Girl Scouts: First Planned Parenthood, now lesbian “experience officer”
by Carder
What could go wrong?
If their cozying up to Planned Parenthood wasn’t enough to convince you skeptics not to have anything to do with this group, will this be enough?
~ Father Z, commenting on the Girl Scouts of America’s recent hiring of Krista Kokjohn-Poehler (pictured in the center of the bridal party with her bride, fifth from left) for the position of “Girl Experience Officer”, What Does the Prayer Really Say?, February 28
[Photo via San Diego Magazine]
Mar.03, 2014 6:00 am |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Luckily we have 4H in our are. My kids love it.
4H is an organization started by home-schoolers. Planned Parenthood needs to be banishated from society. They are less than worthless. They are a blight.
The 4H health curriculums are based on food nutrition and physical fitness. Imagine that.
4-H was actually founded by university researchers hoping to bring new agricultural developments to young people in rural areas where older residents were hesitant to embrace new things, truthseeker. Not homeschoolers. Though many homeschoolsers are involved in the program now.
I think the article says they hired Krista, whose pictured with Ashley.
I don’t know anything about the young woman that GS hired. She may be a pleasant and capable…. and privately confused about moral and sexual reality, like so much of our culture today.
Or she may be an evil feminazi pro-abortion zealot.
I don’t want have an opinion until I know something about the woman.
Are lesbians not allowed to have jobs now? Did we time warp to the fifties when I wasn’t aware or something?
Thanks, 9ek, you’re right. I’ll change it.
And I agree with Jack for the sheer fact that someone living as openly gay should not be disqualified from a secular job for that reason.
But if you’re a Christian (and I assume that’s who Father Z is addressing here) who doesn’t want your child involved with a secular organization that affiliates with Planned Parenthood and hires gay people and homopunk band members, then maybe you should consider a different organization that is church/Christian-affiliated.
Hi Jack,
Lesbians had jobs in the 50’s! Its just no one “knew”. Yeah right.
I heard an interesting account. During WW2, General Eisenhower rec’d an order to weed out all the lesbians serving under his command. He passed the order on to his female aide. Very respectfully she named for the General all the lesbians, including herself, who turned out to be his most hardworking, dedicated, and efficient staff members. The general then realized he would lose his very best people and quietly disregarded the order. He had more pressing concerns, like fighting a war.
Yeah Mary people should concentrate on things that actually affect them, not people’s personal business.
I’m more concerned with Father Z’s “What could go wrong” statement. I don’t get what he’s implying there but I bet it’s something unwarranted.
“But if you’re a Christian (and I assume that’s who Father Z is addressing here) who doesn’t want your child involved with a secular organization that affiliates with Planned Parenthood and hires gay people and homopunk band members, then maybe you should consider a different organization that is church/Christian-affiliated. ”
I get the Planned Parenthood thing, I don’t get and never will why people would be upset about a gay leader though. I don’t particularly find it difficult, if my kids are exposed to something I disagree with through school or their mom’s or whatever, to explain my views on it and that we don’t have to agree with that person but we should still be nice. I don’t get the point of hiding it.
What exactly is the objection to this lady doing this job and on what basis can any objection possibly be justified?
privately confused about moral and sexual reality – not in the least. That would be those who whine about her existence being visible rather than hiding under a bucket somewhere.
Or she may be an evil feminazi pro-abortion zealot. – yet she has such nice things to say about you!
Whether you are gay or straight why is there a need to broadcast your sexuality? Nice wedding pic though.
How is she broadcasting her sexuality? By being married? By saying “oh my wife and I this weekend…”? You’ll have to explain “broadcasting sexuality” because it almost seems like what is broadcasting when LGBT people do it is just normal living when heterosexuals do it.
The ‘get back in the closet’ mentality is alive and well Jack.
I decided whenever people tell me about their kids or spouses I’m going to start covering my ears and be like “oh ew I don’t want to hear about it!” (that’s pretty much my reaction when men disgustingly, graphically and overtly discuss how they find women attractive, I think it’s rude to talk about women so sexually. I’ll just need to tweak it a bit to all hints of heterosexual activity lol).
Ew, no I don’t want to see your wedding photos. All that rampant heterosexuality being paraded all over the place. Keep it to yourself. Don’t expose those who may find such things deviant.
Argh! A red-headed kiddie! Don’t you dare show me images of such aberrations.
Stop writing with your left and start using your right hand. Now!
Lol.
I do think there’s a point where you’re “broadcasting” when you’re pro-gay rights and you’re saying “I’m bisexual and I don’t deserve to be treated/viewed like this”. I guess that’s broadcasting, but it’s for a purpose. It’s exceedingly easy to dehumanize non-heterosexuals because not being straight is comparatively rare and some people haven’t ever really interacted with or realized how anti-gay stuff affects real people. I guess I understand complaints about broadcasting in that sense, it’s difficult to sit in silence and listen to people degrade people like you so people might see you bringing up your sexuality as “broadcasting”. I do get that, but it’s not going to go away until people are treated relatively equally.
Am I broadcasting when, as a rampant heterosexual, I shout “bisexuals don’t deserve to be treated/viewed like this”?
Am I a ‘sinner’, a ‘deviant’ for advocating for justice, equality and non-discrimination for LGBTI folk?
Thanks len for pointing that out about 4H. They are definitely agriculturally based and come to think of ot there are more non-homeschoolers in our group then there are homeschoolers. I still highly recommend it to anybody looking for an activity based organization for their sons and daughters. I think it doesn’t contain all the political BS cause they are funded internally and don’t need any government or other outside dollars. THey do seem to have a lot of their meetings at local churches of various denominations though.
“Am I a ‘sinner’, a ‘deviant’ for advocating for justice, equality and non-discrimination for LGBTI folk?”
Not in my book. I save that for your pro-choice advocation. :)
oooo, you nasty piece of work LDPL! LOL
It would be interesting to observe the dynamics if some people decided to start a new club as an alternative to an existing club because they didn’t like that a certain race or races were permitted membership or even worse, put in leadership roles.
Well in Florida there are still a few country clubs that (quietly) won’t accept blacks or Latinos (except for very white Cubans in some cases lol). But it’s certainly not got the acceptance the attitudes against LGBT people holding offices/joining clubs/etc.
We don’t have daughters but I am certainly going to advise our friends who have of these recent developments in the land of girl scouts. The group is certainly on the way to bring up a new wave of “girl power.”
She should be able to work, without restriction, live her life without discrimination and the Girl Scouts are free to affiliate with any enterprise they wish and deliver any message they wish. I do not have anger or hatred in my heart for anyone, however I am more comfortable with a church based group for my daughters which reinforces the messages taught in our home.
I respect the right of those with differing opinions to raise their children and share the values they find important and ask the same consideration be given to my family.
My two cents.
Truthseeker, please do your research before you post. 4-h has much more government involvement and funding than boy or Girl Scouts. They have partnerships with the USDA, with NIFA, and state and local agencies as well, mostly on the county level. There are a lot of politics involved, and you might want to educate yourself. You can read more about the government involvement and funding of 4h on their website.
I am certainly going to advise our friends who have of these recent developments in the land of girl scouts – what developments? What’s changed?
I am not sure what funding you were talking about ken. My experience has been from a membership standpoint and it could be that the government does help fund some of the agricultural or administrative pieces I am not as involved in. Is that why we get free passes into the county fair? In any case, the politics doesn’t seem to make it’s way into any of the meetings and the curriculum seems quite sterile (and without the curriculum surprises by the likes of Planned Parenthood) Thanks again though for the knowledge sharing. I hope our conversation gets a few others to look into it.
The only part of the partnership I saw with the USDA was the milk truck pulling in and out of the farm where free hay-rides and smores were being hosted last fall.
Sleeveless wedding gowns are so yesterday but I love, love the bouquets!
4h is a USDA program. their headquarters are within the USDA. But just like the Girl Scouts, your child’s experience is what your particular group makes of it. However, 4h is a government organization. Way beyond fair tickets and milk.
I’ve heard that some members and even leaders of the girl scouts are democrat supporters. There’s even a rumour that vegetarians are involved. I suspect some might be atheist myself.
Quelle horreur!!
“Experience Officer” is one of those newfangled job titles. Parents can choose where to send their kids for activities, and the new hire’s sexual preference is less important than whether or not girls are getting merit awards for pro-abortion activities. Is there a connection to PP? If so, how much?
“Parents can choose where to send their kids for activities, and the new hire’s sexual preference is less important than whether or not girls are getting merit awards for pro-abortion activities”
See, I agree. That’s why “Father Z” is annoying to me. He has no clue what this woman’s political leanings are, what her morals are, what she believes should be taught to little girls. As a responsible parent, if I were to put my daughter in a group for ANY organizations, I would find out the curriculum/activities/political leanings/charitable donating/etc that they were going to involve my kid in. I wouldn’t be like “oh, well the leader is a lesbian/conservative Christian/atheist/whatever random characteristic, so that’s fine”. That’s irresponsible parenting. And stereotyping. For all you know this woman could be super pro-life and anti-hormonal contraception and basically a conservative Catholic in all but the gay issue (I doubt it, but there are some conservative gays).
Really, as pro-lifers our focus should be on whether or not this woman is going to be pushing pro-abortion viewpoints, and how much she’s going to be involved in the kids, instead of posting her personal wedding pictures and getting the vapors and freaking out over the fact she has a wife instead of a husband. That’s just my personal opinion.
P.S. I am sick of people saying that LGBT people make it all about their sexuality, when it’s apparent to me that people think that being LGBT is the ONLY thing you need to know about someone. I’m sure you all commit sins on the daily, but you have the privilege not be automatically defined by yours.
I sometimes wonder LDPL, if people like ‘Father Z’ aren’t feeling a little ‘uncomfortable’ about something they can sense about their progeny.
The lady is a lesbian “experience officer”
not a “lesbian experience” officer.
I don’t know Reality. I just think people, for all their complaining about people “broadcasting” sexuality and such, have real trouble seeing LGBT people as individuals with their own opinions on politics, religion, etc.
My oldest sister is a lesbian, but she’s also super pro-life, VERY anti-eugenics/euthanasia (her daughter, my niece, is adopted and has some severe disabilities, so my sister is extremely offended by those who act as those who have disabilities are somehow always suffering or less deserving than life). She and her girlfriend are also Christians and regularly attend church as far as I know, we’re not all that close but last I talked to her she was pretty conservative and Christian on most of her opinions besides the homosexuality issue obviously. And then there’s me, I’m not straight but I’m as far from pro-choice as you can get, and I have a weird mix of liberal and conservative viewpoints (pro-gun but pro-universal healthcare! the horror!)
The fact that someone is LGBT means basically nothing when trying to figure out what they think and feel about issues like abortion, euthanasia, etc. I do know LGBT tend politically left and vote Democrat more often than not but I believe a lot of that has to do with how the GOP and the right has vilified, degraded, and been so unwelcoming. On a personal level I’ve found much more moderate LGBT people than I ever have extreme leftists.
David, I missed your comment but I want to tell you that it’s very fair and appreciated. Yes, LGBT people have the right to live their lives with no discrimination or cruelty, just as Christians do. I also don’t think that if people feel that strongly against their children getting to know someone who is openly LGBT, that a Christian should ever be forced to put their child in an extra-curricular activity like this (same goes for non-Christians who don’t think their children should be involved in an activity led by a Christian, for example).
But what I don’t get is why people think that they know exactly what values (besides the value that homosexuality is normal, and you actually have no idea if she’ll even bring it up to the kids at all!) she holds. I try not to assume that all Christians think the same, because Christians are a diverse group of people and you all have different opinions on various issues. I don’t always do a good job, but I do try. But it seems to me like a lot of Christians assume they know what LGBT people are like before they even talk to them. LGBT people don’t think the same, everyone is an individual. That’s what I don’t get at all. If my kid’s teacher at school was a conservative Catholic, I wouldn’t automatically assume that she is going to teach my kid morals I don’t agree with, I would get to know her and find out how she’s going to treat my kids and make sure that she’s not contradicting any messages and morals I think my kids need to have. I don’t know why LGBT people never seem to get the same benefit of the doubt.
And like I said before, I’ve never thought that my kids will never meet anyone who has a lifestyle I don’t agree with. One of my next door neighbors in my apartment complex is a Muslim family. I don’t agree with Islam (I actually have a huge problem with a lot of conservative Islamic beliefs, obviously), but I don’t think that the family is automatically bad for my children to be around. I let my kids play with their kids (as long as I am there to supervise) and I am getting to know the parents. My kids, particularly my son, have asked me about the hijab the wife wears and why the family doesn’t go to a Christian church or no church, and I just tell them honestly that they follow a religion that I think is wrong but that doesn’t mean that we can be mean to them or treat them any differently than we would treat a Christian family or a family with no religion. I don’t understand why that can’t be a way Christians could deal with having LGBT people around when there are kids involved.
Stereotyping is pretty damaging and I don’t understand why people can’t see that’s what they are doing.
They ought to hire Jamie Hendrix as the “are you experienced” officer.
I am certainly going to advise our friends who have of these recent developments in the land of girl scouts – what developments? What’s changed?
Ok, “reality,” another connection to PP just established by GS. If doubts afflict you, pay attention how the girls will be brainwashed NOW.
How is a lesbian being hired “another connection to PP”?
See what I’m talking about? Stereotyping and LGBT people never getting the benefit of the doubt or being seen as individuals.
Well Jack, what type of experience and leadership can a lesbian with the title of “girl experience officer” provide? I’ve seen many titles in my day but this one is definitely about “girl power, my body my choice” etc. I am not stereotyping but inferring.
Uh, I don’t know her Thomas. I don’t know anything about her besides the fact she is married to a woman. You are not “inferring”, you are stereotyping and making unwarranted judgments about her based on her sexual orientation. “Girl experience” could mean multiple things, you just decided on the least flattering one because of your prejudices.
Look at Del’s comment further up on the thread and contemplate it, please.
Del wants more info on her but for me the title speaks volumes and also who was hired to take on the “responsibilities” of that title speaks double volumes. I stand by my original statement about connections to PP without hesitation…
You’re just prejudiced and assuming things. It would be as stupid as assuming my workplace suddenly supports PP because they hired me (a bisexual), or that my sister’s church suddenly supports PP because they let her (a lesbian) attend there. I think my sister even works in the nursery at her church. Gasp.
You probably supported the Arizona law too.
Jack: pro-gun but pro-universal healthcare! the horror!
Well yeah, with all those guns floating around, universal healthcare is gonna be needed.
No I did not Jack. There is a comment I posted in reference to the Arizona law on another thread from the viewpoint of business. Look it up. If you have trouble I will point you to the thread where I discredited the premise of that law. You still have so much to learn about me…
Edit: Stanek Sunday Funnies 3/2/14 comment posted on 03/04/14 at 1030 am. Read it and get back to me…
Lol I saw your comment. You don’t oppose the law on basis of “LGBT people don’t deserve to be punished for being LGBT”, which is the moral reason to oppose the law. You opposed it because bigots wouldn’t make as much money if they refused to serve LGBT people. Color me unimpressed.
I don’t think you’re terrible but I’m absolutely sick of Christians stereotyping and judging LGBT people.
:)
What LDPL said “thomas r.”, in triplicate.
Okay I generalized in my 5:01 comment. Not all Christians stereotype and unfairly judge LGBT people. I do think, however, that it should not just be atheists and confused half-Christians (lol) speaking up about these indignities and stereotypes. If there are enough Christians who love LGBT people and see them as individuals, why don’t people say anything in these conversations? It’s really depressing, and then we wonder why LGBT people avoid going to church.
Okay Jack let’s process this constant need for acceptance. You do realize that in the US it is not mandatory to accept someone for who they are in order to provide service to them. No matter how it is desired, no business owner can be forced to accept anyone. To me thus, the lowest denominator is to provide service based on a business model rather than morality model. Makes more sense to business owners anyway to keep them from discriminating against people they may not like. You seem to be stuck on a perspective that will not see the light of day anytime soon as long as we live in a heterogenous society where many differences define and separate us. That is the reality of this issue. Throwing the bigot term at anyone who disagrees with you or simply points out a different perspective is got so old and stale its not working on me anymore. And if you noticed by advocating the business model, which you disagree with, I’ve actually lend support to the first step toward acceptance. Not everyone takes leaps, most people arrive by taking small steps.
For the record, those “personal” wedding pictures were posted in San Diego Magazine a few years ago.
Perhaps if they sought “personal” they might not have given permission to San Diego Magazine to publish them, nor feature an exclusive article on the darling couple, interview several members of their family, and even interview other folks associated with the festivities.
“Perhaps if they sought “personal” they might not have given permission to San Diego Magazine to publish them, nor feature an exclusive article on the darling couple, interview several members of their family, and even interview other folks associated with the festivities.”
I think you missed my point. I said as pro-lifers our focus should be on whether or not she’s going to be pushing pro-abortion viewpoints on girls, not looking at her wedding photos and freaking out over her marital status. I would like to know what she’s planning (if anything) on teaching girls about abortion, I don’t care if she’s married to a woman and I don’t think it’s relevant to whether or not she’s pro-life or pro-choice (though she is probably pro-choice, statistically it’s likely).
“You seem to be stuck on a perspective that will not see the light of day anytime soon as long as we live in a heterogenous society where many differences define and separate us. ”
Eh, probably. People will be mean whether or not I like it. But I’m not going to pretend I think there’s anything moral about refusing to do business with people, based on some facet of their lives that’s really none of your business as a business owner. And I think that sexual orientation should be a legally protected class from discrimination, like religion is. I don’t think acceptance is actually going to get any better as long as people believe in the Bible, so the next best thing is making it illegal to discriminate against people.
And I didn’t call you a bigot, I don’t know where you got that. I called people who would not serve an LGBT person just because they are LGBT bigoted. I don’t call people bigoted for thinking homosexuality is a sin, I do think people are bigoted when they punish people for being LGBT.
American Heritage Girls is a wonderful alternative to Girl Scouts.
https://www.ahgonline.org/
So very sad. Nothing on this earth can redefine God-ordained “marriage”, no matter how PC, socially acceptable, state-endorsed, DoJ enforced, Presidentially encouraged, liberal promoted and New Age it may be. She cannot be a “wife” or “married” to another woman no matter who (or whether or not) someone straps on paraphanalia or even alters their body, it is biologically, anatomically, hormonally, genetically, emotionally psychologically and spiritually impossible. Not hate, not homophobia. not bigotry, not anger, but no amount of spiritual deception and no mental or physical gymnastics that the anti-God, anti-Christ spirit ever devises can change what was divinely created, divinely purposed, divinely ordered, life-giving and life-affirming. “Righteousness exalts… sin is a reproach (a disgrace) to any people”. It is the truth. Don’t bother to throw the “hate-bombs” it won’t work, I will continue to strive to love just as God loved me to enough to bring me out of my life of sin so that I can speak the truth in love to those in bondage. Jesus is still “the way, the truth and the LIFE” and he is still able to “heal the broken-hearted and set the captive free”. He is still in the transforming business like an ex-lesbian shared in her testimony., “no matter if you think you were “born this way”, Jesus told Nicodemus “you must be born again”.”There is a way that seems right unto a man but the end thereof is destruction.” Jesus said “The enemy comes to steal, kill and destroy, I am come to give you LIFE, and that more abundantly.” God loves homosexuals, bisexuals, transgendered, queer, fornicators, adulterers, those who commit premarital sexual acts, liars, and yes even me but He gave His life in a horrible, tortured death to free us from death (eternal separation from him) so we can be resurrected to new LIFE through Him. May God forgive the weak, anemic cowardly church who were silent to long and forgive this ungodly nation. “If my people who are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray, seek my face, turn from their wicked ways then I will hear from heaven and heal their land.” 2 Chron. 7:14. Unfortunately, if those who call themselves Christ-followers do not take a stand for unions that affirm LIFE we will have nothing left to fight for. Choices have consequences.
Jill, people who voted for BHO to become POTUS, (the man who stared you down as you testified before him years ago who voted 4 times against BAIPA), did not know that they were ushering in “the transformation of America” to death, sterility, and defiance against the God who created LIFE. You must have LIFE before you can have liberty or the pursuit of happiness.
“People will be mean whether or not I like it.”
Wrong outlook there Jack. I interpret people as being themselves simply because they have the right to their own beliefs. Are you not mean by using the word bigot toward others when it does not even apply? Those that don’t want to serve others because they are LGBT subscribe to their worldview. They will ultimately either benefit from this worldview or be “crushed” under its weight…
The only question in my mind for me is: do I have to allow other’s views to affect me and to what extent? Thick skin and the ability to focus only on me does wonders…
Yes, Thomas, they are following their worldview and people sometimes follow mean worldviews. If they didn’t want to serve someone based on race or religion it would be just as mean. That’s why we had fair housing laws and such, so mean people couldn’t be leaving minorities out in the cold or in slums. Like I said, it’s never going to change, so I think people should be legally protected.
But I’m done with convos of this nature, just email me if you want to discuss it. We should all stick to opposing abortion.
“Like I said, it’s never going to change, so I think people should be legally protected.”
One last thing Jack: here in the Windy City btw December and April you cannot evict anyone even if they are not paying rent. Works wonders for some, this fair housing law.
Too bad for all those mean bigots who never see a cent of their rent money during this time and even afterwards! Let’s stick it to ’em, hurray…
You have no clue what fair housing laws are, do you? Have you ever worked in property management? I have. Rent laws are different laws than fair housing laws.
Whatever Jack. I was responding to your “legally protected” assertion more so than anything else….on a tangent at that…
Fair housing laws don’t have anything to do with this conversation anyway so what was the point you wanted to make?
Thanks for your accurate information on 4H, len! My younger sister did 4H for most of her pre-adult life and it was wonderful. She later went on to study equine sciences, worked at a large animal vet for a while, and now she has a fantastic job that she loves, in a management position at a company that manufactures horse pharmaceutical products and also sells horse gear and accessories. 4H opened her whole life up to her and I have a soft spot for it in my heart. She was definitely my mom’s toughest kid, with the most potential for going off the rails – being at the barn at 5am before school every morning, and loving it, probably changed her whole life. I am so grateful that we have government funding for programs like this one, that can enrich people’s lives and educations immeasurably.
Thomas all fair housing laws are is protection for people to not be denied housing or get evicted over things like religion or race. Like I said, some people will always be discriminatory so that why these laws exist. It’s got nothing to do with not paying rent. So I would like to see the non-discrimination for things like housing applied to sexual orientation too. As long as people believe the Bible means that they should discriminate against LGBT people (which it doesn’t, but that’s besides the fact), people need protection from being denied housing or employment or whatever based on this stuff. That is all I meant and I don’t want to discuss it further.
Nothing on this earth can redefine God-ordained “marriage” – it doesn’t need to.
She cannot be a “wife” or “married” to another woman no matter who (or whether or not) someone straps on paraphanalia or even alters their body, it is biologically, anatomically, hormonally, genetically, emotionally psychologically and spiritually impossible. – ‘she’ needn’t adhere to your interpretation.
You’ll have to explain “broadcasting sexuality” because it almost seems like what is broadcasting when LGBT people do it is just normal living when heterosexuals do it.
Jack, I’m talking about incidents like during the St. Patrick’s Day parade in NYC, which city governemnt boycotted because the officials did not allow gays to wear T-shirts or carry banners pointing out their sexual orientation. This was called ‘bigoted” but they didn’t allow anyone to carry signs of a political orientation, including, prolifers to carry any anti-abortion signs either, and there are tons of Irish-Catholic prolifers in NYC.
Personally I don’t see the point of being proud of your sexual orientation, or your race or ethnic group. Be proud of your individual accomplishments and how you make the world a better place, not of some accident of birth.
Oh I get what you were saying phillymiss, and yes I think it’s rather silly to have “pride” in inborn characteristics. I think the point of Pride parades and such, though, is to counteract the “you must be ashamed of yourself” mindset. It might be kinda dumb but I get it.
I have granddaughters, and I would not want an openly lesbian woman serving as a role model for my granddaughters–just as I would not want an openly gay man serving as a role model for my grandson (if I had a grandson). Aren’t parents often told that children learn by example, that they imitate our actions rather than follow what we tell them? A couple of months ago I heard an interview with a woman who had given up the lesbian lifestyle due to her belief in Christ. This woman had become a lesbian as a young teenager after she was seduced by an older woman–who was her mentor.