Pro-choicer happy to play Peter Pan ten days after abortion
by Carder
I was only able to have this abortion because a series of privileges aligned to grant me access to my right…
9. I wasn’t subjected to the abusive requirement of looking at the ultrasound before the procedure. I was given a choice. I said no.
10. I was able to tell my professors and director: “I. Had. An. Abortion. This is a difficult personal/emotional time right now,” and they supported me through it.
11. I found myself in the Rand Theater, flying over an audience, playing Peter Pan, 10 days later.
~ University of Massachusetts student Emma Ayres (pictured) describing eleven reasons why she was privileged to be granted abortion access, The Massachusetts Daily Collegian via Socialist Worker, November 20
[Photo via Emma’s Facebook page]
Nov.21, 2014 6:00 am |
Post-abortion |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Apparently, in abortion-delusion-land, making someone glance at her intended victim before his or her death is “abusive.”
Dismemberment is not.
Apparently she’s a method actress. No responsibility for her, please, she has to play Peter Pan in 2 weeks, child be damned!
Oh the irony, playing Peter Pan, a boastful but naive character who never grows up or faces responsibility.
Well she fits the cold blooded killer category now doesn’t she?
I… I… I… I… :(
“Well she fits the cold blooded killer category now doesn’t she?”
Yes, she certainly does.
Looking at your OWN CHILD on a sonogram screen is “abusive” ???
Wow.
*If looking at the child you’re about to have killed is REALLY TOUGH for you – then maybe killing him/her is something you shouldn’t be doing -hmmm??*
This is going to be difficult for her to live with.
She killed her child so she could be in a play. In a few years, the play will be a faded memory and the abortion will still be a raw experience.
She is publicly defending her choice. This sets her on a long path of self-denial and making excuses. It will be much more difficult to admit to herself that her choice was a terrible mistake. That self-admission is the first step toward healing.
Her sign reads: “The arts matter to me because they humanize in a world of technological disconnection . . .”
She refused to humanize her unborn child through the technological connection of an ultrasound.
… and embraced the dehumanizing technological disconnection of a suction abortion.
So she could fly over an audience using tracks and wires.
Since her FB is public and linked here, I will share this…some of her added commentary on the article when posted:
“If I didn’t have this right, or the privilege that granted me access to this right, I would have a 1 week old child in my arms and this fact breaks my heart and makes me fight harder.”
I just…I don’t know what emotion to attach to this.
Wow, if this was no big deal why was the decision hard. Why is looking at the ultrasound abusive. She is in denial and some day it will hit her hard. True story about a high school girl that choose abortion because she had just made it into the cheer leading squad and it meant so much to her. Well fast forward five years when she was out of school and working in a shoe store. My daughter who choose life brought her son in to get fitted for a pair of shoes starting kindergarten. She waited on them and measured his foot. Then it hit her. She looked up tearfully and said for a season of cheer leading I killed my child.
Susie Allen that’s a very sad story. It just reminded me of watching SCARED STRAIGHT last night. The Sargent in charge made the kids repeat ” For every negative action there is a consequence “!!!!!! Think about it. Then they brought out the inmates. Many were never going home. Murderers rapists armed robbery. Can you undo HIV? Age is irrelevant to the penal system. Many had families that had written them off. So living with guilt is a consequence of abortion SOMETIMES! I’ve said it before and I’m gonna keep saying it. Not..all women are sorry
She killed her child so she could be in a play. – no Del, she did not have an abortion so she could be in a play. “Last spring I found out I was two months pregnant….As a junior in college with no fiscal stability, I was in no place to be a mother.” One has to wonder what it is that causes you to come out with such stuff Del.
In a few years, the play will be a faded memory and the abortion will still be a raw experience. – I doubt it. She has the opposite approach to abortion to yours. “Now, almost a year later, I am left staring at this list thinking about how lucky I am.” Other people don’t, and won’t, do, feel, think or act as you fantasize they will.
She is publicly defending her choice. This sets her on a long path of self-denial and making excuses. – this is no more than wishful thinking on your behalf. Her article makes it quite clear that she is not experiencing self-denial and that you are well wide of the mark.
It will be much more difficult to admit to herself that her choice was a terrible mistake. – you think her choice was a terrible mistake. She doesn’t. Neither do many others, including her parents. Her mind isn’t going to bend to your will.
That self-admission is the first step toward healing. – there is obviously no healing required.
It has only been seven months since her abortion, Really, and she is still very young.
She has decades of living with her decision ahead of her.
What does nearly every post-abortive woman say? Whether she insists the experience was happy or horrible — “I think about it every day.”
It has only been seven months since her abortion, Really, and she is still very young. – “Now, almost a year later.” So what if she’s still young, it doesn’t mean she’s going to succumb to what you wish her to think and feel.
She has decades of living with her decision ahead of her. – and every day she may well feel that sense of relief she told us she felt.
What does nearly every post-abortive woman say? Whether she insists the experience was happy or horrible — “I think about it every day.” – you have the evidence that ‘nearly every post-abortive woman’ says this? And for all you know, they could be thanking their lucky stars if they do think about it.
Hi Del nice to see you. Just know that I would never side with reality but I have a friend of over 20 years who does not think about her abortion that she had in 96. I wish she did and I wish she was sorry but it never comes up. That’s 1 personal case I can bring up. When or if the topic of abortion does come up she simply says she had one in order to finish school and about how they put her to sleep and blah blah blah. Then she adds she is PC.The end.
All of this is irrelevant when you consider the dead baby. Really.
omg xalasie…..I’ve MISSED YOU!
I wasn’t subjected to the abusive requirement of looking at the ultrasound before the procedure. I was given a choice. I said no.
Wow. If she thinks “being subjected” to looking at the ultrasound would have been “abusive”, why can she not comprehend how truly abusive the abortion “procedure” was for her child??? She is in deep denial.
I’m very sad that she wasn’t required to view a ultrasound of her living baby. That should have been required, so that she could have made a truly informed choice. As it was, her choice was not informed.
How ironic and revealing it is that, even though she did not view an ultrasound of her baby, she still feels the need to justify her abortion. As if murder of an innocent, helpless person could ever be justified. :(
Again, what is this compulsion women have to tell the world about their abortions? Why do they think the whole world wants to hear about it? If you’re so satisfied with your decision, then keep it to yourself or share it with someone who really gives a fat flying.
BTW, let me tell you all about my colonoscopy and why I made the choice to have it done. I’m sure the world anxiously awaits…
Mary.perhaps then you would like to hear all about my uterine ployp removal… JJ:)
“We need to change the polarizing language of pro-life and pro-choice and make a bipartisan commitment to pro-women’s health care.”
Make. me. commit. to. this. you. little. whippersnapper. I hope you have a lot of pixie dust hiding in your tights.
I don’t want anyone associated with my health to get near me or my loved ones if they support killing humans.
Call me selfish.
I went out to eat after my colonoscopy.
My proctologist walked in the restaurant when I was about half way through my meal.
Thank goodness he didn’t recognize me.
“Apparently, in abortion-delusion-land, making someone glance at her intended victim before his or her death is “abusive.””
That’s the same land where they think that we who oppose the killings should pay for the killings.
I am sincerely sorry if my true restaurant story above offended any here.
I take that back. I’m not sorry.
Hi Heather and Prax,
How truly courageous of you both to share with us about your procedures. What a great service you have done for women everywhere, especially you heather. All people should openly share their medical procedures. But please, we really MUST know:
1. Were you able to share with your co workers? Could you say I.had. a.colonoscopy/uterine polyp removal.? Were they sensitive and understanding like Emma’s professors?
2. What series of privileges aligned to grant you access to this “right”?
3. Were you subjected to the “abusive” requirement of being thoroughly informed as to what was going on in your body before you made your decision? Did you have the choice to tell your doctors you just don’t want to see or hear anything about it? I would have to wonder though how you would make a thoroughly informed choice if they hadn’t.
4. We simply have to know what motivated you to have these procedures.
Please ladies, the whole world awaits.
Again, what is this compulsion women have to tell the world about their abortions?
IMHO, there are at least two reasons:
~ They’re trying to convince themselves they did the right thing, and
~ They see themselves as “brave” in admitting this, and ITO, their “bravery” encourages others to be “brave” too, thus perpetuating the myth.
60 million (and counting) little babies … :(
I don’t want anyone associated with my health to get near me or my loved ones if they support killing humans.
Amen! When I was pregnant and my former OB/GYN had retired, I took a lot of time finding an OB who would not and could not kill a little baby. Sadly, it took a lot of time, but it was time well spent.
I don’t call you selfish. I call you principled. And passionate about what you believe.
Hi Mary,
1. A few of them. Yes. Yes.
2. It’s my body! Legal procedure! Women’s Healthcare!
3. Yes. No.
4. I would have had to eventually have more than the polyp removed if I chose not to have the polyp removed. Choosing not to have the removal would have further frustrated my visits to the porcelain throne and eventually would have put me in the ground before I ever had a chance to try out for Tinker Bell.
I have the polyp photo but can’t remember the date and year of the procedure. I never think about how old my polyp would be now or think about holding it in my arms. I suppose I should feel guilty.
Do you think I should frame the photo and put it among my family photos?
Thanks so much for asking about my difficult procedure, Mary. It’s so nice to have a safe space where I know I won’t be judged. I can count on you to respect my feelings about my legal decision to abort my polyp.
Thank you, Claire.
Thank you Prax,
The world is certainly a better place today because you have shared. Men and women will now be more willing to come forward and share their stories and not fear being victimized by the jokes and snickering that often are heard about this procedure.
Now we can only hope heather comes forward about her uterine polyp. I know she will inspire millions of women to tell their stories as well.
Do we have any hemorrhoid or bowel resection stories out there to share?
aaaa you guys crack me up. The polyp removal was a no brainer as my hemoglobin dropped and I became anemic. In short I was bleeding to death. The procedure had to be performed twice…. the first doc was inept and the second time around she got it. Haven’t missed that pesky thing cut from my womb. And the only time I’d share would be if someone wanted to know. So far nobody has even asked.
Thank you heather,
Of course people want to know and you have taken an important first step today by inspiring millions of women to share their stories of uterine polyps with millions of people who just don’t realize they need to hear about them.
I’m willing to listen to a post abortive woman IF she is sorry and admits she made the wrong choice. Excuses don’t fly with me. You have taken a human life Legally! However not many of us accept it Morally! I think of many of those inmates who said they would give anything to hug their mom dad spouse kids again. Too late. They wake up and look at 4 walls every day. Peter Pan gets her freedom.
Also don’t forget many women are repeat offenders of this violent act. You can feel a baby exit your lady parts ( for a woman who has had a late term abortion ) I would want to know where my baby was! Why don’t they care? Their murders are protected by law. Excuses? Well gee perhaps some man robbed a gas station to feed his family. Will the law let him go on that defense? Of course not!
On a more serious note I really can understand a woman who has regrets. There are many of them. I drove a friend to an abortion clinic to kill her baby. My mom and I begged her not to but her parents were ashamed and gave her the $ but they were from Yugoslavia and refused to take her. She couldn’t come home unless she went. The decision to abort was what she’d decided. I went to the procedure movie viewing room where an ice cold abortionist I presume presented how the procedure would go. We were excused but later trimesters had to stay as their procedures would be different. I saw girls with very preggo bellies and thought huh?? I watched the snow fall as my friend was taken to the back. She emerged and we embraced. No tears at that time. 6 months later she had another abortion.
I can’t tell you how she feels today….no contact since 95. Last I’d heard she was hooked on crack but cleaned up her act. She went on to marry and had 2 living children. However the marriage ended. I’ve heard it all through a mutual male friend. Don’t know if she has regrets…. all I know is she was extremely rebellious against her parents because they were strict.
Some days I just can’t believe how many “educated” folks fall for abortion. We have ultrasounds now. We know how many women are pressured and coerced to abort.
“In the age of information, ignorance is a choice.” – Donny Miller
Here is a dandy comment from one of Emma’s supporters:
“I would have a child now, as well, which is the reality for so many less privileged women.”
It really is hard for me to wrap my brain around such demented thinking.
“I would have a child now, as well, which is the reality for so many less privileged women.”
Oh my. I’m pretty darn poor. I’ll tell you that right now. But I consider myself very privileged BECAUSE I have my son.
I honestly believe many women convince themselves the ultrasound is a bad idea because they know it will sway them to change their minds. I think that was a reason, consciously or subconsciously, I sought one prior to my appointment–deep down I wanted to be talked out of it, no matter how many affirming things I read.
Your son has a great mom, Kate.
Its this elitist thinking…that “less privileged” women should be able to abort like the more “elite”. Of course nothing is said about “less privileged” women having access to better education and employment opportunities, real steps to eliminate their poverty.
I don’t recall any legitimate spokeswomen for the poor demanding abortion. Just the elites and their mentality that “we” know what’s best for “them”.
I remember the elitist mentality well, and the desire to see poor women on the abortion tables.
I’m very sad that she wasn’t required to view a ultrasound of her living baby. That should have been required, so that she could have made a truly informed choice. As it was, her choice was not informed. – and if it showed a major deformation or such and that confirmed her decision to abort?
Again, what is this compulsion women have to tell the world about their abortions? Why do they think the whole world wants to hear about it? If you’re not satisfied with your decision, then keep it to yourself or share it with someone who really gives a fat flying.
BTW, let me tell you all about my colonoscopy and why I made the choice to have it done. I’m sure the world anxiously awaits… – is there an anti-colonoscopy group? Are there ‘sidewalk counsellors’ harassing and haranguing people going for colonoscopies? Are people who relate how valuable having a colonoscopy was for them dumped on in internet forums? Are they deemed amoral? What about those with uterine polyps, shouldn’t these be considered ‘gifts’?
I had said: I’m very sad that she wasn’t required to view a ultrasound of her living baby. That should have been required, so that she could have made a truly informed choice. As it was, her choice was not informed.
Reality (yours, anyway) replied by saying – and if it showed a major deformation or such and that confirmed her decision to abort?
Ifs are not good bases for decisions, especially a decision to take a baby’s life.
How would a deformation have confirmed her decision to abort?
is there an anti-colonoscopy group? Are there ‘sidewalk counsellors’ harassing and haranguing people going for colonoscopies? Are people who relate how valuable having a colonoscopy was for them dumped on in internet forums? Are they deemed amoral? What about those with uterine polyps, shouldn’t these be considered ‘gifts’?
Hopefully you meant this in a facetious way, Reality (yours, anyway), but just in case you didn’t, allow me to relate a bit of True Reality:
Polyps in the colon or uterus are truly parts of a woman’s body. As you already know, they aren’t gifts – they’re evidence of disease or possible disease.
They aren’t separate human beings with bodies of their own, like babies in their mothers’ wombs.
I’ve never been pregnant yet I’ve seen a veritable plethora of ultrasounds of fetuses. I’d say she was fully informed. The reason anti-choicers want women forced to view ultrasounds is an emotive ploy. You’re not so keen when an ultrasound convinces women an abortion is the right decision.
You seem easily confused. The decision to abort a deformed fetus isn’t made on the basis of an ‘if’, it’s made on the basis of an ‘is’.
How would a deformation have confirmed her decision to abort? – do you read many of the articles on this site or just the odd one or two?
Polyps in the colon or uterus are truly parts of a woman’s body. – hey, men get polyps in the colon too you know.
As you already know, they aren’t gifts – they’re evidence of disease or possible disease. – yet diseases, deformities etc. in fetuses are claimed to be ‘gifts’, what’s the difference?
They aren’t separate human beings with bodies of their own, like babies in their mothers’ wombs. – both can be threats to health and longevity.
Reality (yours, anyway), no, I’m not easily confused, and, no, I didn’t fall for your deception. You used the word “if” in this scenario: “if [an ultrasound] showed a major deformation or such…”
What “if” the baby had been perfectly normal? Would that affect your view of the woman’s decision to abort?
I have been pregnant. I have seen ultrasounds of babies moving around in the womb, sucking their thumbs, yawning, etc. They are little human beings. They are alive.
Again, you prevaricated instead of simply answering my question. Do you think you could answer it this time?
How would a deformation have confirmed her decision to abort?
One-who-claims-to-be-living-in-Reality: As you (hopefully) already know, polyps in the colon or uterus (do men have uteri?) are either precursors of disease, or evidence of disease.
A baby is not a disease.
Polyps in the colon or uterus are abnormal and unnatural.
A baby is a normal and natural part of life.
If babies weren’t born, the human race would come to an end. Removing polyps enables a person’s life to go on.
If you didn’t already know these things, you are living in UnReality indeed.
no, I’m not easily confused, and, no, I didn’t fall for your deception. You used the word “if” in this scenario: “if [an ultrasound] showed a major deformation or such…” – no deception on my behalf. ‘If’ you found poison in your food, would you still eat it? Remembering that you don’t think ‘ifs’ are a good basis for decisions. What a dilemma you face!
What “if” the baby had been perfectly normal? Would that affect your view of the woman’s decision to abort? – nothing to do with me, it’s her decision. The point I was making, which seems to elude you, is that if she was already committed to having an abortion and when being forced to view the ultrasound saw that the fetus was deformed it is highly likely that she wouldn’t be changing her mind.
I have been pregnant. I have seen ultrasounds of babies moving around in the womb, sucking their thumbs, yawning, etc. They are little human beings. They are alive. – and?
Again, you prevaricated instead of simply answering my question. – wrong yet again.
Do you think you could answer it this time? How would a deformation have confirmed her decision to abort? – see above.
One-who-claims-to-be-living-in-Reality: As you (hopefully) already know, polyps in the colon or uterus (do men have uteri?) – Claire-who-seems-rather-disconnected-from-reality: no, men don’t have uteri, not even a single uterus. Why do you ask? Don’t you know?
are either precursors of disease, or evidence of disease. – I’m going to credit you with figuring that one out yourself :-)
A baby is not a disease. – this too.
Polyps in the colon or uterus are abnormal and unnatural. – what, like red hair or being left-handed are not ‘normal’. If polyps are ‘unnatural’ how do they get there?
A baby is a normal and natural part of life. – and?
If babies weren’t born, the human race would come to an end. – is that why the population of the planet and the US in particular have plummeted so dramatically since abortion became legal? And contraceptives?
Removing polyps enables a person’s life to go on. – so does the right to abortion.
If you didn’t already know these things, you are living in UnReality indeed. – gee, I hope you aren’t going to try to base any decisions on an ‘if’.
Reality,
Yes there is opposition to colonoscopies. I have read articles pointing out that they are done more than necessary and other criticisms. I’ve read plenty of criticism of surgery.
The point is if there are all these people out there waiting to abuse you, as you claim the PL groups do, then the purpose of telling the world of your abortion is ….what? If you’re comfortable with your decision, what do you care what anyone thinks?
(a strange) Reality said: if she was already committed to having an abortion and when being forced to view the ultrasound saw that the fetus was deformed it is highly likely that she wouldn’t be changing her mind.
What if the baby was not deformed (the most likely scenario)?
Mary made an excellent point.
Another valid point is that, yes, she was already committed to having an abortion. So if she was comfortable with her decision, what was the problem with watching an ultrasound?
Yes there is opposition to colonoscopies. I have read articles pointing out that they are done more than necessary and other criticisms. I’ve read plenty of criticism of surgery. – yes of course you have. And did they say no one should have a colonoscopy, ever, under any circumstances?
The point is if there are all these people out there waiting to abuse you, as you claim the PL groups do, then the purpose of telling the world of your abortion is ….what? If you’re comfortable with your decision, what do you care what anyone thinks? – to counter the misinformation and self-righteous propaganda of the anti-choice brigade.
What if the baby was not deformed (the most likely scenario)? – I thought you said decisions shouldn’t be based on ‘ifs’? ‘If’ you found poison in your food, would you still eat it?
Mary made an excellent point. – or so you’d like to think.
Another valid point is that, yes, she was already committed to having an abortion. So if she was comfortable with her decision, what was the problem with watching an ultrasound? – what’s the problem with her not watching it? It’s simply not necessary. Why do you want to force her to view it? It may be useful for the medicos to view it.
Reality,
How does telling the world you had an abortion counter misinformation and propaganda?
BTW, do you think this hasn’t been done before? Its just being recycled…again. So far 40+ years of women telling about their abortions doesn’t seemed to have changed much. People don’t want to hear about them anymore now than they did then.
Because people get to relate their experiences to others. Their reasons. The outcomes. Which demonstrate that the negative impacts that the anti-choice propaganda sells is rarely the case.
People don’t want to hear about them? Is that why they get responses from other people? Is that why you lot get riled up when you come across them? Why do we still read anti-choice abortion ‘stories’ here and on other anti-choice sites then?
Reality,
I promise that if you put your business on the internet for everyone to know, you will get plenty of responses.
The “negative impacts that the anti choice propaganda sells is rarely the case”. Please explain how you know this to be a fact.
I promise that if you put your business on the internet for everyone to know, you will get plenty of responses. – then why did you say that people don’t want to hear about them?
The “negative impacts that the anti choice propaganda sells is rarely the case”. Please explain how you know this to be a fact. – has any anti-choice person here ever provided stats/data/whatever demonstrating that more than a minuscule percentage of women have issues with their abortions? No, they haven’t. The death rate from abortion is much lower than for childbirth yet we keep hearing claims of the opposite. We get regular claims that an abortion/ breast cancer link is proven when such is not the case. The same goes for mental illness/drug issues/suicide.
Reality,
I said you would get responses. It doesn’t mean the world wants to know your business. Maybe you’d hear from people asking why you think anyone cares about your business.
Studies in and of themselves will prove nothing. Even if a study is linked to, it can be criticized and challenged. No study delivers the final verdict. I recall you and Thomas R debating over some study. Fine. As my daughter has said, no study goes unchallenged.
But the fact people you ask don’t link to sources and studies to back their claims, isn’t a basis for you to make a counter claim without sources or studies to back it.
Why do people bother to respond? Why do we still read anti-choice abortion ‘stories’ here and on other anti-choice sites then? On what basis did you claim that people don’t want to hear them anyway? Because you wish they weren’t out there?
Correct, no study goes unchallenged. So what? We know that people keep making the disproven claims I mentioned and that is part of why people still deliver articles about their positive abortion experiences.
Reality,
People can bother to respond for a number of reasons. Maybe they just like spewing venom at you. Maybe they wonder why you think they care. Maybe they are positive and supporting.
Like I told you, its nothing new. The abortion stories have been “out there” for years. They’re just being recycled. What I wish or don’t wish hardly matters.
Personally I think people tell us more than we need or want to hear, on any number of subjects. But you are right, there may be people that want to hear it. The popularity of scandal rags certainly proves that.
Their claims have not been disproven. That’s my point. No study would prove or disprove them. No study would prove your claim true either. Articles about positive or negative experiences are anecdotal, they prove nothing and you can’t draw conclusions from them, including yours that the negative impact of abortion is rarely the case.
So you think that this site, and others, should stop displaying ‘tale of woe’ abortion stories?
People repeatedly claim that the ABC link exists despite it being unproven. They claim it is proven when it isn’t. They also claim that suicide increases rates of mental illness, drug use and suicide despite it being unproven. They claim it is proven when it isn’t. And while people keep repeating the same sweeping, blanket statements regarding aspects such as culture and the impacts of abortion on women without ever even attempting to provide anything which supports their assertions, well…..
Reality,
Nope. Like you say people may want to read stories that don’t particularly interest you and me. So…be my guest.
If people are basing these claims on studies, then they are neither proven or disproven. Did I not back you up when you asked for sources? But this does not make your counterclaims fact. We do not know either way.
Then why did you say People don’t want to hear about them anymore now than they did then. ? Did you just mean yourself?
If people are basing these claims on studies, then they are neither proven or disproven. – lol, that could prove ‘interesting’ in the future.
Did I not back you up when you asked for sources? – in your own special way ;-)
But this does not make your counterclaims fact. We do not know either way. – my intent was to demonstrate that claims were being made which were unproven. The same ones. Time and time again.
Reality,
No, I meant people in general, but point taken, I should not have made that assumption. Again, I’m not interested in anyone’s abortions, drug problems, mental health issues, difficult childhoods, or adulterous relationships. I don’t know anyone who is. However, that doesn’t mean there are not people who are interested.
Well unless they come up with some mega study, and even that can be challenged, then studies will never give us the final answer. We can only do our own research and draw our own conclusions.
The claims were unproven, on both counts.
We can only do our own research and draw our own conclusions. – the only problem being that those who claim that abortion increases breast cancer or that abortion increases suicide only do selective research and then decide on conclusions which are a long way from conclusive.
The claims were unproven, on both counts. – and as I said, I wasn’t proving what causes increases in breast cancer or suicide, just that the claim of abortion being the cause is distinctly unproven.
Reality,
The same can be said for any research. That is why no study is ever final and every researcher expects their findings to be challenged.
They can express the opinion the research is valid, you can present an opposing opinion. Nothing is settled or proven.
I said you made a certain claim (6:05PM) that you could not source either.
When the ‘research’ they present is demonstrated to be invalid then we are beyond ‘opinion’.
I said you made a certain claim (6:05PM) that you could not source either. – what claim is that then?
Reality,
“Which demonstrate that the negative impacts which the anti choice propaganda sells is rarely the case”.
This isn’t proven. The women’s stories are anecdotal. Some may even be made up for all we know.
Some research may be demonstrated to be “invalid” but that does not mean there is not other research that is valid. There may well be research that shows no link that is equally invalid.
This isn’t proven. – yes it is. The full quote you refer to is “Because people get to relate their experiences to others. Their reasons. The outcomes. Which demonstrate that the negative impacts that the anti-choice propaganda sells is rarely the case.” which was in response to your question “How does telling the world you had an abortion counter misinformation and propaganda?” – the fact is that the anti-choice brigade keep claiming that there are all sorts of negative impacts on women to a large extent when all the evidence says otherwise. Such as claiming that abortion leads to such things as increased breast cancer and suicide. These claims are unproven.
The women’s stories are anecdotal. Some may even be made up for all we know. – just like the ‘tale of woe’ anti-abortion stories we see here?
Some research may be demonstrated to be “invalid” but that does not mean there is not other research that is valid. – I’m glad you can see that. I won’t hold my breath waiting for such to emerge in regards to breast cancer, suicide etc.
There may well be research that shows no link that is equally invalid. – that is also true. Such as chocolate ice-cream consumption and breast cancer? A bit pointless really.
Geez reality…I threw you a bone ( didn’t want to ) on my friend who aborted in 96. Everything in her opinion was dandy and years later still is! I thought you might be happy to know that she has no regrets. If you want to hear a positive abortion story then there you go. She was put to sleep and woke up feeling wonderful and she was getting on with her life the next day. Today she doesn’t talk about it…but I’ve heard her say she was so glad to have it available. There is a woman I must assume is really not sorry. She doesn’t drink or do drugs. She’s a grandmother and a wife and a nurse.
Reality,
People relating their experiences is anecdotal. It proves nothing.
Correct, the “tales of woe” are no less anecdotal. They prove nothing, except to the people experiencing them. Some may indeed be made up. I saw one in particular I questioned.
There may be research that does not show a breast cancer/abortion link that is also invalid.
I have yet to see universal agreement on the studies either way.
Right Mary I was once talking to a girl on line who claimed shed had an abortion from rape. I asked if her rapist had been arrested. Suddenly..it was a GANG rape. I asked if anyone had been charged. Suddenly she admitted there was no rape at all. She was trying to justify her abortion. Pathetic!