Aborted babies represented at Obama inauguration
UDPATE: 1/22, 8:40a: Created Equal has posted several photos on Facebook of its outreach protest at President Obama’s inauguration yesterday. His motorcade had to pass the group twice. We pray the photos of the reality of abortion got through and pierced his soul – somehow, some way. Here are two of the best photos. Click to enlarge…
UDPATE: 1/21, 12:35p: Created Equal’s protest is positioned on Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the Navy Memorial. The presidential motorcade passed the group on its way to the Inauguration at the Capitol Building and will pass it again when returning to the White House.
1/21, 12:10p: I was just sent this picture from Mark Harrington of Created Equal.
Thanks to Mark’s team for standing in the gap for babies slaughtered by abortion, and for disallowing President Obama and his followers to forget what they support, even on Inauguration Day.
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
And I am sure some photos of dead babies due to Bush’s Iraq war were shown at Bush’s second inauguration.
Nevertheless, Happy 40th Birthday, Roe v. Wade! May there be many more.
Oh I get it Ron. If war kills babies, it is okay for moms to kill their babies. Gotcha.
People get raped and beat during wars, too. What say you about making rape and battery legal?
Praxedes, that’s not what I said. On the other hand, many people who consider themselves prolife excused the baby killing in Iraq.
If you knew a soldier, you’d know the rules of engagement are a.) VERY stringent, and b.) designed to prevent “baby killing”, so your hysterics tend to be easily shrugged off by those in the know. Now, people who are in the know about basic biology and human development here, wouldn’t applaud the very real and 3,000+ a day strong practice of legal baby killing here in the states by wishing for 40 more years of it.
Exactly, Xalisae…that’s pretty twisted.
Murder is murder and babies are babies no matter what clever names (abortion and fetus) you attempt to give them. You can make excuses, use diversion tactics, mock and diminish it, but God will hold court on Judgment Day to make us all accountable for what we did or did not do to stop this barbarous practice. On that dreadful day, all your excuses and attempts to divert Him from the reality of it will fall on deaf ears. He will simply look at you and say, “Depart from Me. I never knew you.” And the worst kind of hell unimaginable will become your inescapable home for all eternity. Repent while there’s still time to!
Noone sought to kill babies in any war…Not a sound analogy, and this military (under both Pres. Bush and under Pres. Obama) has tried to keep as much of the fight away from civilians as they could!!!
Re Human Abortion…Instead of working to help strengthen the family unit and also help girls/ women develop their job skills…things which would actually EMPOWER girls, women…
…many just want to push women, girls towards abortion as THE answer.
I REMEMBER when “Equal Pay for Equal Work” and “Pay Equity” were the BIG deals…Those are real ways to empower women!
“Nevertheless, Happy 40th Birthday, Roe v. Wade! May there be many more.”
What was that Reality?
Nobody ever CELEBRATES abortion?
Reality meet Ron. Ron, Reality.
Obama swears on the sacred Word of God to defend the constitution and then blatantly gives his inauguration address supporting so many practices that are in direct rebellion against God. We will only be a blessed nation when we fall on our knees before Him.
And I would not broadbrush all pro-lifers as being in support of those killed in wars. The difference, however, is that many who are killed in war are guilty (I know there are those who are not, so relax). The unborn are never guilty. They are completely innocent and yet, targeted.
God bless Created Equal for exposing the truth.
Ron,
You are happy that for 40 years we have legally killed nearly 55 million innocent human beings?
How many abortions have you been involved in?
There is healing for you.
http://rachelsvineyard.org
Wait a minute… Ron is against babies being allegedly killed by someone’s decision to go to war but he celebrates babies being killed by their own mothers?
Interesting disconnect you have there, Ron.
55 million. The number of lives taken in all of America’s wars combined don’t even come close.
Eric, your point has a flaw. How many babies has God murdered/killed? Oh, that’s right–God can do whatever he pleases! So, if the God you hold in such high esteem can be a hypocrite, well, what can I do about it? Besides, it’s my business and not yours. And that probably irks you that you have no say in what I do concerning this!
Thinkingabovemypaygrade, I celebrate Roe v. Wade because it gives women a third option with her pregnancy.
– Destruction is certain for those who argue with their Creator – Bible
– All Cowards will be in the Lake of Fire – Bible
– A Ten Commandment – You shall not murder – Bible
– Do you know that you are not your own, you’ve been bought with a price? Therefore worship God with your Body and Spirit, which are God’s. – Bible
– Woe to those who put light for darkness and darkness for light, Woe To those who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter, Woe To Those Who Call Evil Good and Good Evil. – Bible
– John The Baptist – Repent! – Bible
I’ve read so many articles about Abortion in America makes me feel sick. The more I find out about ‘The Abortion Industry’, Infantcide, no different from the Hollocaust in the time of Hitler. What are future generations going to say?? ‘why was this allowed to continue? Why didn’t someone do something about it? Why were millions of babies butchered and Presidents of that country aware of what was going on, and approved of Abortion and Infantcide and were also aware of ‘Harvesting Aborted little babies’ ‘Aborted babies for Sale’? Multi Million Dollar Evil Business, to Pharmaceuticals and Universities all over the world….., No Value on little innocent babies!. Obama swore on the Bible on his Inauguration Day, how can American people support such a person? I hope and pray Legislation will never be in Ireland for this barbaric Act called Abortion.
anne, you insult Holocaust victims by your comparison. And, Obama only has to answer to God, not you. This is NOT a theocracy but if it ever becomes on it deserves to fall and fall hard.
Ron, you definitely have some issues. Condoning and applauding and celebrating 40 years of murdering babies puts you in a class with all the shooters we have seen recently. You are a sicko. Please see a shrink as soon as possible.
Ron…a question.
You said that you celebrate Roe because it gives women a 3rd option.
What is the 3rd option? Do you mean this?
Dismembering a baby and throwing it in the trash can. Do you mean…injecting the womb with a chemical that burns the baby to death? Do you mean…partially birthing a child and then crushing its skull and taking scissors to the baby’s body to kill it?
No matter whether you are an atheist or just a bitter angry person…if you think that this is an “option” then you have serious issues that need to be addressed. You are not only immoral but enjoy anothers pain….wow….wow just wow.
Ron, most centenarians die of natural causes. Would you say that God killed them, or that it should be legal for us to do the same?
And, Obama only has to answer to God, not you. This is NOT a theocracy but if it ever becomes on it deserves to fall and fall hard.
Please reconcile these two statements.
Ron…how did anne specifically “insult” victims of the Holocaust?
How?
The people were slaughtered for just being Jewish or Catholic or against the government.
Abortion victims are slaughered for just being babies….for matter of convenience…for God’s sake Ron…look a baby and image a doctor dismembering them. Don’t you have an ounce of compassion? Look at a baby and imagine this…you won’t because you know is disgusting and disgraceful. The baby feels the pain…would you want a baby family member to be killed the same way.
Ron the same LOVING GOD that created you is the CREATOR of all. Yes people do certain things that at that time they think it is right and then down the line they realize are wrong. God forgives and our lifes changes.
Once we know the truth and realize that it is wrong we are to help one another to build and not destroy.
“What was that Reality?…Nobody ever CELEBRATES abortion?” – correct. What is celebrated is womens’ freedom to choose. To decide for themselves what is the best course of action out of all that are available to them.
God has the time and interest to visit Jill’s site? Wow!
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
“women’s freedom to choose” to have their innocent child suctioned from their wombs.
happy 40th birthday roe v wade!!! HATS and HORNS!!
Yep, you’ve got it. Womens’ freedom to choose. Their right to not be bound by the patriarchal strictures designed to keep them curtailed and controlled.
All freedoms are worth celebrating.
What about those who support the death penalty Carla, do they celebrate with hats and horns every time there’s an execution? Do they go into raptures over the event? Party?
Apples and oranges, Reality. Guilty versus TOTALLY INNOCENT.
We know that not all those sentenced to death or who have been executed are guilty.
My question still stands.
Their right to not be bound by the patriarchal strictures designed to keep them curtailed and controlled.
Haaaahahahahahahaaaaaa!! Wow. Do you people listen to yourselves? I mean, really?
Reality, go back to your toe sucking. It’s probably way more useful than anything you could possibly say here. Enjoy!!
“Haaaahahahahahahaaaaaa!! Wow. Do you people listen to yourselves? I mean, really?” – excellent rebuttal! So robust and intellectual.
Also, I stated that I kiss toes (and more), not that I suck toes – which is demonstrative of the usual inability of some people here to respond to what I actually say rather than what they would like to think I have said.
Ron- you are a ugly person.
Craig, with the Holocaust, the government killed them. You desecrate the Jews and others with your ignorance.
Noir, the issues are with people such as yourself.
April, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Please, folks. Ron is here to posture and provoke. He is not here to make sense. Please don’t expect from him what he cannot give.
I am FOR “Equal Pay for Equal Work” and “Pay Equity” but am against a law that requires it. I want a woman who starts a company and risks more than me (a man) to earn MORE than me. THAT empowers women!
Time is short we are in the end times if you all haven’t noticed, The wrath of God is slowly falling on each and every country, especially those that continue to support abortion. every kind of natural disasters will be seen all over the world. The 3 1/2 year tribulation that is talked about in the bible has already begun it started Dec 2012. famine will be seen, wars will escalate especially in the middle east, earthquakes will be felt all over the world, God is ANGRY and he is about to show everyone who’s boss not only have we messed with his creation by killing our own brothers and sisters, we probably aborted the person who would find a cure for cancer or aids, ect ect we have also ruined the earth he gave us all to enjoy and take care of by pollution, land fills ect ect. repent before it’s too late once you die and go before God for judgement, if you are sent to hell you will be there for eternity hello eternity do we even realize what that means forever, for those that laugh and don’t believe and think that this life is all their is, good luck because when you arrive in hell you won’t be laughing then. The terror you will feel is beyond words.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Respect for Human Life:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm
@Ron- Bottom line is that abortion is a selfish act on the part of the mother. It’s used as a form of birth control regarding an unwanted pregnancy. It’s not about the mother’s body, it’s not about her right to choose, it’s about a sick desire to kill an unwanted baby. I’ve read countless testimonies from ex-abortion workers on the horrors of the abortion business. A nurse spoke of the day she quit when the doctor placed gasping 20 week old twins in a basin full of shallow water to drown in the last moments of their short lives.
“All of a sudden one noticed that at the time of the saline infusion there was a lot of activity in the uterus. That’s not fluid currents. That’s obviously the fetus being distressed by swallowing the concentrated salt solution and kicking violently and that’s to all intents and purposes, the death trauma… somebody has to do it, and unfortunately we are the executioners in this instance[.]” -Dr. Szenes, abortionist
speaking of not responding to what is said…
when are you going to explain to me how abortion isn’t a tool of the patriarchy when the person who wanted me to abort my female child to continue using me was a man?
I am COMPLETELY Pro-Life, and I’d like to see someone try to “curtail and control” me…I don’t need a “right” to kill my children in utero to be myself and control myself.
Ron,
I’m an atheist. You don’t have to believe in God to oppose abortion. It’s a basic human rights thing.
Bring it on lisa. I look forward to seeing what actually occurs. My bet is that the usual back-pedalling and re-aligning of the supposed end times will be well evident.
Sometimes I think it would be interesting and probably even fun if there was such a place as hell. Given the range of people it is claimed would land there it’d be a hoot. The very few people who had actually done anything which could rationally be considered bad would be overwhelmingly outnumbered by those who have done no harm but were declared mortal sinners. Some of my frineds would have made the decor absolutely divine, the food would be fantastic and the entertainment would be never ending.
“when are you going to explain to me how abortion isn’t a tool of the patriarchy when the person who wanted me to abort my female child to continue using me was a man?” – and when did you explicity pose that question to me without me responding?
Anyway, now that you’ve asked it – because it is not people like that thug who instituted abortion as a legal choice, it was predominantly through the demands of women who wanted to have choice.
He would have tried to get you to have an abortion even if it was illegal.
Those who would try to make abortion illegal do so to ensure that women have a limitation placed upon them that men don’t.
“Those who would try to make abortion illegal do so to ensure that women have a limitation placed upon them that men don’t.”
Since when do we have to worry about men killing their unborn child?
and when did you explicity pose that question to me without me responding?
Many, many, many threads ago.
because it is not people like that thug who instituted abortion as a legal choice, it was predominantly through the demands of women who wanted to have choice.
Right. Along with doctors who stood to profit from the business a substantial sum. And now that WE have learned from experience that we never had a chance to gain any self-determination on the dead bodies of our children, and WE have found that it tends to benefit THE PATRIARCHY who says:
“Kill your child, and you can keep your job.”-USING US.
“Kill your child, and you can have your degree.”-USING US.
“Kill our child so I can have more sex with you without worrying about kids.”-USING US.
“Kill your child, and I’ll consider you for that promotion.”-USING US.
“Kill our child, because I want to keep having sex with you and keep my wife.”-USING US.
So, more and more of US are learning that abortion is not the pathway to liberation we thought it was, and that REAL empowerment is going to come through making certain that we respect ourselves enough to keep from being used by these men. REAL empowerment is going to come through making sure that educators and employers respect us and our biological capabilities enough that our skills are valued more than trying to force us into a fight to the death with our own children. So…yeah. You can stop “helping” us now.
“He would have tried to get you to have an abortion even if it was illegal.”
If abortion had been illegal at the time, I would’ve picked up a phone and called the police immediately and had him arrested for trying to get me to do something illegal instead of fearing that any sort of disagreement on the topic would be shrugged off by law enforcement as a mild domestic dispute. So, thanks for that, Mr. Patriarchy.
Those who would try to make abortion illegal do so to ensure that women have a limitation placed upon them that men don’t.
No, Reality. I’ve told you this SOOO MANY TIMES. I try to make abortion illegal so that children like my DAUGHTER who have no parent who would put their child’s good before their own have protection under the law. Heck…many times, those little lives in the balance are young women-to-be themselves! It’s not currently legal for a man to kill their child. It shouldn’t be legal for a woman to do so, either. That’s not a limitation being placed upon us that men don’t have. That’s a right we currently have that we shouldn’t, that no man has currently.
Suck, kiss, whatever, Reality. You felt the need to post about it more than once along with other references to your sex life that secure individuals don’t usually feel quite so compelled to do.
My non-intellectual response was equal to your non-intellectual statement.
:-) :-) excellent Kel, we are even then. Although I will remind you that some anti-choicers here have said more about their sex lives than I have.
Ron Jesus says “it was said to the people long agao You shall not murder and anyone who murders will be subject to judgement.” (TNIV) Abortion is murder! and Obama supports murder!
Mike, Republicans who kiss the butts of corporations that poison the environment also murder unborn children. They’ll be subject to judgement, too, won’t they?
Bush supported murder, too. It was called the iraq war. but that is OK with you phonies, isn’t it? See, some of you are convenient hypocrites!
I am glad that Created Equal was at the inaugeration to show what abortion really does to a child. A picture is worth a thousand words. Women have abortions because they don’t belive there is any other choice. Abortion is forever. Regret is forever.
The pictures say it all. These human beings died in such a horrific way. How can these deaths ever equate to someone else’s right?
“Along with doctors who stood to profit from the business a substantial sum.” – that’s funny, I didn’t know that doctors who deliver did it for free! Especially given the rise in c-sections etc. which bump up their income.
“…WE have found that it tends to benefit THE PATRIARCHY who says: (all that ‘using us’ palaver that you spouted).” is just so much misrepresentation of the true situation.
The dictates you attempt to claim the existence of are untrue. Women have been given choice. They can work, study, have sex etc. etc. whilst pregnant – which the patriarchy tried to prevent for sooo long – or they can abort if they feel they would rather focus on their work or study.
“…making sure that educators and employers respect us and our biological capabilities enough that our skills are valued more than trying to force us into a fight to the death with our own children.” – overblown rhetoric.
“So…yeah. You can stop “helping” us now.” – apparently not, there are still those who would attempt to limit your choices and see you curtailed in your opportunities.
“so that children like my DAUGHTER who have no parent who would put their child’s good before their own have protection under the law.” – that’d be that ‘fetus first, woman nowhere’ ethos then.
“That’s a right we currently have that we shouldn’t, that no man has currently.” – men don’t get pregnant.
Have they admitted to odd fetishes?
This doesn’t count Denise. ;)
X, you are exactly right. I don’t know why people can’t see that abortion has actually brought about a great deal of hostility toward motherhood and women in general.
“Have they admitted to odd fetishes?” – one very large one, yes.
Do you really consider the odd bit of toe kissing as part of showing love and affection to be a fetish? Wow!
What about the inside of elbows or behind the knees? The neck? A nice old-style hand kiss? Tummy?
Or are you one of those who considers anything more than a cheek or, maybe sometimes, the lips, to be too much?
Oh well thanks for being so respectful in your reply, Reality. The fact that you view human rights for preborn children as just another “fetish” tells me pretty much all I need to know. And let’s not play coy and pretend that isn’t what you meant.
I hear toe jam is great with toast. Enjoy it. Toodles.
Oh my. I will pray for those of you who think ripping off babies’ arms and legs is equivalent to pollution, who think hell will be a hoot, who think a woman’s right not to be pregnant supercedes a person’s right to continue living.
So unbelievably horrifying. 40 years. 55 million people. God have mercy.
Think I’m gonna be ill listening to Obama talk about equality, dignity, security … for all – except the really little ones of course. I mean, they can be sooo inconvenient sometimes, and expensive. Ugh.
“…tells me pretty much all I need to know” – what, you didn’t already know that? Come now, you’re being too modest.
“I hear toe jam is great with toast” – I wouldn’t know Kel. I kiss toes, I don’t suck toenails. Do you add relish or pepper or anything?
Famous premature babies to name a few: Albert Einstein, Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, Napoleon Bonaparte, Mark Twain, Pablo Picasso, Stevie Wonder, Sir Winston Churchill.
Did you know that after birth, the human brain more than doubles to reach 60% of it’s adult size by the time it is 1 year old? By kindergarten, the brain has reached its full size but typically does NOT FINISH DEVELOPING UNTIL the person is in it’s MID-Twenties. (That is apparent with Ron and Reality’s comments!)
As for Lisa and Michelle, I agree that there will be a judgement form God, especially on those who do not know His Son. Judgement starts in the church, and there will be many who have been lukewarm concerning His word.
There is no one on earth who has never sinned except the Lord. He took the worlds sins upon Himself on the cross so that we would not be judged for our sins. However, that does not give any Christian the right to sin. And therefore we shall stand before God, and give account of the things we did as a believer that we did not repent of.
So for those who do not believe in God, I admonish you…just because you don’t believe in God, does not mean He doesn’t exist. My question to you, what will you tell Him if you are wrong. And if you come to find out there really is a hell, how will you avoid it. Your Answer: Idk. and you won’t be going to heaven, when that prooves true as well. I think that many people think if they say there is no God, feel they won’t be held accountable for thier ignorance of Him. That is pride.
Love is truth. I care.
For those pro abortion foes and war mongers (and that is what you are a foe of God,) God opposes murder. He is not opposed to killing someone in “self” defense, to “protect” one’s home and family. (But, first you have to have a family.)
Next thing ya know Obama will make an executive order that allows a woman to “insure” her fetus, and then after the abortion, collect NOT a ”life” insurance policy. (but a death assurance policy.)
The truth hurts, but when we love someone, we tell them it.
<3
To Ron and others in agreement with him: You misunderstand my heart and my plea, maybe because you choose to, maybe because you don’t want to think about your future, or maybe because you cannot endure the reality of abortion. I do not desire to force you into a belief that you are incapable of accepting. I am merely declaring the truth in love and crying out to those who would listen. Your flaw (with eternal consequences) is assuming you know my God. In truth, every part of this spectacular universe declares His holy attributes so that you are without excuse for your rebellion against Him. In truth, His perfect grace and mercy are revealed through the cross of Jesus Christ, whose purifying blood flows through the veins of His servants. Accept God’s gift of eternal life through His Son Jesus Christ and be saved! Reject Him and prepare for the judgment!
Mommy of 3,
I suggest you head on over to Silent No More Awareness and read some of the THOUSANDS of testimonies from women who were coerced and forced and LIED to by omission by the abortion mill staff about what abortion is and what it does. AND we will regret our abortions until the day they die.
“a sick desire to kill an unwanted baby” I think that describes an abortionist quite well. And they do it for $$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Thank you Lord for you mercy, grace and forgiveness after my abortion. There is hope and healing.
http://silentnomoreawareness.org
http://silentnomoreawareness.org/testimonies/index.aspx
Someone made a comment about God allowing killing of or God killing children…
You need to ask: Is it possible that God could have had morally sufficient reasons for ordering the destruction of tribes and nations?
Example: In biblical times a basic knowledge of Canaanite culture reveals its inherent moral wickedness. The Canaanites were a brutal, aggressive people who engaged in bestiality, incest, and even child sacrifice. Deviant sexual acts were the norm. The Canaanites’ sin was so repellent that God said, “The land vomited out its inhabitants” (Leviticus 18:25).
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he destruction was directed more at the Canaanite religion (Deuteronomy 7:3-5, 12:2-3) than at the Canaanite people per se. The judgment was not ethnically motivated. Individual Canaanites, like Rahab in Jericho, could still find that mercy follows repentance (Joshua 2). God’s desire is that the wicked turn from their sin rather than die (Ezekiel 18:31-32, 33:11).
God in HIs mercy gave them 400 years to turn from thier immorality, and child sacrifices. Unlike in our times, back then the Canaanites KNEW God’s power!
You ask, then ” what about the children?” We must keep several things in mind. First, no human person (including infants) is truly innocent. The Scripture teaches that we are all born in sin (Psalm 51:5, 58:3).
Secondly, God is sovereign over all of life and can take it whenever He sees fit. God, and God alone, can give life and God alone has the right to take it whenever He so chooses. In fact, He ultimately takes every person’s life at death. It is not our life to begin with but God’s.
Third, an argument could be made that it would have been cruel for God to take the lives of all the Canaanites except the infants and children. Without the protection and support of their parents, the infants and small children were likely to face death anyway due to starvation. The chances of survival for an orphan in the ancient Near East were not good.
Finally, and most importantly, God may have provided for the salvation for those infants who would not have otherwise attained salvation if they had lived into adulthood. *We must remember that the Canaanites were a barbarous and evil culture. *(Sound familiar yet?)
If all infants and young children who die before an age of moral accountability go straight to heaven (as we believe), then those children are in a far better place than if God had allowed them to live and grow to maturity in a depraved culture.
Remember this… God sees things from an “eternal perspective,” and His ways are not our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9). The Apostle Paul tells us that God is both kind and severe (Romans 11:22). While it is true that God’s holy character demands that sin be punished, His grace and mercy remain extended to those who are willing to repent and be saved. The Canaanite destruction provides us with a sober reminder that while our God is gracious and merciful, He is also a God of holiness and wrath.
In the times we are living in, God is the same as He was back then, and will be in the future…He changes not. He see’s all, He knows all, always present in our midst.
May the “peace” that passes all understanding, keep your hearts and minds in the Lord and Savior Jesus the Messiah. <3 (Jesus is the “peace.”)
Ron:
Call Obama. He is looking for someone like you to be his outreach to pro-lifers czar.
“Your flaw (with eternal consequences) is assuming you know my God” – well I for one can’t assume to know that which does not exist Eric.
“In truth, every part of this spectacular universe declares His holy attributes” – I disagree.
“so that you are without excuse for your rebellion against Him.” - nor can I rebel against that which doesn’t exist.
“Reject Him and prepare for the judgment” – bring it on!
“men don’t get pregnant.”
So? I don’t see how the location of the child whose right to live is in question or which parent has more caregiver responsibilities of said child to be relevant when it comes to the “right” to kill the child. The original point stands.
As for dismissive hand-wave of everything else I said, I’ll just sit here and drink up the irony of a man doing that to me. A woman. Yup. You’re sooo all about teh wimminz.
Christ’s death is presented as sufficient for all of mankind. First John 2:2 says Jesus is “the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.” This verse is clear that Jesus’ death was sufficient for all sins, not just the sins of those who specifically have come to Him in faith. The fact that Christ’s death was sufficient for all sin would allow the possibility of God’s applying that payment to those who were never capable of believing.
Just because you ‘don’t see how the location of the child whose right to live is in question or which parent has more caregiver responsibilities of said child to be relevant when it comes to the “right” to kill the child.’ doesn’t mean ‘The original point stands.”, not at all.
“I’ll just sit here and drink up the irony of a man doing that to me. A woman. Yup.” – it wasn’t because you’re a woman, nice try. It was because you are wrong. Your little list of “Kill your child, and you can keep your job.”-USING US.” type stuff is nothing more than political sloganeering, very much like the tea party would do (except you spell better).
“You’re sooo all about teh wimminz” – I am, I am. Freedom and choice.
Try hitting the “B” button cathy.
@Carla- Thanks! I’ll check it out!
I hate abortion because in the vast majority of cases it doesn’t help, it hurts. All of the women I personally know of who had an abortion still struggle with regret and depression over their choice. One family friend was pressured into it by her husband who already had two kids from a previous marriage. She wanted the baby but eventually gave in to his wishes, she was afraid of his threats. She mentioned once, 7 years later, that instead of seeing her beautiful daughter walking towards her she just sees her piece of sh*t husband instead. She went on to suffer psychological problems and they are divorced now. I know the story is anecdotal, but I don’t know a single woman who obtained joy, peace, or fulfillment from “exercising her right to choose.”
“Kill your child, and you can keep your job.”
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, anybody?
Bush supported murder, too. It was called the iraq war. but that is OK with you phonies, isn’t it? See, some of you are convenient hypocrites!
Let’s not forget the victims of Obama’s stretch of the Iraq war; not to mention the victims of his drone attacks, some of whom were young kids. You obviously support all of these Presidential murders – so that makes you a complete phony, you hypocrite!
What’s that you say? I’m making completely unwarranted assumptions about you and your beliefs?!?! And then proceeding to attack you on the basis of these imagined conclusions?!
Not a very nice thing to do, is it?
Perhaps you should learn not to do the same thing yourself. Seriously. You do not have a clue about what anyone here thinks until you ask them. There are people from all across the political spectrum here and you shouldn’t just be making any assumptions about what any of us think about the war or civilian casualties and how it relates to death by abortion.
I can tell the only reason you are trying this ploy is that you have no reasoned arguments whatsoever in favor of the pro-abortion stance, and have to go with the mud-flinging. You and Ron are both totally bankrupt in your thinking.
(I refuse to call whatever it is that Reality does “thinking”).
“(I refuse to call whatever it is that Reality does “thinking”).’ – of course not. You can’t recognise it because someone else does yours for you :-)
http://WWW.ABORTION—MY-HEART-WEEPS-TEARS-OF-BLOOD.NET
Mommy of 3,
Totally agree. Thank you!!
Tiny severed hands and arms and legs and heads. All covered in blood.
And this thread AGAIN is taken over by trolls who talk of ANYTHING other than the tiny, torn bodies covered in blood. Killed by abortion. Killed in the procedure they celebrate. Your cognitive dissonance is showing.
God help you lovers of death.
America commemorates 40 years of war on the child – yes, I said child. This carnage against the children in the womb has had devastating repercussions on those children who survived the womb. Study after study concluding that children prosper most in homes where they are cared for by their biological mother and father united in marriage, and how do Americans over 18 years respond? By not marrying, by creating children out of wedlock and then either aborting them or raising them without their fathers. By viewing children as an entitlement to have no matter how many embryos are killed in the ART process. By killing off the siblings of our children because the perfect family is 2 or maybe 3 children.
As a contributor of one child to the carnage, I grieve for her (or him) and because of the cold-heartedness that we all share.
Ron – surely then you are not okay with the children being killed by drone strikes initiated by Obama. To date we know that there have been over 100 children killed due to US drone strikes during President Obama’s first term. If you had a problem with – as you allege – babies were killed by Bush, the you must also take President Obama to task for his single handed decisions with regard to the drone strikes and the innocent children they have killed.
Too bad it’s not just sloganeering though. Mr. X personally knows a former executive chef of his to whom it was “heavily suggested” that she abort or else her continued employment was in question, and that it would definitely halt her advancement within the company or ability to experience a raise. Due to financial burden on the company and not any hostility towards her for being pregnant, of course! *wink, wink, hint, hint*
And those were other women who ran that business. But, it’s okay, because they’re women who think like Reality and Megan. So, nothing to see here, everyone. Freedom and choice, freedom and choice. Harrumph!
Merit/Steve/Ron/Cary/Paul/Henry/Marty/Randy,
You will be deleted until you can PICK A MONIKER and stick with it.
For the record, Ron or whoever you are, many prolifers, including myself, opposed the Iraq war. It also saddens me to see the bloodshed in Syria. Many of the victims are children, some quite young. But it seems that many people are more concerned about Dutchess Kate’s baby and other “issues.” Why all this fuss over one child when so many children in the world are in need?
Can anyone explain why the conversation about abortion, the killing of helpless and defenseless babies digressed into war? I noticed that the first debaters to bring up the topic was the pro-choice side. Hmmm… the best defense is a good offense, attacking by using straw-man arguments.
Come one pro-life, don’t give in to their obvious divergence from the topic at hand, which is the mass killing of the unborn. Don’t placate the real issue by addressing topics brought up only to distract from the real issue here.
What does pro-choice have to say after reading the following comments made by the abortionists themselves?! :
They [the women] are never allowed to look at the ultrasound because we knew that if they so much as heard the heart beat, they wouldn’t want to have an abortion. –Dr. Randall, former abortionist
Telling those women their fetuses feel pain is heaping torment upon torment. These women have real pain. They did not come to this decision easily. Creating another barrier for them to get the medical care they need is really unfair. –Abortionist Dave Turok
This is why I hate overuse of forceps – things tear. There are only two kinds of doctors who have never perforated a uterus, those that lie and those who don’t do abortions. –Anonymous Abortionist
I got to where I couldn’t stand to look at the little bodies anymore. -Dr. Beverly McMillan, former abortionist
If I see a case…after twenty weeks, where it frankly is a child to me, I really agonize over it because the potential is so imminently there…On the other hand, I have another position, which I think is superior in the hierarchy of questions, and that is “who owns this child?” It’s got to be the mother. -Dr. James MacMahon, abortionist
I am amazed that certain people on this website blame President Bush for the death of innocent children and then immediately turn around and support abortion. This appears to be the highest for of hypocrisy I have ever heard of. The death of any child is abhorrent, but to criticize one person for it and then applauded another is despicable. If we are going to protect even one child, we should protect ALL children. Once conceived, every child does everything it possibly can to survive. Sonograms have shown proof of this. Self centeredness is NO REASON to kill anybody.
As I said on another thread, no matter how many children die in elective legal abortions, the abortionists and their minions will never be satisfied. There is no amount of blood that is enough. 55 million isn’t enough. 6 out of 10 isn’t enough. Reality comes on just to troll, week after week, and yet he’s too much of a coward to admit how many of his own children he has paid to kill. What a huge COWARD. And don’t even try to say it’s nobody’s business, because you over-share ALL THE TIME. Admit it, coward, tell us the body count. Or are you ASHAMED?
I’ll be forthcoming: one, 25 years ago. Saves: one. 2011.
Thank God that there were some there who were standing up for the truth! God bless them for it! It’s sad to think that most of those people there probably saw nothing wrong with the pictures that showed what abortion really is.
http://www.avoiceforhope.com/
The truth on choice…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXZCOaRVrbg
Tut tut ninek, that sounds a bit ‘tired and emotional’.
I do not recall being asked “how many of (my) own children (I have) paid to kill”. From memory, you asked me – generically – how many I had paid to be killed, to which I responded that I couldn’t know the exact number any more than you could know how many you’ve paid for. We all pay taxes.
But if you are now asking how many products of conception (zygotes. embryos, fetuses, babies, children – whatever you wish to call them) directly involving myself I have paid to be terminated, the answer is none.
“the abortionists and their minions will never be satisfied. There is no amount of blood that is enough. 55 million isn’t enough. 6 out of 10 isn’t enough.” - a couple of really strong slogans there. Why not make them into placards and parade the streets. I fully endorse you enacting the behaviors which harm your cause.
“But, it’s okay, because they’re women who think like Reality and Megan.”
What are you talking about? I fully support efforts that enable women (and men) to raise children and remain competitive in the workplace. Equal pay, parental leave, access to comprehensive health care — how many of these issues have pro-lifers actually championed in recent years?
Yeah. I thought so.
Dear Pope Benedict the XVI
Mother Mary in her messages to the visionaries of Medjugorje asked us not to criticise or judge our clergy but to instead pray as GOD will be thier judge,
Having said that I find it difficult to understand how you congatulated Obama when he was reelected for a second term, knowing fully that he is pro-choice, he is THE greatest propogator of abortion since all the presidents, I think you should have condemed his reelection in the strongest possible terms and send a message to the American people that had made a bad choice
This brings to mind Pope Pius the XVI who was the pope during World War two, the ferocious atrocities committed against the human race by the German people and Hitler, is unequalled in human history, and yet very little was said by him or just a wimper of protest
Popes have immense power given by GOD to them and instead of being frightened by people like Obama and Hitler the Popes should have lashed out a continuous barrage of crticism and condemnation of Obama and hitler
Sadly, for 40 years we have lived in a world where the youngest human beings are disposable – literally. And I agree that this has affected all our children. There is little protection for children in our society. God bless Barb and all those who now understand and grieve their lost offspring. I wish that all women would see the reality of abortion, the reality of the little beings growing within them and turn away from the “third option”. I wish that the Roe v. Wade decision would become moot because women would find another way to protect their dignity, protect their fertility and nurture their offspring.
Burnard, we know some of the catholic hierarchy worked hand in glove with hitler.
But that certainly doesn’t seem to be the case with obama.
“how many of these issues have pro-lifers actually championed in recent years?”
Actually, a lot. Students for Life and Feminists for Life do a lot of that kind of work. Do many pro-“choice” entities do such work?
Burnard, Having trouble finding the Pope’s address? Google is your friend.
@Reality
Watch this video and let me know your thoughts. I think that seeing, sometimes, is believing. That is to say if you have the courage to look…
http://www.herestheblood.com/
What, you think I haven’t viewed that sort of thing before Mommy of 3? Seriously? The usual mix of a couple of aborted fetuses mixed in with miscarriages and similar procedures.
And in case you doubt me, I watched it all the way from the bodies of those killed in conflicts etc., past the usual coin comparison and on beyond the person wrapping a dead fetus up. The music was a bit twee, something from The Cult, Prodigy or Queens of the Stone Age may have been better.
Maybe your efforts would achieve more if you tried to help actual people such as those shown in the first 30 seconds rather than developing fetuses.
@Reality
You really do go on attack mode whenever someone confronts your opinion don’t you? Your lackluster presumptions are baseless and less than stellar.
I try my best with everyone I come into contact with, but unfortunately I can’t make the unreasonable become reasonable. Though I need to say thank you for actually watching he video. I’m just really disappointed it didn’t sadden you as it did me.
I’ll end with the words of John Piper, “When two rights conflict, the higher value should be protected.”
@Reality
You really do go on attack mode whenever someone confronts your opinion don’t you? Your lackluster presumptions are baseless and less than stellar.
I try my best with everyone I come into contact with, but unfortunately I can’t make the unreasonable become reasonable. Though I need to say thank you for actually watching he video. I’m just really disappointed it didn’t sadden you as it did me.
I’ll end with the words of John Piper, “When two rights conflict, the higher value should be protected.”
You didn’t confront my opinion. You asked me to watch the video.
Nor was I in attack mode, I simply pointed out that you appear to place more value on developing fetuses than people harmed in conflicts. It appeared that way to me because you asked me to watch a video which showed about 30 seconds or less of poeple killed in conflict followed by a much longer period of time focussed on fetuses.
Can’t say I disagree with John Piper. Obviously many around here place a higher value on fetuses than women.
Obviously many around here place a higher value on fetuses than women.
No, they place both at the same value. They place a higher value on the right to life than the right to avoid pregnancy and childbirth. I think you already knew that though.
wrapping a dead fetus up
A fetus is in the womb and a baby is outside the womb. That small human being wrapped in butcher paper was definitely outside the womb which makes this human a baby. You are so confused, Reality.
I’m just really disappointed it didn’t sadden you as it did me.
Reality is incapable of feeling the same range of emotions as most of us. It’s a result of poor choice after poor choice after poor choice. Or as some Christians may say: one sin leads to another and another and another….
As a clarification of MY position Reality, my husband and I have spent thousands of dollars, invested a lot of time and energy, collecting supplies and clothing to send with my parents who are missionaries to Narok, Kenya. So, though I prefer to stay on topic, in this case it is abortion, I wanted you to know abortion isn’t the only ministry I’m deeply involved in. In case you think I’m telling a fib, you can check out my Mom’s website for their Non-profit organization at joyfulhandsintl.com.
I place a high value in human life, born and unborn. I try my best to educate those who are willing to learn and listen. You have been arrogant and argumentative (not that you were alone in this, but I’m speaking of your comments to me specifically), you are unwilling to be open minded or have an open heart. I can not, I refuse, to pursue a fruitless conversation with you further. I will be prayin for you, but as you cannot see reason, and present zero evidence for your cause and continue to provoke and say provocative clichés, I just can’t participate.
I truly am sorry for someone whose heart is not moved at such graphic violence and images. I will pray.
It seems to me if someone was truly pro choice, the would want these children to be given the opportunity to live and make choices of their own.
Thank you for the assistance you and your parents are providing in Africa Mommy of 3. Pity some of the evangelicals aren’t focussed on doing the same rather than trying to coerce governments into applying the death penalty for homosexuality.
“you are unwilling to be open minded or have an open heart” – aw, thats not nice. I’m here. I see the images. I watched your video. I listen to what the people here say. I seek information elsewhere. I give and have given my time, effort and money to various causes over the years. I do have an open heart and an open mind.
Your claim “you cannot see reason, and present zero evidence for your cause and continue to provoke and say provocative clichés” causes me to feel that it may be you who is not open minded or open hearted.
Reality, I appreciate your thanks.
I am pregnant, 17 weeks to be exact. My first 3D ultrasound was at 12 weeks when I found out we were having a girl. I saw her sucking her thumb, moving in my womb, her little heart beating. At 14 weeks I was able to feel her first flutters of movements that have only grown stronger. I wonder how it’s possible for anyone to be in favor of anyone’s choice to rip her from her life if it was desired. You said you watched the video and listen to what people say, I really don’t understand is how can you see the images and not be moved? How can you really and truly believe that this is not wrong?
Congratulations, I hope all goes well for you.
No one said abortion was nice or fun. Lots of the realities of life aren’t.
When you weigh up a developing fetus against everything which takes place, the vagaries, the events, the outcomes, the acts and experiences of life from the cradle to the grave, real life wins.
Hm, “from the cradle to the grave” – wonder who gave us that saying.
No one said abortion was nice or fun.
Maybe not nice and fun but wouldn’t you agree that abortion is sexy and romantic, baby?
Heh, heh, heh, heh. Mmmm Mmmmm Mmmmmmmmmm!
The Affordable Care Act provides $25 million a year for at-risk pregnant women through its Pregnancy Assistance Fund. That’s right: when Obamacare isn’t forcing all women to abort their firstborns, it’s…providing competitive grants to programs that can help them continue their pregnancies and lead self-sufficient lives. I should add that “Feminists” for Life was a big supporter of this legislation.
Curious that we haven’t heard about this here.
Also, regarding “Feminists” for Life:
True feminists treat women as full moral agents capable of making reproductive decisions for themselves. “Feminists” for Life is right to point out the constraints that exist on women’s reproductive decision making, but they’re totally wrong in perpetuating the lie that women are just sad, helpless little morons waiting to be duped by the “abortion industry,” and that if only all structural barriers were removed, all abortion-minded women would invariably choose to give birth.
Pro-life = pro-coerced gestation = pro-torture.
BV, your pole is calling you.
What’s up with you Praxedes? Your responses over the last day or so have been quite comparable to someone on a ‘bender’, or too many meds.
Blue Velvet, what I read in your post is that not allowing someone to kill their child is torture. While, as a father, I admit, that having kids can be torture sometimes, I still would not want them dead. If the abortion industry is so honest, why do they always oppose the laws that allow the mothers to make a more informed decision, like requiring ultrasounds that would show the mother how developed their children are? That is because they know that if they really had to have true informed consent, their profits would decrease.
Also, why do they always fight against parental consent laws? I mean my child can not get any other medical treatment without my consent except in an emergency, but they can kill my grandchild without my ever knowing about it (if the pro abortion people have their way)
Your responses over the last day or so have been quite comparable to someone on a ‘bender’, or too many meds.
Wrong again, baby. I don’t even do caffeine anymore. I’m fully enjoying showing newcomers to Jill’s what our resident nutter is made of. Heh, heh, heh. You do notice prolife sites get more likes everyday, no?
Did you miss my question, Reality? Wouldn’t you agree that abortion is sexy and romantic, baby?
Hm, with all the heh heh heh’s and mmm mmm mmm’s and some of the things you’ve said, I’m sure they’re getting a pretty good idea.
“Wouldn’t you agree that abortion is sexy and romantic, baby?” – so you didn’t read what I said to Mommy of 3 earlier then? No I don’t think abortion is sexy and romantic.
Wow, no-one’s called me ‘baby’ since three relationships ago! ;-)
Thanks for standing with us against the Center for Reproductive Rights, Reality.
Great start.
Did I miss the bit where they said abortion is sexy and romantic or was it just in your overactive imagination? Do tell :-)
And thanks for showing any newcomers…..
Yup you missed it.
No, I didn’t. It’s not there.
Even if it was, I would still support the Center for Reproductive Rights.
True feminists treat women as full moral agents capable of making reproductive decisions for themselves.
Megan,
Yep. And Feminists for Life do. Problem is, if a woman is pregnant, she’s ALREADY reproduced, and the choices left are “parenting” or “adoption”, since “kill the child who has been created” is not a valid decision to make.
There is no coercion involved in gestation/birth. I didn’t need someone to keep a knife to my neck the whole 9 months with either of my children to maintain the pregnancies. When I needed help in labor with my son, Picotin was administered, as terroristic threats to my cervix were completely ineffective.
However, I do agree with you, that their notion of women as a whole being poor little sheep deceived and manipulated into pawns of the abortion industry is naive, to say the least. I know for a fact some women are just that COLD-BLOODED and CRUEL.
;)
When you weigh up a developing fetus against everything which takes place, the vagaries, the events, the outcomes, the acts and experiences of life from the cradle to the grave, real life wins.
Such flowery words to say, “I just think one human life happens to be worth less than another human life, because the former is hard for me to fathom as ‘actual’, so for whatever reason I’ve decided to classify the former as ‘not real’ so I don’t have to consider them at all.”
I know. Science is hard. Must make your head hurt somethin’ awful just coming here every day.
No, I didn’t. It’s not there.
You asked the question, little man. Don’t argue with me when I give you my answer.
Nutters are so fun to rile.
Reality, while i’m glad and appreciate the fact that you admitted to some sort of distaste at the act of abortion by saying it’s “not nice,” I wanted to correct your statement that abortion is a “reality of life.” It’s really the reality of a premature and unnatural death of something that was alive at the start.
If a single celled creature is found on Mars, scientist would be in an uproar that “life” has been found elsewhere in the galaxy. However, these same scientists conclude that a complex and living organism living inside a mother’s womb is not a “life” and deem it her choice to do with it what she wishes.
A collection of thoughts on why abortion is wrong:
•The best defense of abortion is to dehumanize that which you are about to destroy.
•The right of the unborn not to be killed and the right of a woman not to be pregnant are real, but not equal rights.
•When the unborn are wanted, they are treated as children and patients. When they are not wanted, they are not children.
•Anecdotally, abortionists will admit they are killing children.
•States treat the killing of the unborn as a homicide.
•Fetal surgery treats the unborn as children and patients.
•Being small does not disqualify personhood.
•Not having developed reasoning does not disqualify personhood.
•Being in the womb does not disqualify human personhood. How does the simple journey through 7 inches of birth canal suddenly transform the essential nature of the fetus from non-person to person?
•Being dependent on mommy does not disqualify personhood.
•The genetic make up of humans is unique.
•All the organs are present at eight weeks of gestation. (yet vast majorities of abortions are performed after eight weeks)
•We have seen the photographs.
•When two rights conflict, the HIGHER VALUE SHOULD BE PROTECTED. Staying alive is more important than not being pregnant.
Are you okay, Praxedes?
Reality, I cannot comprehend how you can classify one human life as being worth less than another. I refuse to even attach the term “innocent” to the unborn because guilt or innocence should hold no bearing on a human being’s right to live his or her life.
Killing an unborn human being is not a “reality of life,” as you called it, any more than domestic violence or violent crime is a “reality of life.” We don’t just sit back and allow these things in our communities, and we should not just sit back and allow abortion to occur either.
Oh xalisae, will you never get it. Someone who is already born, living their life and interacting with people and the world is more important than a developing fetus, some of which may never see the light of day anyway. This refers to your point also Len.
I know xalisae. real life is hard. Must make your head hurt somethin’ awful just being here every day.
When you’re right I won’t argue with you Praxedes. In this case I will because you are wrong. I think you are demonstrating who the nutter is more than adequately.
“•The right of the unborn not to be killed and the right of a woman not to be pregnant are real, but not equal rights.” – correct. The right of a woman not to be pregnant is greater. This negates your other points. Some of which aren’t argument at all.
“•The genetic make up of humans is unique.” – so what?
“•We have seen the photographs” – and?
“•When two rights conflict, the HIGHER VALUE SHOULD BE PROTECTED. Staying alive is more important than not being pregnant” – and staying alive is more important than being pregnant.
That really doesn’t make sense, Reality. You are saying that interacting with people contributes to someone’s worth as a human being? So a hermit’s life is somehow worth less than an extrovert’s?
You cannot throw out reasons for one human being’s life is more important than another. You can say that you believe that a woman’s wish to not be pregnant overrides her offspring’s right to live it’s life, but that just makes you sound like a sociopath.
If everyone was to step back from the emotional aspect of the abortion debate and look at it that way there really is no argument for abortion.
“BV, your pole is calling you.”
Lady, you can take your sad conversion story, empty prayers, and bland suburban existence and shove it.
“When I needed help in labor with my son, Picotin was administered, as terroristic threats to my cervix were completely ineffective.”
Yes, enduring an unwanted pregnancy is just all craps and giggles. It’s not miserable or traumatizing at all to have your body inhabited against your will and ripped open at the end of it all. This isn’t cruelty? This isn’t torture?
BV, enduring an unwanted pregnancy is more traumatic than having chemicals injected into the place you should be safest to burn you to death? or having your limbs and body torn apart while you are still alive? Except in the case of rape, the women voluntarily engage in the behavior that causes pregnancy…They have made their choice. If you choose to engage in behavior that can result in a human life being created, you are responsible for that life. If your LIFE is in danger, then that may be a legitimate reason to have an abortion. But, if you look at the statistics, instances of rape, incest and the saving of a mother’s life account for less than 5% of all abortions.
Reality, the right of a woman not to be pregnant is more important than the LIFE of her baby? Human life is human life. According to Thomas Jefferson, all men (and that means humans, not just males) have an unalienable right to life. Are you saying our nation was founded on a lie? Is life not an unalienable right?
“•The right of the unborn not to be killed and the right of a woman not to be pregnant are real, but not equal rights.” – correct. The right of a woman not to be pregnant is greater. This negates your other points. Some of which aren’t argument at all.-The right to LIFE is unalienable
Reality-
In answer to your post I have added comments at the end of your comments
“•The genetic make up of humans is unique.” – so what?-so the baby is not a part of the mother, it is a separate human with unique DNA.
“•We have seen the photographs” – and? you are ok with what is done to the babies?
“•When two rights conflict, the HIGHER VALUE SHOULD BE PROTECTED. Staying alive is more important than not being pregnant” – and staying alive is more important than being pregnant.-less than 5% of abortions are to keep the mother alive. This point is totally invalid. Most pro life people I know will accept abortions to protect the mother’s life…ie if the mother will die if she doesn’t get the abortion
“Is life not an unalienable right?” – why not ask a supporter of the death penalty?
When founding fathers made various statements about life and rights and stuff I very much doubt that fetuses were part of their thinking.
“so the baby is not a part of the mother, it is a separate human with unique DNA.” – so what.
“you are ok with what is done to the babies?” – I’m ok with what happens to developing fetuses.
“less than 5% of abortions are to keep the mother alive” – and what about the years after giving birth to an unwanted child?
Yes, enduring an unwanted pregnancy is just all craps and giggles. It’s not miserable or traumatizing at all to have your body inhabited against your will…
I never said that. It’s weird, and it sucks a lot, depending on your circumstances. I can’t sit here and tell you honestly that there weren’t times that I’d look down at my pregnant belly when I was carrying my daughter, see the lump of her fist or foot pass over me and think, “Gah…my life would be soooo much easier and happier and better if you would just GO AWAY and put things back the way they were before you happened!”
I didn’t know it back then, but I was wrong. Thinking that was wrong. And, there was nothing I could do to change things. Yeah, I got knocked-up when I didn’t want to, by a P.O.S. who didn’t want her. Too bad. It’s not “torture”. It’s motherhood. It’s the natural order of things, and I’m sorry if you or I don’t like it, but it’s just how things work, and killing our kids isn’t the answer to how much it sucks. I’m not going to cry and writhe on my living room carpet in a hissy fit then stab the Domino’s dude in the face because being fat sucks and ooooooohhhhhh have mercy this is krooltee and torechur omigosh!!!!! WAAAAAAHHHH.
Doesn’t work like that. Other people don’t have to pay for MY mistakes or MY actions, Megan. Your kid shouldn’t have had to pay with their life for yours.
…and ripped open at the end of it all.
lol, tokophobia. Woman-up, honey. It’s really not. that. bad.
Are you okay, Praxedes?
Yes, you? Just fighting fire with fire. I was gifted with scrappy passion for the preborn. I’ll stop now and let you take over, len. Anyway, I should know from my bartending years that if you spend too much time talking with certain guys, they think you’re flirting with them.
“Is life not an unalienable right?” – why not ask a supporter of the death penalty?-I am a supporter of the death penalty…the people on death row have had life and the chance to make their own choices and mistakes.
When founding fathers made various statements about life and rights and stuff I very much doubt that fetuses were part of their thinking. And they didn’t think too much about fetuses because it was not a part of their thinking that a woman would actually kill her baby before it was born. I’m sure they would be shocked if they knew what we were doing to human life.
“so the baby is not a part of the mother, it is a separate human with unique DNA.” – so what.-evidently you are ok with killing human beings by ripping them apart. I am not ok with that.
“you are ok with what is done to the babies?” – I’m ok with what happens to developing fetuses.-they are unborn babies.
“less than 5% of abortions are to keep the mother alive” – and what about the years after giving birth to an unwanted child?-there are many people who would love to adopt. And don’t give me the crap about special needs kids not being adopted. I know a couple who adopted a baby and found out ahead of time that he would be special needs…before his birth. They still wanted him and have loved him for over 10 years (so far)
“I am a supporter of the death penalty…” – so you’re not really pro-life.
“the people on death row have had life and the chance to make their own choices and mistakes.” – not always.
“I’m sure they would be shocked if they knew what we were doing to human life.” – it happened in their time too. Abortion has always been with us.
“I am not ok with that.” - you don’t have to be. No-one is forcing you to have an abortion.
“they are unborn babies.” – that is what a developing fetus is.
“there are many people who would love to adopt.” – I was actually talking about the women.
Did you lie to them and call them baby Praxedes? ;-)
and what about the years after giving birth to an unwanted child?…I was actually talking about the women.
You rang? Umm…sucks for awhile, but eventually crap kinda evens out and everything’s okay. So…we can stop abortion now! Yay!
“but eventually crap kinda evens out and everything’s okay.” – not for everyone, not always.
“So…we can stop abortion now! Yay” – never have, never will.
Playing a player. Easier than selling beer to a drunk.
Sorry, Len, I couldn’t resist. Scrap on.
So, people on death row have not had an opportunity to make choices and mistakes for themselves? I know some are innocent who have been executed and I think there should be more definitive proof before execution, but everyone on death row had had a chance to live. They have had a chance to make choices and mistakes. Aborted babies will never get a chance to make any choices. Sounds like it is the opposite of pro choice.
And you didn’t respond to one of my points: evidently you are ok with killing human beings by ripping them apart.
Is it ok with you that human beings are being ripped apart with no chance to defend themselves?
Or is it ok with you that people who have taken an oath to do no harm are the ones killing human beings by ripping them apart?
it is called the Hippocratic Oath and one line from it reads, “I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy”
Abortionists are breaking their oath.
“When founding fathers made various statements about life and rights and stuff I very much doubt that fetuses were part of their thinking. And they didn’t think too much about fetuses because it was not a part of their thinking that a woman would actually kill her baby before it was born. I’m sure they would be shocked if they knew what we were doing to human life.”
Ok people need to stop saying this. Abortion has been around for millenia, along with pretty much every other type of human behavior, good or bad. The Founding Fathers may or may not have considered fetuses when they were thinking about rights (they certainly weren’t thinking about minorities), but to act like they would have never heard of abortion is just ridiculous. St Augustine wrote about abortion and that was almost two thousand years ago.
How did I miss this? What I get for skimming, I suppose:
“Oh xalisae, will you never get it.”
You offer nothing of any substance to “get”.
“Someone who is already born, living their life and interacting with people and the world is more important than a developing fetus, some of which may never see the light of day anyway.”
Yeah. The only difference between the first bit you described and the second bit you described is the “already born” part, and I fail to see how that is a sufficient justification for robbing someone of their humanity. And oh, they might die before they are born. Well, I might die before menopause. Please, don’t kill me.
“I know xalisae. real life is hard. Must make your head hurt somethin’ awful just being here every day.”
lol. Calling one human being’s life “real” and implying that another’s is non-existent or fake does not make it so. Your lack of comprehension of the words “real” and “life” (particularly when used in conjunction with one another) do not make the lives lived in utero any less real.
Finally! Someone who has the courage to show Obama-and the general public-pictures of what abortion really is. There must be literally thousands of pictures through the Internet. We all should bombard the House, PP, and everyone who supports abortion on a regular basis. These pictures should be inserted at the very least on blogs, Twitter, Facebook, and the Sunday newspaper…basically when an opportunity presents itself.
Oh xalisae, will you never get it.
“The only difference between the first bit you described and the second bit you described is the “already born” part” – you know that’s not true. Come on, where’s all that sciencey stuff?
“Calling one human being’s life “real” and implying that another’s is non-existent or fake does not make it so” – LOL. The ‘real life’ I was referring to was what actually takes place as we live in the world, how things are, rather than some imaginary rainbows and unicorns world where every egg and every sperm will unite to become magnificent citizens of the universe.
“Oh xalisae, will you never get it.”
From you? Never, since you’re not offering anything to “get”.
“you know that’s not true. Come on, where’s all that sciencey stuff?”
“All that sciencey stuff” is what tells me that it IS true. There is no swapping of organisms. There is no “body-snatchers” moment that transforms the life of a human being experiencing living in the embryonic or fetal stages into “real life”, whatever that is supposed to mean. Life is life, alive is alive. There is no scientific classification of “real life” versus “fake life”-whatever you imagine the latter to be, Delusionality.
“The ‘real life’ I was referring to was what actually takes place as we live in the world, how things are…”
Then, you’re nuts, because that’s what I was talking about, too, and every gestating human being growing away inside their amniotic sac is just as alive in this “world, how things are” as you and I are, sir.
“…rather than some imaginary rainbows and unicorns world where every egg and every sperm will unite to become magnificent citizens of the universe.”
Thank god, because I wasn’t talking about some parallel dimension where that is the case, either. My mom has had miscarriages. I’ve had deaths in my family of young cousins that I played with in childhood who never had the opportunity to become adult “magnificent citizens of the universe”. I don’t live in some magical, mystical land where natural death doesn’t occur and men only produce one sperm at a time, and only utilize it at the exact moment their woman partner is releasing her single egg after agreeing to procreate before coitus. I don’t live in that world. But I do live in the world where, after ANY sperm has combined at amphimixis with ANY ovum, a new human organism which is a new human being has begun their life, and should therefore be entitled to the basic human rights we all are, starting with the right to live. Guess what, “Reality”? YOU live in this world, too.
Oh, “Reality”…you will never get it. Apparently.
“All that sciencey stuff” is what tells me that it IS true” – you’re still missing, or is that avoiding, the point.
“just as alive in this “world, how things are” as you and I are, sir.” – no, they’re not.
“Guess what, “Reality”? YOU live in this world, too” – that would be the world where women have endevoured to control their own fertility probably since somewhere about the time fire was tamed. And still do.
Now that, I think you get.
“just as alive in this “world, how things are” as you and I are, sir.” – no, they’re not.
Wow. I knew the womb was special, but I had no idea it was an other world dimension. Thanks for setting that straight “Reality”.
Hahahahahaha
Does shallow thinking allow you to live in a world of rainbows and unicorns too Lrning?
There are two aspects to the sentence I said ‘no, they’re not’ to.
“you’re still missing, or is that avoiding, the point.”
At this point I’m certain you have no point except the top of your head.
“no, they’re not.”
I’m certain that will come as a surprise to a good many obstetricians whose occupation it is to ensure that those inhabitants of the womb are, in fact, just as alive as you or I on a daily basis via prenatal appointments.
“that would be the world where women have endevoured to control their own fertility probably since somewhere about the time fire was tamed. And still do.”
Yep. That world. The one where we STILL haven’t figured it out 100%, and, despite our best efforts, still manage to be sufficiently fertile to conceive many times. Yep. That world. The world where, even if we DO try our very best not to conceive, and we still do, the result of that conception more often than not is a new human being who is every bit as alive as you or I. The world where human beings should and often do find themselves entitled to certain basic rights by default, that chief among these is the right to live. THAT WORLD.
Yep.
So yeah, you’ve still missed, or avoided, the point.
“just as alive as you or I” – that’s juts a part of it.
And you keep one foot in rainbow and unicorn world.
that’s juts a part of it.
Sure. I still have yet to receive a satisfactory answer as to the “why” or “how” of your insistence upon this.
And you keep one foot in rainbow and unicorn world.
You’re the one who obviously is doing a great deal of rationalization in an attempt to justify the atrocity which you openly and gladly support. I suppose in your world, when the cervix opens and the amniotic sac ruptures, confetti comes out instead of a dead child.
There is a world of difference (pardon the pun) between a developing fetus and a person from about 18 months onwards after birth.
“rationalization in an attempt to justify” – no, recognition of a situation which we see is accepted as necessary.
“the atrocity which you openly and gladly support” – its not an atrocity.
There is a world of difference (pardon the pun) between a developing fetus and a person from about 18 months onwards after birth.
okay. So, we don’t “turn into people” until after 18 months post-birth? We really need to make sure we get this very, very clear so that we know who it is okay to kill. And then there’s the fact that there’s a huge difference between a child-especially a female child-of about 6 years or so and a post-menopausal woman. Oh, and also between a sexually-mature young woman of about 18 years old and the 6 year old AND the post-menopausal woman. Geeze. All these differences…there’s gotta be at least one more stage of life it should be alright to kill another human being in! I’m sure if you sit there rationalizing some more, you can find it, Mr. Necessary.
Since we carry, on average, a few hundred novel genetic mutations relative to our parents, that isn’t shared between us and all other humans, are we still human? If we have a cytologically detectable chromosomal rearrangement, are we still human? How many differences are allowed between two genomes before you can say one is not of the same species as the other? Is an embryo with a unique deletion in one chromosome still human? If an embryo has a unique mutation that makes it infertile as an adult when interbreeding with other members of the species, is it still human?
If an embryo has a unique mutation that makes it infertile as an adult when interbreeding with other members of the species, is it still human?
Most likely.
At the most extreme in terms of probability, what could possibly happen would be what, perhaps a variance great enough to be considered a new species? But that would STILL be within the genus “homo”, which still encompasses the organism being a human being. What I find most disturbing though is your a.) outlandish scenario that you must STREEEEEETCH OUT to try and legitimize your position, and b.) the fact that you would use that as an excuse to kill rather than attempting to err the most on the side of caution and using it as an argument to protect more lives rather than to take more.
P.S. If your name is not “Chris”, you are a plagiarizer.
Obama, the abortion president:
http://nation.foxnews.com/abortion/2013/01/25/gop-rep-obama-abortion-president
I’d just like to close by saying that you KNOW your position is outlandish, Reality. Not only outlandish, but moot. You KNOW it. Why must you be so disingenuous? Oh. I think I know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFfNUBypo2k&feature=youtu.be&hd=1&noredirect=1
After skimming through this thread, (I may have missed some things), the question I find myself left with is who died and made BV the queen of the feminists? Seriously, it’s pretty arrogant to say that the only feminists who count as feminists are the ones who happen to agree with you.
After skimming through this thread, (I may have missed some things), the question I find myself left with is who died and made BV the queen of the feminists?
Her child, apparently.
The decline of America started with Roe vs. Wade. Breakdown of the family and its values, disrespect for life in general. Really, the decline in education and recent shootings all stem from Roe vs. Wade. There are simply no moral values in America and this was the start of it. Everything is ‘if it feels good, do it’ with no conscience of remorse at all.
I am so proud of this growing army of truth-tellers! No more sanitizing of abortion! No more denial of the babies’ humanity! No more money made by their destruction! No more abuse of women and destruction of families! No more enabling of weak and selfish men! No more of calling evil good and good evil! Show the world the truth about abortion and what it has done to our society!
“Pro-choice” apologists never choose themselves. That’s their admission they know abortion is murder. They want somebody else’s body to feel the pain of an abortion murder. Their true slogan is “somebody else’s body, my choice to be inflicted on that other body” because they don’t want their own arms or legs to be cut into and ripped off.