National abortion funding group out of money
The National Network of Abortion Funds bills itself as a “network of over 100 grassroots groups that raise money to directly help women cover the cost of abortion.” So last night when it tweeted…
… my ears perked up. Sure enough (click to enlarge)…
So due to a shortage of donations, Hersey is confining itself to helping cover up underage rape and incest via minor abortions and eugenic abortions of handicapped or ill babies, which make up the bulk of late-term abortions. According to Hersey’s hierarchy of needs, these are the most critical kills to fund.
Jan.25, 2010 11:44 am |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Since I live near the Twin Cities my best guess is because the Positive Alternatives Program is so successful the pipeline is drying up!!! YAY!
http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/cfh/paa/
That’s wonderful, Carla!
And yet, people on the pro life side are as generous as possible assisting low income women so they can KEEP THEIR babies by donating funds for rent, fixing a car, etc……
When will they realize they should provide $ for pregnancy assistance and not for murder?
(Halftime on my birthday shopping spree; eating a sandwich and taking a break (plus, my dad needs to eat lunch and take a nap at my parents’ house).
Thanks for the birthday wishes on that other topic.
Liz,
Happy, Happy, Happy Birthday!
These people apparently do not mind having the deaths of hundreds of children on their consciences.
Happy Birthday Liz!
And Happy Belated Birthday to Xalisae!
Thanks for posting, Jill. I just made a large donation to Hersey in your honor.
Jill, thank you for making people aware of economic impact on donations to our abortion fund. We have already begun receiving donations to the fund in your honor.
Jill, thank you for making people aware of the economic impact on donations to our abortion fund. We have already begun receiving donations to the fund in your honor.
Thanks for the information! My donation to them is now on its way!
Who says that you don’t occasionally provide some public service, Jill?
Nikki, I wonder how many lives (both born and unborn) would be saved if these donations to the abortion fund went to Haiti instead. I’ll be sure to remember this the next time I hear an abortion supporter claim that they’re the “real pro-lifers.”
Jill, sounds like you are a celebrity to the pro-aborts! Good for you!
For those interested in donating, there are seven pregnancy help medical centers and one non-medical pregnancy counseling center serving the Twin Cities.
http://pregnancycenters.org/advantage.asp?transaction=search&template=map_search&radius=300&address=&city=Minneapolis&stateProvince=MN&postalCode=&country=&searchQuantifier=AND&submit=Find+Location
Make that two counseling centers, my bad.
Kelsey, women in Haiti sometimes need abortions, too.
I’ve made a donation to the Red Cross for Haiti, and will follow up with a donation to Lutheran World Relief. But thank you for bringing the Hershey fund to my attention, I will make sure to donate to them as well.
The vast majority of abortions are not “needed” by anyone. They are caused by economic hardship rather than medical need. Pregnancy centers address the underlying social problems that cause women to seek an abortion; abortion funds merely cover them up.
Hey all,
Regarding Haiti donations – there are many reputable, smaller charities that could use your help. Please keep them in mind.
Good. Serves them right. And the had better keep MY TAX DOLLARS OUT OF THEIR CHOICES!
Who do you recommend, Janet? I gave to the Red Cross (original, I know).
Liz, Happy B-day!
Thanks for the publicity, Jill. In a down economy, more women need the help that abortion funds provide at the very same time that donors have less to give. But this is a great reminder for me to start 2010 out with a large donation to the National Network of Abortion Funds:
Yeah, good old Planned Barrenhood went around and offered free abortions for the 911 survivors. Also to the Hurricaine Katrina victims. Why not actually HELP people???!!! Giving a woman a dead baby isn’t HELPING her at all!! What about her psyche?….Listen, abortion doesn’t mean you’re not a mother. Abortion just makes you the mother of a dead baby!
Your donations won’t amount to much for Hersey. Nice try. :P
Keep telling yourself you are “helping” women by killing their children through abortion though.
These people apparently do not mind having the deaths of hundreds of children on their consciences.
Posted by: Joe at January 25, 2010 11:59 AM
They figure most of these women will be minorities, so they figure they are just doing their part. Remember how well received the donation to PP was when the guy specifically told the PP clinic director that he wanted his donation to kill a black baby.
Stacy,
If you’re so “concerned” about women in difficult circumstances, how about a large donation to a reputable charity, domestic violence shelter, or mother and infant shelter?
If you donate to this fund you will be responsible for the killing of your fellow human beings. This will make you a criminal.
Only someone with a very underdeveloped conscience would be willing to do this. If you have an ounce of human decency you won’t give money for child killing.
Something is a little fishy here. Where did all these PA “readers” of Jill’s blog suddenly materialize from? I don’t recall ever seeing these names and I have to wonder exactly how they just happened to know of and read this particular thread?
Well, Nikki, Stacy, MNO, Criss, and Wendy, perhaps you can explain this amazing coincidence.
Twitter, Mary. They all Twitter. So does Jill. :)
Hi Carla,
I can understand that but why does anything Jill says suddenly concern them? Just seems a little strange we’ve never heard or seen this bunch and they suddenly take an interest in something Jill says?
Maybe they’re being told by another blog or twittering among themselves to send comments here?
I wouldn’t think Jill is the only one with this info.
“Who do you recommend, Janet? I gave to the Red Cross (original, I know).”
Posted by: Kelsey at January 25, 2010 12:49 PM
There are many good ones, see Jill’s post where there are many commenters’ suggestions.
https://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2010/01/haiti_earthquak.html
Here is one I’d recommend: HandsTogether.org
(You can read their account of the earthquake.)
Donations to:
Hands Together
P.O. Box 80985
Springfield, MA 01138
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j6XYmLYT4s
Thanks for asking.
Jill is a troublemaker. :)
These pro-aborts on here need a good dose of reality! Read the story of baby shanice. Oh! You pro-aborts don’t think that happened. Right? I guess you all think taking a live baby, and throwing it into a biohasard bag is OK? Well, Its not! RJ
Hi Carla, 2:57PM
Yes she can definitely stir things up :)
Still seems a little strange to me though.
Whoah! I didn’t think we’d have so many pro-aborts reaing Jill’s site !!! Awesome!
If they’d rather donate $$ to kill people than help…well, that’s their CHOICE, right?
In this economy, we must make every penny count, right?
Unfortunately, whatever we do in this life will have consequences in the after-life…be it positive or negative depends on each one’s CHOICE.
“Maybe they’re being told by another blog or twittering among themselves to send comments here?”
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Thats probably what’s happening, Mary.
Have no fear!! The PA’s have no logical argument to stand on to defend their position of abortion without apology!!
If abortion did not end the life of a growing, unborn human child I would have no problem with it!!
Wow… snark-o-rama from the Culture of Death! “Thanks for the publicity! You’ve motivated me to donate so that more poor girls can be torn to shreds (without the benefit of “choice”) in their mothers’ wombs.”
(And I suppose their donations had been going to Fr. Pavone’s Priests for Life until that point, until Jill’s article alerted them to a compelling abortion-promoting cause? Deception comes easily to mouths that promote death.)
Insanity has rarely been so easy to see as in the pro-death crowd, of late.
Paladin,
I haven’t thanked you in awhile for your posts. THANK YOU!
I clicked on your blog and realized that you are in my state! Cool.
“Well, Nikki, Stacy, MNO, Criss, and Wendy, perhaps you can explain this amazing coincidence.”
Of course we heard about this because someone told us about Jill’s post. Perhaps those who abhor abortion might be willing to contribute a little to the pregnancy prevention efforts that many organizations undertake. Show us that you are concerned with stopping abortion by doing what actually prevents unwanted pregnancies.
When you remember who spent mint where, remember that focus on the family spend 3 mil on 30 seconds . How many pregnant women could they have helped?
Hi MNO,
Exactly what I thought had happened. BTW, there are approximately 3,000 crisis pregnancy centers staffed by PL people and dependent on PL donations of time, money and materiel. Such services as medical referral, clothing, shelter, legal referrals, etc. are offered. Sometimes its just the care and support of another person. I’ve been involved with these centers myself.
I’d be curious how many such centers are run by PA people?
Also, if these places you refer to are so effective in curbing unwanted pregnancy, why is this still a problem? Oh yes, I know, the problem would be so much worse without their efforts. Can’t solve the problem, can only keep it from getting worse. Always the favorite response to failure.
HI MNO,
I prefer to give to my local pregnancy care center. We offer free pregnancy tests, free ultrasounds, adoption counseling, cribs, diapers, formula, strollers, education, a place to live, help finding a job………….the list goes on. All For Free!! That is called HELPING WOMEN!
All you have to offer a woman is a forced dilation of her cervix and her baby chopped into pieces and suctioned out of her womb.
Anon @ 4:05PM wrote:
When you remember who spent mint where, remember that focus on the family spend 3 mil on 30 seconds . How many pregnant women could they have helped?
We’ll find out, I suppose, how many pregnant women are spared the lifelong wound of having their child ripped to death, after hearing the 30-second spot, yes?
(Care to snark about how much money PP uses in its advertisements, Barack Obama used in his election campaign, and the like?)
P.S. Carla, fellow-cheese-head: salute! :) And thank you for your comments and witness!
Carla 4:17PM
…..and then send her back home to problems such as poverty, abuse, lack of education, and unemployment all the while thinking gee, we really made her life better.
Well Mary,
after an abortion you are supposed to just “get on with your life!!” My goodness we know how well that works out don’t we??
Sorry Paladin. Although I live in Wisconsin I claim no cheese headedness, nor Packer mania. I’ll probably get kicked out of the state for that.
:) We’re more alike than I thought; I’m allergic to dairy products, and I don’t have a TV (and couldn’t care less about professional sports). I expect my extradition to Pago Pago, any time now…
(Whoops… sorry about the repeat; the blog “froze” for a moment, and gave me a weird error. *gasp!* I knew it! The Pago Pago police have found me out, sooner than I thought, and are cutting my computer connect… ***)
A couple of corrections: first of all, the Hersey Fund is not “out of money.” They are still funding women every day, thank goodness. In fact, with the generosity of several readers who ran across Jill’s post, they were able to fund a woman today.
Second, several commenters bring up Haiti. I’ve personally given to Partners in Health since the earthquake and plan to continue helping with recovery efforts, and I would warrant that anyone moved to help women through an abortion fund is also moved to help people in Haiti. It’s not either/or.
Stacey,
Does Partners in Health offer condoms or abortions to people that need food, water, medical attention and shelter?
http://www.compassioninternational.org
http://www.FMSC.org
:)
Oh,
and will you also be there for that woman you “helped” in 10 years when the denial of killing her child will result in depression, alcoholism, drug addiction, infertility, suicidal thoughts, and a suicide attempt?
How will you help her then, Stacey? Can she call you? Did you give her your cell phone number? Will you be available or will she have failed the “just get on with your life” part of the abortion??!!
Paladin,
We may not be Wisconsin enough for Wisconsin!! :O
Stacey,
If this woman you “helped” with an abortion is uneducated, did your “help” educate her? Did it provide her with employment, protect her from an abusive husband or boyfriend? Did it feed the other children she may have? Did it help pay her rent or mortgage? Did she seek an abortion more out of fear and desperation than any choice? Was she threatened or intimidated into an abortion she did not want?
Or did your “help” just send her back home to face these problems?
Carla and Mary, do your local crisis pregnancy centers offer any help in preventing unwanted pregnancies? I understand that their purpose is to try to talk women out of having abortions, but what do they do to prevent the woman from landing in exactly the same place later on in life? Do they educate them about contraception?
Because if you really want to stop abortion, stop unwanted pregnancies. How hard is that? How many “PL” groups undertake those efforts? Do you? Does Ms. Stanek?
Carla,
So sorry about your Vikings and Favre. What a crazy game it was. If not Favre, I must say it’s good to see a Purdue grad. – Brees- going to the Super Bowl.
Great comments today. It’s hard to believe people give dollars to an abortion fund for killing babies that aren’t alive. Can’t they care about the born ones?
Oh,
and will you also be there for that woman you “helped” in 10 years when the denial of killing her child will result in depression, alcoholism, drug addiction, infertility, suicidal thoughts, and a suicide attempt?
Carla, women don’t have any negative thoughts about abortion, that’s just anti-choice propaganda, didn’t you know?
MNO,
You’d be surprised the young women I have tried desperately to talk out of becoming pregnant!
Yes you read that right. You folks don’t see the forest for the trees. The issues these young women have are far more complex than the simplistic solutions you folks want to hand out.
I wish it was a simple matter of handing out birth control!
Guess what, many of these girls WANT to be pregnant. Oh sure, they’ll tell you otherwise, but their actions tell a different story.
All too often these girls and young women dwell in a fantasy world, one that comes to an abrupt and brutal end when bills have to be paid and lover boy has taken a hike.
The solution? Well obviously yours hasn’t worked.
Mentoring programs have been highly effective. Our society finally realizing that romanticizing and glamorizing illegitimacy sends a very bad message, as does saturating the airwaves with sex.
Stressing more positive female role models. To maybe name just a few.
Janet,
Poor Vikes.
Phillymiss,
Oh thats right. There are women I help in abortion recovery…I just tell them it’s all in their heads.
MNO,
Abstinence education. Cue rant about “safe sex education.” Yeah. That has worked so well.
1) We PL people know how easily pro-aborts lie…so, I seriously doubt Hersey received even one penny as a result of Jill’s post.
2) Thank GOD I am on the right side of this argument and that our side has people like those that have responded here to all the pro-aborts. You honestly inspire me every day to be a better person and a better pro-lifer. I am honored to be included in your ranks. Keep up the great work!
3) I will pray today for every person that has left a comment here…especially the pro-aborts as they are deeply misguided and obviously people in pain.
May God bless you and keep you all!
Can mods please edit posts with links to killing money funds? I don’t mind them coming around going “nanny-nanny boo-boo!” like adolescents, but let us not actually help them.
Stacey,
If this woman you “helped” with an abortion is uneducated, did your “help” educate her? Did it provide her with employment, protect her from an abusive husband or boyfriend? Did it feed the other children she may have? Did it help pay her rent or mortgage? Did she seek an abortion more out of fear and desperation than any choice? Was she threatened or intimidated into an abortion she did not want?
Or did your “help” just send her back home to face these problems?
Posted by: Mary at January 25, 2010 5:48 PM
Thank you Mary, that’s just what I was going to say. Abortion clinic workers and those who support this fund may be short-sighted and believe they are “helping” women, but they aren’t involved with the woman for any more than 2-6 hours of her life and I have yet to see them actually address coercion/pressure from partners/parents and talk about and address any of the underlying socio-economic and relationship issues in the woman’s life (including examples you gave above) and offer appropriate referrals for government and other private agencies assistance in the community, at their so-called counseling sessions. Did you know that one study found, “64% of American women felt pressured by others. More than half felt rushed or uncertain, yet 67% received no counseling, and 79% were not told about available alternatives?” These women aren’t finding freedom, they’re finding a dead end, where abortion seems the only solution to their pregnancy, but after the abortion, they’re left with the same socio-economic and relatinship issues as before. And that’s one of the reasons why many women go on to have a second or third, or even fourth abortion, when they become pregnant again. If you want to actually reduce the abortion rate, in addition to promoting safer sex, also start looking at the big picture and these women’s lives and realize they need more than a solution to an unplanned pregnancy, but also the tools to build self-esteem and healty relationships and the resources to gain safe housing, clothing, to be able to comlplete their education, affordable daycare, food, transportation, employment, etc.
Source:
VM Rue et. al., “Induced abortion and traumatic stress: A preliminary comparison of American and Russian women,” Medical Science Monitor 10(10): SR5-16 (2004).
Carla, women don’t have any negative thoughts about abortion, that’s just anti-choice propaganda, didn’t you know?
Posted by: Phillymiss at January 25, 2010 5:52 PM
No kidding! Like the invisible or non-existant women making the 300-400 phone calls and 200 e-mails received by Project Rachel each month.” (source, 2002). Or the non-existant women and men at The PASS Site, a well-known neutral peer support site, which has 12 pages (with an estimated 217 stories) and 6,005 more active members on the message board community of men and women who are working through post-abortion issues. Or how about non-existant individuals contributing to the more than 500 calls a month received by the pro-choice post-abortion hotline, “Exhale” (source).
X,
I think the links were mine. :)
MNO,
How do you help a woman who is coming in for her 4th abortion? Does she have to sit through a birth control seminar? Do you just talk slower or is there more repetition? Take…one…pill…a…day. One…pill…a…day.
OR do you practice the banana on the condom together?
Rachel C 6:36PM
And I in turn thank you for an excellent and informative post.
My aunt was forced to have an abortion by my grandmother as a young woman. She drinks. She drinks, and drinks and drinks. She takes pills, and more pills. She had to have a liver transplant. She got one. She still drinks and drinks and drink and abuses prescription medications. She had a miscarriage of a girl when she was young, after the abortion. That was the only girl she ever had. My cousin is buried at the cemetery down the road from my house.
Abortion doesn’t help people. It kills them, and their babies. Maybe not the day of the operation, but it does, eventually.
xalisae,
I’m sorry that happened to your aunt. I wish she had been able to make her own CHOICE, instead of being forced to make someone else’s.
For those of you wondering what happens to those women 10 years after the abortion: my 10-year anniversary was this past November. I am happily married to a wonderful man I never would have met if I had been forced to carry my pregnancy to term. I have not only a bachelor’s but I’m four credit hours away from a Master’s degree, and while the pay is next to nothing I work with underprivileged high school students, helping them achieve their dreams of going to college. Had I carried the pregnancy to term I would have more than likely dropped out of college and would probably still be working an hourly job at a downtown hotel.
You know how I dealt with the feelings of shame I had about my abortion? I talked about it. I told my family what had happened. Turns out the only reason I felt any shame was because people like you all kept telling me I should feel ashamed.
I was not and am not ashamed — I know I did the best thing for me and for that potential child. I wish I hadn’t believed all the things the “pro-life” people say about women who chose to have an abortion; if I had listened to myself instead of them, I could have told my family and had their love and support through that time in my life, instead of feeling I had to hide it from them for five years.
Thank God I found other pro-choice women to talk to, who gave me the confidence and strength I needed to leave that abusive boyfriend and get on with my life.
Criss,
You did the best thing for the “potential child” by ending his/her life?
Dying is fine so long as someone else does it?
The best thing you had to offer your child was death?
Sorry but nobody MAKES you feel ashamed, Criss. It is just there because deep down you know you ended the life of your own child. Surrounding yourself with people that tell you did the best thing you could, you made the right decision, you should be glad you had a choice hardly drowns out the truth.
Carla, you’re right, ashamed is not the right word. I was conflicted, because I felt I should have been ashamed, but I wasn’t. I was ashamed that I didn’t feel ashamed, because people like you told me I was a bad person, but nothing else told me that. God hasn’t made me feel ashamed, and neither has my pastor. Just people like you, who judge me without knowing a thing about me.
Mary, dying is fine no matter who does it. I didn’t terminate the pregnancy to spare my life; there were no medical issues involved. I terminated the pregnancy to keep myself, and that potential child, from a live of poverty and abuse. I’ll take death over that any day.
Criss,
Had you visited a crisis pregancy center you would have found a loving and supportive friend. You would have been referred to a mother’s and infant’s home or battered woman’s shelter if you had reason to fear for your safety. You would have been referred to any legal and medical help you need, lawyers and doctors willing to help you at no cost. You would have been referred to professional counselors if needed. Pregnant women are most certainly able to continue their schooling and do so.
Had you decided to place your child for adoption it could have been arranged and you could have missed a minimal amount of school, returning as soon after the birth as you felt well enough to do so. Women certainly take maternity leave from school and jobs.
There was an alternative to a dead baby Criss.
Criss,
I’m sorry honey but you are as deceived as anyone I’ve ever read.
What does killing your child have to do with staying with your abusive boyfriend? If you didn’t feel you were ready to provide for your child at the time, you could have easily put him or her up for adoption.
And now, because of the lies you believe, your conscience is seared and you have excused yourself for the injustice you executed upon your child.
I know, I know, these words don’t mean anything to you because you believe all those comforting lies that have hardened your heart to the truth.
It’s tragic, because if your heart were soft and you felt the guilt that normally accompanies such an act, you would have hope. It is the hope that can be found in understanding that God loves you, paid the price for your sin and wants to wash you clean, whiter than snow.
It’s sad that you appear quite content to live in your fantasy, that you weren’t a mother, that you didn’t have a child growing in your womb, and that you don’t need forgiveness from the One Who gave you your child to nurture and birth into the world.
I implore you, for your eternal destiny’s sake, don’t leave this world with the blood of your child on your hands. Just because you admit a wrong, doesn’t mean you have to carry a burden of guilt.
That’s why He came.
Criss,
YOU will take death any day over abuse and poverty? You were abused, did you choose to die? Obviously not. I’m so thankful you got out of your abusive situation. This was someone who felt he had the same right to control your life as you seem to think you had the right to control what happened to your child.
Criss, you made this decision for another person, not yourself. Someone who would have valued his/her life as much as you do yours.
Also, your child could well have been adopted by a loving family and never know poverty and the horror of abuse that you endured.
Criss, it sounds to me like you were a woman who truly did not have a choice. Is a woman having an abortion because of the circumstances you describe really being given a choice?
Mary, how can you say I didn’t have a choice? Are you assuming I did not know that I could place the baby for adoption? That I could have carried the pregnancy to term? I knew what my options were, and I didn’t need some fake “crisis pregnancy center” to tell me what the choices were. Planned Parenthood gave me information on government services that would help me financially if I chose to carry the pregnancy to term and keep the baby; they also gave me information about adoption.
I knew all the choices I had. I could have made any of those choices; I made the one that was right for me.
I did not make a choice for another person, I made a choice for a parasite that was part of my body. It does not become another person until it comes out of my body and lives on its own; if I had given a baby up for adoption I would have made a choice for someone else, by forcing that child to be born, then abandoning it.
Ed, I assume you are a male; that “Ed” is short for “Edward” and that your parents followed prescribed gender roles when naming you.
I find it almost humorous that you would dare say I, or any woman could “easily put him or her up for adoption.”
Do you have any idea what you are asking me to do? You are asking me to carry a fetus inside me for nine months, give birth to it, then abandon it in a broken system. I’m sorry, but I could never abandon my child. If that had been my choice, I surely would have committed suicide due to the depression that act would have caused. How could I bring a child into this world then walk away from it? Leave it to rot in an orphanage? No thank you.
Also, Ed, it would help you to read what I’ve written instead of jumping to your ill-informed conclusions. I know God loves me. I am at peace with my decision; I know God is the one who led me to it.
Now, I would love to continue this conversation, but in order for us to have a conversation both parties need to be willing to listen.
I have already been called a liar and a murderer simply because of my political position, and neither moniker is particularly conducive to polite, open debate. The responses I’ve gotten since I told my story are further proof that you are not interested in listening and learning, but in judging and “saving.” I don’t need to be saved (Jesus did that for me, and for you, over 2000 years ago, thanks). You are not willing to listen to my story, to believe it, to learn something from it. You are only interested in spouting your talking points and putting words in my mouth to make my story fit your pre-conceived shemata. Which it won’t do.
So, rather than repeat myself ad nauseum, I shall go in the other room and enjoy the rest of the evening with my husband, now that I’m done catching up on my blogs.
Criss,
If you want to think you made a choice for a “parasite” I’m sure I can’t change your mind. Keep in mind the fact your abuser dehumanized you as well. What better way to justify his abuse.
Concerning “choice” you said you would have wound up in a life of poverty and abuse without your abortion. Hardly sounds like any kind of a choice to me.
On what do you base your assumption a crisis pregnancy center is “fake”? Had you ever set foot in one?
Adoption is hardly abandoning a child, its placing the child in a loving home.
“You are asking me to carry a fetus inside me for nine months, give birth to it, then abandon it in a broken system. I’m sorry, but I could never abandon my child. If that had been my choice, I surely would have committed suicide due to the depression that act would have caused. How could I bring a child into this world then walk away from it? Leave it to rot in an orphanage? No thank you.”
I think you should know that what you are describing is a involuntary relinquishment to the State, not a voluntary infant adoption, which usually contains “openness”. You could have chosen an adoptive family and maintained ongoing contact with them, if you chose. It’s not a “broken system”, nor are there any “orphanages.” It’s very smooth, with caring social workers know what they are doing. I have two children through open adoptions, and have seen it first hand…twice. Also, the adoption agency provides initial counseling (for free) to help women decide if this is the right decision and ongoing counseling (for free) for birthmoms at any point in the rest of their lives if they wish.
Open Adoption was standard practice ten years ago, as it is today. You say Planned Parenthood informed you of your choice of adoption. If Planned Parenthood told you that adoption meant placing your child in an orphanage without birthparent input or contact, or any physical/emotional support for yourself, then they lied.
I just needed to set the record straight on this one. Criss, adoption is not for everyone and is not without pain, but you could have done a wonderful thing for your child and his/her adoptive family if you had considered it. And you could have been a vital part of that child’s life and gotten to know what sort of person he/she would have been. Now, you’ll never know.
Thanks for letting me know about the shortage of funds for Hershey, I just sent a sizeable check! Keep up the great work of letting us know which politicans to vote out of office and which abortion funds to donate!
The question is, if women need these abortions so badly or else they will shove wire hangers into their vaginas and the pro-aborts are so concerned then why don’t the clinics just do the abortions for FREE? Why don’t they just donate their time to doing abortions like pro-lifers donate their time to crisis pregnancy centers ( I worked part-time at a CPC while working a full-time 50 hour a week job) Then no one would be bickering over tax-dollars and abortion and no woman would have to use a wire hanger to shred her genitalia in an attempt to kill her baby. The pro-aborts would be happy too that women were being “helped”!
oh, but thats not what its about is it? An abortionists DONATE his kill skills? NEVER. Then he couldn’t live in a mansion and drive a Ferrari. As former abortion clinic director Carol Everett said, its all about the blood money. You don’t REALLY care about helping women, Stacey, MNO and the rest. Why don’t you offer to help put a single mom through community college, or babysit her kids so she can go to work? Why don’t you offer to buy food for a starving woman? Why don’t you help a woman in an abusive situation? Hypocrites.
PC,
Its Hersey not Hershey. You’re confusing her with a chocolate bar.
Criss,
Not all children given to adoptive parents languish in orphanges. Many are parented by loving couples that either weren’t able to conceive their own children or just have so much love they want to share it with another child.
The way you make it sound, killing your child was your only option.
We have all made mistakes and are all going to be trusting in the Mercy and shed Blood of Our Savior as we approach the Day in which we will give an account of our lives.
What an Awesome God!
I just hate to see you confused about His direction for your life. The Jesus I know would never tell anyone to kill their own child. Why would He tell them to kill the unique person He created and entrusted them with?
He is the Author of Life.
My prayer is that as you continue your journey here on Earth, that your eyes become open to the truth, and that like any other sinner like me, when it comes time to stand before Him…
you are ready.
Tonight you have the liberty of spending the rest of the evening with your husband. I’m sure he’s a great guy and you guys are really happy.
I just want you to be sure your eternity is as nice as the evening you’re spending with your hubby.
Criss wrote:
I’m sorry that happened to your aunt. I wish she had been able to make her own CHOICE, instead of being forced to make someone else’s.
That’s all good and fine to say it, but actions speak louder than words. But what are you and other pro-choicers willing to do to ensure other women don’t get coerced into abortions (because isn’t that what “choice” is all about) because while that may not be your situation, women are being pressured and coerced into abortions by their parents/partner every day. The study I cited above found, “64% of American women felt pressured by others and there are 7,579 posts by members on the Coerced Abortion board at the PASS Support Forums (which is operated by a pro-choice individual I might add). These women and their voices count too, but the pro-choice movement denies these women the right to their voices and to express their experiences and feelings again and again. Acknowledging these women’s experiences doesn’t take away from yours or anyone else’s, but rather empowers these women to have a voice and acknowledges their feelings and experiences are valid too.
…while the pay is next to nothing I work with underprivileged high school students, helping them achieve their dreams of going to college.
Good for you! Then I hope you know about resources such as The Nuturing Network and the various pregnancy and parenting support programs high schools and colleges have to enable women who are mothers to continue and complete their education. Just because pregnancy and parenting wasn’t for you, I’d hope that you wouldn’t transfer those feelings towards the teens you mentor and encourage or pressure any of the girls to abort. Listen, women don’t have to give up motherhood to be sucessful, while the road is hard, there are better resources and support for pregnant and parenting women in both education and careers and there’s no reason why she should have to choose having an abortion or being sucessful when she can be a mother, happy, and sucessful.
You know how I dealt with the feelings of shame I had about my abortion? I talked about it. I told my family what had happened. Turns out the only reason I felt any shame was because people like you all kept telling me I should feel ashamed.
Oh, but you’re wrong, the pro-life movement isn’t alone responsible and to make these women’s personal feelings and experience into a political issue and tell them pro-lifers are fully to blame for their feelings is selfish and irresponsible and does nothing to help these women towards healing or finding peace. Psychologists acknowledge that there are many factors which influence the outcome of the women’s experience, feelings, and beleifs after an abortion, such a the individuals prior convictions and beliefs, an inviduals inner expectations and views of themself, the support systems (or lack thereof) before and after the abortion, if the person received adequit counseling and how much, societal views and expectations, etc.
In addition, Naomi’st true story reveals the barriors of stigma and political rhetoric women face when seeking post-abortion counseling from a pro-choice sources as well. But boy, I guess it’s easier to just make pot-shot rhetoric and slap the blame on the pro-life movement, rather than hold both sides of the debate responsible for creating stigma for post-abortion women or to actually have to acknowledge, explore, and address the underlying causes and provide treatment or counseling to these women.
Thank God I found other pro-choice women to talk to, who gave me the confidence and strength I needed to leave that abusive boyfriend and get on with my life.
And you’d better believe that I myself and many other pro-lifers have helped others in difficult situations and would have helped you to leave the abusive relationship and helped you find a safe place to stay, transportation, etc. You and many other pro-choicers just don’t get it, we care for both the women and her child(ren). Although sometimes pro-life voices screams the loudest for justice for the unborn, there are an increasing number of us silently working behind the scenes to provide resources and support to women and their families.
Mods, please approve my pending comment…it’s a doozy :)
Ok, folks, I’ve got an idea, and I’m serious…how about we do a counter-fund, where everytime a pro-choice troll comes here and makes the claim they donated to the Hersey Fund in honor of Jill or her post, we donate to The Nurturing Network, Heartbeat International/CareNet, Birthright, or another pro-life agency of your choice, which provides real, tangible support and resources to women during pregnancy and parenting and post-abortion counseling. You can either donate through the above linked agencies or through the Purple Envelope Project.
Lessee…Current condition of my aunt vs. myself not withstanding…my unplanned daughter who was born into a life of poverty is actually quite happy now. My aunt’s child is dead.
I’m pretty sure that, no matter what you’ve told yourself to console your seared conscience these 10 years, alive is better than dead. I mean, I could ask my 7 year old daughter if she’d rather have been killed through abortion and thrown away…but I’m pretty sure I have an idea of what her answer will be.
I’m sorry, Criss.
Oh, silly anti-abortion people. Why do you assume that pro-women, pro-choicers have never volunteered to babysit? Or to pay for food (though you shouldn’t be buying formula- give that baby breastmilk!)? Or helping to find some baby clothing? Or offered money to help single moms get through college?
These are your mistakes. You do not have a monopoly on helping. You do not have a monopoly on God. You do not have a monopoly on morals. This will be your downfall.
Oh yes…our downfall is surely coming, even though we practically double our numbers at pro-life marches and rallies every time we have them. The end is near for us!
And sorry if it is just so hard to imagine your side helping people when in the same breath speaking compassion you advocate to kill those individuals who need that help the most.
Oh, silly anti-abortion people. Why do you assume that pro-women, pro-choicers have never volunteered to babysit? Or to pay for food (though you shouldn’t be buying formula- give that baby breastmilk!)? Or helping to find some baby clothing? Or offered money to help single moms get through college?
Oh save your condescending attitude for someone who gives a rats @$$. It’s pretty easy to wonder where and when pro-choicers are advocating or attemptong to help women who choose to carry to term, whether they choose to parent or place for adoption, when a cursery glance at just about any pro-choice blog or website shows “reproductive rights” to be all about birth control and abortion access and all about funding women who are having an abortion, but lo and behold, nothing on funding or helping those who are choosing to carry to term and parent. Perhaps you could enlighten us of a pro-choice organization which offers support, resources, and advocacy for pregnant and parenting women beyond birth, because there are few if any that we know of. So much for “choice,” more like abortion rights.
“Nameless” wrote:
Oh, silly anti-abortion people. Why do you assume that pro-women, pro-choicers have never volunteered to babysit?
(??) Every time I think the pro-death camp can’t surprise me any more, something like this comes up.
Nameless, do you recall ever reading things like this, thrown at pro-life people? “Why do you anti-abortion people care only about the baby, and not about the woman?” Let me volley the question back at you: what makes you (and those of your camp) think that pro-life people don’t offer such services, either? People on your side of the issue rarely have a problem with accusing us of “abandoning the woman and child after the child is born”; it’s not unhelpful for you to get a taste of what it feels like to hear that.
That being said: it’s a good question. Pro-lifers have thousands of crisis pregnancy centers, charitable organizations (Catholic Charities, etc.), local churches, etc., which do more for these women and children in need than you could imagine. What organizations do *you* have, to support the women who “choose life”? It does indeed seem that Planned Partenthood and their ilk lose all interest in helping them, so long as they’ve decided against abortion or contraception…
Yes, I must be a silly anti-choicer and you Nameless still didn’t answer the question. Why don’t the abortion clinics just do the abortions FOR FREE. Staffed entirely by volunteers whose only concern and motive is to “help” women with reproductive choice?
Criss,
I didn’t judge you. I didn’t call you names or tell you what you were supposed to feel. Although post abortive women like myself who kill their own child through abortion tend to feel the weight of that. You have come here to justify your choice to kill. You have done that. Move along. Don’t worry. Be happy.
If you hadn’t been in an abusive relationship I wonder what your 10 year old child would be doing right now.
I don’t know why but I find these comments hilarious, “Oh, Jill thank you so much for telling us which fund to send our money to. Thank you so much for alerting us to all of the women that need “help!” Thank you, Jill!!”
Whatevs. Like you really sent a “sizeable check.” ha
I am glad, PC that you gave to the Hershey chocolate fund to help desperate women get the free chocolate they need from Hershey.
I may have gotten the spelling wrong, but I certainly didn’t get the mailing address wrong. And since you think you’re so funny making fun of me, Carla, I just wrote out another check in your name! In fact, the first check was $250, in Jill’s name, the second check was for $500, in your name. There’s plenty more where that came from. So keep it up, Carla!
LOL
Dear Jill,
I just gave $20 to the Hersey Fund at PCR in honor of your birthday! Below is the link for anyone else who wishes to donate! HAPPY BIRTHDAY JILL!!!
I just gave a MILLION dollars to a pro-life organization in your name pro-choicer, so keep it up!
Who believes you and how old are you? you sound like a brat! My three year old behaves better than you. Grow up.
Hi June,
Just as my links to a Pregnancy Resource Center would no doubt be taken down on a Pro abort blog I will be taking yours down here. This is a prolife blog. I am sure you understand.
(*sigh*)
Pro-choicer, I don’t think you’ve pieced together the absurdity of your claim. Assuming you’re trollishly gleeful enough to cut checks to pro-abortion places merely because you got the idea from this blog (and, with all due respect, I agree–the likelihood seems rather low), I think I’m safe in assuming that none of those “charity dollars” would have gone to a pro-life cause, anyway. And given the fact that you’re “motivated” enough to go trolling on a pro-life website makes me fairly confident that your “charity dollars” wouldn’t have been going to anywhere that was “abortion-neutral” (like the Humane Society).
Translation: “Y’know, your blog post has made me so ornery that I’m going to take the $500 I was going to send to Planned Parenthood International, and send it to that pro-abortion place that sounds like a Chocolate company! And the $250 I was going to send to the Susan G. Komen Foundation (or was it NARAL? Whatever…), and send it to Barack Obama’s “elect pro-abortionists like me” fund! And in your name! So there!!”
And the net loss to the pro-life cause is… what?
Seriously, Jill and others, what do you think of my counter-fund idea?
I find it hard to believe that people could be this gleeful about mocking people who are only trying to keep babies from being killed. Sick and pathetic. Morally bankrupt losers
Criss, glad things are feeling so right for you. A woman I used to work with aborted 10 years ago. She’s a nurse like me. She asked me one evening if we could “talk” and she did not have a clue as to where I stood on the abortion issue! She asked me if I remembered when she’d had her abortion.-[we ran into each other again when she moved back from Texas} My reply was “Yes. I remember you told me about it.” She began uncontrollable wailing and sobbing at that point. She put her face in her hands and told me about nightmares of her dead baby girl. “I can see her, but I can’t touch her.” “Heather, I murdered her.” “I can’t forgive myself.”……Yes. It must be us wicked pro-lifers who made her feel this way. Maybe she had gotten tired of talking to those stale old pro-aborts who kept telling her it was okay. She knew the truth deep down in her own soul. I didn’t need to tell her what she already knew. Yes. Women do regret abortion. so respect that!!!
Criss, the only reason you feel any comfort around the pro-death crowd is because they continue to feed your lie to yourself- “Abortion is not murder” BS. Criss, abortion is murder, and abortionists are murderers. You have a Masters degree? Well, you must be smart, so learn the truth about abortion.
Powerful statements, Heather. So sad.
And Rachel, I think you have a wonderful I idea. Jill, could you put a clickable donation button on the side of your page to help CPCs with paypal donations? Maybe even underneath it the copy/paste html code so other pro-life blogs can easily add it to their page?