Weekend question
This question was posed on Planned Parenthood’s Teenwire website:
PP’s research arm, The Alan Guttmacher Institute, published a study in November 2006 estimating, “Among women having abortions in the United States, about one-half have already had a prior abortion.”
If one’s first abortion is the fault of inadequate sex education or nonavailability of contraception, whose fault is a repeat abortion, after one has presumably been armed with sex ed instruction and contraceptive(s) of choice at the abortion mill after the first go-around?
(BTW, Teenwire’s response to the question is a whole other weekend question.)
[HT: reader Brandon C.]
Oct.25, 2008 7:30 am |
Weekend question |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
My answer to Leann:
Your fertility is at risk: future pregnancies could be delivered premature or end in miscarriage.
Their answer: Its as safe as having your tonsils out.
Geez… too bad, but I’d say the risks are cululative, i.e. though the risk is exceedingly low, the more times you do it, the more you’re at risk, same as with continuing pregnancies and giving birth.
Wow is all I have to say to that. Abortion as BC is right.
I, myself had an abortion in 2002 (which I shamefully and painfully regret everyday). I was sent home from Planned Parenthood with a Plan B pill packet. I was never counseled in ANY way about preventing future pregnancies. I was pregnant with in 8 weeks of the abortion. Nothing is done to educate or council at all! Why prevent future pregnancies if you can become a repeat customer?
If one’s first abortion is the fault of inadequate sex education or nonavailability of contraception, whose fault is a repeat abortion, after one has presumably been armed with sex ed instruction and contraceptive(s) of choice at the abortion mill after the first go-around?
Maybe she thought the pro-lifers outside the clinic were telling the truth when they said abortion causes infertility, and didn’t think she needed to do anything to prevent further pregnancies.
My answer to Leann: Your fertility is at risk: future pregnancies could be delivered premature or end in miscarriage.
Their answer: Its as safe as having your tonsils out.
Obviously their answer is the correct one.
I’ve never heard of anyone having tonsils out developing sespis or another related dangerous side effect from Abortion.
*Hugs* Jocelyn *hugs* Thank you for being here.
I second what Liz says….. Jocelyn thank you for being here.
This situation must be sickening to women who undergo years of infertility and can’t have a child. Abortion is a completely selfish act, and for Planned Parenthood to treat it like any simple outpatient procedure to be done over and over again is plain wrong. A child is a gift from God. Whether one believes in God or not… maybe two pregnancies within a few months time is a sign that you should have a child on your life. Listen to those who have been in the situation and haven’t aborted. There are not many regrets.
Janet, women who can’t have kids can adopt, and they are not “owed” kids, nor do other people have to do anything because of their situation.
You do have to wonder what Leann knows about contraception…
Janet, women who can’t have kids can adopt, and they are not “owed” kids, nor do other people have to do anything because of their situation.
Posted by: Doug at October 25, 2008 1:10 PM
I said that abortion is a selfish act. I agree no one is “owed” kids, but those who desire to have family can adopt. A pregnant woman aving a baby to give it a life with loving adoptive parents is the most charitable, selfless act I can imagine.
Correction, that’s
“have a family…” and “A pregnant woman having a baby…
@Liz: A friend of a friend had his tonsils out, and a few days later he began hemorrhaging and had to go to the ER because he was bleeding so badly he was having trouble breathing and was losing a LOT of blood. Had they waited any longer than they did to get him to the hospital, he would have died- from having his TONSILS removed.
Liz my cousin had a terrible experience having her wisdom teeth out. She was throwing up and crying and was hospitalized with dehydration. My experience was better though, I was running three days after the surgery. It all depends on the doctor and you’re body and how well you understand the procedure. Hopefully the doctor is good enough to give you the right advice. Luckily I had the best nurse in the world, my Mom!
I don’t know enough about the situation, but if we’re just throwing out random suggestions I suggest having the baby and giving it up for adoption. Well at least it’s nine abortion free months.
Janet’s right.
Especially when its used for birth control reasons.
There are families out there willing to adopt, but its hard to adopt domestically, and that’s why many couples are basically forced to adopt overseas.
This has resulted in baby girls in china being given a chance at a full life, which is wonderful, but what about the 3000 babies who die every day from Abortion in America?
What about open adoptions Liz? I feel like those would be pretty easy, I mean the mother knows where her child is going, and the new family knows about their babies history. Hmm?
A pregnant woman having a baby…
Janet, oy understands the cockney dialect, an’ ‘avin’ a baby gets the idea across.
As for “selfish” – same old, same old, it’s in the eye of the beholder and our motivation is so-and-so…
My Aunt had a child as a teenager (she was 18 or 19). My mom’s family didn’t know much about this until around late 1988 or early 1989. In fact, its funny……my cousin (The baby my aunt placed for adoption) and my sister went to the same high school and liked the same boy at one time. They graduated in the same class. Her records were actually closed…..can’t remember how they got them open.
Open adoption is great if the birth mother and adoptive parents agree.
Planned Parenthood are predators. They fight to remove parental oversight/consent and use teenwire to lure these minors in. If that were my daughter and I was not informed first the grim reaper would pay a visit.
I, myself had an abortion in 2002 (which I shamefully and painfully regret everyday). I was sent home from Planned Parenthood with a Plan B pill packet. I was never counseled in ANY way about preventing future pregnancies.
Posted by: Jocelyn at October 25, 2008 10:00 AM
This is confusing. Did you have a surgical abortion, or did you take emergency contraception? Plan B is emergency contraception.
I’ve heard of PP sending girls or women home with birth control following abortions. They probably assumed that Jocelyn would have an OOOPS moment in the future and gave her Plan B “just in case”.
Truthseeker: I agree, though the grim reaper part is a little crazy…..
Lizzy: though the grim reaper part is a little crazy
Uh, yeah…..
Takes all kinds, I guess.
I am sure truthseeker wasn’t speaking LITERALLY.
I am sure truthseeker wasn’t speaking LITERALLY.
Liz, don’t think it much matters.
Liz, I have prepared my daughters for the real world to the best of my abilities; but if a predator like PP were to mutilate my minor daughter the grim reaper would lierally pay a visit. PP fights to strip away parental oversight and involvement so they can mutilate our minorc children and shred our grandchildren. IMO any decent father would exact swift justice.
Doug, it wouldn’t matter to you, but you have to be off your rocker if you think it wouldn’t mnatter to those responsible.
Above post is a glaring example of how much we need reasonable restrictions on abortion, especially related to minors. FOCA would be a disaster. Without the government restricting PP from and mutilating minors without parental consent, there will surely be more death and destruction then just the baby, cause PP has no fear and they don’t plan on backing off and I can guarantee you that a father like me would put that healthy fear back into them if they put my minor daughter on a gurnee and tore her baby from her womb.
truthseeker: glad to see that you love your daughter enough to care about her very much.
Doug, it wouldn’t matter to you, but you have to be off your rocker if you think it wouldn’t mnatter to those responsible.
TS, yes it would matter to me. I’d want the best thing for my daughter, had I one, and that could be having an abortion or not having an abortion – it’d depend on the situation.
I wouldn’t presume to pre-judge things, as you do.
I wouldn’t presume to pre-judge things, as you do.
Posted by: Doug at October 26, 2008 9:51 A.M.
Enoough said then Doug. I would bad for your minor daugter to if she was put through such a traumatic experience by a stranger and they didn;t even inform you of it. But it is your job as a parent to do something about it, not mine. I will say thougnh that your apathy on this puts the rest of us fathers at a disadvantage because they are able to pass laws restruicting our oversight. That leaves the fathers who do care without legal recourse which exascerbates an already volatile situation by leaving us in the positiuon where our only recourse is to take action ourselves to protect our children.
It would bad for your minor daugter to if she was put through such a traumatic experience by a stranger and they didn’t even inform you of it.
Truthseeker, we don’t know – this is a hypothetical. Whether I knew I or not – it could be the best thing. Not saying it necessarily would be, but it could be.
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But it is your job as a parent to do something about it, not mine. I will say though that your apathy on this puts the rest of us fathers at a disadvantage because they are able to pass laws restruicting our oversight.
The deal with judicial bypass is to give a mechanism where abusive parents, a very small minority, will not have exclusive power over there kids, when that power is not in the kids’ best interest.
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That leaves the fathers who do care without legal recourse which exascerbates an already volatile situation by leaving us in the positiuon where our only recourse is to take action ourselves to protect our children.
It’s not a factor unless a judge sees fit. In your case I do not think it would affect anything. Parental notification was upheld by the Supreme Court, I think.
Doug,
The deal with judicial bypass is to give a mechanism where abusive parents, a very small minority, will not have exclusive power over there kids, when that power is not in the kids’ best interest.
I wouldn’t call it “POWER”. It’s parental authority. Think about this – judicial bypass does not give the so-called “abusive parent” a right to defend them self when accused.
What about the girl who fabricates a story for the judge? The law is certainly not in the parents’ favor in that case. But who is responsible for a minor child? The parent…
Parental notification was upheld by the Supreme Court, I think.
As you know, the Supreme Court doesn’t always get it right., right?
It’s not a factor unless a judge sees fit. In your case I do not think it would affect anything. Parental notification was upheld by the Supreme Court, I think.
Posted by: Doug at October 26, 2008 12:20 PM
Then why do the liberals and Planned Parenthood fight against it. The Parental Notifiction of Abortion Act of 1995 passed the Illinois Assembly. Here is text from the law:
Sec. 5. Legislative findings and purpose. The General Assembly finds that notification of a family member as defined in this Act is in the best interest of an unemancipated minor, and the General Assembly’s purpose in enacting this parental notice law is to further and protect the best interests of an unemancipated minor. The medical, emotional, and psychological consequences of abortion are sometimes serious and long lasting, and immature minors often lack the ability to make fully informed choices that consider both the immediate and long?range consequences. Parental consultation is usually in the best interest of the minor and is desirable since the capacity to become pregnant and the capacity for mature judgment concerning the wisdom of an abortion are not necessarily related.
This has been held up and enforceable for thirteen years now in Obama’s State of Illinois. First it was held up by Attorney General Lisa Madigan. Then it was held up by a Circuit Court judge because there was no judicial bypass. Then Lisa Madigan held it up again by refusing to give it back to the Illinois General Assembly to be revised. Just last year she finall gave it back to them and they immediately revised it and sent it back to the judge. Then the judge said he would not allow enforcement because Illinois doesn’t have judges serving that are capable of hear these types of cases. That is thirteen years now since Illinois passed a Parental Notification Law and it is still
unenforceable. Your messiah, the wizard of Uhzz; Democratic Attorney General Lisa Madigan; the dishonorable liberal activist Judge David Coar and their friends at Planned Parenthood are turning the justice system into a farce. They should all be held accountable for this injustice.
Should have read:
This has been held up and UNenforceable for thirteen years now in Obama’s State of Illinois.
“The deal with judicial bypass is to give a mechanism where abusive parents, a very small minority, will not have exclusive power over there kids, when that power is not in the kids’ best interest.”
I wouldn’t call it “POWER”. It’s parental authority. Think about this – judicial bypass does not give the so-called “abusive parent” a right to defend them self when accused.
Janet, I don’t know that that’s true. If the girl’s father is also who got her pregnant, for example, then that kind of thing can be determined.
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What about the girl who fabricates a story for the judge? The law is certainly not in the parents’ favor in that case. But who is responsible for a minor child? The parent…
It’s then up to the judge to determine the credibility of the girl.
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“Parental notification was upheld by the Supreme Court, I think.”
As you know, the Supreme Court doesn’t always get it right., right?
I’d think you would be for it.
“It’s not a factor unless a judge sees fit. In your case I do not think it would affect anything. Parental notification was upheld by the Supreme Court, I think.”
Then why do the liberals and Planned Parenthood fight against it.
TS, likely because there are attempts to curtail abortion rights stuck in with it. The PA version was upheld.
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The Parental Notifiction of Abortion Act of 1995 passed the Illinois Assembly. Here is text from the law:
Sec. 5. Legislative findings and purpose. The General Assembly finds that notification of a family member as defined in this Act is in the best interest of an unemancipated minor.
Not sure, but I think a judge could declare the minor emancipated, at least in this regard, and that would constitute judicial bypass. I don’t know what all the law says, and to what extent the objections are on what subjects.
LizfromNebraska, you wrote: “I’ve never heard of anyone having tonsils out developing sespis or another related dangerous side effect from Abortion.”
Actually you’re more likely to get infected from a tonsillectomy than an abortion. The bacteria in your mouth are more dangerous than the ones in your vagina and uterus, and in the vagina and uterus everything flows in the out direction. Every tonsillectomy cuts the patient but few abortions do.
Regarding parental consent, maybe someone can explain this to me. If I’m gonna be able to veto my daughter’s abortion, why shouldn’t I also be able to veto her keeping the pregnancy and giving birth, which is much more dangerous for her? Force her to have an abortion for her own good? Either her genitals belong to her or they belong to me. If there’s gonna be parental consent it should work both ways. I mean, shouldn’t it???
Truthsetfree,
You completely misunderstand these laws. They are “notification” laws. They only require parental notification of abortion not parental consent. Does that clear up your question?
Truthseeker, some states have parental notification laws, and others have parental consent laws.
The parental-notification requirement on the ballot in California is actually a combined parental-notification AND FORTY-EIGHT-HOUR WAITING PERIOD requirement.
Truthsetfree-
I have known COUNTLESS women in my lifetime who were forced into unwanted abortions as teens by their parents. My mother was one. It has been happening that way forever and will always continue to. That’s why we work so hard to change hearts and minds about abortion as a whole, it may not be your unplanned pregnancy you have to deal with. It could be your daughter, niece, granddaughter, etc. Your daughter’s “vagina” doesn’t “belong” to you. But as a child, does not have the maturity to decide whether or not to have a SURGICAL PROCEDURE, with risks of complications of ANY medical surgical procedure. That’s why parents make these choices for their children.
But because it’s an elective procedure, I don’t think parents should force it upon their child, but they will. They always have.
Truthseeker, some states have parental notification laws, and others have parental consent laws.
Understood TSF; i guess I was looking at it in relation to the Parental Notification Act I had posted about October 26, 2008 2:24 PM