnancy center, or other organization with a similar purpose asked for and was denied usage of the library’s parking lot under the same terms as the clinic. I’m sure you’re not incapable of discerning the difference between limited, discrete usage of a public facility by a private entity that received permission to do so in advance and an ad hoc protest that completely prevented anyone, library patrons or otherwise, from using the library’s parking lot.
Heather – just answer this question… Did they come to your home or place of business to call you names and throw things at you or did you go out to make a public spectacle of yourself and your opinion?
Joan – Thank You! You made my point better than I did…
Biggz, either we all have freedom and right to protest and assembly protected by the Constitution, or none of us do. They don’t change depending on what’s being debated. Acting like Heather was asking for violence by peacefully protesting is more than a little ridiculous, no matter how abhorrent you find her views.
Jack – I am not trying to condone that type of reprisal against protestors. It is wrong and un-American. However, I have read story after story of anti-choice protestors picketing outside the homes of clinic employees and even outside the schools of clinic employee’s children… You see the protestors have a beef with the clinic not its patrons or its employee’s children and as such should not be harassing them.
My point is simply this, the people entering the clinic had no intention of getting into any sort of political argument they are just trying to get to their doctors appointment. The protestors left their house with the intention of putting forward their political opinion and trying to disrupt the other persons day. If you are going to project your own political opinions at someone who has no intention of discussing any political stance, you should be ready for some mean names in return. Also the name calling goes both ways and always has.
thanks for sticking up for me jack:) biggz whats the problem? its just a lil ol sign
Just part of being in a controversial business, I suppose. I am sure scientists who do animal testing don’t “ask” to be targets of protests, but I am sure they expect it. Just like someone seeking an abortion isn’t “asking” to be confronted, but should know that it’s probably going to happen. I still don’t see what exactly you are arguing. Protesters are gonna protest, whether anyone likes it or not, and shouldn’t be unequally banned from public property.
I have mixed feelings on if they should be able to park there or not BUT you have to give this women a hand – she is not backing down in supporting what she believes in and is FIERCE love her!
biggz my tax dollars are paying for abortions and im against that. i can be there if i want. heck even the cops are cool to us when ppl call on us.
regina im sorry to hear that. yep nasty nasty nasty
If I found out someone was showing my 9yo pictures of brain surgery or a hysterectomy I would be fuming mad as would most parents.
My chlildren have seen brain surgery photos and thought they were cool since they love science. They have also seen abortion photos and were disturbed. Yep, that’s what photos of dismembered humans — no matter what age — do to observant people. But being disturbed by something is not the same as being traumatized. Just because something upsets you doesn’t mean you will be psychologically injured.
yes eric i looked at pics of the human body as a kid and i became a nurse. the reation from most of the pro death people was “kids shouldnt see this” aaaaaaaahhhh and we would point to pp and tell them if they wanted us to leave then complain and help us get them outta here. of course they wouldnt do that
Um, if you say so Kel… If I found out someone was showing my 9yo pictures of brain surgery or a hysterectomy I would be fuming mad as would most parents… You must not have kids or you would feel differently…
I wouldn’t be upset at all. In fact, my 2 older children (12 and 9) have seen surgeries on TV. It’s really not that big a deal. Abortion, on the other hand, is a very big deal, since what is often seen in the photos are the result of dismemberment and/or suction techniques, or the burning and blackening of the skin of a late-term preborn child.
I just asked my husband if he’d be upset if someone showed our kids pictures of a hysterectomy or brain surgery. He looked at me like I was nuts. But when it’s abortion… I asked him, “Why is it different?” His response? “Because abortion takes a human life.”
My kids have seen Holocaust exhibits, too, btw.
But being disturbed by something is not the same as being traumatized. Just because something upsets you doesn’t mean you will be psychologically injured.
Good point, Eric.
I don’t think that people should discount that aborted fetus photos can certainly be traumatizing, not just upsetting. They certainly traumatized me, to the point that years later I still have nightmares if I happen to see one. Whether that is a risk pro-life protesters are willing to take is on their conscience, their decision. They shouldn’t pretend that it can’t do serious damage, especially along with other factors.
Jack,
Why did the aborted fetus photos traumatize you? Is it because you knew they were photos of dead human babies?
And do you believe you, as a child, would have been traumatized by seeing photos of, say, a brain surgery?
Hi Kel,
Combination of my mother telling me how she wanted an abortion, and then having exactly what she wanted to have done to me shoved in my face over and over. Yeah, it’s dead human babies, that’s the reason I found it so horrifying. I remember the first time I learned what my mother meant when she said she wished she would have aborted me. She had brought me to the clinic so they could have a cute little kid to shove in people’s faces, and I saw those photos, and my sister told me that is what abortion does to kids. It was awful. So when I see protests with kids with their parents holding signs, or women taking their little ones with them to the clinic, I find it really disturbing, to say the least. I can’t be the only person who was tormented by this stuff as a child.
Uh, I don’t think surgeries would have bothered me, as long as no one was dead or deliberately being harmed.
“I can’t be the only person who was tormented by this stuff as a child.”
you are not the only one
Yep, abortion centers – the place where doctors kill the “babies in their mommies’ tummies”. That thought is enough to give nightmares even without the graphic images. What a horrid betrayal by the medical profession. Sad.
Abortion will never, never be considered a normal medical procedures. It is too traumatizing for women, men and children.
sorry lots of typos…on a phone anyway here are a few verbal quotes from the pro deathers in the burbs. ~a handsome teen boy stopped his bike and asked “what if you were raped by a (slang racial for a black man) would you have that thing? an elderly mantook note of my pic and said “i hope nobody does that to you” a car full of teens “get the katsup” and on and on
Bravo for Michelle Herzog.
I wonder if that library would grant parking priveleges to an adult theater or adult book store for THEIR “overflow” parking. I think not. (Wouldn’t look very good for the city, now would it?)
Just sayin’…..
For the record Biggz, my 6yo wants to be a doctor/scientist/teacher. The last few days we have taken out books on human anatomy from the kids section of our public library and examined every last picture! When she wanted to see what the baby looked like in a woman’s tummy, the library books weren’t enough for her. So I pulled a book out of my pro-life library and showed her all the stages of fetal growth. She LOVED it!!
If, as you say, fetuses are “persons” who should be accorded full legal rights, then the mothers of the dead “babies” should have given their permission to use their offspring in the photos. Right? But given that the anti-choicers used the photo of an African American child, without her mother’s permission, it appears that legalities are something that are irrelevant to the movement.
And if the library is a public library, the spaces should be open to members of the public unless the city council puts a restriction on the spaces.
@JackBorsch: That is absolutely horrifying. I’m so sorry you went through that.
@CC: You really never did completely grasp the concept of “stock photography,” did you? It’s not that complex, but something about it just seems to elude you.
cc nobody is claiming the remains of those dead children. i believe some post abortive mothers can and do. someone saw a hearse carry a small box out of preterm. theyve been killin babies since 1973. perhaps im wrong on this so if i am im sure someone will correct me.
I absolutely do, Heather. I have several post abortive mom friends along with me that spiritually adopt these babies.
A healing place
http://www.memorialfortheunborn.org/
Combination of my mother telling me how she wanted an abortion, and then having exactly what she wanted to have done to me shoved in my face over and over. Yeah, it’s dead human babies, that’s the reason I found it so horrifying. I remember the first time I learned what my mother meant when she said she wished she would have aborted me. She had brought me to the clinic so they could have a cute little kid to shove in people’s faces, and I saw those photos, and my sister told me that is what abortion does to kids. It was awful. So when I see protests with kids with their parents holding signs, or women taking their little ones with them to the clinic, I find it really disturbing, to say the least. I can’t be the only person who was tormented by this stuff as a child.
Thanks, Jack. Your mother’s heartlessness notwithstanding, you have proven my point that the reason people have such strong opinions about these posters is specifically BECAUSE they show dismembered and dead human preborn children.
Not because they depict brain surgeries and the like.
But given that the anti-choicers used the photo of an African American child, without her mother’s permission, it appears that legalities are something that are irrelevant to the movement.
Might wanna check your facts there, CC. Not that facts matter to you.
CC: “If, as you say, fetuses are ‘persons’ who should be accorded full legal rights, then the mothers of the dead ‘babies’ should have given their permission to use their offspring in the photos. ”
Why? Dead persons don’t have legal rights. What you’re describing would be respect of the next-of-kin’s rights and duties. Since next-of-kin consider the unborn child to be medical waste, I think they’ve waived any intention they might have regarding childhood trips to the photo studio.
thank you carla. i just wasnt sure if a woman could claim the remains for burial. biggz i see you never returned to refute my claim that pro aborts are indeed the biggest perps of harassment. this is america and we can protest anything we want. some people protest was. some people want dancing with th stars boycotted because chaz bono is dancing. heck i say let him dance. i have protested abortion along the side of people who say honk for choice. im sure not going to ball up my fist and threaten any of them. we have a freedom to believe in whatever we want to.
“Might wanna check your facts there, CC. Not that facts matter to you”
What part of my statement was not factual? The African American mother of the African American child, used in the NY City anti-choice black “genocide” poster, was outraged by the use of her daughter’s photo. Last I heard, she was planning on suing the group who used it.
But regarding the abortion posters being used at the approach to a Maryland high school. There’s been some blowback from the students, some of whom profess to be pro-choice.
“Dead persons don’t have legal rights”
Does that mean that a photo of your recently deceased relative is in the public domain? Rasqual’s point about medical waste is interesting, though. Wonder if my uterus made it into a medical textbook?! Hope so!
But does anybody know who took these photos and how they were obtained. Was permission given from the hospitals/clinics/medical waste companies?
@CC: You really never did completely grasp the concept of “stock photography,” did you? It’s not that complex, but something about it just seems to elude you.
Which photos are “stock?” And if they are stock, were they paid for or was permission given? Apart from some public website with open stock (fee based) there is very little that is in the public domain. A number of websites have been sued by newspapers and other media for use of photos that are not stock. The attorney for the girl’s mother clearly did not believe that those who held the photo had permission for it to be used in the way that it was.
And as far as the fetus pics, how do we know that a) they’re not photoshopped or b) remains of miscarriages?
And BTW, Ms Stanek does have permission to use the copyrighted cartoons that she uses. If she didn’t, she could be sued. Copyright law is very specific.
What part of my statement was not factual? The African American mother of the African American child, used in the NY City anti-choice black “genocide” poster, was outraged by the use of her daughter’s photo. Last I heard, she was planning on suing the group who used it.
She signed a contract allowing her daughter’s image to be used in stock photos.
“Dead persons don’t have legal rights”
Does that mean that a photo of your recently deceased relative is in the public domain?
Did you skip the part where rasqual said, “What you’re describing would be respect of the next-of-kin’s rights and duties”?
oops my post upstream should say war. not was. and dont forget peta. ~people eating tastey animals.
“She signed a contract allowing her daughter’s image to be used in stock photos”
There’s more to the story as Fraser’s lawyer contends.
“The picture of Fraser’s daughter seen on the billboards comes from ImageSource, a stock image broker, and its parent company, Getty Images. To purchase stock photos from Getty Images, advertisers like Heroic Media are required to sign an agreement stating the photos won’t be used “in connection with a subject that would be unflattering or unduly controversial to a reasonable person.” The agreement also says the images can’t be used in a defamatory way. If the image is used for something controversial, like anti-choice messages directed toward black women, advertisers are required to get clearance from the model or indicate somewhere on the billboard that the model is not affiliated with the message. According to Fraser’s complaint, this didn’t happen.
“The billboard was defamatory of Anissa and/or her mother in that it gave the false suggestion, impression, and implication that they approved of the racist and offensive message contained therein,” reads Fraser’s claim. Fraser’s lawyer Andrew Celli says “the issue isn’t [Life Always and Heroic Media’s] position on abortion. It’s the statement that children of color are at risk because African-American women are exercising their right. That’s the racist part, that African American women are dangerous to their children”
Should be an interesting court case.
how do non persons have mothers?
Fraser is drawing more attention to herself and her daughter than the billboard ever did. She put her kid into modeling to make $$ and now she’s found an even better way – she thinks – to do it. Nobody knew who Anissa was before her mother dragged this into the media.
Fraser’s lawyer Andrew Celli says “the issue isn’t [Life Always and Heroic Media’s] position on abortion. It’s the statement that children of color are at risk because African-American women are exercising their right. That’s the racist part, that African American women are dangerous to their children”
Facts are facts. If the majority of abortions that occur there are among African-American women, I don’t see how stating that fact is racist. However, I do think that a disclaimer that the model was unassociated with Life Always should have been posted. If anything, THAT was their mistake.
Whether or not we agree/disagree about who has the right to park in a parking lot…
Is anyone else disturbed about how this clinic sends these women off after an abortion to go 2 1/2 blocks away?? How is that good health care? How is that caring for women?
Did I read a different article than Joan? Joan stated in her previous post that the clinic had asked for permission and that it had been granted. Everything I read indicated that the City had no idea that the library parking lot was being used as an over-flow parking lot for an abortion business. They simply declined to take any action when this was reported to them. I personally strongly disagree that a parking lot of a public facility is “public parking”. Public parking is street parking. The parking at City Hall, the County Rec Center, the library and so on is for those who doing business there. I run into a very full parking lot at my local library as it abuts a very chi-chi waterfront shoppiing district. I figure half the cars in the lot belong to shoppers who are fine with paying for designer clothing but too cheap to pay $5.00 at pay lot. I certainly think that it is fair for the prolife people to park in the lot if the city will allow the abortion business to use it. Simple solution – add a parking attendent – increases safety for all. Parking is free for those validated by library personnel. High fee for those parking for any other reason. Or simply ban parking without validation. Fair is fair, both sides get to use the lot as it stands.
CC, 10:35a: You brought this topic up back on July 31, at which time I answered you, but perhaps you didn’t read it. Reposting:
CC says: July 31, 2011 at 7:19 pm So Jill, I assume that you have a nice, cozy relationship with Town Hall and have permission to use their comics. But GoComics? If you haven’t received permission from GoComics and the cartoonist, you’re violating copyright rules because comics are protected by copyright.
Jill Stanek says August 1, 2011 at 7:38 am CC, actually I do pay a fee to GoComics. As for Townhall, I always give complete attribution, including a direct link, and have never received a complaint.
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Addendum: Typically, my use of graphics and photos falls under Fair Use trademark law. Read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use.
I have an ADF attorney who specializes in copyright law who comes to my assistance those times that pro-aborts send me threatening letters/emails to take down photos of theirs I have posted from Facebook, etc. – which I don’t.
Thank you. Clicking on the Wiki article that you inserted brings you to a summary page. The actual page has the same URL, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
You might want to check out this article:
http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/blog-4900-dont-get-sued-by-the-trib.html
I love how you guys just gloss over all the anti-choice protest violence like it is just a ton of isolated incidents… WOW you had someone call you names… Abortion providers have suffered being gunned down in front of their family, clinic bombings, death threats, vandalism like you guys have never seen or dealt with, not to mention the all out intimidation of patients. As I was driving by my local PP today on my way to work, I noticed that someone had thrown a rock through the front window… That’s not protesting, that’s terrorism.
As for the pictures, well they are staged pictures taken to make a political point and in no way resemble a modern day abortion that most women receive today. You can tell these pictures are staged because they use props to make a political statement. Arranging a dead fetus by draping it over American money… MOST abortion done today are done early and the fetus is no bigger than a nickel but that would not make a dramatic protest sign with which to traumatize children with.
As for the 2 blocks that these women would have to walk, well you guys seem to think that every woman who enters a PP clinic is getting an abortion but the truth is that over 90% are just picking up a prescription and can walk just fine. Also when a woman goes into a PP to have an abortion performed they are required to have someone else there to drive them home.
Heather – You see legally Pro-choicers perform medical procedures that terminate a pregnancy, however Pro-lifers commit murder, assault, vandalism, harassment, and trespassing. This is undisputable as these acts have all been recorded and pro-lifers have been sent to prison. Oh but I am real sorry some people called you names….
A fetus is not a baby, or a preborn baby, or a person, or a citizen… it is a fetus and nothing more. It feels strange to have to explaine something simple like an apple is an apple but in case you missed it, a fetus is a fetus.
Those who gun anyone down are certainly not Christian at all and belong to some sort of cult who claim to be Christian but follow someone other than Christ.
Those who pray peacefully, talk, hand out pamphlets, show support – those are the true Christians and Pro-Lifers.
Clearly Biggz, you have fallen for the media’s portrayal of Christians thanks to a few extremists. I am sorry that you see it that way.
Abortionists kill every day.
A fetus is not a baby, or a preborn baby, or a person, or a citizen… it is a fetus and nothing more. It feels strange to have to explaine something simple like an apple is an apple but in case you missed it, a fetus is a fetus.
I had a long answer all typed out, but I’m just thinking this is one of the most hilarious things I’ve ever seen a pro-abort say. You don’t seem to believe a fetus can be defined. I encourage you to consult your dictionary.
Or maybe Wikipedia, even.
See, we all know that a human fetus is human. (Well, most of us.) And most of us (those who took biology, anyway) realize that how small a human entity happens to be has no bearing on the fact that it is, indeed, human.
Kel – and you do not understand how DNA works.
Calling a fetus a baby is like calling rich people “Job creators” it is a deliberately misleading term to add emotional weight to your argument, but we all know they are just rich people, who have sent all the jobs overseas for bigger profits.
“an apple is an apple”
Great analogy. Scientifically, an apple is not just an apple, it is a subset of other groups, as it is also a pome, which is also part of the larger group called fruit. Likewise, a fetus is scientifically not just a fetus as it is part of a larger subset called human.
Ok Biggz – I do not consider rich people “job creators” and I am against cutting taxes for the rich, unlike most people on here.
But I know that a baby is a baby from conception.
What do you have to say to me?
Guess I don’t know what DNA is, either. Go and call me uneducated. Keep trolling on a page that has nothing to do with you, and tearing people down with your hateful, death culture words.
It’s seriously pathetic.
I feel sorry for you.
Please come back when you have something productive to say, when you have an open heart to God. I’ll be praying for you – and I hope everyone else here does, too.
Kel – and you do not understand how DNA works.
Oh, well, then. By all means, enlighten us.
From the article, there was a City Commission Meeting on the evening of Oct 4, at which ”pro-lifers plan to attend to make their voices heard.” Are there updates to this story based on the meeting?