3 HPV vaccine deaths reported since March 2007
Medical News Today reported May 24:
Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today released documents obtained from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act, detailing 1,637 reports of adverse reactions to the vaccination for human papillomavirus, Gardasil. Three deaths were related to the vaccine. One physician’s assistant reported that a female patient “died of a blood clot three hours after getting the Gardasil vaccine.” Two other reports, on girls 12 and 19, reported deaths relating to heart problems and/or blood clotting.
As of May 11, 2007, the 1,637 adverse vaccination reactions reported to the FDA via the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System included 371 serious reactions. Of the 42 women who received the vaccine while pregnant, 18 experienced side effects ranging from spontaneous abortion to fetal abnormities….
[M]ore serious side effects reported include paralysis, Bells Palsy, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, and seizures.
“The FDA adverse event reports on the HPV vaccine read like a catalog of horrors,” stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Any state or local government now beset by Merck’s lobbying campaigns to mandate this HPV vaccine for young girls ought to take a look at these adverse health reports. It looks as if an unproven vaccine with dangerous side effects is being pushed as a miracle drug.”
Here are the three original copies of the VAER death reports, obtained from the Judicial Watch website. Click to see larger view:
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Jill,
If we can’t see satan working to kill, steal and destroy the next generation in this post and in yesterday’s post regarding Planned Parenthood, I think we are just in denial.
I also wanted to thank you Jill for the time and effort that you put in on this site. I know you’re not going to get rich from it nor is that your intent. So, thank you, I know my God appreciates His faithful servants.
Midnight,
I responded to your questions this morning on yesterday’s post. Please read it. I hope it blesses you.
SoMG:
Regarding your agreeing with me that churches should pay taxes; My desire is that they pay taxes to escape the tryanny of the state and thereby rediscover the ability to proclaim His word as true oracles of God and that without restraint. I assume that you want them to pay taxes for…..please answer.
Also, I would suggest that Planned Parenthood not only pay taxes but all abortion funding be cut off. They essentailly promote a belief system that in my view is a religion. What would apply to the church should apply to Planned Parenthood as well. Do you work for Planned Parenthood?
Midnight678:
I didn’t want to take the chance of you missing my post to you as I didn’t want you to think I was ignoring you (you are important to me), so here it is:
“Midnight678:
I am sorry I couldn’t get back to you sooner. Last night my daughter graduated from high school. She was selected to say the Pledge of Allegiance to the Christian flag. Later in the evening she received the Christian Character in Life and Leadership Award which was voted on by the staff and faculty of the school. For me, this was the highest award a person could achieve that night. To be honored by those who have known you for 13 years and be recognized for how your life mirrors that of Christ, well, that does it for me. My wife and I couldn’t hold back the tears.
So, please forgive me for not getting back to you. I care about you as well.
The fact that you still struggle with faith is a good thing. That’s the holy Spirit tugging at your heart. God is not called the “hound of heaven” for nothing. He wants nothing more than spend eternity with you.
If we try to “do” faith on our own, we will fail. This is a constant battle for me, to let go, but I am learning. Trusting and faithing is a constant learning process. God is preparing us for eternity.
I agree with MK and Bethany that the key is to trust. And Bethany’s examples were simply excellent. As much as your parents want for you to go back to church, this is not about them. This is between you and the God who loves you more than you can imagine. It’s real, it’s forever, and you can bet your life on it. I believe that the God who started a good work in you will not fail to complete it. He does not fail.
I suggest just getting alone with God, no noise, no one around, and just pour out your heart out to Him. If you’re mad, let Him know. He’s our daddy, our “Abba Father”. You can tell Him anything and he won’t reject you. Then, once you have poured out your heart to Him, just sit back, be quiet, and listen for that still quiet voice. He won’t shout at you, demean you, or criticize you.
Early this morning, I picked up my daughter from an all-night grad party at about 4:30 pm. We had a good talk on the way home. She said Dad, “You know what Mrs. Petrucci said about the Robert Frost poem about the road less traveled, I’m taking that road in college. I want to go a few weeks early and set up a leadership team because I’m really concerned about kids getting away from God.”
When I got home, I tried to go back to sleep, and all I could do was cry in my pillow and say to my Lord, “Thank you Lord, for such a beautiful and wonderul daughter and I said this over, and over, and over again.” This is how God rewards us. This is something that can’t be purchased or bought or acquired, it can only come by being faithful.
Midnight, I don’t know what God has planned for you, however, I know He can be trusted. Whatever is in the future for you, it is more than you can ask or imagine. Let Him in, give Him a chance. Fall in love with Him, you will not regret it.”
HisMan, 9:01a, thank you. I love this blog, this outlet. Your participation is invaluable, btw. Ok, enough of the mutual admiration society. RTW. (return to work)
Any vaccine is going to have risks- people die every year from bad reactions to flu shots and other basic immunizations. There are always risks with anything like this.
I get my last round in a few months and I have so far felt no adverse effects- and it’s worth the risk to prevent cancer. It’s sad that these women died, but it does happen.
HisMan: I often feel that the whole idea that some organizations are “charitable” in nature and ought not to be taxed is outmoded, too easily subject to abuse by organizations with political agendas on both sides.
Erin, were those deaths from 3 back-alley abortions, I think your callousness would quickly turn to empathy.
You said, “it’s worth the risk to prevent cancer.”
Really? You already explained illicit sex was worth killing your own child. Now you say it is worth killing yourself. At least you’re fair.
The HPV vaccine does not prevent cervical cancer. It prevents four strains of over 100 of one STD, two of which cause cervical cancer.
BTW, read up on the HPV vaccine. They’re now thinking that by abating a couple of those strains, the vaccine may open the gateway to others and other forms of cancer.
Jill-
the doctor that I have been going to since I was about 5 years old said that it was a good idea to get. So did my GP. Sorry, I’m going to go with the medical advice of the people who have had my life in their hands before :-/
And Jill, I’m not being callous. I’m stating a fact. Of course I think that it’s sad that these women died from the HPV vaccine. But again, any standard medical procedure has risks. People die from wisdom tooth removal, abortion legal or illegal, having their tonsils removed, having liposuction…everything has a little risk. Like I said, the flu shot kills a few people every year. Do you get a flu shot? I do. I risk a bad reaction to the flu shot or even that slightest, smallest possibility of death in order to make sure that I don’t get ridiculously sick and have to miss a week of classes because I’m hurling every ten minutes. There is always risk.
Jill said: “The HPV vaccine does not prevent cervical cancer. It prevents four strains of over 100 of one STD, two of which cause cervical cancer.”
Perhaps you should read up yourself. And I thought you were so well informed about HPV. While there are in fact over 100 strains of HPV, not all of those are sexually transmitted. Different strains of HPV live on different parts of the body. (Which is why people get warts on their hands, feet, etc) There are just over 30 strains of genital HPV, 10 of which can possibly cause cancer. The most worrisome strains (16 and 18), known as “high risk HPV”, are those that are most likely to cause cervical cancer if infection is persistent (many infections are fought off by the body in a few years). As far as I know, the vaccine is effective against 16 and 18. Of course, because there are 10 other strains that may lead to cervical cancers, the vaccine is not completely effective. But 70% prevention still sounds pretty good to me. Unfortunately, I’m not a candidate for the vaccine. :(
http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/default.htm
I’d love to see any information you have about the possibility that the vaccine might cause mutations of other strains. I always worry about these sorts of things (like resistent strains of bacteria). Do you have a cite?
I am personally not planning on getting the Gardasil vaccine because I don’t think it’s worth the money nor do I think it’s been researched long enough. Besides, everything gives you cancer. Statistically, if you live long enough, everybody gets cancer at some point in their lives, life is a *cough* terminal condition. Cancer happens, which is unfortunate but we just have to remember our DNA isn’t perfect. :)
Sorry, that should be “8 other strains that may lead to cervical cancer”
“Besides, everything gives you cancer. Statistically, if you live long enough, everybody gets cancer at some point in their lives, life is a *cough* terminal condition.”
lol, Rae. Indeed. And I can’t help but giggle sometimes when the newscasters come out reporting, with long faces and admonitions, some new study that shows that sacchrine causes cancer, no it’s coffee, no it’s nutrasweet, no it’s… Wake up people! It’s the “frail human condition”!
YES! Wake up people!! The crap food that we eat and the stupid things that we expose our bodies to is what is killing us. If cancer doesn’t kill you, chances are really good that you will die from the chemo and radiation that you are exposed to. Visit http://www.healthquarters.org for great info on many diseases! Astounding stats on the hpv vaccine! I find it interesting how many children get these diseases when they have been immunized! How about the children who haven’t been immunized? Hmmm. Erin I would suggest you ask your doc. if he has given the vaccine to his daughter? Many doctors know the risks of immunizations and don’t give them to their children. Many parents don’t know that you do not have to immunize your children! It is completely your decision. There are very interesting books out there about how awful immunizations are! Good reading!
Well then I hope you don’t sue anybody when your kids get horribly sick from polio, measles and mumps…you know, diseases that are prevented from VACCINES. Because gosh, not getting paralyzed from polio is SO unfortunate.
Sorry, I get pissy when people bash vaccines and ignore the WORLD OF GOOD that they do.
go ahead, get pissy! I’m guessing you and your kids if any use a doctor a whole lot more than my entire family of 7! I know how to keep us healthy without the medicine junk. If only the reporting of adverse reactions to immunizations was actually used correctly! Then more might know the ridiculous risks! Did you get chicken pox as a kid? And how many do you know that were seriously affected by them? Why a vaccine?
I actually have no kids as I’m only 19 and in college.
I did have chicken pox, mercifully I was only 4, had I gotten it later in life (like in my teens or early adulthood) one could die (yes…die from chicken pox) as the older you are when you get chicken pox the more severe the illness is, so yes, I find the chicken pox vaccine beneficial.
I also like the fact that I’m not going to get polio, nor am I going to get measles, rubella (which leads to birth defects in women who are pregnant when they get it), mumps, Hepatitis B, tuberculosis or tetanus.
If you can really keep your family healthy without the “medicine junk” I hope you don’t use Tylenol or aspirin when one of your children develops a fever and I sure as hope you don’t give them penicillin if they get strep throat or an ear infection. Oh and don’t use chemo either if anybody gets cancer. Because you know, doctors only want your money, they don’t go through 8 years of school to you know…help people and stuff.
Actually, yes, Dr. Kim did immunize his daughter with the HPV vaccine. My boyfriend, Dan, who is an OB/GYN, gave Dan’s sister Taylor the vaccine a couple months ago.
Dan’s DAD is the OB/GYN. Ugh. School is killing my ability to form coherent statements. Thank god I am out on Wednesday.
@Erin: Huzzah, I always knew school was evil.
no, i don’t use tylenol, or aspirin, none of my kids have had antibiotics, not once! Ear infections as other infections just need to be beaten by the great immune systems our bodies have. Did you know that when you have a fever, your body is fighting an infection. Take tylenol, take away the fever, reduce your body’s ability to fight, lower your immune system and next time you have a bug, your immune system has less chance! Doctors know, we have all heard over and over and over again that antibiotics do not work for ear infections!!!! they push is on the news even!! Why then are they still handing it out?? Money!
luv- are you nuts?
I’m honestly serious. If your child had a life threatening infection, you wouldn’t give them antibiotics?
When your child is in pain, you won’t give them asprin? People have used basic asprin for HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
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Okay, what if one of your children developed diabetes, would you take advantage of the synthetic insulin to keep them from you know…dying?
I have a very healthy immune system, I am rarely ill, and you know what? I still got those vaccines as they are required by LAW before your kid goes to school unless you have a legitimate (often religious) reason not to use vaccines.
I honestly have no respect for you or people like you who think so little of doctors and the medical profession in general. It makes me sick how twisted people like you can be.
“twisted” Doctors who knowing give antibiotics that don’t work on ear infections to children with ear infections. Money, money, money. Who is drowning in money these days, Doctors and Pharmac. comp. and Insurance comp. And it’s all because they just want to help! YUCK!
And yes I’m serious, my children have had infections and I have not given them antibiotics. I have taken care of them and we have kicked it on our own! Amazing! My husband is a Science teacher, learned a lot about the body and how amazingly it works. We get some great info. not fed to us by rich doctors.
going to bed, sorry, i’ll look and respond tom.
Luvmykids, I agree about immunizations….I stopped immunizing the kids after I educated myself about what is in them and what they can do. I wish I could go back in time and not have immunized my first son fully. I feel terrible for what harm I may have inadvertently caused him.
When I was a baby and got one of my shots, I went into seizures and my fever went up to 105. My mom did not immunize me anymore after that. But I didn’t know anything else about vaccines until after my second child…I will never immunize again after the stuff I learned.
Antibiotics I try to avoid as much as possible but I have used them when I didn’t know what else to do. Now I am learning alternative ways to help things like ear infections. Garlic oil is a GREAT medicine for ear infections. It works every time. Stinks a little, but no adverse side effects.
It’s good to meet someone else who feels the same way about these things! :) There are a lot out there who get really riled about this topic!
By the way, here’s a funny video I think you’ll like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvQvz5uPPZk
Rae, I understand where you’re coming from, I really do. A few years ago I would have said the same things. Honest.
I just took a lot of time to read and research both sides and what I found was shocking and I changed my mind.
My mom and I are complete opposites. She wont take anything more than a Tylenol. Me, I have migraines, a bad back, a toothache. Lay that medication on me. I do use Tylenol for fevers. I guess it’s just a matter of preference. I must admit that I do not take the flu shot. I always become violently ill afterwards. To each his own.
Heather, you’re not alone in getting violently ill after flu shots. Many of my relatives who have taken the shot, almost immediately afterwards became seriously ill. I don’t think it is a coincidence…especially after the personal research I’ve done on it.
I also take tylenol whenever I need it. ;-)
I always applaud trying to go a more natural way. I never use antibacterial soap, things like that. Like Heather, I get migraines, and I have never found ANYTHING other than heavy duty migraine meds that will stop them. And like I said, I realize that there are risks to any immunization process. There was a recent mumps outbreak where I go to college in Iowa. It is NOT a fun disease, the girl down the hall got it, and she had never gotten the shot. And antbiotics are OFTEN the best way to cure a bacteria. Doctors are messing us up by throwing them at viruses and such, but honestly, death rates for simple diseases were massively higher before pennicillan. And like I said, asprin is a very very old drug. It’s made from a certain kind of willow tree and only recently became gentle enough through added chemicals to use all the time.
Bethany, one year, after taking the flu shot, I became so ill that I thought I was going to die. My doctor wanted me to get it while pregnant. I pleaded with her “No, please no” I said. I explained to her how ill I had become in the past. She actually acted as if saying no wasn’t an option. So, I took the damn thing. I was sicker than a dog the next week and wound up on antibiotics. What have you found in your research? I am curious.
Erin, at present I take Zomig or Imitrex for my migraines. These meds have worked very well so far. I used to get Percocet and Darvocet. They helped some, but they never quite killed my H/A. I don’t know about you, but mine would last for days! Talk about misery.
Well there is a lot, but here is a condensed idea of what I have found ( the information below is copied and pasted from different websites).. :
“The flu shot could contain anything from aluminum, formaldehyde, dangerous microorganisms, thimerosal (mercury), ethylene glycol, and other adjuvants…”
“According to the CDC, the effectiveness in preventing influenza often ranges from 30-40 percent. Not very encouraging considering the potential health dangers you may be opening yourself up to down the road by allowing the vaccine’s toxic agents into your body.”
Government Now Admits Flu Vaccine Did Not Work
Amongst reports that this year
Oh Bethany, Thank you so much! I will never ever take it again!! That is sick!!
Thanks for the support guys! More people need to hear about this stuff and know that they have a choice!
http://www.acnem.org/journal/23-2_september_2004/vaccines_and_mercury.htm
by the way, if you don’t want you child immunized, it is very easy. On the back of the student immunization card at school is a list of reasons you do not have to. Check one of the reasons, personal or medical are just two of them if you are concerned about the “often religious” reasons Rae.
heather,
my wife gets nasty migraines during her period, sometimes nothing works….
My son fell off a truck and we took him to a doctor (see, I don’t hate doctors, I just think they have a place and that is usually overstepped) just to make sure he didn’t have any internal bleeding. He landed flat on his face and had an abrasion on his forehead. They wanted me to get him a DTP shot because he had never had one and they wanted to make sure he had his Tetanus shot. I asked if they were concerned about Tetanus why couldn’t they just give him that shot instead of all three, DTP. They tried to trick me into thinking that I couldn’t do that. I guess they didn’t know who they were talking to. He didn’t get any of the shots and here he is today! My daughter was biten by a dog in Oct. and had to have 8 stitches on her face and lips. Of course the doctors sent us home with an antibiotic and we were instructed to start giving it to her right away. My husband and I decided to wait and see if she developed an infection and then do something about it. No infection ever developed and we would have drugged her up for nothing!!
Jasper, I don’t know if this will help for sure or not, but I have heard that drinking lots of water before and during a migraine can help to dramatically reduce the pain.
It’s worth a try, since it’s very inexpensive.
Drinking lots of water after drinking and during hangovers alleviates them. Perhaps Bethany is speaking of a similar principle of dehydration at work somehow re: migraines. Coffee is bad for hangovers. Causes more dehydration. Off topic but there you go.
Thanks Bethany, I’ll tell her.
what she also tried that worked a little was to go in the shower and let a stream of ice-cold water flow on her head for a while…..
I just saw my neurologist 2 weeks ago. Sometimes certain foods can trigger these headaches. Cheese, wine, and chocolate are a few. Yes, my sister in law gets them around her period as well. Me, I guess I never noticed that to be true for myself. Stress or lack of sleep are also triggers.
Meh, whatever. Vaccines have helped more children survive into adulthood and helped adults live longer. You do realize that vaccinations have ERADICATED small pox? Polio? Without vaccinations and required immunizations polio and small pox would still be plaguing us today.
But go ahead, it’s your choice to have vaccinations or not. Personally I’m not going to let the very low threat of a severe reaction deter me from getting my vaccines (few more years till I have to get a new meningitis shot and tetanus booster as well as the multitudes of vaccines I’ll need before I go to India) nor will it deter me from getting my future children vaccinated.
And for the record, my doctors never prescribed me antibiotics or other “useless” medications when I got sick. Even if I was hacking my lungs up from a severe cold, never once did they give me any medicine for it…they literally told me to “suck it up”. I’ve only taken antibiotics 4 times in my life: twice for my strep throat (which can affect your HEART if it goes untreated…yes, untreated strep throat can kill you), once after my wisdom teeth extraction to prevent infections and once after my breast reduction surgery to prevent infections. I took them for the amount of time necessary and then I stopped. I turned out ok.
I dare say it is really irresponsible to *wait* until your child gets sick with an infection before giving him/her antibiotics because some infections don’t start showing symptoms until they are quite severe and normal antibiotics *won’t* work.
Meh, whatever. Vaccines have helped more children survive into adulthood and helped adults live longer. You do realize that vaccinations have ERADICATED small pox? Polio? Without vaccinations and required immunizations polio and small pox would still be plaguing us today.
But see, this is one of the things that I found out is most likely not true. It’s another one of those “correlation doesn’t equal causation” situations.
Here’s one link that can help explain… I actually had a link with charts and graphs which explained it in much better detail, with more references, but I can’t seem to locate it at the moment. When I do, I’ll let you know. :-)
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kent.html
When questions of vaccine efficacy have arisen, I’ve often been asked, “But what about polio? I remember the braces, the iron lungs, the crippled children. They disappeared after the Salk vaccine.” The error is confusing correlation with cause and effect. The incidence of polio was decreasing before the Salk vaccine was administered. Following the administration of the Salk vaccine, there was an increase in the number of polio cases, followed by a continuation of the natural decline that pre-dated the vaccine. Proponents of polio vaccine conveniently ignore previous polio epidemics, where the disease all but disappeared in the absence of a vaccine.
Let’s look at some polio statistics. In 1942, the epidemic of the first half of the century subsided, and there were fewer than 5,000 cases of polio in the United States. Around 1948, the number of polio cases began to soar. Interestingly, this is about the time the pertussis vaccine appeared on the public health scene. Polio reached a high in 1949, and then began its natural decline. In 1949 there were nearly 43,000 cases of polio. By 1951 the number had dropped to below 28,000. Following a government-subsidized study of polio vaccine, the number soared to an all-time high of more than 55,000 cases. A “bad batch” of vaccine produced by Cutter Laboratories was deemed the cause of many cases of polio. Fortunately, better quality control procedures governing the inactivation of the virus were initiated, and the number of cases continued to decline. Of course, the vaccine got the credit — not nature.
An even more interesting abuse of statistics becomes apparent when perusing polio statistics. The diagnostic criteria and reporting procedures for the disease changed. In the 1950s, the sophisticated virological techniques of today did not exist. And the technology that existed was rarely available to practicing physicians. Therefore, most diagnoses were based upon clinical observation, not sophisticated virological studies. Since polio was epidemic, most physicians were cavalier in making a diagnosis of “non-paralytic poliomyelitis” in children presenting with vague symptoms of muscle aches, malaise, and fever. Since polio was “going around”, such children must have had polio. Today, they might be diagnosed as having influenza, again in the absence of laboratory confirmation. And like influenza today, most cases of polio were self-limited. The cases progressing to the paralytic form got the publicity.
Interestingly, as the number of polio cases decreased, the number of meningitis cases increased. Consider these figures from the Los Angeles County Health Index: Morbidity and Mortality, Reportable Diseases (listed here by date, followed by number of cases of a)viral or aseptic meningitis, b)polio):
– Jul 1955 a)50 b)273
– Jul 1961 a)161 b)65
– Jul 1963 a)151 b)31
– Sep 1966 a)256 b)5 (5 year median)
– Oct 1966 a)312 b)3
The authors of this publication offer an explanation for this rather strange inversion of figures: “Most cases reported prior to July 1, 1958 as non-paralytic poliomyelitis are now reported as viral or aseptic meningitis.” In another masterful example of faulty reasoning, it was concluded that since the vaccine had “wiped out polio”, children with similar symptoms must have something else — meningitis!
The polio vaccine developed by Jonas Salk was a killed virus vaccine. The oral polio vaccine developed by Albert Sabin and until recently used routinely in the United States, is a live virus vaccine. Public health authorities acknowledge the fact the it can and does produce paralytic polio in a small number of recipients. Yet, they promoted it over the safer Salk vaccine because it is easier to “sell” parents on a one-time regimen of an oral vaccine over an injected vaccine where “booster” doses are recommended. The oral vaccine is also said to confer “herd immunity”. Vaccine recipients infect unvaccinated persons, thus increasing the immunity of the “herd”.
What is the risk of contracting naturally occurring polio? According to Jonas Salk, the current live virus polio vaccine developed by Dr. Albert Sabin was “the principal if not the sole cause of the 140 vaccine cases reported in the U.S. since 1961. At the present time the risk of acquiring polio from the live virus vaccine is greater than from naturally occurring viruses.”
In summary:
1)The number of polio cases was declining before the widespread administration of the Salk vaccine.
2)Cases which had previously been reported as polio are now reported as meningitis.
3)The risk of contracting polio from the live virus vaccine is greater than the risk of acquiring the disease from naturally occurring viruses.
Today, medical authorities are recommending a return to the injectable Salk vaccine. However, the live virus Sabin vaccine will probably still be used in developing countries.
A chilling legacy of the live polio vaccine may be the virus associated with AIDS. Edward Hooper’s book “The River: A Journey to the Source of HIV and AIDS” suggests that AIDS may be the result of a live virus polio vaccine administered in Africa in the 1950s. According to Hooper, the vaccine may have been contaminated with a simian (monkey) virus. This virus is thought to have evolved into the HIV virus.
Although the theory is controversial, it demonstrates how the potential risk of vaccines may not become evident until decades after their administration.
References
1. Kent C, Gentempo P: “Immunizations: fact, myth, and speculation.” International Review of Chiropractic. November/December 1990.
2. Hooper, E: “The River: A Journey to the Source of HIV and AIDS.” New York. Little, Brown and Company. 1999.
Oops, sorry, that was pretty long.
thanks for all the info bethany! It’s so great to be able to find this stuff out. “they” would much rather keep all this quiet!
I agree…it’s really scary when you find out that blindly trusting doctors to know everything was quite possibly a huge mistake. Don’t get me wrong….I still go to the doctor when I’m sick, and I love my doctor. But I do think that doctors can be wrong. That’s why I love the internet and the library…you can research and make up your own mind, instead of just relying on others to do your thinking for you.
Here’s another site talking about the polio /AIDS origin theory:
http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/
@Bethany: You know, I’ve gotten both the dead and live polio vaccine, I feel there is nothing wrong with them.
And I am going to have to disagree with the article about HIV being caused by contaminated polio vaccines. It’s wrong on several levels, chiefly the fact that they consider “SIV” to be the monkey equivalent of “HIV”, which it’s not. SIV and HIV are not as related as people think, meaning HIV is not the human version of SIV, they are two different viruses…HIV was not contracted by humans from monkeys.
Another thing that’s incorrect, the oldest known sample of HIV that has been isolated is from 1976. Here is some information about the doctor that isolated the oldest known sample of HIV (and he has done multitudes of work on the virus since 1983). http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/aids/interviews/mccormick.html
It’s interesting stuff, but I think that the polio/origin of AIDS theory is crap.
Well, I can agree that the monkey aids theory could be inaccurate. That’s why I made sure to say it was just a theory. But it is definitely interesting!
thank you again Bethany for your research. I find it very valuable!!
:-)
I’ve just been staying at home waiting for something to happen. I just don’t have much to say right now, but so it goes. I’ve basically been doing nothing to speak of, but shrug. Today was a loss. I don’t care. That’s how it is.
I feel like a fog, not that it matters. I’ve pretty much been doing nothing , but eh. Today was a loss. I haven’t gotten much done for a while.
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