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There’s like a Cirque du Soleil performance [in there]. It’s like alien stuff.
~ Actress Ginnifer Goodwin, discussing her active preborn baby on Jimmy Kimmel Live! via People, April 25
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It is not an alien though is it??
Your human baby is fully alive! Moving and kicking and sucking her thumb. Yawning and hiccupping.
Wait, so cirque du soleil are aliens now?
Her emotional maturity is so uninspiring….
Wow Thomas, she’s obviously joking around and being metaphorical to express her thoughts about her pregnancy. I don’t see how that’s “emotionally immature”.
You know youre getting older when you have no idea who these actresses and actors are anymore. Never heard of her. I dont really even watch movies. I couldnt find any info. stating she was PC …..I was more interested in the article about the woman kicked off a flight for wearing a PC vulger shirt. Eh good luck to this lady whoever she is.
Well shes a liberal so shes on the boycott list for Heather!
She obviously was just making a joke about how it feels to be pregnant. And it *is* kind of weird sometimes. Even knowing there’s another HUMAN growing INSIDE you. My husband and I joked about our growing alien all the time. It’s not an immature thing, Thomas.
And depending on the baby (like hers and mine!), it can most definitely feel like you’ve got Cirque de Soleil in there! lol
And JDC, alien Cirque De Soleil? That would be super aweomse. But then again, it might be lame because “normal” human things might be exotic and daring to them. “Watch as this alien…. does LAUNDRY! With TWO HANDS!!!!” lol
Did I say emotional immaturity Jack? I specifically referred to her as possessing emotional maturity but not in an inspiring way (to me). Compare that to Olivia Wilde’s discussion of her pregnancy and you will get my point :)
heather,
She’s Snow White on Once Upon a Time. I rather like it. The CGI effects are quite good.
I doubt she practices magic in real life, so unless one of the cast members is a super-pro-aborter I’m not boycotting it yet.
Thanks hans…i never would have known that. And I didnt play the video but I dont take offense to her comments about pregnancy. I simply wont watch her shows because shes a liberal.
Many actors and actresses are liberals. I don’t boycott them just because they have stupid views, only if they do/say something really outrageously idiotic or if they, you know, can’t do their job and are terrible at acting. ;)
Ginnifer’s parents did a very good job raising her in an interfaith marriage. More than I can say about Chelsea’s “interfaith” “work.”
Ginnifer is still young and totally enamoured by the Hollywood mentality but being a parent will open her eyes I am sure.
She is evolving though, having abandoned being a vegan after experiencing health issues. So it looks like she is not prone to being controlled and so may still surprise us on other matters.
Veganism can be rough on the body if you don’t do it correctly, but vegetarianism is wonderful. I consider her views devolving, not evolving if she started eating animals, you just have to add dairy and eggs every once and a while and it takes care of the health issues from Veganism.
Jack, majority of Americans are carnivorous. And it is a fact that in terms of the food chain theory, humans (well at least in developed nations) are on top.
It is not unethical to eat meat but simply a personal choice. I thought that liberals respect personal choices ;)
Thomas eating meat is 100% unethical and not a personal choice. Animals are living beings and shouldn’t be killed for the personal enjoyment of humans (because that’s what it is, you don’t NEED to eat meat, you simply like it). Eating meat is completely uneccessary for good health. I don’t care if everyone in the world besides me eats meat, it’s sill wrong and immoral.
Only pro-personal choice until it affects and harms non-consenting parties.
So is it ethical then when animals eat other animals?
I think that cannibalism is unethical for our species but eating meat from the nature’s food chain does not meet that definition by any stretch of the imagination.
But I do respect your opinion. Now if you’ll excuse me, barbecued chicken from yesterday awaits me to feast on for lunch.
Humans evolved rationality, we aren’t bound by our “urges” in the same way that other animals are. We have a duty to other animals to not raise them by the billions just to slaughter them for our personal enjoyment. I seriously think it’s horrific and disgusting that we have entire farms and factories set up just to kill and make animals into processed products for consumption, just because people find a vegetarian diet boring. It’s self-centered and cruel and completely unnecessary for people in the western world (if people live in a place where a vegetarian diet is not possible to stay healthy on then I don’t see an ethical problem with eating meat).
Ew I remember eating chicken as a kid, it’s gross texture AND taste.
“(if people live in a place where a vegetarian diet is not possible to stay healthy on then I don’t see an ethical problem with eating meat).”
That place you speak of is the United States of America :)
“Ew I remember eating chicken as a kid, it’s gross texture AND taste.”
If its Perdue its most certainly true. Try the Amish….
That’s a complete lie. Meat is unnecessary to a healthy diet. I haven’t eaten meat in about 13 years (except when I was homeless and starving a couple times, and then I just threw it up) and I’m perfectly healthy. Vegetarians also have lower cholesterol, less heart disease, and other health benefits as compared to carnists.
Meat is disgusting I won’t be trying anything else. I’m no longer a child where people can force me to eat it or agree that it’s moral to eat it.
You can get all the nutrients you need without consuming any dead animals, in the western world. You might be out of luck in a developing country and might not have access to all the foods you need, so I don’t see people in that situation eating meat as unethical or immoral.
I was just making a suggestion about the Amish, no need to get testy :)
I’m not testy. I just don’t get people. I say “I hate meat and I think it’s immoral to eat it” and they always tell me all the millions of disgusting dishes I should try. It grosses me out lol.
Hate is such a strong word, just don’t let it consume you :)
No I genuinely hate it. My oldest sister told me even when I was a toddler I would spit out meat she tried to serve me and cried lol. I’m pretty sure I have never enjoyed it. I was forced to eat it until I was like 12 or 13 and the my mom finally gave up forcing me to eat it. It’s nasty! And morally wrong.
Jack, did you ever see The Lion King with your kids? Did you cover their eyes durin “The Circle of Life?” ;)
I don’t see eating meat as being any more unethical than eating dead plants. You have deprived both of the ability to live out their lives and perpetuate their species. And I can think of a million plants that are more enjoyable for me to admire as living beings than a cow or a chicken.
Life begets life. That’s a stumbling-block for those who believe in the god of Incredible Luck. Life also sustains life.
I love Lion King. And Simba converted to pseudo-vegetarianism when he was with Timon and Pumba (it’s metaphorical! shouldn’t eat other animals just because they aren’t your species!).
The problem is we’re creating other beings just to destroy them for our own amusement. There’s no “circle of life” to have animals born into captivity, force fed food that isn’t even natural for them half the time, given growth hormone and antibiotics, and then slaughtered en masse to feed people who don’t want to even try to eat ethically.
And I don’t get why people always try to convince me how wrong I am. How does it affect anyone if some crazy 1/2 percent of people think killing animals for food is bad? So what if I think you guys are being immoral for eating meat, there’s plenty about me yall think is immoral?
Well, saying something we do is unethical kind of elicits a response.
Conservatives say liberals are wrong. Liberals say conservatives are unethical.
My palate is about as adventurous as yours was as a kid. The smell of spaghetti and pizza always made me a bit queasy, so I never tried them. Probably the sauce.
So I find such foods “disgusting”. Broccoli too. Who knows? They might taste all right. Like you, I don’t feel the need to try.
But to be totally ethical, you’d have to live on vitamin pills, Jack. And even they come from farmiming poor yeast cultures and such. :)
“Well, saying something we do is unethical kind of elicits a response.”
I can’t find abortion ethical, I can’t find the death penalty ethical, can’t find many things ethical. I still think you’re great people though!
“Conservatives say liberals are wrong. Liberals say conservatives are unethical.”
This is so far beyond true I can’t even! You killed my “can” Hans!! ;)
I don’t think you’re unethical, I think the act of eating meat is unethical. I’ve been informed about a million times it’s okay to object to actions and the person isn’t allowed to be offended. ;)
When they have pure synthetic food (like they are starting to do with lab grown meat and such) I will live on that and leave the natural plants alone. Until then, I can’t just die lol. Like I said, if your only eating options are another living thing, that’s life but you should try to minimize harm (eating plants versus animals, for example).
Can’t talk any more. Busy eating the poor “buttery” remains of peanuts and their wheat brothers. But it is natural with no trans fats.
Thanks Hans for jumping in. I appreciate some sanity in this crazy talk about carnivorous people being unethical. Peace….
See Thomas you always ask me to point out how you insult and talk down to me, well there you go. My views are no more crazy than yours are. I just find it insane I can’t criticize one action without being insane or crazy, when people criticize other actions or things people are all the time!
Wait a minute did you just not talk down to Mary and called her meat-eating disgusting and unethical. You did apologize but what you stated remains. You also call many views disgusting. You also told me a few posts above that it is immoral to eat meat knowing well that I do.
Why do you get upset and take this reference personally? It was not personally-directed but general statement but if you want to as always turn this into “attacking Jack” I may as well complain that you insulted me by calling my meat eating habits immoral. Do you see the logic here or miss it???
No I wasn’t trying to call Mary disgust or unethical. I find eating meat gross and killing animals unethical. I don’t think the people who do so are bad people or disgusting. Do you really think I go around disgusted by 99% of the population?
I just don’t get how it’s any more offensive or insane to call meat eating unethical, if that’s a view you truly hold, than calling LGBT people immoral, or those oh advocate for the death penalty unethical, etc. People say that criticism of the action is different from criticizing the person, so it seems like that should negate enough. I should be more careful in my language though, carnivores are not immoral as people but eating meat is an immoral act.
Hmm, that was some interesting autocorrect action. Sorry Thomas.
I’m no longer a child where people can force me to eat it or agree that it’s moral to eat it.
:) So cookie dough for dinner? lol
This is probably one of the best ways to be an adult… UNLESS you marry someone who does not like what you like. :( So sad.
SO I actually have a legitimate question Jack. What do you say about hunting for those who are inclined to eat meat? I mean, is that more ethical in your book? Usually, the animal has lived a healthy, free, normal life and would die/be killed by nature anyway. I’m just curious if that’s more ethical in your book.
And I don’t think you’re a bad person for thinking meat is unethical. I get where you’re coming from. I’m trying to cut back on it but I do personally like it, so there’s that. But I do try to eat ethically gathered meat. I don’t know. I had a nightmare one time about animal slaughter. :(
I love meat. Will never stop eating it. Ive read that our bodies need it. Its just a personal choice.
I gave myself a “like” for my response to Jack in which I specifically pointed out to Jack how he does it to others since Jack alleged incorrectly that I insulted him. And yet that one “like” that follows Jack approved of him calling me out for “insults” when there was none.
I guess that one “like” will just approve anything as long as it comes from Jack.
Heather, your May 1, 2014 at 10:01 am comment: meat is the best and we need more of it everywhere.
Thomas you’re the only one who cares about the “like”s.
Anyway, I’m sorry that I felt insulted. I guess it’s not anything different from any other thing people criticize here. And people are going to take things personally if it’s something dear to them. It would be like me talking about how stupid and crazy Catholicism is and how Catholics just need to “evolve” and become better people and stop being Catholic (I would never say that, of course). You can’t pretend it wouldn’t upset you. Vegetarianism is like the last good thing I have and you guys can’t take it too!
And no your body does not need meat. You will have better heart health and lower rates of other illnesses if you stop eating meat. And you won’t have to kill any animals to feed yourself.
“SO I actually have a legitimate question Jack. What do you say about hunting for those who are inclined to eat meat? I mean, is that more ethical in your book? Usually, the animal has lived a healthy, free, normal life and would die/be killed by nature anyway. I’m just curious if that’s more ethical in your book. ”
Yeah, it’s more ethical. I wouldn’t do it personally but I have much less of a problem with hunting than creating billions of animals to be slaughtered for humans. And we killed off a lot of the natural predators in the US anyway, so hunting is pretty necessary (unfortunately) to keep deer from starving en masse I guess. I don’t like it but it’s a lot more ethical than millions of animals living out their sad little lives being pumped with growth hormones and never able to have a natural life before being slaughtered.
Okay thanks for the answer. ;) I was just wondering. I’m glad you’re not all crazy about not killing any animals ever. Your position is reasonable. Yay! (Not that you needed my approval).
And yeah, near where I live (No. VA), the deer hunting season is almost 9 months long because (bow only) because they do starve and end up putting people’s lives at risk because they overpopulate the area.
But incidentally, I do also hate it when people hunt for sport and then just don’t use the animal for anything. So sad.
“It would be like me talking about how stupid and crazy Catholicism is and how Catholics just need to “evolve” and become better people and stop being Catholic (I would never say that, of course).”
Did you or did you not call Ginnifer DEVOLVING???? Do you honestly remember what you write???? Does that one “like” who follows you read the content of your comments and other comments to which you respond, before she gives you that “like?????” Incidentally, I don’t care about “likes” at all, it’s just lately I have the need to point out that this “like” (I have a good guess who) is just fascinated with anything you write no matter how accurate it is about others :)
Apology for taking a comment personally that was not,is accepted.
“And you won’t have to kill any animals to feed yourself.”
Are you under the impression that I kill animals?!?! :)
“Did you or did you not call Ginnifer DEVOLVING???? Do you honestly remember what you write???? ”
But I was joking? :/
Well if you don’t care I don’t understand why you keep pointing out “likes” I get, it’s not like I have control over who “likes” my comments.
No you don’t kill animals but you contribute to those who do.
No you were not Jack you were totally serious and now you are attempting to backtrack. See how you are! You constantly gripe on others about how we express ourselves and now you are using a defense mechanism when in fact it can be determined that in the context of your comment you were serious, in defending vegeterianism.
Jack you may not know the “like” but I say that “like” is your enabler. As I said, she gives you “likes” for you, dismissing that you constantly engage in behaviors you cry about others doing. I truly hope this person does not do any counseling…..
No it was a sarcastic rejoinder to you saying that she was “evolving”. There’s no such thing as “devolving” anyway, it’s not a term that actually exists in evolution. But this conversation is getting ridiculous. I’m sorry I defended vegetarianism. I don’t really know what you want me to say. I just can’t say that I agree that it’s okay to eat meat. Though I feel kinda bad about it now.
And about the “like” I don’t know what you want me to do about it. Hey “liker”, stop liking me if I make a comment that isn’t okay.
“No you don’t kill animals but you contribute to those who do.”
No I don’t. To lay this guilt trip is just ridiculous. I’ll leave it there.
She will not stop “liking” you Jack, whatever comments you make. She has been enabling you for a very long time. It’s become a part of her :)
DEVOLVE:
to become worse or of less value
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/devolve
How is it untrue? It’s quite literally true. If you eat meat, you are paying into the meat industry, which supports those who kill the animals? It’s not like your guys’ steaks just appear or all those animals die a natural death. I don’t get how that’s even offensive if you don’t think there’s anything wrong with raising and killing animals for meat. How would it be a quilt trip if killing animals is a good thing? Now you just aren’t making any sense at all.
All right. I request that, any time that Thomas and I argue, that no one like any of my comments. Because I don’t actually care at all about “likes” and it apparently upsets him?
I don’t actually know what you want me to say Thomas so just tell me,
Well, I’ll cop to “liking” Jack’s 3:31 p.m. “liking” comment. I usually abstain on extranaous rabbit trails on a thread.
Hans: I have been referring to that one “like” as a she. You’re off the hook :)
Jack: let’s just agree that some people prefer being vegetarian and some are carnivorous. My diet consists of both – would that minimize your disapproval of my eating habits? :)
No I can’t agree that it’s fine to be carnivorous, I’m sorry.
And I can’t agree that being vegetarian is the way either. So now what?
It’s not just a mere difference of opinion to me.
Well, you will not convert me to being one hundred percent vegetarian. I can tell you that much….
Well 99% of Americans feel the same as you, I believe.
Still don’t get why it’s so offensive to think eating meat is an immoral act, maybe I should just call it perverted instead. Or maybe vile. Those seem to be acceptable words for things we don’t like around here, lol.
That was 100% a joke in case anyone gets mad,
But anyway I think that it’s okay to be happy about not eating meat. I knew it was wrong even when I was a little kid, no matter what my mom did to make me eat it. I won eventually and haven’t eaten it since. I don’t think that makes me less evolved or that it’s something bad. I’ve been wrong before about what’s moral or not but I don’t think I’m wrong about this one. And again I don’t know why any of you would care if a ridiculously tiny percentage of the population thinks you are partaking in something immoral. All of you talk about what other people do and are that is immoral all the time, I don’t see why this is any different. I’ve never said meat eaters are bad people.
Oh sure, I’m not one to limit your freedom of speech. I was just pointing out that if you do it so can we.
Use any terminology you like. I had chili (with meat) for lunch today. Hopefully you can live with that :)
Why are you so obsessed with likes, Thomas?
He’s not obsessed with likes, he’s obsessed with me getting likes. I don’t understand, I don’t get anymore than anyone else. I wish people would just stop liking anything I write all together because I’m tired of being chastised for it. I don’t know how to fix it because I don’t control what other people do.
Obviously no one seems to read the content of my comments regarding that one “like.” See what I mean – people just skim and then attempt to comment. Even Jack’s comment above reflects that my 5 or so posts regarding this one “like” that keeps following him, just went over his head. He is not understanding what I have attempted to convey to that one “like.” Jack does not understand but hopefully that one “like” did.”
It may be best you read all of my comments LibertyBelle.
Well, I’m sorry I’m dumb, but I really don’t get why every single thread you get mad at people liking my comments. I don’t get it at all. Why does it matter at all?
Let’s just drop this. For what its worth I think that that one “like” is getting the content of my comments….
We cool….
Well I told everyone not to like any of my comments anymore so please stop bringing it up every thread. I can’t fix it.
I will agree to that if you stop correcting me on how I express myself thus limiting my right to free speech and expression, deal :)
Well stop taking it as “correction”. I’m just stating my opinion on how you choose to express yourself. Basically, you want the right to say whatever you want, and have no one object to the portrayal of themselves. That’s ridiculous. It’s fine if you don’t care how you come across to people, but you can’t really complain when people use their own free speech to object.
And yes I realize I do the same thing at times.
Well the problem is that people get hung up on how others express themselves rather than the message. As long as we are not using derogatory terms there should be no issue. Often, concentrating on how people express themselves derails from the content of the comment.
And yes, you do the same but more than at times only :)
I *do* read your comments, Thomas. I just don’t agree with them, mostly.
But if it’ll help you sleep at night, I have, in the past, liked your comments. :)
Do you really read my comments, I doubt it. See I was only referring to this one “like” and yet so many misconstrue this into a discussion about all “likes.” And truly, no one has to give me “likes.” I don’t comment to get them.
Rest assured the only affirmation I look forward to is my wife’s and our children’s.
Oh, you don’t have to agree with my commentary, I don’t mind – at least you don’t correct my style of expressing myself and cry about how I come across :)
Wow…how did we go from talking about Ginnifer Goodwin to whether or not it’s okay to eat meat to who gets how many “likes” on their comments? I guess I didn’t follow the train of comments and transitions very well…in my defense, I was scanning rather than reading fully. So I’ll address each subject in order:
In terms of Ginnifer Goodwin–I watch ONCE UPON A TIME. Really good show–interesting and you basically have to forget the majority of what you know of how a fairy-tale is told (whether Disney, Hans Christian Anderson, or Grimms Brothers). It’s a lot of fun, and I’ve seen every episode. Next week is the Season 3 2 hour finale. I also saw Ginnifer Goodwin on HE’S JUST NOT THAT INTO YOU. Whether or not a person likes her is up to them. I think she’s a really good actress and I know that she’s excited about the baby (they even wrote the pregnancy into the show so that there wouldn’t have to be any adjustments and Ginnifer could continue to be on the show without any changes in camera angles or her suddenly disappearing in the middle of the season. I thought they handled it nicely.
As to vegetarianism versus omnivore or carnivore…it’s a matter of taste. Personally I’m not big on the whole vegetarian movement, but I suppose if you’re getting enough protein and being careful and having a doctor on board to assist you, then it can be all right. I have my own issues that I’m working on with my doctors to correct, so I eat whatever I can eat and chicken is one of those things. You don’t have to eat it, Jack, I certainly won’t force you, especially since you have such a distaste for it, but I think the idea of looking down on meat-eaters is just as bad as meat-eaters looking down on you. I’m not a fan of vegetarianism. I’ve known people who are and I don’t get it. However, it’s not worth my time or theirs to get into a big fuss over it. As long as a person is being careful, getting protein and nutrients, then what does it matter if they are omnivore, carnivore, or vegetarian? I, personally, will eat meat and veggies. I’ll eat some veggies, and I’ll eat my chicken (sorry, Jack, I actually LIKE the taste of chicken). (Although, Jack, I do have Coconut Milk Creamer that I use for my coffee and I eat Blueberry or Raspberry Coconut Yogurt).
As to “likes” on comments…ehhh…some people get ’em some people don’t. Although I will say there are comments that I’m glad when they get a lot of likes and some I’m glad don’t get many, however on this thread, I don’t care who gets what “likes”.
I don’t look down on meat eaters. I just think meat eating is an immoral and unethical act unless it’s necessary for the person’s life/health. I don’t see how it’s different than thinking anything else is immoral. It’s not (just) a matter of personal taste to me, it’s a matter of animal’s lives.
I’m highly amused I specifically asked for people to not like my comments on this thread and people completely ignored me lol. See Thomas it’s not my fault.
If it makes you feel any better, Jack, I “liked” only about one of your comments here. ;)
But I agreed totally with Mother in Texas’ comment. I’ve seen every episode of Once Upon A Time, too!