(Prolifer)ations 6-5-08
by JivinJ
Miss Percival said: “Deciding to terminate at eight weeks was just utterly horrible but I couldn’t cope with the anguish of losing another baby.
“I couldn’t believe it when the doctor said I was still pregnant, this was the baby I thought I’d terminated…..
“He may need an operation but as only one of his kidneys is affected he can survive. I still struggle to believe just what he has fought through. Now he’s here I wouldn’t change it for the world.”…
Then there’s Mr. Obama’s aforementioned opposition to laws that protect babies born-alive during botched abortions. If partial-birth abortion is, as Democratic icon Daniel Patrick Moynihan labeled it, “too close to infanticide,” then what is killing fully-birthed babies?…
In The Audacity of Hope, Mr. Obama denounces abortion absolutism on both ends of the ideological spectrum. That is audacious indeed considering Obama’s record, which epitomizes the very radicalism and extremism he denounces.
Adult stem cells have been injected into patients’ backs and joints to promote tissue growth, but it’s the first time stem cells have been injected during a spinal surgery, he said.
The bone marrow cells used in Tuesday’s procedure were harvested from the middle-aged male patient then brought to the laboratory where millions more were grown over three weeks using the patient’s blood, Centeno said.
Tens of millions of the cells were then injected into the man’s back during a discectomy, a surgery to remove a herniated or bulging intervertebral disk.
Unfortunately, the reporter, Julie Poppen, erroneously claims towards the end of the article that “President George W. Bush banned the use of embryonic stem cells in medical research in 2001 due to moral concerns.”
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Audacity of Death. I like to see some in the media dealing honestly with this hypocrite.
Jill, you forgot to post the Michelle Obama “I hate whitey” video. An oversight I am sure.
Until Obama can provide a decent defense (or admit they were mistakes) of his inexcusable votes on IL’s attempt to protect children who survive abortions, posts like this and editorials like this are going to continue to present themselves.
Not that it matters. Voters don’t care about abortion right now; they care about fixing the economy, making health care affordable, and getting out of Iraq. Bush is the most unpopular president in history, the GOP brand is in the toilet, and no amount of pathetic hand-wringing about abortion will change that.
reality, you are out-of-touch. You fail to understand, it is not the abortiuon issue that will keep him from getting elected (though) his postion is so much to the fringe it should), but his character, and character does still matter to the American people. Does it bother you that Obama is a hypocritical liar? Obama’s spiritual mentor of twenty years that meant so much to him ended up disowning him. So now Obama says he had no idea what Jeremiah Wright’s values were. Do you really believe that or is it that you just don’t mind having a pathological liar bred in the sesspool of Chicago pay-as-you go politics in charge of the country? The last two Illinois governers were both put in jail. Practically all of Chicago Mayor Richard Daley’s chief staff were convicted and sent to jail for bribery in the hired truck scandal. Do you think America really won’t care?
Obama is an glorious example of a Chicago-bred empty suit liar and a product of the most corrupt political organizations in the US.
And as far as Iraq goes, did you see that the United Arab Emirates is naming a new ambassador to Iraq and Saudi Arabia is expected to follow suit soon. Wow, so Iraq will be a place where Sunni and Shia will work together in a Democratic political syttem. And it is because we finally followed the policy that McCain had been suggesting to Bush for years.
Sadly you are correct that most people do not care enough about abortion. Abortion is a slap in the face to righteousness and goes completely against the high-ideals and hope that America stands for as a country. But enough people will come to understand that Obama is is a pathological liar and they do care about that. He has “amnesia” about his 20 year metor Rev. Wright. He has “amnesia” about the money he made on a sweet below market price land deal with just convicted Chicago pay-as-you-go icon Tony Rezko. He has “anmnesia” about his 20 year relationship with his good friend and fundraiser William Ayers who told the NY Times in Seprember of 2001 “I don’t regret setting bombs”. I feel we didn’t do enough.” The list goes on and on. His 20 year spiritual mentor is going back to the church that he just kicked Obama’s ass right out of.
I’m Watching and waiting for Obama to say he really didn’t understand Jesus for the past twenty years either.
Oh, I forgot to mention that in all reality if Obama were in charge last year then he would have pulled out of Iraq and then Iraq would have exploded into a Sunni-Shia civil war and the world would have blamed us for all the global instability we caused. And the chances for peace may have been lost for the foreseeable future.
“I’m Watching and waiting for Obama to say he really didn’t understand Jesus for the past twenty years either. ”
That should be a quote of the day.
The Wall Street Journal? There is actually a major media outlet in New York that would discuss that subject honestly? Oh my, I think I’m going to faint…
Ooops….. the WSJ story got pulled.. I feel better now.
Doyle, if you’re speaking of the WSJ Obama editorial, it’s still there.
Hal and Doug,
I’ve been reading CSLewis again and it’s got me thinking…
I have asked you both if you believe in God and you have answered no. I have asked what happens when we die, and you have said “nothing”…
You have also both made comments about our “imagined” deity and implied that He is all in our heads.
Lewis was talking about how Christians (and others) try to “describe” God and of course fail. We talk about Him being the son and this conjures up images of two human beings, one older, one younger. Or of being seated at the right hand of the father, and this conjures up images of a golden throne. Or of being all seeing all knowing and we imagine something like the “eye” on the dollar bill.
Now obviously, none of these images is correct. But as humans we can’t help BUT create an image to go along with almost anything we think about. Our imperfect images however, do nothing to negate the reality of a supreme being.
Let’s look at color. When we ask you what God is, you say he doesn’t exist. He is nothing.
When you ask me what God is, I say everything.
I’d be willing to bet that when you say “nothing” and image of blackness appears in your minds eye.
When I say everything, I start out with particulars but eventually it becomes way too much and way too big and I end up picturing endless light/white.
When dealing with color, black is the absence of color. White is ALL colors, blended together, so overwhelming that they become “pure”…
So for the sake of argument, it could be said that both of us have a “picture” of what God is in our minds.
Yours being the “lack” of anything, and mine being a blending of everything.
Now I ask you you…
Why is this image
any more ridiculous than this image?
MK – Did you read my post Adam Hamiton’s Color Theory?
Same themes.
When we ask you what God is, you say he doesn’t exist. He is nothing.
MK, no, those are your words, not mine. I don’t say that no such supernatural entities exist.
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When you ask me what God is, I say everything.
I have no problem with that. Considering it as the “all” isn’t “bad” to me, and if we go with the notion of a creator then it’d follow along.
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I’d be willing to bet that when you say “nothing” and image of blackness appears in your minds eye.
No, really it’s just the idea of existence or non-existence.
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When I say everything, I start out with particulars but eventuallyit becomes way too much and way too big and I end up picturing endlesslight/white.
When dealing with color, black is the absence of color. White is ALLcolors, blended together, so overwhelming that they become “pure”…
So for the sake of argument, it could be said that both of us have a “picture” of what God is in our minds.
You’re an idealist, but you’re not correct about me, here.
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Yours being the “lack” of anything, and mine being a blending of everything. Now I ask you you… Why is this image any more ridiculous..”
MK, I don’t think either are “ridiculous.” Last weekend I was talking to me dad and step-mom, and there was a kick-ass male Baltimore oriole in the top of a tree, against a blue sky. Awesome. Seems to be a part of human nature to enjoy seeing color.
Doug,
If you DO believe in a supernatural power, which you have consistently insinuated that you do NOT, then how do you see Him/it? What do you imagine when you conjure this “idea” up in your mind?
Chris,
No I hadn’t read that, but yes, that is what I mean. Except he took it a step further. I was more focusing on the fact that no matter what you believe or don’t believe, a mental image will usually accompany it.
And the image of a man in a white beard is no more silly than an empty dark closet. Both are products of the imagination and really have no impact on the reality.
Jill,
Yes, I just lost track of the WSJ story for a “senior moment”…. ;)
BTW, have you seen the website for the new American Right to Life organization that Brian Rohrbough et al have launched? http://americanrtl.org/
I love their emphasis on personhood for the unborn.
MK, I don’t think either are “ridiculous.” Last weekend I was talking to me dad and step-mom, and there was a kick-ass male Baltimore oriole in the top of a tree, against a blue sky. Awesome. Seems to be a part of human nature to enjoy seeing color.
Posted by: Doug at June 6, 2008 9:10 AM
Doug, God created that beautiful oriole to help you believe in Him. I saw my first one ever a few weeks ago, pretty cool!
MK, I don’t think there is a sentience, a conscious will, as far as a God, but that is not stating there is no such thing.
MK, I wonder if I would feel better or worse if you realized there was no God. Probably worse. I wonder why that is. I think you’d be sad to lose that “relationship,” that particular understanding and world-view. If you find strength and goodness and peace in your beliefs, I don’t need for you to lose that. Now I sound condescending, and I don’t mean that either. I guess I’ll just go back to lurking.
MK, I wonder if I would feel better or worse if you realized there was no God. Probably worse. I wonder why that is. I think you’d be sad to lose that “relationship,” that particular understanding and world-view. If you find strength and goodness and peace in your beliefs, I don’t need for you to lose that. Now I sound condescending, and I don’t mean that either. I guess I’ll just go back to lurking.
Posted by: Hal at June 6, 2008 12:48 PM
I know you didn’t direct that comment to me, but I have to tell you that was a very kind thing to say, IMO. And not condescending at all. Peace to you. : )
Hal,
I agree with Janet. That was sweet.
I was just trying to make the point tho, that both of the things we believe, me in my God, you in your lack of one, are equally ridiculous.
When you picture this nonGod, what image do you conjure up?
Doug,
Fair enough. But you aren’t really addressing what I’m asking.
When you think about this nonsentient, lacking a conscious will God, what image do you think of? What picture pops into your head?
And if you believe that “some” power exists, then what is the point of it? If it isn’t sentient, what is it? Why have it at all?
When you picture this nonGod, what image do you conjure up?
Posted by: mk at June 6, 2008 2:25 PM
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Seriously, though, I don’t have an image.
When you think about this nonsentient, lacking a conscious will God, what image do you think of? What picture pops into your head?
MK, I don’t know what such an entity would look like, thus I don’t “see” it, I don’t think of it that way. Perhaps the entire universe is the being? If so, it’d be everything I know, in line with your “everything.”
And if you believe that “some” power exists, then what is the point of it? If it isn’t sentient, what is it? Why have it at all?
The point of it, if any, could well be beyond our understanding. I don’t know that there is any such thing, just can’t rule it out, of course.
Although, Tim Conway and Harvey Korman are pretty high up.
Duh.
:: looking in crystal ball ::
I’d say we’re due for another blip up in gasoline prices now.
I get it! From the movie Dogma, right? And you’ve been deemed “Dogma Doug” so it’s funny on many levels :)
Bobby, I figured that she would bring yllas out from Hallowe’en-Land but it manifested on another thread.
MK,
You are so deep and philosophical sometimes! I must go ponder these things you speak of. :)
E,
lol.
Don’t give yourself a headache. I did.
This baby that was “aborted at eight weekes but somehow survived. What a miraculous story. I’d say we can be pretty certain that this baby wil grow up a staunch pro-lifer.
LOLZ @ Doug for the “Dogma” reference.
That movie craaaacks me up. I lurve Alan Rickman…
Ha! Rae, no doubt, and in fact Alan Rickman would make a good, sarcastic god.
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Jill and I have discussed this, and we have decided that from now on anyone posted as anonymous will be removed.
We are trying to make commenting easier for everyone.
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Thanks for understanding…
MK
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MK,11:19:
I totally understand.
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