Life Links 4-19-12
by JivinJ, host of the blog, JivinJehoshaphat
- Jordan Sekulow and Matthew Clark on Planned Parenthood’s abortion prayers:
While admitting that aborted babies are “our children — even those we decide not to bring into the world,” Faith Aloud cannot debunk the claim that abortion is murder. Faith Aloud’s Web site states, “When you hear something over and over, like ‘abortion is murder’, it can get into your head — like a commercial. But if you really believed that abortion was the same as murder you probably wouldn’t even be considering it.”All Planned Parenthood and Faith Aloud can do is rationalize the taking of another human’s life under the guise of prayer.
- A Minnesota man has been arrested after beating his pregnant ex-girlfriend and attempting to kill his unborn child:
Kenneth L. Turner, 28, assaulted his ex-girlfriend at a home for three hours, at one point ordering her to lie on her back and stomping on her stomach with both feet, the charge said. He told her she didn’t deserve the baby and that he was going to kill it, the complaint said.The woman is two months pregnant. It’s unclear whether her embryo suffered any permanent injuries.
Turner was charged with felony first-degree attempted murder of an unborn child and felony domestic assault. He has previous domestic assault convictions and two other violent felony convictions.
- I can’t believe Planned Parenthood is wasting money on this ad. It’s completely unpersuasive. An abortion clinic nurse practitioner isn’t going to vote for a pro-life candidate because showing women their ultrasounds is “cruel” and women will get black eyes if they are given their ultrasound photo? The arguments against ultrasound legislation are getting weaker and weaker:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElWC0QRsmJw[/youtube]
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
According to Planned Parenthood women will be abused if they find out biological facts about their child. Hey Planned Parenthood, why aren’t you screening for sexual abuse if this is such a big problem? I thought you provide a full range of services to women? Why do you moan and howl like a dying animal when prolifers want to make sure abortion clinics screen for domestic violence? Why is it in some of your clinics when you find out about statutory rape you just ignore the law and don’t report it? The lies they tell themselves to get through the dark nights…
They are losing. They know it.
Hey lady,
What’s depicted in those “ultrasound images”?
Hey lady,
How much are those abuse victims paying you to kill their children?
To show an ultrasound image is “cruel”?
To kill the person that embodies that ultrasound image is cruel, not to see pictures of them.
Ignoring the other aspects of the ultrasound law for a minute (because past commenters have that covered): just because they would have to take the ultrasound picture out of the building does not *really* mean they would have to take it home and save it, as there is no possible way to mandate that. If having the picture would really put a woman in that much danger, wouldn’t she just throw it away before she got home?
What a dumb argument.
Wow. I’d be afraid if she was a nurse helping me… And she had to be from Allentown… Way to make PA residents look dumb and heartless. Cruel to the women? Yeah, ok.
Ouch. All the stupid from the comments section of the article in The Washington Post hurts my brain.
You could not make up this stuff. This the most unbelievable crap I have ever heard. So PP offering women an ultrasound so that they are giving informed consent about what exactly they are aborting will mean that women will be brutalized. Of course, we all should know that PP is in business to save women from the 3 Bs, to “save” women from being beaten, battered and black-eyed. (sarcasm) Does anyone hear a cash register ringing? Cha-ching! Wonder why they don’t give abortions for free, since abortions are saving women from the 3 B’s? I thought they were all about “choice”. Do they ever intervene when the boyfriends are dragging women in forcing them in the door? How many sidewalk couselors have ever seen them call cops when it is NOT the women’s “choice” to abort and she is being forced in the door and threatened, since they are all about saving women from a butt-whipping?
There is more than one abortion facility in Allentown, but I will die from irony if this nurse is from Allentown Medical Services. AMS employs Dr. Vikram Kaji, who once had his medical license suspended for– what else?– inappropriate sexual activity with patients.
http://abortionsafety.com/places.php?plid=14049
Wait wait wait… They talk about a woman making the tough choice of abortion, then strongly imply that women choose abortion because their abusive boyfriends/husbands will beat them up if they don’t abort? That’s “choice”??
Sounds like the nurse in the ad sends several of her patients home to their abusive partners without doing anything to help them. That’s pro-woman??
And since Planned Parenthood and other abortion mills are supposedly women’s only source of ‘healthcare’, they should have no problem treating those fictional black eyes, right? Let’s blame the victims of abortion while we play the victims ourselves. We’re ‘fierce and empowered’ feminists until it’s time to see images of our unborn babies, then suddenly we morph into martyred victims, emotionally incapable of the truth? And they expect to be taken seriously? If they’re so concerned, where is their feminist outrage when abusive boymen force women to abort? Where are they when men beat women until they miscarry? Where are the feminist women’s groups? Standing by, ready to offer help? Why, no, they’re busy playing ‘war on women’, shrieking for free bc and govt funded abortions. Abuse victims are just political footballs to them, another tool to be exploited.
@Kelsey: I don’t think she is. All of the Mary Beths Google coughed up for CRNPs in Allentown seem to be attached a Lehigh Valley Health Network (whose website is an absolute rabbit warren of roundaboutation).
If anything, this screed is an open admission that feminist ‘dv shelters’ are an epic fail.
John,
They’re perfectly happy to send young girls back to their pimps, so why not send them back their abusive boyfriends? As long as they get the cash for the abortion, its all good.
If they’re so concerned, where is their feminist outrage when abusive boymen force women to abort?
Where is there feminist outrage? Telling women who saved their children from these abusive boymen and got away themselves that they got pregnant on purpose “to try and keep their man”, that we just tried to “trap them”, and calling us “sperm receptacles”. Piss on them.
How exactly does killing someone’s child for them protect them from an abusive partner, Mary Beth?
Tell me exactly, Mary Beth, how this works in your mind.
*their
My, but my face is red.
X, the Grammar Police were suiting up….. ;)
“If anything, this screed is an open admission that feminist ‘dv shelters’ are an epic fail.”
I’m not sure what you mean with this? Domestic violence shelters are very necessary (though I don’t always agree with some policies, like not allowing women to bring their male children with them if they are age 12 or over). I think that putting pregnant abuse victims in the position of “abort your baby to protect yourself” is disgusting and counterproductive, of course, but there still needs to be safe places for domestic violence victims to escape to.
@Alice, fair enough. Thanks for looking into it.
Not talking about the really great shelters out there, Jack, just the corrupt ones that require you swallow their ideology and accept their indoctrination before they’ll help you.
Yeah there are a few like that, unfortunately. The ones around here are decent though. The one for teens of both genders that I volunteer with is excellent, and the people who run it are pro-life.
Happily the ones I was describing are in the minority-they seem to be the ones making the most noise (at least around here) the really good ones make a huge difference but seem to do it quietly.
These Planned Parenthood prayers are the perfect response for the next time someone suggests atheists are responsible for all the evil in the world. I will simply say look at what some religious people are doing…
That commercial is so stupid it’s comical. Instead of saying, “I work at a clinic in which some of our patients are victims of violence, and so I make it a point to send the women to the police/a shelter/some safe place where she can be free to make her own decisions.” this doctor is saying, “I work in a clinic in which some of my patients are victims of violence, and so I make sure these women obey the command of their abusers to abort their children whether they want to or not, and then I send them back on home to those abusers. OBVIOUSLY I’m helping women in this way and I WIN!”
… I think the logic fairy forgot about this lady.
MoronicProChoice Quotes says: “Not talking about the really great shelters out there, Jack, just the corrupt ones that require you swallow their ideology and accept their indoctrination before they’ll help you.”
Our ideology is that no humans are perfect, but Jesus has already paid the debt to redeem us from our sins, and the rest is up to us, based on our own free will, to accept the fact that we are not perfect, and need this redemption; this is accepted individually, person by person. With this acceptance, we are accepting the invitation to live with God forever – although each human is free to NOT make this choice, ever – and God will not force you to live with him forever – the free choice thing.
After that, we are expected to share this good news. If you discovered a great restaurant, or low gas prices, you might be excited to share that good news with friends.
Same thing. But God loves each human way more than any of us can love our favorites. He would want us to even tell our enemies about a gas station with low prices.
There is no force or indoctrination. Persuasion? Yes. ‘Trust me – you will really like this restaurant.’ Or real estate agent, book, massage therapist, recipe - or whatever. Persuasion is just part of our lives.
Still, we know it is not any one of us that calls another person to be reconciled with God; it is God’s spirit working in each person. We just encourage, share, educated, plant seeds, and serve as examples.
Christian giving is the single greatest charitable force on the planet. In terms of dollars, and hours.
Are you saying that you are aware that some shelter for abused women is making a woman, in need, declare her acceptance of Jesus as her redeemer before they admit her? What kind of indoctrination do they do? How quick is it? An hour? Days? -before she finally gets admitted?
Most of these types of endeavors – shelters, soup kitchens, crisis pregnancy centers – are supported by local churches. The local churches will usually check out the theology just to know what is going on.
A local shelter that was carrying out some indoctrination, and had no local church support and relationship. would be suspicious. I am aware of a county probation officer who used his position to pressure probationers to attend some cultish lectures – loose cannon.
Ilived decades before becoming a Christian. I had may people try to persuade me, I was invited and attended various dinners or lunches, etc. It did not hurt me, and I was never ”indoctrinated.” Was I uncomfortable in some of these settings? Yes. I have also had car salesmen pressure me way more, but was able to use my free will and agency to resist buying the car.
If that “indoctrination” is happening, please give some real evidence. Post it here – there may be a believer in the local area who could work with a church and go evaluate whether the shelter was theologically sound.
Otherwise, this is all hyperbole and demonizing selfless people you simply just disagree with.
If I still cursed, I would call “BS” on your accusation.
I think you misunderstood MPQ. I believe she was referring to many “feminism-based” organizations that tend to try and make man-haters out of a good many women in vulnerable situations. As Jack was speaking of earlier, the shelters that don’t allow male children over 12 years old do so of course because anything with a penis is evil (so they say). I’m certain that MPQ was definitely not talking about religiously-oriented institutions.