Pro-life vid of day: Victoria’s Secret’s sexualization of pre-teens
by LauraLoo
From Chris Fabry Live…
A Texas father’s letter to Victoria’s Secret, taking the company to task, has gone viral:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIMonVz2qRs[/youtube]
Many agree with him. Dr. Rosalie de Rosset, author of Unseduced and Unshaken, presents a theology of modesty (video, page 2). What are your thoughts?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG0IttZG8T4[/youtube]
Sexualizing images of children is a form of child molestation.
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My thoughts?
AMEN!!
So glad he spoke up and that he has support and an overwhelming positive response!!
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I was wearing a thong when I was fourteen. But I was a late bloomer.
I am so sorry your parents were not appropriately and responsibly involved in your life, Sex Tshirt Gal. Sincerely I am.
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“Sexualizing images of children is a form of child molestation.”
I don’t know about molestation, but I definitely think it should be considered a form of child pornography. I read an article once that was talking about how pedophiles will start out with legal images of children, like the Toddlers in Tiaras garbage or pictures of little boys in swim trunks. This stuff fed their fantasies until they searched out actually illegal images of children. Obviously we can’t ban every image of children that creeps can get hold of, but I don’t think it’s too much to ask that it be illegal to deliberately sexualize images of children. For all you know, if someone didn’t see stuff like that it could prevent someone from going down the road to become a child molester.
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And I seriously hate how girls absorb this stuff and start acting sexual because it’s been fed to them that the most important thing about women is being “sexy”. It scares me for my daughter. At the beach last summer I was with a male friend of mine and my kids and his kid, there were some teen girls that set up their blankets and such next to us, and they started acting overtly sexual towards us. Grown men! With kids and wedding rings! They couldn’t have been more than fifteen or sixteen at the most. I tried to ignore them, we both did, but eventually my friend asked them for their parents’ phone numbers so he could tell their mothers how they were behaving and they told him to eff off and they left. It was seriously disturbing and still makes sick to think about it, I can’t imagine anyone with a daughter or young girl that they care about doesn’t see the problem here. If my friend and I weren’t the kind of guys that we are those girls could have been in a lot of trouble. Seriously, this stuff is out of control and needs to stop.
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Amen, Jack! Seriously, it makes me worry for my sons too. Girls can be and often are the sexual aggressors.
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“Amen, Jack! Seriously, it makes me worry for my sons too. Girls can be and often are the sexual aggressors.”
Yeah, there’s that too. When I was a teenager there were plenty of girls who were sexually aggressive, because of all this oversexualization and other things. I also dislike how boys are fed the message that you aren’t a “real man” if you aren’t out sleeping with a bunch of women, how you must be gay if you ever turn down a one night stand or a fling. It’s not healthy at all.
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I think that some crazy women burned out early, and are now living out their own fantasies, by proxy, through the actions of their underage daughters.
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Who whispered into these girls’ears: “Sweetie, no matter how smart or compassionate or gifted you are, the most important thing you have to offer the world is your sexuality. So get going.” ?
And why do these girls believe them??
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This line of clothing is made to appeal to young girls by promoting sexual exhibitionism. Why does anybody approve of this?
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I agree with everyone. Yeah I hate those beauty pagents for kids. I can’t help but think of the Jonbenett Ramsey case. Why dress these kids uo like grown women and cake on the make up?
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I’m glad you’d totally be cool with underage girls asking you if they could flash you and trying to sit in your lap, Jake. You’re a great man. Classy and awesome.
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Only men who can’t relate to adult women check out children Jake. Have fun with your jailbait porn. :)
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The marketers and manufacturers of the bikini were two men (surprise). They could not talk any of the beautiful models of the day into modeling a bikini for them so they hired a stripper to wear one on the catwalk.
If you had your way, Jake, females would be cooking your meals in a thong. But only if they were underage.
You make me nauseous.
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Jake is like those guys (and women) in their late twenties who used to hang out at the parties when I was a teenager, waiting for little girls (or boys) to be drunk enough to sleep with them. Predators. They justify it the same way he does “you just want to control sexuality!!!”
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they picked up on the perv checking them out, and messed with you.
Now we know that Jake has the mentality of a 15 year-old girl. Either that or he has the mindset of a child perv.
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Men who call young teenagers “women” = Pervy dudes.
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I am a woman who does not sit in the kitchen and cook eggs. I manage a restaurant; in other words, I tell the men who cook eggs in the kitchen to (and HOW to) do their jobs better. I also enjoy my relationship, both in a physical and a mental way, with my husband very very much. And I do not dress in a burka, or anything remotely resembling one.
I do, however, strongly object to the message that I received and that young women are increasingly receiving that the one and only thing of value which they can contribute is sexuality. Smaller skirts, more racy clothing, and younger and younger girls. That is the message, and it is sick.
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Jack, make note: Jake called underage girls “women” and his (assumed) wife or girlfriend “my girl” Real classy.
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Actually, Jake, as someone who has BEEN a teenage girl, it’s the idiots who encourage them to wear tiny bikinis and short shorts who consistently enjoy ogling. And do so in the creepiest way possible. We see you, we know, and we find it incredibly uncomfortable.
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Lol, I can just see Jake defending himself when he gets caught with some kid. “Oh no, officer, she’s just expressing her sexuality! Why are you trying to make her feel uncomfortable?? Don’t you know that she’s a woman?”
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Okay I would love to continue this conversation, but I am SO creeped out by Jake. No, I will not invite you into the details of my bed and I resent your self-invitation.
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Well, you’re putting yourself in esteemed company such as my abusers, I don’t think I need to do anything. You make yourself look disgusting all on your own.
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Well someone who defends adult/child sex as vigorously as you seems to put you there.
Seriously, you’re gross. It really creeps me out you think pubescent kids are “women” and should be expressing sexuality towards adults.
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Pervs like you and prax can’t take your eyes off them.
Are you speaking from the point of view of an underage girl or that of a pedophile?
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MaryRose at 11:46pm. I noticed that too. Creepy.
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” Are you speaking from the point of view of an underage girl or that of a pedophile? ”
Oh, I think we are all aware. My skin’s crawling.
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” I never defended adult/child sex (nice try tho). And women of all ages should never have to apologize for wearing whatever they want on a beach. The problem is men like jack and prax that can’t contain themselves when confronted with children who aren’t covered up head to toe. ”
You defend adult/child sex with you think objectifying and sexualizing young girls is okay. It’s not. It’s not what people wear, it’s how kids are constantly sexualized and treated like consumable objects and are encouraged to screw around at earlier ages.
You’re a terrible feminist.
And plus you defend adults abusing children when you attack the victims because of it, which you do often. Face it, you’re just a bad person.
Prax is not a man.
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Lol, Jake the defender of women… making kitchen jokes.
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Prax,
At first, I assumed he was another pro-choicer with good intentions gone awry. Every comment has convinced me we’re talking pedophile or just general sicko, though, from “my girl” to the flip-flopping on where women belong in the conversation (note how easily my comments were dismissed for food?) but most disturbing, how he continues to rally the cry for underdressed/undressed children. S.I.C.K.
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” At first, I assumed he was another pro-choicer with good intentions gone awry. Every comment has convinced me we’re talking pedophile or just general sicko, though, from “my girl” to the flip-flopping on where women belong in the conversation (note how easily my comments were dismissed for food?) but most disturbing, how he continues to rally the cry for underdressed/undressed children. S.I.C.K.”
You’ve never seen him around? Wait until he gets started on the incest jokes and talking about scraping children out of uteruses. He’s a lovely troll.
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Jack,
I’ve been gone for a while, just reading the posts and not commenting. I had forgotten who the trolls are, with the exception of a few. I am reminded.
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You realize I don’t care what people wear, right? The vibe of this conversation went right over your head. Unsurprisingly. You’ve never been too incredibly bright.
But yeah, keep rallying for sexualizing pubescent kids. Call up NAMBLA or something, they might have a straight guy equivalent to hook you up with!
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Every comment has convinced me we’re talking pedophile or just general sicko, though, from “my girl” to the flip-flopping on where women belong in the conversation (note how easily my comments were dismissed for food?) but most disturbing, how he continues to rally the cry for underdressed/undressed children. S.I.C.K.
I pray that women and children stay far away from Jake. Actually, I think he may be dangerous to men as well.
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Sigh. Okay Jake. If all you got out of this is people think that bikinis should be illegal or something, you’re obviously missing the point. I’m glad you don’t have daughters (supposedly), but I fear for your boys.
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Notice how Jake dismisses you ladies with kitchen jokes but he replies to me? Yeah, pro-lifers are the misogynists who want to suppress women. Pfft.
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Women I date agree with me that children should remain children, not put into premature sexual situations by creepy dudes in their thirties like you.
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Jake,
I’m getting the distinct impression that you date adventurous “women” in the sense that they sense danger in dating you. Something about their parents finding out.
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So not only do fine specimens of pro-choice dudes enjoy making light of child sexual abuse, approve of sexualizing pre-teen and adolescent girls, and killing children in the womb, they also make harassing comments of an implicit sexual nature towards women who don’t agree with them. You’re a class act Jake. Might as well tell them to get on their knees while you’re at it, really round out your feminist qualifications lol.
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Jack, don’t forget the vulgar language. Nothing but style from this guy.
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I read a good article about misogyny and sexual harassment online a while back. The conclusion was that men who feel threatened by women in real life use the internet as an anonymous way to “get back” at the women they feel disempowered by cracking sexist “jokes” and focusing their hatred on women who have a different opinion than them. Sound familiar, Jake? I think you’re textbook.
I think it’s interesting you will be a dick to me, but still actually converse with me. The women, on the other hand, you keep blowing off with sexist jokes and putting them down for their gender. Interesting. Why don’t you treat women as equals, Jake? Do they scare you?
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Eh, bad language doesn’t bother me, but when he’s obviously using it to make you and other women feel uncomfortable it just shows more of his lovely personality.
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Well, you can claim pro-lifers are the true misogynists all you want, but you’ll notice I’m not the one out of the two of us who resorts to sexist insults when women disagree with me. :)
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Blah blah blah insert trite pro-abort motto blah blah blah insult to women blah blah veiled insult. Never heard *that* comment before. *eyeroll*
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“Remember when you were forced to do something you didn’t want to do? Sucked right? Sounds like a “textbook” example of something”
The fact that you still try to use the abuse committed against me as some kind of trump card just makes me yawn. Get new material.
A better example would be if you compared me being prevented from killing one of my kids because I wanted to go back to school and couldn’t afford it, to someone being prevented from aborting for those same reasons.
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“Haha yeah you will justresort to calling me a pedophile. It is simply stunning that you can’t keep up ”
Well, people wouldn’t imply you were a pedophile if you didn’t argue quite so hard for the sexualization of little girls. :/
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You just can’t help insulting women, can you? You know that they have sensitivity training and counseling for sad old men like you nowadays, right?
Men who call young girls “women” and crow about their sexual freedom are sexualizing them. The fact that you’ll call people out for being concerned about the objectification of young girls while you completely ignore the actual objectification (I mean, underwear targetted towards underage girls with sexual come-ons printed on them?) is creepy as hell. Stop acting like a dirty old man and I’ll stop implying you are one. :D
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For the last time, I don’t care if anyone wears bikinis. I’ve never even said anything about bikinis before you freaked out about them. It’s the sexualization that’s the issue. Making videos geared towards underage girls objectifying them and focusing on sex is ridiculous, and bad for girls. As someone who has a daughter, I don’t want her growing up thinking that she has to dress to attract men, or that sexuality is the most important thing about her. These ads constantly bombarding girls with those messages are not good, they aren’t healthy. The fact that you disagree with that is frightening. I wonder what you’re teaching your little boys about women.
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That’s like the third time you’ve tried to hook up with me, Jake. I’ve told you, I don’t really swing that way. Flattered, though. ;)
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Mods, please ban Jake.
Jack, you know better.
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Courtnay, I agree. This thread is embarrassing. LL
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Sorry, I’ll try to ignore him.
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Thanks Jack! LL :)
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yeah this thread seriously needed a moderator. Jack I think the situation you experienced at the beach is probably similar to what many men experience. I often imagine that it must be hard to walk by some of the lingerie shops in the mall where large pics of women in bras and thongs are placed in the store windows.
These girls at the beach demonstrate that they are highly sexualized and disrespectful. It used to be that anyone with a ring on was off limits. They probably wanted to see what kind of reaction you would provide them. Remember they are likely used to their younger, immature peers behaving this way towards them, so their experience of men is that all men want is sex, sex, sex. In fact, I’m willing to bet that your reaction damaged their self-esteem. Poor babies. :P
As for the issue that this post is actually about, I have three daughters NONE of whom wear a thong (watch the second video and the young woman says most girls are wearing thongs by age 12). What now astonishes us is that every single bra sold today for young women is an underwire pushup with plenty of padding. So a girl with a B cup looks like a C or D cup. This sends several messages which I do not like. First, it tells girls that the way your body is made is not good enough. You’re not endowed enough by the Creator, so since you’re not old enough yet to get a breast augmentation, lets do it this way for now. Secondly, this whole pushup thingy is a form of sexualization. My girls can’t imagine that bras were once sold without padding and underwire. Try finding one today that isn’t. Good luck.
My 20 year old daughter also connected with another aspect of this in a comment she made to me recently about how a young woman who is small breasted could wear a heavily padded bra and when she gets married her husband would be puzzled because the image he had in his mind of his wife’s figure would be false. So for her there wasn’t just the sexuality issue but also the idea of presenting your body in a false way to a man you are marrying. To her it was also an issue of integrity. I was happy to see that had thought more about this issue.
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Disgusting. I am fifteen and would never where clothes like that. What is our world coming to? Babies don’t need to where clothes like that. Even adults don’t really.
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In the future could someone let a mod know?
I deleted ALL of Jake’s stuff. Over the line.
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