by Kelli
Created Equal shares a great interaction from an open microphone hour at Florida Gulf Coast University, where a student asked, “If you’re so against abortion — which I am, too, in order to make them ‘safe, legal, and rare,’ why aren’t you… encouraging contraception?”
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Is it just me, or did he not even answer the question? I honestly don’t get how his answer had anything to do with the question.
What he did was take the student’s belief that abortion should be “rare” and asked him why.
The issue in front of them wasn’t contraception. The issue was the killing of an already conceived human being. Hence, the response, “Why should this be rare, why not just safe and legal?” It helps sometimes to get people to think about their flippant little mantras.
It sometimes helps to answer the main point of the question, which actually WAS contraception, which I totally think was a fair question. Maybe he didn’t phrase it well, but were this an essay question on the AP, this speaker would have gotten a one or two. he didn’t answer the question.
The main point of why this group is there is not to discuss the benefits or drawbacks of contraception. Questions such as that one merely deflect from the main issue which is, “Does abortion kill a human being, and if so, why do we allow it? Is it ever justified? If so why? If not, why?” They are seeking to abolish abortion, completely. And to do that, people need to come to grips with what abortion actually is and does.
In other words, if you were talking about the slave trade and had a photo there of a slave with his skin ripped to shreds, don’t you think that a question about whether or not you supported the regulation of slave ships would be a bit… well, off the point a bit?
Yeah if its not murder why should it be rare?
that still wasn’t what he asked. I thought it was a fair question. I don’t like abortion either. I don’t like it at all. I’ve always wondered then, why don’t we harp on the importance of protection in sex ed? (abstinence only has been proven over and over not to work) why don’t we make it easier to use contraception? guys don’t like to use condoms, and the birth control pill can have undesirable side effects. Surely there has to be an easier and better way of preventing unwanted pregnancies, and therefore abortions?
A7X wrote, “‘Abstinence only’ has been proven over and over not to work.”
It worked for me. I never engaged in premarital sex. Why doesn’t it work? I thought it was “protection” (from one’s lover, of all people, as if pregnancy was a disease) that has been proven over and over to be failure prone.
Jon it worked for me. I stayed friends with my husband for 8 months without sex until after we were married. I liked his humor better and better each day. Sat with him through 2 back surgeries . It brought us closer.
However the flesh is weak so I can look at it 2 ways. I see more and more young girls who feel its their duty to have sex. Heck my brother in law has a very wealthy woman and she’s told me on several occassions She and Jim are getting married. I’ve asked him when? He replied ” I’m not marrying her.”
It works for some people, but not everyone! That’s why they should learn about other ways to stay safe…
and people really do need “protection” from their lovers sometimes, because some people carry actual diseases…:p
part of the reason abstinence is a hard sell is people seem to conflate it with no — or at less — sexual pleasure. there’s only one sex act that leads to pregnancy. i began living with my boyfriend when i was 19 and dated other men but didn’t do that one until i had a tubal ligation
use some imagination people
sexual pleasure and fulfillment don’t have to be tied to a bottle filled with broken body parts.
Denise, really, must you keep going on about this point? You know your comment is just going to get deleted anyway.
A7x,
my ex got California middle school and high school. He got comprehensive ex ed, and it was harped on him how important protection is/was. He was basically an only child.
I was pulled out of California middle school sex-ed by my mom, and am the oldest of 6 kids in my family that I helped care for growing up. I was always the one in our relationship worried about contraception. He was VERY surprised when I became pregnant with our daughter. I wasn’t.
You do the math.
I really wish people would stop construing personal anecdotes as evidence.
http://www.gse.upenn.edu/node/477
A7x,
Let’s go with how contraception works:
Some hormonal contraception (such as the pill, IUDs, and things like that) change a woman’s natural cycle. And in some cases, even her emotional personality (I heard about a couple that when the woman got off the pill she was a lot happier). Plus there’s now the lawsuits with Yaz, Yasmin, Mirena, and other IUDs. If contraception is such a healthy alternative, then why are women dying, getting sick, and having difficulties while on them? (And remember there’s still that 1-2 percent a woman CAN get pregnant).
Some, like condoms, cause skin irritation and women can still get pregnant even if a man uses a condom (I think they’re only like 85 percent effective?)
Abstinence with the practice of chastity means no chance of pregnancy. If a couple is NOT having sex or any kind of sexual intimacy then pregnancy has no way of happening. If a couple is practicing chastity, they recognize the human dignity in each other and don’t use each other just for the sake of pleasure.
In marriage, there are moments where a woman is MOST likely to get pregnant and LEAST likely in her cycle. Through NFP, she can chart her signs and make an educated guess on when she’d likely conceive or not conceive a child and the couple can plan accordingly. No method is completely without a possibility of a “surprise pregnancy”, but at least with NFP nothing artificial (aside from a thermometer) in a woman’s body or on a man (well the man doesn’t use the thermometer, but when using condoms that is being put on a man’s body).
Why do pre-maritial relationships HAVE to have sexual intimacy? Why can’t they enjoy other forms of intimacy, get to know each other, then get married, THEN have sexual intercourse?
Because of the bonding hormones and how it affects women, people who have sex outside of marriage are less likely to have a completely “clear-headed” view of each other. Let’s face it, sex can make a person feel good and sometimes we let feelings dictate our lives rather than going by what’s right/factual/appropriate/healthy. We have to control our impulses sometimes otherwise, we’ll give into anything.
If we allowed ourselves to explore getting to know each other in other ways that aren’t sexual, who’s to say it won’t make things better? Maybe if everyone took more time to get to know each other and less time hopping into bed we’d have less divorce. Maybe less need for contraception and who knows, maybe the abortion rate would go down, too. Don’t know until it’s really given a real chance.
This article pretty much sums up my feelings about sex ed., both comprehensive and abstinence-only:
http://last-conformer.net/2012/12/02/more-on-the-uselessness-of-sex-ed/
(this is the main reason I feel schools should stick to teaching kids human reproduction and not application. I think the parents, or in lieu of parents a mentoring program or something similar, of a child in crisis would do much better for them than a teacher they’re not going to listen to, anyway)