Pro-life blog buzz 9-24-13
by Susie Allen, host of the blog, Pro-Life in TN, and Kelli
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- Big Blue Wave finds it rich that NARAL is now putting out the appeal for men to be more active in promoting abortion – not only at the legislative level, but grassroots as well. I guess “my body, my choice,” was only valid when the pro-choice side wasn’t in a panic.
- Kansans for Life says the recent uptick in passage of state pain-capable laws is causing real angst among media elite. The New York Times publishes a piece attempting to show that these legislative victories are just “wishful thinking on the part of zealots.” Citing abortion providers and ardent supporters, the authors still had to pick and choose the experts’ works carefully to omit any published evidence that contradicted the intent of the article. If that weren’t bad enough, they chose to claim late-term abortions are so rare (2%) that they’re not a big deal – but that 2% translates to 20,000 children per year.
- The Leading Edge noticed a Facebook post from pro-abortion New Zealand association ALRANZ, which defended gender-selective abortions. The interesting thing about the post, though, was that a picture of a preborn child was posted with their link – for which they felt the need to apologize (click to enlarge screenshot at left).
- The Guiding Star Project posts a thought-provoking piece about how we discuss pregnancy. In the pre-ultra sound era, it was often stated that “we don’t care what we’re having as long as it’s healthy.” But the author, a mother of a child with significant health issues, says the better response would be, “we are just happy to have this child.” We wouldn’t consider abandoning our born children due to medical issues, so why should we do so with our preborn children?
- 40 Days for Life says another clinic prayer vigil site – this time in Montana – is closing its doors:
Local Montana 40 Days for Life leaders pointed out that this 41st clinic will close in the 41st year following the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision that imposed abortion on America… in the 41st state to be admitted to the Union.
- At Live Action, Sarah Terzo discusses the misperception that somehow pro-life counseling is inherently biased, while abortion clinic “counseling” is non-biased. Author of the book Lovejoy: A Year in the Life of an Abortion Clinic by Peter Korn spent a year “observing abortions and interviewing patients at an abortion clinic” and tends to paint abortion workers in a “sympathetic” light. Yet in his detail of the counseling sessions, he reveals misinformation and pressure used by the counselors (salespeople):
Tiffany is reluctant to abort her baby. She tells Anneke [the counselor] she thinks she wants to have her child. Korn describes what the counselor says next:“I’m not here to change your mind. I’m not here to force your opinion. But I’m sitting here seeing this beautiful young woman with her whole life ahead of her, and you have so many other things you can do right now. Why don’t you go ahead with your dreams and have kids later?” Tiffany had no answer so Anneke continued, “We’re always here for you.”… Before ending the session Anneke left Tiffany with some figures that she recently had learned from Carye: One in ten high school girls who become pregnant finish high school, and one in ten thousand girls who have babies during high school finish college. And a third statistic: Over 80 percent of the men in this country don’t pay their child support. “The statistics are stacked against you,” Anneke said….
Reluctantly, Tiffany agrees to abort her baby. By this time, the baby’s father has arrived at the clinic to talk her out of the abortion. The clinic workers call the police and have him thrown out before he can see her.
Tiffany goes through with the procedure alone. The clinic makes another $400. Another baby is dead.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Poll after poll shows that men are more pro-abortion than women, so why shouldn’t NARAL go after them?
The story about Tiffany was so sad, because it appears that her baby’s father wanted the baby and would have stood by her. I hope this couple had some counseling afterwards.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with saying “we don’t care as long as the baby is healthy.” You are saying you won’t have any concern regarding gender, but wouldn’t you care if your baby isn’t healthy? Doesn’t mean you are going to abandon your child. I had a boy and then had another boy. I wasn’t upset that I wasn’t getting a girl (both times) But if I had been told they had health issues, yes, I would’ve been upset just as I would be upset if I found out tomorrow my boys had health issues. Doesn’t mean I don’t love my kids or will abandon them.
I understand that many in this culture kill their less-than-perfect unborn children but hoping your child has good health isn’t a bad thing. Killing them when they don’t is.
Sydney, after losing two babies in a row, all I cared about this time was that the baby would live long enough for me to see her take a breath. (And I’m still in a position of hoping for that since I’m only just 32 weeks this week.) For a lot of people, “as long as the baby is healthy” is shorthand for “as long as the baby is alive”. Naturally, for an unfortunate number of people, “as long as the baby is healthy” means that they’ll kill the baby if if he/she is not. I agree with your point, however.
Praying for a safe delivery for you! God’s blessings on you and your little one Matushka Anna.
I find it rich that Big Blue Wave has said what it has. Isn’t the anti-choice movement replete with men? Aren’t the overwhelming majority of politicians foisting dishonest legislation dismantling womens rights men. “My body, my choice” is exactly what men should be supporting women for.
The year Peter Korn spent in a clinic was 1995. In a clinic which was fire-bombed and received death threats.
Some comments about his book:
“I worked at Lovejoy while this book was being written. While I feel it shows a relatively fair view of both sides of “the abortion debate,” I also know that the book is filled with individual assumptions and major inaccuracies. The author also shows a great ignorance and prejudice regarding some women’s issues.”
“Doctors performing surgery wearing bullet-proof vests. Nurses taking in homeless and hungry families who have no place to go. An accountant wielding a baseball bat as an angry mob threatens the clinic.”
Thank you, Sydney! She’ll be here no later than the end of October because of a complete placenta previa. Just trying to keep her in a few more weeks though! :)
I find it rich that Big Blue Wave has said what it has. Isn’t the anti-choice movement replete with men? Aren’t the overwhelming majority of politicians foisting dishonest legislation dismantling womens rights men. “My body, my choice” is exactly what men should be supporting women for.
As a pro-life WOMAN with a DAUGHTER here who was on the chopping block because her”pro-choice” father wanted me to kill her in an abortion, I find it “rich” that YOU are here saying the things you do, “Reality”.
Yes, most pro-life lawmakers are men. We’re just lucky, I guess. But it’s an inescabable fact that in the general population it’s still the other way around. More women are pro-life. Maybe they know something.
“NARAL is now putting out the appeal for men to be more active in promoting abortion”
Because #brochoice just worked out so well for them, I guess.
No Reality, us pro-lifers never said men can’t have an opinion on the topic of abortion. It is only the pro-aborts who say that. Except then they enlist the help of pro-abortion men so it kinda makes us scratch our heads and point out their hypocrisy.
NARAL are encouraging men to show support for womens reproductive rights and freedom of choice xalisae, not to try to force women one way or another. It’s overly rich to attempt to portray things otherwise.
They are not talking about men who try to force women into abortions; those who do so because they are demented thugs not because they are pro-choice.
Yes, most pro-life lawmakers are men. We’re just lucky, I guess. – ah, the irony.
Yeah, maybe more babies will get their chance to laugh all the way to the crib.
It would be great if the female politicians more closely matched their female constituents.
Funny how women need to be so much smarter and harder working than men if they wish to become politicians :-)
I would contest instead that the reason there are fewer female politicians than males is a sign of the greater intelligence and common sense amongst the female sex.
[Note: I wish I didn’t have to say this, but: “The above statement is not meant to be taken seriously. It is an example of light sarcastic humor and is intended to be taken as such.”]
Reality, most pro-abortion representatives are men too. Actually women are the leadership on both sides of the abortion divide. The notion that all those prolife women hate themselves though is pure BS, and you know it.
Reality, your side says that a man who puts on a dress because he THINKS he is a woman is a woman. But because I think it is wrong to pull the arms and legs off unborn babies I’m just a man with breasts.
Go figure!
I think abortion polling can be deceiving. A lot has to do with how the questions are asked and other factors. For instance a few years ago Gallup found that non-whites are more pro-life, but a poll by Rasmussen done around the same time found that non-whites were significantly more pro-choice than non-Hispanic whites. In 1992 I was watching an interview with one of the last prolife democrats, Governor Bob Casey, and he pointed out that the biggest supporters of abortion rights are men in their 20’s and 30’s because they benefit the most from it. I was really surprised to hear that, but the more I thought about it the more it made sense. Over the years I have seen various polls on the subject and overall there is not much difference in how men and women identify. However, reading further analysis it has often been mentioned that older people in general tend to be more pro-life, especially older men, and this skews things a bit. Also, I have read that men do not like the pro-choice label because it is associated with the democrat party and men tend to be republican, but men are just as likely to vote for a pro-choice candidate as women if they agree with the candidate on other issues. In other words the abortion issue has little to do with how men vote and I think it was Rasmussen who noted that abortion is mostly irrelevant for men regardless of how they feel and that it is women who are either passionately pro-life or passionately pro-choice. Just the other day I read something (don’t remember where I saw it) that men age 18-30 are the most pro-choice of any group. I would like to see a really extensive study focusing only on people of child bearing age on what they feel about abortion rights and why. But based on what I have seen so far it seems that young men like abortion being legal when they are young because it can get them out of their responsibilities, but they may change their views as they get older. Also, men of any age do not factor abortion into their voting unlike women who care much more about the issue regardless of age. Just my two cents.
“Funny how women need to be so much smarter and harder working than men if they wish to become politicians.”
Well “reality” – that is because the “role models” of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Jan Schakowsky are an obstacle in treating women politicians seriously enough. In other words, these three have set the bar so low that any voter who considers casting a vote for a woman candidate, has a vision of failure readily available in memory.
The notion that all those prolife women hate themselves though is pure BS, and you know it. – have I ever made such a claim?
Reality, your side says that a man who puts on a dress because he THINKS he is a woman is a woman. -‘my side’? You think peoples attitude towards transgender folk is decided exclusively on the basis of whether they are pro- or anti-choice in regards to abortion? Seriously?
But because I think it is wrong to pull the arms and legs off unborn babies I’m just a man with breasts. – how did you come to that conclusion? Seems a bit odd to me.
Go figure! – ooookaaay…..
Are you trying to win the ‘who’s the best comedian’ trophy Thomas R.? Clinton, Pelosi et al are considered eminent role models. Palin, Bachmann and co. are considered absolute jokes. More women will become politicians because of Clinton and Pelosi than Palin and Bachmann. The only obstacle to women politicians being taken seriously is the thinking of the callus-knuckled elements of the gop and their like-minded supporters.
I know I shouldn’t respond to this comment and that it was written around 7pm but I just couldn’t let this idiotic analysis pass ”Clinton, Pelosi et. al. are considered eminent role models.” WOW! I can only say ROFLOL!! ( I hope I got the initials right.) That is probably the most ridiculous statement I have read on this blog in a while. On that note I know it is time to go to bed.
Oh yes, I left a bit off. Clinton, Pelosi et al are considered eminent role models by any educated person of reason. Thanks Prolifer L.
Roll On Floor Laughing Out Loud? It’s a bit mundane but it’s ok.
That is probably the most ridiculous statement I have read on this blog in a while. – so you skip the posts by those some of those whose monikers start with “t”?
On that note I know it is time to go to bed. – apparently. Have a good sleep.
… DOES NONE CARE? We spout on and on re. female politicians and the last quote from Peter Korn ‘… ‘and the baby (emphasis mine) is dead’. Such strange words … a dead baby … hell. I thought it was only a product-of-conception. A dead baby … should be the killed baby, no? … wonder who did this killing [’cause he/got no adult protection … anti-human?]
“Roll On Floor Laughing Out Loud? It’s a bit mundane but it’s ok.”
Its much better than your favorite line of ROFLMBO “reality.” The image of your butt “on the floor” is just disgusting.
Clinton, Pelosi and Schakowsky are the most disingenuous and dishonest women in America. They speak out of two ends of their mouth and take positions not due to personal convictions but for politically expedient reasons. Any educated person has by now caught on to their charades. Take off your blinders “reality” and pay attention to the way these women operate.
Reality said: “…Pelosi et al are considered eminent role models by any educated person of reason.”
Do you recall this quote from your eminent role model? “Trust me…. pass the health bill, then read it…”
wake up…. I don’t know what your level of education is, but most educated persons of reason would NEVER sign a binding contract before reading it carefully, and an HONEST person would never ask someone to do so.
Reality,
Clinton, Pelosi et al are considered eminent role models by any educated person of reason
Why sure. One who is unconcerned about what difference it makes how her employess were killed, and the other who thinks it’s just fine to pass massive legislation without knowing what it’s really about.
I would say the Creationists you so disdain have better reason than that.
Its much better than your favorite line of ROFLMBO “reality.” The image of your butt “on the floor” is just disgusting. – When have you seen an image of my butt on the floor? Or do you simply have a strangely fertile imagination? Need I be concerned about that?
The B is for ‘bottom’ or ‘backside’ thank you very much. I use it in preference to the usual A for …
They speak out of two ends of their mouth – as compared to where Palin and Bachmann speak from.
One who is unconcerned about what difference it makes how her employess were killed, and the other who thinks it’s just fine to pass massive legislation without knowing what it’s really about. – ah, a double dose of misrepresentation and out of context!
I would say the Creationists you so disdain have better reason than that. – now you’re just plain being silly :-)
My point “reality” was for you not to comment on someone using ROFLOR when you often use ROLFMBO, which in terms of meaning is beneath ROFLOR. And no, the B stands for butt, look it up Enstein. It seems that you are the one attempting to be a comedian here. BTW, its not working…
Why do you have such difficulty with this stuff Thomas R.?
Prolifer L said I can only say ROFLOL!! ( I hope I got the initials right.) (not ROFLOR as you have stated), to which I responded Roll On Floor Laughing Out Loud? It’s a bit mundane but it’s ok.
And then you chimed in with your bit of fantasy about my physical attributes.
To which I then explained, ROFLMAO usually has the A in it for… well we know what it stands for. But that I substitute it with a B for bottom or backside so as to not use profanity. You cannot tell me what I use the letter B for. So butt out.
Is there seriously an argument over what an acronym means? This blog is crazy sometimes.
“This blog is crazy sometimes.”
To repeat what I was told on another thread, welcome to the internet.
I hate acronyms, lol.