In response to MoveOn.org’s “Not Alex” ad comes this political cartoon by Chip Bok of Townhall.com:
Here’s that ad, in case you missed it:
I wonder if Bok anticipated people like me interpreting his work as I have….
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Clever! Plus the kid in the cartoon even looks a little like McCain.
Hey, did any of the mods see yllas post on the “Obama talks about fatherhood” post last night at 12am? I don’t want to be a tattle tale but I really think you should take a look.
Wait I don’t get it, are we for or against McCain’s 100 more years in Iraq?
It is good to see mother’s who care so deeply about their children. I wonder who she is voting for? Can’t be the BHO.
Jess: I think you are right. That whole discussion is pretty awful both by you, and yllas. It should have been stopped by the moderator early on.
Interestingly there is a post by a Patricia and I’m fairly certain it was not by me. The time is off by an hour and I KNOW I was in bed reading last night until 2 am! It also copied a comment by a Jenn from May 20th – believe me I rarely if ever go back and copy comments from the archives. Just too much work!
And who the heck is LauraLaura?
Anyway I think the moderator for that evening better get with it!
Well I don’t get why you think I was being awful, I didn’t say anything rude or mean about yllas, but she directly insulted me. Did you read all the posts?
Are there specific moderators for each evening?
Hi Patricia,
Just a hunch….I think there may have been some trickery going on last night. Yllas has her/his own style, and that was just too far from it to be believable, IMO. Ad who’s this “Patricia” gal? Imposters? Hmmmm. It’s a shame “adults” have to behave this way. They shouldn’t need babysitters 24/7.
“Are there specific moderators for each evening?”
No Jess, I was on last night and musthave missed any bad language. I was on another thread.
Imposters, Laura-Laura, and a couple people who get off reading the imposter’s comments…hmmm
Time for some IP sleuthing.
Ok Jasper, are you going to read her comments?
There’s an impostor yallas? I wonder if this one is as creepy as the real one…
I like this cartoon, but the original ad was laughable enough on its own. I’m just SO UPSET that we still have military bases in Japan and Germany! How long ago was WWII over? YOU CAN’T HAVE MY BABY!!!
It just goes to show what little military strategic knowledge some people have. I admire people who respectfully disagree with war as a whole based on their ideals (NOT people who call this an oil war, or accuse our soldiers of purposefully attacking civilians). I’m also glad that many of those people don’t make policy concerning our nation’s security, because idealism has nothing to do with it, and being realistic is imperative.
There’s an impostor yallas? I wonder if this one is as creepy as the real one…
I like this cartoon, but the original ad was laughable enough on its own. I’m just SO UPSET that we still have military bases in Japan and Germany! How long ago was WWII over? YOU CAN’T HAVE MY BABY!!!
It just goes to show what little military strategic knowledge some people have. I admire people who respectfully disagree with war as a whole based on their ideals (NOT people who call this an oil war, or accuse our soldiers of purposefully attacking civilians). I’m also glad that many of those people don’t make policy concerning our nation’s security, because idealism has nothing to do with it, and being realistic is imperative.
I don’t want to be a tattle tale but…
:: chuckle ::
Jess, you tattle-tale. [wink]
Actually Doug I think it’s a good thing that Jess did bring this up.
And I did read some of the posts and Jess definitely yllas was way out of line on this one.
Jess, Nice spin on the 100 years. How about you quote McCain
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Charles, I’m just repeating what I heard on the commercial. That’s why I asked what our stance was on it.
I don’t think Japan is a threat to us anymore, maybe we should think about leaving. But ok, now that you explained what exactly the 100 years was it sounds better.
Jess and to Whom It May Concern,
I’ve notified Jill of what took place last night re: yllas and the online conversation that went down in flames.
She will decide how to handle it. In the meantime, let’s all keep a level head when it comes to these emotional issues. Speaking for myself, I would like to keep you on this blog provided we can keep it civil.
And Amanda, I beggeth you, PLEASE don’t go!
To answer your question, Jess, there aren’t specific moderators for each evening. We happen to be on at any given time.
Sorry about that situatin last night.
Jess,
The reason we are in Japan today is different from the past. Today, they are our allies and act as a buffer against Communist China and Russian power in the region. Japan wants us there for protection.
Same as South Korea, Germany, Europe, Phillipines, and numerous other locations around the world that trust us, indeed partner with us.
People forget history. Every war after WWII is against the Communist from Stalin, Mao, Nikita, Fidel, FARC, Vietnam, North Korea, Sandinistas, the Cold War and Chavez today. With the exception of Billy Boy Bubba’s war against the Christians in the Balkans, America has been almost alone fighting Communism.
The Marxist-Communist leaders lost big with the fall of USSR. And China is somewhat mollified by Free Market and growth of Christianity. But the leaders have not given up. They’re still fighting for their ideology against ours.
Now, who supports Iran today? Besides other Islamic nations? Iran is bolstered by China and Russia on the left with Europe in the middle and America slightly right of center facing off against them with Israel. Putin feeds Iran the nuke technology. China, a thoughtless and careless tyrannical regime does not care what Iran does.
AT the UN, Russia and China oppose almost every serious move, including hardening sanctions against places like Iran and Sudan. Sudan where over 2 million have died. While Russia and China feed it weapons and money for oil by the way.
Yet the moonbats don’t protest Russia and Chinese embassies for the looting of Sudan and the death of 2 million innocents. No, they protest our soldiers for liberating 50 million people instead. This is the blindness of the left. Their inability to see evil.
Baby Alex’s Mom is clueless to the world around her and thinks talking or running away from danger will suffice. But we simply cannot do that anymore.
9/11 taught us a lesson. For many intelligent people it was the wake up call for our generation(s). Old and young. That for to long we looked the other way while our enemies formed and plotted against us around the world and here at home. And today, Marxist like David Axelrod and Communist like William Ayers support Obama. This should be a wake up call for us all.
Oh… forgot to add this excellent video response by Ania Egland to the MoveOn.org idiocy.
This is a Mother that gets it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mtAs2zpC2s
Yllas,
With Jill’s authorization, you are asked to discontinue posting for the next two weeks.
Take a break. Go to the beach. Do some gardening.
When you’re ready to compose coherent posts minus the insults, we’ll be glad to have you back.
Yours Truly.
Um…won’t Mom be surprised if Alex enlists when he is 18??
Excellent commentary, Michael.
Hey Carla! How are you!
Hi John McCain – this is Alex. He’s my first…
Sending him to Iraq is my choice – not yours or his.
See I made the choice to have Alex – and I would have rather aborted Alex than to have him volunteer to fight for the freedom of other people, and to keep Americans safe, unless such fighting would mean freedom of reproductive choice.
If you were counting on Alex, you can’t have him, because he’s my choice John McCain.
Thank you Planned Parenthood and Senator Obama for defending choice, and particularly for my choice in having Alex.
Wouldn’t baby Alex’s decision to join the military be his and not his mother’s?
Also, has she informed the police and fire chiefs of this country that they can’t have her son either, as both of these professions also ask their members to lay their lives on the line?
Just what does baby Alex have mama’s permission to do when he grows up?
http://tinyurl.com/3un9rx
Commercial taglines quiz. I missed two.
Mary, yeah, it’d be Alex’s choice, and his mother probably hopes there’d be no active wars going on then.
Michael,
Excellent commentary.
I remember when a group of war protestors went to Guantanamo Bay to protest the detention of terrorists. Ironically they drove right past Castro’s prisons without a peep of protest.
From what I’ve read of Castro’s prisons and their torturing of political prisoners, they make the prison at Guantanamo Bay look like a resort.
Michael @ 8:36 PM – Excellent!
Grand tactics and strategy is beyond 20 second soundbites, and as you clearly show, once you reveal the patterns, denial of the obvious is simply a reflection of political intent.
Doug 8:06am
The wish of every mother for generations past and to come.
Hey Patricia,
Must. Catch. Up. :)
Carla!
How was the taping? Been thinking about you.
Carla, I among others would like to hear all about your trip.
Also, has she informed the police and fire chiefs of this country that they can’t have her son either, as both of these professions also ask their members to lay their lives on the line?
A lot of people see a massive difference between being a police officer, a firefighter, or even a soldier as late as a decade ago, and being a soldier today. A lot of people feel that the war in Iraq was not justified and has been a waste of the generosity of our soldiers, who volunteer their lives to protect this country and deserve, at the very least, that no one ask them to make that sacrifice unless it’s absolutely necessary.
I have a lot of family in the military and my family is staunchly anti-Iraq war. They view it as a betrayal of trust and a careless throwing away of some of the best young men and women America has to offer.
Obviously the ad is talking about the hypothetical situation 20 years from now, so who knows what the situation will be then. But it’s incorrect to say that people who don’t want their children to fight in Iraq are stupid for not thinking of all the other dangerous professions, too. It’s not the danger they object to — it’s the unnecessary danger.
Alexandra, 9:10am
I view all these people as ready and willing to put their lives on the line to protect our lives and liberty.
Do you or any of us give a thought to the danger we are placing a police officer or firefighter in when you call them for help? About unnecessary danger, what about the firefighters who lose their lives in fires set by arsonists or careless smokers? What about the senseless violence police officers must face on a daily basis? Yes there is all kinds of senseless danger.
I did not suggest this woman was stupid, I said it would be her son’s decision. He would likely face far greater danger being a police officer in an urban area than he ever would in the military.
Objections to sending our men and women to war have existed since the founding of our country, no matter how “just” the war. Both military and non-miltary persons and families did not always agree with or like the reason(s). Thankfully we have never been a nation that marches in lockstep to the dictates of our leaders.
About unnecessary danger, what about the firefighters who lose their lives in fires set by arsonists or careless smokers? What about the senseless violence police officers must face on a daily basis? Yes there is all kinds of senseless danger.
Yeah, but then we blame the arsonists and the criminals for needlessly putting the lives of such good men and women in danger. Kind of akin to blaming Hitler for the fact that we had to sacrifice so many of our young men during WWII. I’m just saying that it is quite logical for this woman to “inform” McCain that he can’t have her son, but not to inform every police and fire chief in the country of that same thing. It’s not the possibility that he could die that is so horrifying, it’s the thought of his death being a careless sacrifice by the people to whom he entrusts it. If the local police force suddenly started having men die in situations that a lot of people found unnecessary, then she’d probably feel the same way and maybe she’d send a sad little video to the police chief as well.
to my knowledge, no one has been drafted to be a policeman or fireman.
With the continued deterioration of the military due to the endless Irag war, a draft may well be intitiated within the next 4 years if McCain is elected. You can’t simply keep sending present military members back for their fifth, tenth and fifteenth tours.
I don’t see the humor in the cartoon, because the reality of McCain’s 100 years of war is hundreds or thousands of casualties a year for decades. That is not funny to me.
Alexandra said: It’s not the danger they object to — it’s the unnecessary danger.
Basically that’s the point isn’t it? What’s necessary?
As long as there is evil in the world, there naturally will be disagreement on how to fight evil. People watch murder for entertainment, and even pay for it. Nations can do the same – as is happening now in Darfur. So what’s necessary is a very important decision, and action is not to be undertaken lightly. There’s a congressional record that tells a story of how we, as a people, arrived at that decision.
The morality of all wars will be debated until the Sovereign Lord comes and puts an end to all wars.
Don’t get me wrong – war is severely ugly. But I served when the hostages were taken in Tehran and we didn’t halt them immediately. Given that inaction, it shaped OBL’s perspective, as well as many jihadists. It’s not that difficult to see a disrespect for the US military which lead to a string of escalating incidences that climaxed with 9/11.
There’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that the heroic efforts of our soldiers, and the lack of returning victorious jihadists has produced a new found respect for the US military and by extension, the American people, among numerous young radicals in the 10/40 window.
With that – tell the members of your family who have done a tour in Iraq: thank you on behalf of my family for their service, and sacrifices. And I would gratefully look them in the eye, shake their hand, and personally thank them for their efforts.
Because there’s a lot of grateful people in Iraq doing exactly that.
This was a spoof of the above video I found on youtube, and it was so funny…just had to share.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-wdxtE32mQ&feature=related
Can someone please give me an article about exactly where McCain stated he would see to it that we stay in Iraq for the next hundred years??
The trip was good. The taping of the show went really well. They had flown people in from across the country to tape and finished up in 2 days. Whew. My show was first and I was glad to be done and then sit and watch the ins and outs of a tv studio. Crazy, man.
Right now I am still trying to process all of the horrifying abortion stories. Of course, God gets all of the glory for His never ending grace given to His children. Some of the stories are hard for me to bear. :(
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Thank you to those who prayed for me and thought of me throughout my trip.
My house is a complete disaster but I will be checking in. I am sorry for the way things went on some threads. Makes me sad to think we can’t just type our opinions and not attack each other.
Missed you all so much!! :)
Well worth the read from someone who’s been there.
Basically that’s the point isn’t it? What’s necessary?
Yes, that is the point. And I guess the point of the video — and of many of the people who disagree with the war — is that the Iraq war is an unnecessary sacrifice, one we are not willing to make.
People will always disagree; the trick is to balance the disagreement in such a way that it doesn’t further divide the country. Most people disagreed with intervening in WWII before Pearl Harbor. Fortunately FDR was able to prepare the country for war so that once he had enough support, he could intervene. It’s a tragedy that we waited so long to step in, but I don’t know that we would have been successful in the war effort if he had taken the country to war without support of the general population. So I guess all you can do is give people access to information, and expect the president to balance what he feels is right against the wishes of his population.
As I flew to Texas, I had the opportunity to thank many servicemen. It was a privilege to show my gratitude to those that serve our country to protect my freedom to come on a blog such as this and type away…
They were more than humble in accepting my thanks and one also told me he was proud to serve and would go back in a second.
Also, I was told the Iraqi’s LOVE them and are so glad that the US of A is there to protect them as they get their government going.
They appreciated all of the cards, letters, packages, photos, and presents that continue to be mailed over. :)
Alexandra 9:59am
Whoever we choose to blame is irrelevant. People put their lives on the line daily facing what one could rightfully call unnecessary danger.
Again, whether or not the military can “have” her son is ultimately her son’s decision, which is what makes this video rather ridiculous to begin with.
In fact Alexandra the city I lived in did have a spate of police officers dying in senseless shootings, one was even paralyzed and blinded. My brother joined this force at the time. My mother was obviously not thrilled.
I don’t recall the police chief being informed my mothers, mine included, that he couldn’t have their sons.
Bystander 10:10am
To my knowledge no one is being drafted into the military either.
A draft may be initiated? A lot of things “may” happen. So far is there any legislation to renew the draft and what is the likelihood of it passing?
Carla,
Correct me if I’m wrong but I understand the Iraqi populace remains armed as well. If so, they could have sent us packing long ago.
Whoever we choose to blame is irrelevant. People put their lives on the line daily facing what one could rightfully call unnecessary danger.
Yes, and that’s the point of the video. It’s an ad meant to underscore the fact that many people (each “one”) find this war an unnecessary risk when it comes to the lives of loved ones — and, implicitly, that those people vote.
In fact Alexandra the city I lived in did have a spate of police officers dying in senseless shootings, one was even paralyzed and blinded. My brother joined this force at the time. My mother was obviously not thrilled.
I don’t recall the police chief being informed my mothers, mine included, that he couldn’t have their sons.
Again, entirely different circumstances. The proper metaphor would be if your mother felt that the police chief, not the criminals, were responsible for the deaths of the police officers, because he had led them into a dangerous situation when it was not necessary to go. It is easier, though not easy, to watch a loved one die because he is fighting evil, than to watch a loved one die because his boss is not thinking hard enough. And obviously the difference between the two is subjective, not objective — but this is the point of the video: to be one face of the many people who feel that our loved ones are dying for reasons that are not good enough, and who will not vote for a candidate who disagrees.
Bethany, lol at the video! I really expected him to say, “you can’t have Bobo, no one can!” and then rip Bobos head off!
Sorry if that was a bit macabre but that’s honestly what I expected : /
Mary 11;08. Since the Iraq war has already lasted longer than WW I and WW II, and since the military is already stretched beyond the breaking point, a draft is a very real possibility, if there is to be a permanent war, involving over 100,000 soldiers in harm’s way.
Those of us who have children of draft age are not laughing.
Mary,
Absolutely! The servicemen I talked with were very proud of the Iraqi police force as well and respect the work they are doing to protect their own people.
My 3 sons will someday be 18 and they just might want to join the service. They may be stationed in a war zone. I would be proud of them, I would pray for their safety and still would support their CHOICE to enlist.
Carla, thanks for your travel and TV tales. It sounds like you feel good afterwards – I certainly hope so.
Thanks Doug. I will personally send you a DVD of the show…if you so desire. :)
Alexandra
Entirely different circumstances? They were very close to the ones you described.
Anyone knew the criminals were responsible, not the chief of police. Officers, including my brother, had to follow the orders of commanding officers who answered to the chief of police. Some officers had safer assignments, others far more dangerous ones.
The point is my mother was one of many who was not thrilled with her son’s choice, but had to accept and respect it.
Again the video just strikes me as ridiculous. Alex will make his own decisions whatever his mother likes. Hopefully he won’t become a criminal.
Bystander 11:13am
The Iraq War doesn’t hold a candle to WWI and WW2 in terms of death and disability and I in no way trivialize the sacrifice of our men and women in service in Iraq, Afghanistan, and on bases around the world. I’m very grateful they aren’t enduring those kinds of casualties.
A permanent war? Just what is that? We’ve had troops stationed in Europe and Japan since WW2. It may very well happen that we station troops on a long term basis in Iraq, it may not.
Concerning the draft, please the legislation pending and the likelihood of it being passed.
Carla, I’m glad that it went well. I will check out the website you listed.
Oh BTW, Dr. Henry Morgentaler, will be receiving the Order of Canada tomorrow on Canada’s 141’st birthday. This is a total scam and such a terrible shame for Canadians, 92% of whom did not want him to receive this honour. He is on his deathbed and this was rammed through.
A girlfriend said this to me:”imagine the difference between here and eternity. He will leave this world getting this award but what awaits him on the other side?”
Morgentaler has admitted to doing 50,000 abortions and makes $10 million/year from his abortion clinics in Canada.
I want to pray for his soul, but God forgive me I cannot at this time bring myself to do this. He has destroyed SO many souls and killed so many babies. He has done so much harm to Canadian society. May God give him whatever it is that he so richly deserves.
Mary 1;11 Since a vote for McCain is a vote for permanent war in Iraq (100 years is permanent), I would say the chance of a draft during a McCain administration is 75% and under an Obama administration is 0%.
Germany, Japan and South Korea have a stable government that has invited our troops to stay, and a populace that accepts their presence. in Iraq, they will always be treated as infidels and be the target of attacks on a daily basis.
Mary 1;11 Since a vote for McCain is a vote for permanent war in Iraq (100 years is permanent)
You mean John McCain could be president for 100 years?
Entirely different circumstances? They were very close to the ones you described.
Mary, I mean the difference between dying for something you believe in — defending freedom and the people of your country, protecting the people of your town, whatever — and dying because someone had an agenda that made war more convenient. Of course in both cases you die, but most people would rather not give their life up for frivolous reasons. Yes, someone robbing a convenience store is frivolous — but protecting the cashier from the burglar is not frivolous. Many people — military families included — feel that the Iraq war is a frivolous gamble with their lives and the lives of people they love, beyond the normal risks a government should take with the lives of some of its finest citizens.
Bethany 1:56 “you mean that John McCain could be president for 100 years?”
No, but it will seem that long.
Bystander 1:50PM
For heaven’s sake he was talking about maintaining a presence, as we are in Germany, Japan, and Korea, not maintaining an ongoing war.
By the way we are still in Kuwait as well and have been for the past 17 years.
Also please check your history Bystander. The populations of these countries have not always been thrilled about our presence and their “stable” governments didn’t pop up the day after war ended. There were years of instability, fighting, and civil discord. There was even lamenting over how we had “lost the peace” in post war Germany because there was so much chaos and loathing of American troops.
Post war Germany would remain a flashpoint between the Soviet Unions and the U.S. and our allies long after “peace” was declared after WW2.
Our troops will always be regarded as infidels and subject to attack? Carla confirmed in her post that the Iraqi populace is armed, as well as are their own police and army. They could have sent us packing long ago.
Alexandra 2:08PM
My very elderly mother has a saying “I’ve witnessed more wars in my lifetime than I can count and I never saw one that did anyone a damned bit of good”.
Any veteran will tell you there is no “noble” or “glorious” war. They were and are all “damned dirty business”.
I think that sums it up. Yet we have men and women ready to answer their country’s call and we will continue to debate if a war was “right” or not. I still hear debates and various perspectives on the American Revolution, Civil, and first and second world wars.
Whatever motivates and individual soldier, police officer, and firefighter to put their lives on the line for us I will never know. I’m only very thankful they do.
Mary 2:16
How many US troops have been killed and injured during post-war occupation in Germany, Japan and South Korea?
Yes, the Iraqi people are armed. They have killed nearly 5000 and wounded 30,000 of our troops so far. Extrapolate that over the next 100 years, and you will approximate the US casualties of WW II. Any occupation of Iraq will be an ongoing war, as there will be daily attacks on the troops, unlike the peacetime occupations of Japan, Germany and South Korea.
Since you apparently want a 100 year war/occupation of Iraq, you should be prepared to face the logical consequences.
I favor givng all of the “chicken hawks” who want constant wars, that other have to fight, a weapon and drop them in the middle of the battle. That might change their minds.
Patricia,
It sickens me that Morgentaler is receiving the Order of Canada.
I will pray for him.
Don’t get me wrong – war is severely ugly. But I served when the hostages were taken in Tehran and we didn’t halt them immediately. Given that inaction, it shaped OBL’s perspective, as well as many jihadists. It’s not that difficult to see a disrespect for the US military which lead to a string of escalating incidences that climaxed with 9/11.
Chris, that is a good example. I was sorry Carter’s planned extraction didn’t work out due to weather and perhaps lack of planning.
My opinion there was that we should have in effect said, “Let them go. Let them go, or we’re coming.” And of course we’d have to mean it.
There’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that the heroic efforts of our soldiers, and the lack of returning victorious jihadists has produced a new found respect for the US military and by extension, the American people, among numerous young radicals in the 10/40 window.
Chris, there are many things here. On one hand I see that the world is much more against the US now than in the first Gulf War. Yet I also feel that with hardcore religious extremists like Al Queda, etc., the bottom line often comes to just making them unable to wage war, and that’s usually just destroying all their stuff and/or killing them.
On their own, some of our enemies really do only respect force and power – all the talking by the US gov’t doesn’t mean squat. And despite the US’s 200+ years of existence, in the Middle East we are still viewed as an upstart country with no rightful claim to impact “our elders” over there, regardless of our current position in the world and however righteous we think we are.
If some nut is willing to die trying to do what the mullahs tell him to, that’s mighty hard to defend against.
……
With that – tell the members of your family who have done a tour in Iraq: thank you on behalf of my family for their service, and sacrifices. And I would gratefully look them in the eye, shake their hand, and personally thank them for their efforts.
Well said. One of my brothers was in both Gulf Wars, in the Air Force, now retired – he had 24 or 25 years in.
He was conflicted the second time around, feeling somewhat like Alexandra’s family – that it’s a waste and that it wasn’t handled properly. He said there was a lot of that sentiment around, but also plenty of feeling that the US is right and that it’s the duty they signed up for.
And he tried like heck, though it was frustrating. This last time he was at a big airbase in an engineering and instructing capacity, and it was very tough to get everybody on the same page, military, Iraqis and civilian contractors, to get all the proper clearances and have everybody show up for work, willing to work.
In the early going there were a few Scud missiles that landed within a mile of him – some nights it was hard to sleep – and plenty hot, sometimes 120 degrees.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RjPgfO2_Kw
Hilarious.
Bystander 2:52PM
Its hard to know since there were often news blackouts. My uncle served in the South Pacific during WW2 and said that even after “peace” was declared, American troops were killed in numbers far exceeding Iraq. He told me the American public was never informed of this. They were allowed to blissfully believe all was well.
Again Bystander, look at the numbers of troops killed and maimed winning those wars, Iraq isn’t even close, and I couldn’t be more thankful.
As of July 2007, the Iraqi population was approximately 27,500,000. The most they could kill and wound over a 5 year period were 5,000 and 30,000 troops respectively?(BTW, the number of U.S. citizens murdered in 2006 was 17,034) They’re either lousy shots or not that determined to send us packing. Also there were foreign born jihadists, one was a Jordanian named Zarqawi who’s group was responsible for blowing up wedding guests at a Jordanian hotel, coming to Iraq to fight. Those opposing us included other than Iraqi citizens, though of course not always.
I never said I wanted a 100 year war/occupation of Iraq and I don’t agree it will have the dire consequences you predict.
Believe me Bystander, a few times we almost came to nuclear war with the Soviets during our 60+ post war occupation of Germany so there was little “peace” in the years following WW2. There were also continued skirmishes in Korea and we now have the nuclear armed dictator of North Korea to worry about.
As you can see there is little in the way of “peace”, there always have been and will be battles going on somewhere “chickenhawks” or not. By the way, in another 37 years we will have been in Germany and Japan 100 years.
Doug 3:27PM
My take on that hostage crisis was that the world as a whole, and the Iranians in particular, had absolutely no respect for or fear of Jimmy Carter. He tried too hard to be “just folks” when he should have acted like a leader.
I don’t for a minute believe the Iranians would have pulled that stunt with the Russian or Chinese embassies.
I think the Iranians releasing the hostages on Reagan’s inaugaral day served two purposes.
It humiliated Carter, and it allowed the Iranians, who I am convinced feared and respected Reagan, a face saving way out.
Mary, agreed on the timing of the release.
The hostages were there so long, 444 days, that it really bummed me out.
I thought Carter was an idiot for boycotting the Olympics too. He’s a very good man, but IMO not hard-nosed enough for the Presidency.
I wonder if the Iranian students would have tried it with the Jamaican embassy.
Doug 4:48PM
I’m convinced the Russians or Chinese would have blown the Iranians into the next dimension. The Jamaican embassy??
I suppose Carter was a nice enough guy and tried too hard to project that image, an image that dictators and tyrants do not respect or fear. He was definitely not a leader.
The 444 days. How well I remember Walter Cronkite and his nightly countdown.
My take on that hostage crisis was that the world as a whole, and the Iranians in particular, had absolutely no respect for or fear of Jimmy Carter. He tried too hard to be “just folks” when he should have acted like a leader.
I don’t for a minute believe the Iranians would have pulled that stunt with the Russian or Chinese embassies.
I think the Iranians releasing the hostages on Reagan’s inaugaral day served two purposes.
It humiliated Carter, and it allowed the Iranians, who I am convinced feared and respected Reagan, a face saving way out.
Posted by: Mary at June 30, 2008 4:23 PM
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Iranians disliked the US government for their interference in Iranian politics. Especially the support of the Shah. When Carter reluctantly allowed the Shah to visit the US for medical treatment and refused to turn the Shah over to Iran to stand trial, Iranians retaliated.
It had nothing to do with Carter’s ‘folksy style’ but rather a percieved continuation of support, by the US, for a disposed dictator and human rights criminal.
Sally,
I agree with the “reasons” the Iranians did this.
The Iranians had absolutely no respect for or fear of Carter. You can’t project the image of trying to be a nice guy and think the world will respect you.
Act like a leader and while they may intensely dislike you, they will know you are not one to be trifled with.
I’m convinced the Iranians did not want to deal with Ronald Reagan, who they knew wasn’t out to be everyone’s friend. The inauguration release was face saving for them, and a final humiliation to Jimmy Carter.
“…cause you can’t have him.”
If my mom were that posessive over me at age 18, I would be totally embarrased.
Sure, the kid is about 1 1/2 there, but when that kid turns 18 he will no longer be a kid and he will be a legal adult and able to make his own decisions.
And regarding the draft (which must be what she is referring to), the government does have the right to draft young men through the Selective Service System ages 20 through 26.
Patricia,
It sickens me that Morgentaler is receiving the Order of Canada.
I will pray for him.
Posted by: Carla at June 30, 2008 2:54 PM
You are a better woman than I Carla! But then we all know that! :-D
I just looked up this Morgentaler guy, what a bad charater. He’s killed quite a few babies, 5,000 illegal abortions under his belt too.
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“Morgentaler has an estimated gross annual revenue of $11 million from his abortion clinics, according to research published in the Quebec/Franco-Ontarian paper Le Droit on Saturday, October 26, 2002.”
Patricia,
I will stand in the gap for you. :) I don’t know much about Morgentaler. Can you pray for SoMG? That is a tough one for me.
Jasper,
The show went really well!! Should have the DVD in a couple of weeks. Thanks for asking.
Alex is one of the cutest little babies in the whole wide world!!!!
I wonder if they are “actors” or biological mother and child”?
I was wondering the same thing Janet. Wondering if they were both actors. :)
I saw quite a few of the ones against Moveon.org. Babies and their mommies. They are pretty good! Pretty cute babies too!
It’s interesting how on a “pro-life” site we have this pro-war cartoon. Don’t think the Pope would approve. But be that as it may, the Moveon ad is really simple, childish, and uneffective except for people who are already in the anti-war camp. And who knows what kind of legitimate war we may be fighting 20 years from now that we do really need young Alex? The Moveon people need more clever writers…