Pro-life vid of the day: France funds all contraception and abortion
by LauraLoo
The Young Turks discuss France’s decision – under the new Socialist Party – to reimburse 100% of the cost of abortions (or an estimate of 12,000 procedures each year). Teen girls who want contraception can also get it for free and anonymously.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2YT99OmOuE[/youtube]
Note how the news anchors love bashing conservative Americans. The male anchor seems to feel that the French cannot possibly restrain themselves from sexual relations.
Sounds familiar.
What’s your response?
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“What’s your response?”
My first response, before even watching the video, is to point out that France still has stricter abortion laws than America. I wonder how the people in this video feel about a 12 week limit on elective abortions.
I am confused by their statements: they are ok if government pays for contraception and abortions but they are upset about how much it costs to support poor single mothers or as they erroneously called them “women who can’t afford babies have babies.” Are these people sure they are liberals or democrats! Nah, scratch that, are these people sure they have a heart! Do these people really expect the general public to perform their Machiavellian cost/benefit calculations with respect to unborn children. This is a war on poor people/families.
Some people try to shame pregnant girls, prochoice people seek to put fear into their hearts.
Basically, they are saying effectively: “If you can’t afford to have your baby, please kill it because your child will cost our government too much in health care to help you raise your child.”
Doesn’t anyone else find this totally repulsive? I can’t believe I heard what I just did.
This ideology that treats human beings as burdens will soon be discovering how much their prosperity depended on those “burdens.” It’s very sad, they demand I be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting their own agenda. It was never about personal autonomy or privacy.
They are not “young turks,” in any real sense of the term. They are establishment French revolutionaries in crisp suits with hair gel, still clinging to a death-ridden ideology after 250 years.
For what it’s worth, my reaction has always been (and will continue to be) to ignore the Young Turks entirely.
Our attention needs to remain focused on the overwhelming majority of Americans who are complacently aware of abortion and who generally ignore it. Most people are good people, and when they are shown the injustice of abortion, how many children it kills, and how much it hurts women and society — they are moved to fix the cancer in our culture.
We need to keep showing them the Gosnells, the Karpens, the Carharts, the vicious Texas mob, and the frauds of Planned Parenthood. We need to show them the March For Life, the CPC’s, and the love charity that we offer as an alternative.
Meanwhile, in France: France is fastest-dying European culture, if I recall correctly. They will be a majority Moslem country in a few decades. They should be encouraging the native French people to have children, like Russia does. Or they will die out.
The prochoice movement is anti-poor people.
For what it’s worth, my reaction has always been (and will continue to be) to ignore the Young Turks entirely.
^ This.
Del I couldn’t agree with you more. France is a dead country. What a sin to be promoting the killing off of their future.
And yes they are certainly right about contraception being the most important part but not for they reason they think. Contraception leads inevitably to abortion.
For the most part their parodies of American conservatives are disingenuous at best.
I really can’t even say what I think about the man in this video. He’s condescending, ridiculous and immature. He behaves like contraception never fails. I wonder how many unwanted babies he’s responsible for???
What’s the response?
Unless the stats have changed – I envy their lower abortion rate and lower teenage pregnancy rates.
“Unless the stats have changed – I envy their lower abortion rate and lower teenage pregnancy rates.”
Still, I bet their abortion rate would be even lower if they would simply stop paying for them.
Maybe.
Maybe our abortion rate would be lower if we had guaranteed health care and more access to contraception.
What do you attribute the higher US abortion rate to compared to France – I mean, we don’t let the government pay for it, yet our rates are what, double? (I’m having a hard time finding current rates in France).
There would be a number of factors such as sex education and social welfare which probably need to be considered as well.
How much influence does religion have in areas such as education and healthcare?
“What do you attribute the higher US abortion rate to compared to France – I mean, we don’t let the government pay for it, yet our rates are what, double?”
I found some data from the UN (http://data.un.org/Data.aspx?d=GenderStat&f=inID%3A12); it is from 2007, but abortion rates tend not to change widely from year to year.
The abortion rate per 1,000 women is 16.9 in France, compared to 20.8 in the US. I also found that the average American woman has 0.59 abortions in her lifetime; the average French woman has 0.52 (http://www.guttmacher.org/tables/380312/3814312t3.pdf). Not at all a big difference! In fact, the difference between Denmark and Sweden’s rates is higher than the difference between France and the US.
I made a list of rich, Westernized countries from the UN data. Other countries with similar rates to the US include the UK (17.0), New Zealand (19.7), Australia (19.7), and Sweden (20.2). I have seen years when some of these countries have rates higher than the US. With the exception of New Zealand, these countries have more liberal abortion laws than most Western countries. I also noticed that the four countries on my list with the lowest rates have strict laws (restricted to the first trimester, with waiting periods and counseling).
In addition, the US has a lower teenage abortion rate than Scotland, Sweden, New Zealand, and England (http://www.guttmacher.org/tables/380312/3814312f3.pdf).
I see no correlation between Western abortion rates and sexual education, contraception availability, gov’t funding of abortion, or social welfare programs. The only potential relevant variable I see is the strictness of the laws. Of course, it is impossible to prove for sure, as nearly all wealthy Western countries ban abortion-on-demand after 12 weeks. However, I would find it very hard to believe that England and Sweden’s high rates are not largely attributable to their much more permissive laws compared to the rest of Europe. Other than that, I just don’t know. I am interested in other opinions.
So, yes, the US abortion rate is higher than the Western average, but it is certainly not outside the normal range. Just some thoughts.
Our abortion rate vs some European countries: we have a unique combination of factors. The Marxists have been active in all of these places for over 100 years. Part of the Marxist effort to bring about the eventual revolution is to weaken and destroy the nukelar family. Abortion is a great part of separating sex from child-rearing. Historically, the “Feminism” we hear about comes straight out of Marxist thought.
Here in the U.S., we have the history of slavery, then of unfair society toward Blacks. This has allowed the Marxists to come in to the Black community and convince a fair share of ppl in the Black community that this society’s dominant culture is inherently unfair, and needs to be changed.
We educated white intellectual Marxists and leftists and progressives and socialists all went to the Black community and convinced the Black community that the deck is always stacked against the Black community, inherently. The Black community used to uniformly have very high family values, but this culture campaign promoted some things as positive, such as free love, and some things as negative, such as being too white. So, there is a mix in the Black culture – lots of family values, but also lots of acceptance of marijuana and other drugs, partly sold with the idea that prosecuting drug use and possession is simply a mechanism of oppression.
We educated elitists targeted the Black community with the if-it-feels-good-do-it philosophy, with the white nuclear family as a symbol of oppression.
Abortion just helps further the idea that the nuclear-family-values are part of the oppressive matrix, and do-your-own-thing is an alternative.
Black females have more children, have more children out of wedlock, and have greater abortion experiences.
This is true across the lower SES levels – it is not just a fact of ‘working poor’ or ‘poverty.’
Those excuses are developed to paint the dominant culture as oppressive. Nearly all of us have had personal contact with the low-income, working class culture that existed after the depression and up to the Civil Rights movement. We know first hand or from family history and relatives that the poor used to work, and have a work ethic, and have decent, safe, friendly neighborhoods. Sure, not like the suburbs, but not riddled with drugs and petty crime like nowadays.
So, along with the Marxist commitment to abortion as a tool to weaken the nuclear family, here in the U.S. we have our strong history of slavery and bad history post-slavery to have given the toe-hold for Marxist influence. All of this slavery impact was certainly bad, and has needed to be addressed. The Marxists just used that to advance their cause.
They really only care abt their cause.
If you go look RIGHT NOW at the pictures of the Trayvon Martin protests, you will see on many of the signs: Workers World Party, or Revcom.us.
Those are international Marxist/socialist/communist organizations. They are saying the Zimmerman trial was patently unfair, and they want justice.
We all know: the state of Florida had all of the opportunity it wanted to gather evidence. Each side accepted the jury. The recognized democrat-leaning judge had all authority over proceedings. A big deal was made out of instructions to the jury, which were read by the judge, and given to the jury. The jury were allowed to ask for clarification.
If anything, the defense did not get a fair shake. The state had cell phone information it withheld – this is now the topic of a whistleblower case.
So, the trial was about as much fairness and justice as you can expect.
One point of injustice possibly was, at first, Florida’s decision NOT to prosecute. But no protestors are pointing out that as a problem in the justice system.
Despite a very fair trial, the Marxists are in the street with vague complaints. Why? They want the Black community, and white-guilt community, to increasingly believe the entire system is simply wrong.
Pay attention over the next few weeks. Listen to NPR, Democracy Now, and Black radio. This is the theme you will hear: the entire system is wrong, or unjust.
They cannot and will not put their finger on a specific thing Zimmerman did wrong, except the vague problem of carrying a gun legally, and using it under what seems like legally acceptable parameters – this is why Stand Your Ground is emerging as the issue – there is nothing else to criticize, specifically, and Holder cannot have free reign to manufacture complaints like his compatriot Marxists in the streets.
The marching Marxists cannot put their finger on what the justice system did wrong, besides come up with a decision, following due process, that the Marxists seemingly don’t like.
The Marxists are happy to be sowing more dissent springing from the tragedy of the slavery history.
This is a main thing that is different in the U.S. versus Europe.
another significant difference is that people in the European countries mostly have strong contact with multi-generational family – we don’t quite have that here – everyone is from somewhere else, and we have all left our roots.
the Marxists have pretty much broken the hold of the Catholic church, so the religious mores against sex before marriage and abortion are gone, but the family is still fairly well intact there. That is a second factor.
Here is a yahoo/Reuters news story abt Trayvon Martin protests. You can clearly see: only a handful of people. Pre-fab signs that say “pslweb.org.” That is “Party for Socialism and Liberation.” You can google it as easily as I can.
http://news.yahoo.com/california-officials-brace-more-unrest-trayvon-martin-verdict-004123415.html
Read the story: first, the story makes no mention of the obvious ‘plsweb.org’ on each sign. The media ignore the Marxism connection. Second: their goal is to end racism. Racism is the stick they can continue to use to beat the status quo up with, as long as they can convince useful idiots that high-profile events demonstrate this institutional racism. but notice in the story, no one can point to one aspect of the legal process that did not or does not function the correct way. They cannot.
Check out these protest stories to see if there is evidence for what I am saying: the Marxists have had a great spring board in the U.S they have not had with European countries, by using the tragedy of our slavery history and heritage.
Now, in Europe, they have recently manufactured a similar history: getting an influx of immigrants from the middle east and northern Africa, sustaining that immigrant group on welfare, then going to those groups and painting their lousy life on welfare as a product of the terrible capitalist system. These immigrants have strong family values, but the ideas are catching on with the younger generation. So, you have the riots by low-income immigrant youth in France. And elsewhere in Europe.
Don’t worry – their abortion rates will catch up with ours – they are hard at work on this.
One reason abortions — and unplanned pregnancies per se — are much less common in Europe than in America is the differing attitudes toward risk. Americans tend to be more risk-taking while Europeans are somewhat more risk-aversive.
Their abortion rates WILL NOT catch up to ours as long as the attitudes toward risk differ.