Convicted felon abortionist is Chicago Public School principal
I received this email yesterday from an 8th grader at Lavizzo Elementary School in Chicago:
Abortionist Dr. Arnold Bickham is our PRINCIPAL….
I read your article on Dr. Bickham. Well our students including teachers aren’t comfortable with being around him and we want help. If he has this kind of back ground he shouldn’t be able to work in this type of organization because you’ll never know what he will try to do…..
We want to go on strike and have the news up at our school because this is very disturbing news.
I followed up by speaking by phone with the student.
Long story short: It’s true. Abortionist and principal Arnold Bickham (pictured right from school website) are one and the same.
Having “abortionist” on one’s resumé isn’t necessarily grounds for not hiring.
But Bickham is also a twice convicted felon….
In 1979 Bickham spent 2 years in prison for “defrauding the government of job training money to subsidize the payroll of his Michigan Avenue clinic,” according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
And in 1989, according to RealChoice.com, Bickham was arrested for practicing medicine without a license and sentenced to 30 months probation, 2,600 hours community service, and a $10k fine in lieu of 6 months in jail. Police found 3 handguns on the scene as well as drugs Bickham was obviously not licensed to dispense.
I spoke with Chicago Public Schools spokesperson Mike Vaughn today. He told me the Lavizzo school council, comprised of 6 elected parents, 2 elected community representatives, and 1 teacher, awarded Bickham a 4-year contract on July 1, 2005. “We did supply them with the full background search on Dr. Bickham,” said Vaughn.
Added Vaughn, “I did confirm with the law department that the crimes he was convicted of were not enumerated offenses that state school code lists as prohibiting someone from working for the school district.”
Bickham’s IL medical license has been revoked 3 times: in 1970 for committing abortions on nonpregnant women, in 1979 following revelations about him in the Chicago Sun-Times Abortion Profiteer series, and in 1988 for good after he killed aborting patient Sylvia Moore.
Bickham also had his IN license revoked in 1979 and never reinstated.
Bickham still goes by “Dr.” on the school website. Perhaps he got a PhD. I called him this morning to ask about that among other things, but he never returned my call.
Bickham ran or aborted at 3 Chicago area abortion mills and owned an unlicensed Indianapolis mill until it was closed in 1979.
Pro-Life Action League and Monica Miller (now involved in the Hodari case) found boxes and bags of 600 aborted babies in 1987 in the trash behind a mill Bickham either presently or formerly owned, the Michigan Avenue Medical Center.
I spoke with Ann Scheidler of PLAL today about Bickham and she scanned some photos they took and released at a press conference at the time. These have never before posted on the Internet. The rows of ziplocks below (click to enlarge) are preborn body bags.
Aside from killing Moore, Bickham was sued several other times for malpractice for infection, internal injuries, perforated uterus, and hemorrhage.
Why would parents choose a man with this history to oversee their children, faculty, and school finances?
Vaughn said there is a school council election in April. Members are elected for a 2-year term, so the current crew was elected in April ’06, almost a year after Bickham was hired. Vaughn didn’t know if any current members were members when Bickham was hired. He sent me their names and addresses. I will only post their names, letting parents and students at Lavizzo take it from here.
Katherine Charley
Sirenna Courts-Woodard
Betty Decou
Annette Dorsey
Charmaine Dorsey
Isaiah Flakes
Darlene Sauders
Barbara Wheeler
Perhaps Bickham has reformed again. He became a born again Christian in 1982 and volunteered for a prison ministry for a time before relapsing and aborting, killing a mother, and committing various new crimes.
Nevertheless, a convicted repeat offender should not be overseeing a junior high school. Bad judgment call on the school council’s part. At least 1 student is rightfully creeped out, likely more.
See photos of babies aborted at the Michigan Avenue mill below.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Seriously.
What the hell.
How could they hire that sleaze?
Easily! It’s called CORRUPTION and LACK OF CONCERN FOR THE WELL BEING OF STUDENTS.
If I were the parent of a child in that school, I would be LIVID that they would hire someone with his past to be a principal, OR a teacher.
Whoever is responsible for this should also lose their job(s).
There should be enormous outrage from the parents over this. The student who discovered this has every right to be “creeped out”, and every child in that school needs to be made aware of what this slimebag is all about.
The taxpayers money is keeping this guy employed at the risk and safety of ALL the children who attend that school.
I suppose Belkis Gonzalez and George Tiller will be running day care centers next…
oh. my. goodness. I am actually speechless. And that doesn’t happen often.
It would be interesting to see who exactly this guy is attached or related to. I’m sure that is how he got hired by the local board.
It is Chicago, after all. They may not be interested taking care of children, but they are adept at taking care of their own.
This story (and so many others) absolutely breaks my heart.
To the eigth grader at Lavizzo Elementary School in Chicago who e-mailed Jill….GOD BLESS YOU!
I feel absolutey positive, deep down in my heart that God has lead you to the best person who can help you…Jill Stanek! You are courageous and so brave to write to her and speak with her. I find it amazing that at your young age, you have such a tremedous feeling of what is wrong, and that what is wrong must be fixed. You bring tears to my eyes…(happy one’s!)…Your parents should be so proud of you for being you!!!
I also want you to know that you guys are in my prayers! Please do not be afraid of Mr. Bickham:
Psalm 56:11
In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me.
These kids are so amazing!!!!
I am horrified that this man is a principal!!
I echo JLM to say how proud I am of this 8th grade student who is speaking out! Praying for you!!
You need to organize protests at that school until he resigns and you must encourage parents to homeschool those kids rather than spend 8 hours a day 40 hours each week around a pro-abort like that.
OH YEAH, SoMG IS UNWILLING TO ADMIT THAT HE IS WRONG ONCE PRESENTED WITH EVIDENCE SHOWING HE IS WRONG! SEE FOR YOURSELF HERE.
https://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/03/breaking_news_t.html
zeke, he’s always wrong. He makes it up as he goes.
A murderer is also a school principal? YIKES!
And we wonder WHY the Chicago public school system blows so badly?
I think we know now.
I wonder how many of his “would be” students he aborted.
Infiltarating schools and putting people in positions to approve their ontraceptive/abortive curriculum. This is all part of the pro-abort agenda. I would raise Cain to get him outta there.
Someone needs to bring this to Bill O’Reilly’s attention.
I’m going to go see about doing just that.
Also, I didn’t think that convicted felons were allowed to work around kids.
Also, I didn’t think that convicted felons were allowed to work around kids.
I don’t know about this..I think this only applies to sexual predators and things like that. At least when they’re on probation anyway.
Has anyone investigated if he’s doing a good job?
I’m kind of two minds about this.
I don’t think he should be fired because he used to perform abortions. However, he is a convicted felon and a repeat offender. For that reason, he should not be working with kids.
However, what can he really do? He needs a job to pay for the bills like everyone else. If he got the job and didn’t lie about his past, and hasn’t had an incident since then, I think he should be able to keep his job…people can change.
“Bickham still goes by “Dr.” on the school website. Perhaps he got a PhD. I called him this morning to ask about that among other things, but he never returned my call.”
“Dr.” refers to his degree, his MD. He still has that and is still entitled to be called doctor, even without a license.
I pray Jill’s faithful are realizing the incredible truth the Lord
is bringing to light through her diligent efforts.
We are all blessed to have her work keeping us abreast
of the insanity of this vile killing industry!
Submitting this to various media outlets.
Sorry, abortion supporters. One place that a person who can kill babies, is anywhere near kids. An abortionists knows the qualities of his victims and kills willfully and on a massive scale. Credit goes to the eighth grader for exhibiting better judgment than the adults in this situation.
Those kids have reason to be afraid. If I had a background such as that, I would never get a job, especially with children! He needs to go!
Alayna, I hope you’ll stay. I typed to you on Operation Rescue. This lady has excellent posts!
There is a widespread problem in American schools: sexual misconduct by the very teachers who are supposed to be nurturing the nation’s children. This is the very definition of breach of trust. Students in America’s schools are groped, raped, pursued, seduced, and made to think they’re in love. An Associated Press investigation spanning five years found more than 2500 cases in which educators were punished for actions from bizarre to sadistic. The number of abusive educators – nearly three for every school day – speaks to a large problem that is stacked against victims. The institutions that govern education have only sporadically addressed a problem that has been apparent for decades.
That is unbelievable!
I am so thrilled to know that these 8th graders were perceptive enough to see what was going on and to actually take action against him??? Wow, they are so brave and like JLM said, I commend them for it!!
Bethany, I agree. What a great group of kids! Odd, when you go to the contact section, you get a direct link to Bickman’s e-mail.
I have to agree with Stephanie and Hal on this one. If Bickham has cleaned up his act, and is being honest about his background, he does deserve the chance to be an honest, law-abiding, constructive citizen.
What, once you’re an abortionist you never get to do right by society?
Yeah, it’s kinda creepy that he’s working around kids. But he never made a secret of his past.
We need to show that there is a place in the world for EX-abortionists, that changing your ways will not leave you with no way to fit into society.
I don’t know. I know a few people with felonies and misdemeanors who have a lot of trouble getting jobs.
How did he get a job at a school no less??
Also, I do actually feel a pang of sorrow for the man. Don’t ask me why.
Did I miss something?
What qualifies this man to be a principle of a school? Does he hold a degree in education?
Was he ever a teacher?
Was he ever an asst. principle?
I think these parents were awed by his Dr. title.. How many were present at the official vote? How could they overlook his past?
Were there bribes to the counsel members?
Was there no other applicants???????
What a loser.
If this man was convicted of bilking money from the govt. prior, what’s not to say he wouldn’t do it again?
Sorry. I wouldn’t want this man anywhere near my children.
Good for this student for taking action.
I applaud him/her and hope this man is out.
He is a repeat offender.
The photos are telling. I now need to go cry.
I understand that some people can change and yes, people need jobs BUT I agree with Sandy on this. What are his qualifications? Where did he gain experience in the classroom and in administration?
He is the most qualified they could find?!!?
Of course there is a place for ex-abortionists in society…NOT in a school setting. Please.
Just exactly how does his past career exclude him from becoming a principal. And how would this be threatening to kids at the school.
If he’s not in a situation where he’s either making medical decisions or handling money, he’s not in a position where his past disqualifies him. We don’t know what he did in the years since he lost his license. He might have gone to school and gotten a degree in administration or something.
Had he lied to get the job, I’d say go after him, but if he was honest in his dealings with the school, that’s turning over a new leaf, a break from the habitual dishonsty of his days as an abortionist.
I’d say it’s more appropriate for the kids to meet with the guy, with their parents of course, and talk about their concerns.
Let’s not establish that prolifers want reformed abortionists to be as shunned as practicing ones.
Put me somewhere between Christina and Sandy and Carla.
Getting the doctor out of the death camp is one thing; getting the death camp, with all its callousness, cruelty, deceit, fraud and lack of concern for mothers and children, etc., ad nauseam, out of the doctor is another, and is the crucial point here in addition to the matter of his qualifications as an administrator in the field of education.
I’d have no problem, for instance, in getting Bernard Nathanson-since about 1984- into as many schools as possible…as a special speaker on abortion; particularly medical schools…a position I expect that he’d prefer over being principal of just one…
I have a problem with a convicted felon teaching kids or anywhere around kids.
Wasn’t there a case a few years ago about a man who was denied a teaching license in Illinois because twenty five years ago while in college he had been arrested and convicted of possession of marijuana. It was in the Sun-Times. What is the difference?
Iva (TexasRed), it is wild how many times I have agreed with you in the last couple of days. :-)
Maybe the local school council was just pro-choice and didn’t really care about that aspect of the principal’s past.
FYI, the student emailed me, has read the post and your comments and appreciates kind words extended his/her way.
You folks have often said that you would stop harrassing people as soon as they stopped providing abortions. Obviously, no one can take you at your word.
Just as with so-called “Sidewalk Counselors,” you will say anything, whether it’s truthful or not.
jaybones, You must admit it’s sort of weird. He went from killing children to being a principal. I don’t really think that the PL crew has been THAT hard on the man. We have a problem more so with the fact that he’s a convicted felon. Heck, I think California has the 3 strikes law.
Oops, convicted felon X 2.
Also, I commend Bernard Nathanson for his conversion. I really do.
“One place that a person who can kill babies, shouldn’t be- is anywhere near kids.” Correction from my previous post, which was missing two words.
Nope, Jaybones, I never said that I’d stop harassing people as soon as they stopped providing abortions. Understand that there are a lot of means for aiding and abetting abortion practice, other than actually performing the job. There are very few abortionists, and plenty of assistants. This is why surgical abortion is done in assembly line fashion.
Anyone who favors abortion, or thinks that it’s OK is subject to possible public embarrassment by me. So, for example, if you’re proabortion and you’re attending a party where I’m present, there could be some social discomfort awaiting you. I could point out that you have asserted the moral authority to determine which humans can be killed, and therefore are worrisome to have as a neighbor, or in health care, or in education, or in government, etc. I am a real party pooper for proaborts.
“Anyone who favors abortion, or thinks that it’s OK is subject to possible public embarrassment by me. So, for example, if you’re proabortion and you’re attending a party where I’m present, there could be some social discomfort awaiting you. I could point out that you have asserted the moral authority to determine which humans can be killed, and therefore are worrisome to have as a neighbor, or in health care, or in education, or in government, etc. I am a real party pooper for proaborts.”
at the parties I attend you’d be much more ridiculed for holding your view that the government can tell women they can’t terminate a pregancy.
You folks have often said that you would stop harrassing people as soon as they stopped providing abortions. Obviously, no one can take you at your word.
Just as with so-called “Sidewalk Counselors,” you will say anything, whether it’s truthful or not.
Posted by: jaybones at March 19, 2008 5:27 PM
Obviously the kids and teachers who work with him on a daily basis have concerns. Thus this discussion.
I just have to wonder what qualifies him to be a school administrator?
Women have gotten fired from teaching positions for inappropriate photos on the internet taken prior to their teaching careers. That’s tame compared to this man’s hideous background.
I think people are perfectly justified in questioning why this man has the position he has.
at the parties I attend you’d be much more ridiculed for holding your view that the government can tell women they can’t terminate a pregnancy.
Posted by: Hal at March 19, 2008 5:50 PM——————– Hal, you’ll have that when you hang out with morally bankrupt people.
Sandy, right. Would anyone want Mary Kay Lateurno teaching school again?
“I think people are perfectly justified in questioning why this man has the position he has.”
I assume he submitted a resume, went through the application process, and was the best applicant. Why else would he have this job?
The NEA just had George, “The Killer”, Tiller speak at their event as seen on http://www.studentsforlife.org/ So why not hire defrocked abortionist to head up their schools? The public school is no place for children.
Jo
Hal, why do you say “terminate a pregnancy” rather than ‘kill a human prior to birth’? Is this your “party talk”?
Probably I wouldn’t be invited to any parties initiated by your people, Hal. This is because our social circles aren’t the same, and pro abortionists know who I am.
I say “terminate a pregnancy” because 1) it is correct, and 2) it really bothers some of you guys
We need to get away from the rhetoric that abortion “kills a baby.”
Hal,
You sell the killing, which is abortion, by hiding
what it actually is. Those of us who are educated in developmental biology recognize your terminology as willful deception. Your willingness to lie, in order to push the hopeless misery of abortion onto others, reveals your disrespect and disregard of women.
“Your willingness to lie, in order to push the hopeless misery of abortion onto others, reveals your disrespect and disregard of women.”
It might reveal a lot of things about me, but not disrespect for women. Maybe I just hate babies. Maybe I trust women enough to allow them to make the decisions about pregnancy themselves. Maybe I don’t trust the government to do the right thing. Maybe I think most people are smart enough to know what “terminate a pregnancy” means.
I’m not “selling” anything. I don’t care if another abortion never happens or another million do happen. I have no agenda. As long as the right to make that decision is protected.
Hal…are you FOR REAL???????
Abortion DOES kill babies. It’s NOT “rhetoric”.
You really need to go back and take a refresher course in Biology (if indeed you ever took one to begin with.)
Your continued posts here make you look more and more ignorant and in denial as time goes by.
And, in case you aren’t aware of it, they’ve proven that the earth isn’t FLAT. Start from there and work your way up to the year 2008.
Probably I wouldn’t be invited to any parties initiated by your people, Hal. This is because our social circles aren’t the same, and pro abortionists know who I am.
Posted by: kb at March 19, 2008 8:01 PM
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kb, sounds like you’d be welcome at my house.
Mike: Hal…are you FOR REAL? Abortion DOES kill babies. It’s NOT “rhetoric”. You really need to go back and take a refresher course in Biology
Mike, yes, he’s for real.
No, biology is a science, and “baby” or not is a subjective deal. Biologically, there are the stages of zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus, etc. One might feel that “baby” applies for all those, for some of them, or for none of them. It’s up to the user, it’s not a matter of biology.
I thought he looked familiar….
Doug,
Personally I think that all human life is sacred from the point of conception, but I really don’t think of that ife as being a baby until it becomes a fetus at about eight weeks gestation. The eighth week is when the embryo becomes a fetus with brain waves, heartbeat, sucks her thumb etc..
Hal, you live here as though it’s a second job, and you tell us that you have no agenda.
You don’t respect or like women at all. You hate the bodies of women and their biological characteristics. You hate the fertility of women. You don’t care that when a woman kills her baby she suffers psychic damage.
Abortion is the means by which society tells women that child bearing is a disease. Legalized abortion tells women that they should be concealing the problems associated with abandonment when they become impregnated by a sexual utilitarian. Abortion, along with the minimal sentences for sex abusers and rapists are the means by which women are informed that they should expect abuse and rape as a part of life.
Your mission here is to help solidify this position as a permanent part of the culture.
I would still like to talk with Hal’s wife, who has had two abortions herself.
My husband is the AP at a school in one of the best school districts in Illinois. He got is undergrad and graduated summa cum laude, taught for a few years while getting his masters – with a 4.0 GPA. Taught for a total of 14 years before becoming an AP.
This guy got the job with none of those qualifications, and that’s why Chicago schools are the way they are. You get what you pay for.
Doug, smashing resemblance. LOL! kb, I really like you. Hope you’ll stick around.
And Hal, abortion clinics cover up for sexual predators. It can return a woman/girl right back into the abusive cycle. Geesh, I thought we’d covered this.
TY, Truthseeker. You’re very hospitable.
As for Doug, the words I used were ‘kill a human prior to birth’. I’m really accustomed to abortion apologists, and have learned to remove all emotionally charged words to avoid further melting down those already damaged by abortion.
But really, it’s a baby immediately to a woman who wants to keep her kid, and it becomes all sorts of other inanimate and non living objects to people who want to kill the humans prior to birth.
“You don’t respect or like women at all. You hate the bodies of women and their biological characteristics. You hate the fertility of women. You don’t care that when a woman kills her baby she suffers psychic damage.”
Not true.
Do you care about the “psychic damage” to women due to unavailability of abortion?
“This guy got the job with none of those qualifications, and that’s why Chicago schools are the way they are. You get what you pay for.”
How do we know what qualifications this guy has? How do we know his GPA, or what education classes he might have completed, or even taught? We don’t know much about him. The people who hired him did, I assume (unless someone can prove otherwise) he was the most qualified applicant)
KB, that’s right. I’ve never heard of a “fetus shower” before.
you have a baby shower before you have the baby, you have a wedding shower before you have the wedding.
key word is before. So, while you’re pregnant, it’s still a baby.
Iva (TexasRed), it is wild how many times I have agreed with you in the last couple of days. :-)
Posted by: Bethany at March 19, 2008 4:09 PM
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Adolph Hitler is probably taking advantage and getting in some ice skating while it lasts ….
I did a Google search about Bickham:
http://www.catalyst-chicago.org/arch/03-04/0304truth.htm
(You can start at the section titled “Interim No. 4”)
The parents were unhappy to learn that someone with his background was in charge. The teachers, on the other hand…
QUOTE:
Most classroom teachers at Truth say they don
Maybe the local school council was just pro-choice and didn’t really care about that aspect of the principal’s past.
Posted by: maybe at March 19, 2008 4:22 PM
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What part of ‘felony’ is confusing here? Performing legal abortions isnt a crime and its certainly not a felony. I honestly can see shrugging and looking the other way if a guy got charged with having some pot back when he was an undergraduate but look at his record! The guy committed fraud – he was caught in possession of firearms and drugs – he was practicing medicine without a license – geeze!
key word is before. So, while you’re pregnant, it’s still a baby.
Posted by: heather at March 20, 2008 12:13 PM
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Its a fetus. You dont use anything you get at a ‘baby shower’ until you have a baby – ie, give birth. And if you miscarry there is no baby to use them.
Doug,
Personally I think that all human life is sacred from the point of conception, but I really don’t think of that ife as being a baby until it becomes a fetus at about eight weeks gestation. The eighth week is when the embryo becomes a fetus with brain waves, heartbeat, sucks her thumb etc..
Posted by: truthseeker at March 20, 2008 3:25 AM
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You really do need to do more research on that.
This is an example of the lack of checks and balances that comes from a single party system. Chicago has been under the stranglehold of the Democratic machine for decades. They do what they d____ well please, including the monstrosity of an idea to have an felonious abortionist serve as principal. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The other problem with people like this is, they are liberal with their views of what should be allowed in classrooms. Because they lack integrity or much moral conscience, they would probably have no problem with children’s programs that teach homosexuality as normal or other corrupt ideas.
Haha, Heather. Most people think I’m obnoxious.
Fetus shower……. ;-).. That would be OK. Problem is that our abortion supporters don’t study languages much. The ‘Fetus’ word (latin) recognizes that its a child in development. The root word implies young one, newly born/delivered. It has no implication of the young one being of a different species than the parent.
From Asia……. the word ‘Taiji’, for the unborn really means “womb child” right from the Kanji (written language). Yep, people from elsewhere aren’t lying to themselves about who a kid really is, before birth.
But poor old Hal is, (and it looks as though Carla has supplied a reason). It appears to be a mission of self justification, in addition to hatred for what the normal female body naturally does.
Girls, if you want to be happy for the rest of your life, stay away from a sexual utilitarian.
All the medical studies I’ve ever seen point to the increased psychological damage done by abortion on women, and I guess it places men (Hal) into a separation from reality too. Abortion supporters will spend all day rejecting what’s in the medical literature in the way of hard data, (the suicides) and will spend time aggregating all sorts of fluffy claims from other self justifiers, that abortion is a relief.
I’m seeing massive numbers of women on antidepressants, and (due to the timing of onset) I suspect that that abortion at least doubled the numbers. That’s an anecdote of my observation in practice.
That would be another great blog topic; abortion and men; Isn’t their lack of “right to choose” a matter if sexual discrimination? How are the psychological ramifications of abortion different for men? (I contend that they can be a bit different if the man unsuccessfully tried to stop the abortion. Then, you get into feelings of powerlessness, etc. along with the obsessive re-living of the event that many mothers deal with. The powerlessness thing could really do a number on a man’s virility and sexuality.
Also, because abortion can result in a mother’s feelings of being a failure at fulfilling her maternal instincts, I can see that would be a factor in a father’s negative feelings after abortion. After all, a man is supposed to protect his progeny, no? Isn’t the “women and children first” philosophy somehow thwarted by abortion? Isn’t it a comfort to men to know that their place in our society is that of protector and defender, even to his own death? I would imagine that if that were taken away, it would do immeasurable harm to the psyche of a man.
Hal, what do you think?
Pj mama, excellent point! Discrimination! KB, people think you’re obnoxious? hahaha. I like obnoxious folk;]
Pro aborts like to change thier language for their own comfort. The problem is that they get twisted up in their own lies.
Pro aborts like to change thier language for their own comfort. The problem is that they get twisted up in their own lies.
Hope I’ll be hanging around a bit, Heather. I’ve been forwarding some of Jill’s news, with her permission, so that even more media can see her work.
She’s really good.
PajamaMama has a really significant point. I know of some guys who have just about lost their marbles because they couldn’t prevent an abortion. It’s a sad way to really mess up a basically decent guy.
Abortion exists because too many guys are too self centered to have that natural role of a man, to protect. The sexual utilitarians have screwed up things for decent people in a big way.
We should escalate an appropriate social response, and these utilitarians need to lose access to sex.
KB, that’s great news! Does abortion screw up good guys? Oh yeah! Never underestimate men. I know some men who have full custody of their kids, and they do an excellent job in raising them. I’ve also known women who abort without being under pressure. They simply don’t have time to raise kids. They don’t want to make time. It goes both ways.
Doug, Personally I think that all human life is sacred from the point of conception, but I really don’t think of that ife as being a baby until it becomes a fetus at about eight weeks gestation. The eighth week is when the embryo becomes a fetus with brain waves, heartbeat, sucks her thumb etc..
Truthseeker, right on – it’s an individual deal. For me it’s really mainly just how it looks, i.e. “baby” or not. I’m also fine with saying, “unborn baby” – it’s understood well and I see no point in arguing semantics and terminology forever.
Only thing I’d say there is that stating, “It’s a baby” is not any meaningful argument in the abortion debate, any more than saying, “It’s not a baby,” is.
Doug
these utilitarians need to lose access to sex
:: laughing ::
Doug, smashing resemblance. LOL!
Heh – Heather, I also thought of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
KB: As for Doug, the words I used were ‘kill a human prior to birth’. I’m really accustomed to abortion apologists, and have learned to remove all emotionally charged words to avoid further melting down those already damaged by abortion.
Okay, KB, that’s pretty reasonable, but “a human” is arguable, while “human” as an adjective really isn’t.
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But really, it’s a baby immediately to a woman who wants to keep her kid, and it becomes all sorts of other inanimate and non living objects to people who want to kill the humans prior to birth.
No, that’s not really true. Heck, it may not even be thought of as a “kid” by a given woman, though continue her pregnancy she strongly wants to do. There are women who think of the unborn as “babies” or as “children,” etc., and who are still pro-choice. Likewise, there are also women who think that “baby” does not apply until after birth or until a stage of gestation, and who are pro-life.
The”inanimate” and “non living” stuff is silly. If somebody actually says the unborn here are “not alive” or “not human” then I’d argue with them as much as anybody.
Doug
To Heather, I just read your comment! Thanks! I write what comes from my heart and from the direction God leads me. When I saw abortion for what it really is, I was saddened to the depths of my being. Someone close to me just had an abortion, so it really touched home. I don’t think anyone should even have an opinon about abortion until they have viewed the graphic pictures and spent hours studying the methods, procedures, personal stories and lopgged onto Operation Rescue and followed them consistently for a period of time and picked up all of the info related to Tiller and other abortionists who are working illegally and remaining in business through political corruption! When you have done so and you can write bck to me that abortion is ok and you can somehow justify the pain and torture these babies go through, I will listen. Give me one reason a baby should be mutilated, sucked out of his mother’s womb where God intended him to be and tossed into the garbage and thrown out with the trash? Would you want your sister to go under a butcher’s knife, shoving his hands up into her insides, ripping and pulling her baby apart, showing no feeling about the baby’s pain? Don’t tell me this should be a woman’s “choice.” If she kills her baby outside the abortion chambers, she goes to jail. If she participates in the killing with an abortionist, it is ok. Who made up these rules?? Any activity which is accompanied by so much crime, has to be bad! We have Tiller, killing babies at any stage right up to birth, and Martin Haskell inventing and promoting partial birth abortion where he testified in court about his barbaric procedure, laughingly describing how the baby’s little hands will grasp his instruments and hands “helping” him with the abortion. He then reaches in and stabs their skull, spewing their brains out, making it easier to finish the delivery. Tiller even wraps the dead babies up if the mother wants to hold them to say good bye. There is nothing pretty about abortion. Nothing good. Nothing pure. Nothing to be happy or proud about. God is holding back His wrath on those who harm His little ones! Back to the subject: Should Arnold Bickman be principle? No, He has proven he has no compassion for children. Ok, so he is a born again Christian? What has he done to redeem himself for the public eye? Forgiveness comes from God but one must prove himself worthy to be trusted with the care of people. He has not “taken very good care of people,”ie, babies, mothers, in the past: in fact he has flagrantly violated the law in regards to practicing medicine safely with regards to the women he supposedly served, as well as KILLED their babies! How does he feel about all of this now? Questioning this man’s values is necessary. You don’t kill babies and just “go on with your life!”
You are no Christian Jill Stanek. You will repent of your incendiary hatred and find the love of God. Failure to do so will result in you perishing forever at the end of your days! Please repent and save your soul!!! The love of God is calling you.
As for the rest of you evil doers, as a pro-lifer I declare that your evil incendiary attitude shames God. Find decency and repent. You magnify the destruction of others and you set back our cause.
Repent! There is no argument.
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P.S. A U realy girl?
Good idea!
P.S. A U realy girl?
Good idea!
P.S. A U realy girl?
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God is a God of love, but he is also capable of “righteous indignation!” His wrath will come down one day on all of those people who are involved in baby killing! I know I cannot “love Tiller into repentance,” as I have personally written to him, exhibiting my utmost pleadings to quit killing babies. I sent him a letter about abortion from the baby”s point of view, where the baby who is being aborted speaks to his mother about the experience and says he forgives her and says he loves her still. Of course, I got no response from Tiller. These abortionists don’t care! Sinful activities must be pointed out, and this is not condemnation.
God will deal with them, but in the mean time we must actively identify who is killing babies,( if we want to stop the suffering,) publicize it, and convict these abortionists of their crimes.
Stating that you are a Christian means you follow Christ. It dosn’t mean you think you are perfect. Actually when I say I am Christian, I am saying I need Jesus more than ever in a world full of sin and Only through Him do I have the courage and strength to go on. Without Him, I am weak, alone, and open to temptation God bless
Jill and all of the other Pro-Lifers who are working together to do the will of God!
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I am a student of lavizzo elemenatary and I agree that he should not be our principal because of his past