JivinJ’s Life Links 9-12-08
by JivinJ
The more serious problem for Joe Biden at this point is not the loss of his credibility as a Catholic, but as a person of conscience. When you say on national television that you agree with your Church that abortion is murder, but that you intend to support legislation that keeps abortion fully available, you leave voters wondering why you would support a right to what you consider to be murder….
Hence I have always frankly admitted that abortion is murder, the extermination of the powerless by the powerful. Liberals for the most part have shrunk from facing the ethical consequences of their embrace of abortion, which results in the annihilation of concrete individuals and not just clumps of insensate tissue. The state in my view has no authority whatever to intervene in the biological processes of any woman’s body, which nature has implanted there before birth and hence before that woman’s entrance into society and citizenship….
It is nonsensical and counterproductive for Democrats to imagine that pro-life values can be defeated by maliciously destroying their proponents. And it is equally foolish to expect that feminism must for all time be inextricably wed to the pro-choice agenda. There is plenty of room in modern thought for a pro-life feminism — one in fact that would have far more appeal to third-world cultures where motherhood is still honored and where the Western model of the hard-driving, self-absorbed career woman is less admired.
Life sciences executives in Boston said yesterday that it is difficult for stem-cell research firms to secure funding because their work focuses on unproven and potentially controversial science.
But those same executives also said Advanced Cell Technology’s trouble could be linked to its history of making scientific claims that later could not be substantiated.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
OK, does anyone else refresh the home page and momentarily freak out when a new post is suddenly just THERE? It’s like a “WTH…NEW?” moment.
i love it! it is like christmas morning all over again!
Haha yeah anonymous, I always get excited when that happens.:)
As for Dr. Iliketokillbabies Andre Lalonde, I can’t believe the man is actually saying it would be a *bad* thing for more women to choose life for their babies with DS. I guess he has made himself pretty clear that he doesn’t actually support “choice”, just “eugenics”.
Lauren, if so, then agreed that he’s not “pro-choice,” at least not there.
I don’t see that as his call, any more than him telling a woman with an unwanted pregnancy that she “shouldn’t” have an abortion.
Camille Paglia said this, “Hence I have always frankly admitted that abortion is murder, the extermination of the powerless by the powerful. Liberals for the most part have shrunk from facing the ethical consequences of their embrace of abortion, which results in the annihilation of concrete individuals and not just clumps of insensate tissue.”
As much as I disagree with Camille’s pro-choice views, at least I think she is being honest.
Abortion is murder.
Abortion is the powerful exercising their power over the powerless.
And babies in the womb are not globs of non-viable insentient tissue and cells.
So, proaborts out there: Stop trying to advance your cause by saying that God doesn’t exist, that abortion isn’t murder, it’s not a baby, etc., etc., etc.
I’m not afraid of the truth so why are you?
Whooops, that first Anonymous is me. My bad.
“Dr. Andre Lalonde, executive vice president of the Society of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in Ottawa, is worried all the news surrounding Sarah Palin and her son Trig will have an “implication for abortion issues in Canada,” namely women in Canada choosing not to abort their children diagnosed with Down syndrome.”
Sicko.
So it’s “Yeah, abortion is the killing of innocent, vulnerable people. Yes, its support in the Democratic party is utterly confounding. We don’t care.”
That makes sense…sure…
Didja hear? Now Obama has an ad which makes fun of McCain for not being able to use a computer. Why can’t McCain use a computer? Because the physical disabilities he has from being TORTURED FOR FIVE AND A HALF YEARS make it very painful for him to type on a keyboard.
Barack Obama: A miserable failure in every way. Let’s hope that some veteran or POW group makes Obama pay for being so stupid as to release an ad like that.
John-
Did you hear? McCain’s new ad is all misquotes or the removal of quotations from context (including a compliment!)
Dan, I haven’t seen the ad so I can’t comment to it directly, but from what I’ve seen *all* political adds are removal of quotations from context.
Have you seen Obama’s newest ad? “Uh…McCain is OLD!!!!LOL!!!”
Dan, I figured that an anti-American rickp-ay like you wouldn’t care that your god Obama made an ad which makes fun of an American hero for his disabilities which he incurred fighting for this country and rotting in a foreign prison as a POW.
So Canadians must really look up to Alaskans. Cuz Alaskans are just like Canadians, but slightly more American. ;-)
Honestly I don’t believe Sarah Palin’s personal choices would affect so many people (American or not) in such a strong way. “Well, if this person, who makes way more money than me, can raise a special needs child, well, by golly so can I!” I really don’t see this issue as being able to be “trend-setting”. It’s a very personal, family to family thing.
John-
the intent was never about his injuries, you know it as well as I do. Fact is that in todays world you need to be able to work a computer and know how to do things like write and send an e-mail, it’s important now. They have technologies for people who are completely paralyzed to work a computer, McCain (or any other politician currently in Congress for that matter) can afford to make use of what’s out there that allows those with physical handicaps to use a computer. He shouldn’t be joking around about it or brushing it off as president, you deal with even MORE technology, if for naught more but communications, in that position I would dare say.
wow, sorry about the lack of punctuation in the last part of that post. Got sidetracked and I’m pretty tired.
I read the Dr. Lalonde statement a few days ago in the press. It’s pretty sad but pretty normal for Canada. We don’t seem to mind killing healthy babies so why would we worry about Down Syndrome babies. He seemed sort of upset that Ms Palin even considered having her Down baby. (the nerve of her!)
There is an elderly woman in my church who attends Sunday Mass with her son who has Down Syndrome. I’m betting he is in his late 50’s – he has Down Syndrome moderately, I would guess.
We also met my middle daughter’s girlfriend’s uncle who has DS and he was absolutely wonderful. He would catch the stray soccer balls that were kicked out of play during the soccer playoff games. At one point he exclaimed, “I just love that ball!”.
While I would not wish anyone to have DS, I believe people with DS make our world a much kinder place. I remember him comforting my older daughter whose team got creamed. He helped at that game too!
Lalonde: you are a shallow, pathetic man and a discredit to the profession.
lauren-
I heard about it, haven’t seen it. MA isn’t exactly a key state, lol. But I did think it was a bit ridiculous and as long as he doesnt go off and accidentally letting nukes fly with his ignorance I’m fine with it. But I still dont think he should be joking about it or brushing it off.
I think I mentioned both ads in another thread where it was off topic, so it may not have gotten that attention.
Lauren-
no, most at least have some sort of grain of truth to them, this one has none once so ever. I dont even think any of the quotations they use were said by Obama himself. One I believe was a staff person who was making a joke and one was biden complimenting Palin. I know the ad was already thoroughly debunked as misleading by everyone out there, wouldn’t be surprised if it’s already on snopes. Might have to check…
Dan, your little tin god really stepped in it this time. McCain is actually very tech-savvy. From Forbes, back in 2000:
“In certain ways, McCain was a natural Web candidate. Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee and regarded as the U.S. Senate’s savviest technologist, McCain is an inveterate devotee of email. His nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy. The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop. “She’s a whiz on the keyboard, and I’m so laborious,” McCain admits.”
http://www.forbes.com/asap/2000/0529/053_print.html
JKeller:
So it’s OK for Obama and Michelle, who pretty much went to Ivy League schools because of affirmative action and on the public dole, are better examples of the Amercian Dream? And then who have the unmitigated gall to say they’ve never been proud of this country and go to a church whose pastor curses America?
You really do hate this country don’t you?
And Obama is so quick to note how he took a $12,000 job as a community organizer instead of going to Wall St.? Yeah, forget that, I’ll run for President someday and make millions like the Clintons. Don’t forget that he now makes how much per year as a US Senator and on top of that his wife’s salary, yeah the faux stay-at-home mom? Who in the hell do these people think they are kidding? Oh yeah, you.
They are like communist leaders who sit in power living lavish lifestyles but refuse to let all but their cronies enjoy the fruits of their labor and that while supporting and promoting the murder of innocent children in the womb. The hottest and deepest parts of hell are reserved for people like this.
I’m sure Dr. Lalonde thinks this was a wasted attempt:
Man drowns saving son with Down Syndrome:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/sep/08091209.html
Umm, did you mean to address that to me HisMan? Because it seems extremely off the point of my post.
But anyway it’s unfair to say African Americans got into good schools simply because of Affirmative Action and not on their own merit, unless you were on the admissions board or otherwise extremely privy to the information.
“They are like communist leaders who sit in power living lavish lifestyles but refuse to let all but their cronies enjoy the fruits of their labor and that while supporting and promoting the murder of innocent children in the womb. The hottest and deepest parts of hell are reserved for people like this.”
That reminds me of Obama’s spiritual mentor Jeremiah Wright, who preaches about how evil white men are keeping black people poor while he prepares to move in to his new million dollar mansion in a 90%+ white neighborhood.
“The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type.”
Interesting, the drudgereport has the story too about how McCain has trouble typing because of his injuries.
..and Obama is making fun of him?
Obama, you fool. Take your Daily Kos buddies and stick them where the sun don’t shine.
Jasper, check this out:
http://pawatercooler.com/?p=6145
Too bad Obama’s people don’t know how to type or fix errors on a computer.
Honestly I don’t believe Sarah Palin’s personal choices would affect so many people (American or not) in such a strong way. “Well, if this person, who makes way more money than me, can raise a special needs child, well, by golly so can I!” I really don’t see this issue as being able to be “trend-setting”. It’s a very personal, family to family thing.
Posted by: JKeller at September 12, 2008 8:50 PM
On average, how much more (if anything) does it cost to raise a Downs Syndrome child compared to one without a disability? Is this the reason doctors encourage aborting DS children?
I have no idea, as I’m not a doctor. But I would imagine that finances would be an issue with women of low income and mid low income. I know a lot of people with adult children that they definitely could not support if their children couldn’t support themselves financially. It’s something I think people really think about when they find out their child has a disability. Not everyone has a strong support system.
About the Obama ad, it was a very stupid idea to go for and will cost the campaign votes. The main point they were expressing is that McCain is Old and doesn’t use a computer.
Aside from getting the facts wrong on how internet saavy McCain is as well as his physical limitation – it also mocks potential voters for Obama. Funny thing about the voting population is that older folks tend to vote. And many Americans don’t use computers — in fact over 80 million US citizens don’t use a computer. Now Obama has insulted those folks.
Stupid is as stupid does.
I’m so glad that the Paglia article has come up. I always read her columns. She is an honest writer who I disagree with on many, many issues — but she puts it all out there.
What do the pro-aborts think of her comments on abortion?
JKeller:
Uh, excuse me sir, are you implying that Affirmative Action didn’t work?
So Obama and Michele’s parents did have money for Occidental and Harvard?
My son was offered scholarships at both (O – 26k/yr and H – 46k/yr) but couldn’t stand the stuffed shirt wackos that went there. Oh, so you missed that school day where they taught inductive reasoning?
No, my post is right on the money buddy.
But why was it directed at me? That was my question. My previous post had nothing to do with Barack or Michelle Obama, their higher education, or my “hatred” for America. It was about the unlikelihood that Sarah Palin will make having Down’s babies trendy.
(And you can get scholarships to attend college without either having to be a spoiled rich kid or a minority charity case)
JKELLER
You are right on.. the conservative right has failed taking care of people. I don’t understand..The elephant in the room is so large.. I think we are dealing with a magnificent sense of hypocrisy.
How can one consider themselves pro-life if they refuse to assist the disabled and the poor.
How can one justify the budget cuts in our government made explicitly by the conservative right?
How does one understand lower rates of abortion under the Clinton administration, when they actually did assist with helping poor mothers?
These are real issues.
And lets not forget that Mcain is not going to change the Roe Vs Wade..and he isn’t going to change healthcare or assistance to the families that need it…
But wait…he may make sure the folks making over 250,000 dollars don’t get taxed.
I have been there…I have a disabled child..I have been refused assistance..I have watched my child slowly decline as the system failed him.
And I am pro-life..just in more ways than one. And I have to look at the bigger picture…
you people are sick. It’s difficult to fathom how people could get so messed up in the head. If you don’t want to have an abortion, don’t have one–but don’t tell anyone else what to do with their bodies.
Get some help.
“… you people are sick. It’s difficult to fathom how people could get so messed up in the head. If you don’t want to have an abortion, don’t have one–but don’t tell anyone else what to do with their bodies.”
Sigh…do I even need to do this?
Ah what the heck….
If you dont want to murder/rob somebody, dont do it–but dont tell anyone else what to do with their bodies.
Makes as much sense doesnt it nevermind?
Rightnow:
What disability does your child have and in what state do you live?
In general, the programs that help disabled people are administered by the state and funded by the Federal government. So, I find it odd that your blaming the Feds. I’ll bet anything you live in a Dem state.
This too…you listen to too many Liberals who prey on people like you and your situation.
Have you tried any charitable organizations? There are tons and tons of private 501c3’s that help all types of people with all kinds of conditions. I know. I happen to be on two boards of these types of organization.
So before you try to use your sob story to try to convince someone to vote for Obama, a baby killer, I suggest you give us some facts.
Either do that or we’ll just conisder you to be just another Liberal hack.
In fact, go ahead and give your e-mail address to Jill to send to me and I’ll bet you anything I can get you some help with your disabled child. Now that offer comes from a right-wing conservative Republican. Have any of the Libs on the sie offered you any help?
Hisman, your condescending attitude is glaring. You can offer help without being so obviously patronizing.
Ms. Paglia said, “The state in my view has no authority whatever to intervene in the biological processes of any woman’s body…”
Ms. Paglia, does the state have the authority to intervene in the biological processes of any man’s body? Modern rapists do not discriminate when they fulfill their biological processes. Do you discriminate against men who are rapists? Should the state be unjust?
Ms. Paglia, does a woman have the authority to intervene in the biological processes of her own body? When she pays an abortionist to kill her child, she frustrates the biological processes of her own body. She violates her own body. Certainly such violence is unhealthy.
Ms. Paglia, does a mother have the authority to intervene in the biological processes of her child’s body? If so, why? Certainly the aborting mother does so intervene.
But I think I know Ms. Paglia’s justification. Her religion is a mixture of secular humanism, evolutionism, paganism, materialism, etc. She defines murder as the extermination of the powerless by the powerful. The state has no authority to intervene because as author of her child she has the authority to do with it what she wishes. The potter has power over the clay. She is god, and she is making the child in her own image. If she wishes to discard a beautiful work, she may be making a wrong decision, but the decision is hers to make.
Ms. Paglia said that nature implanted biological processes in a woman’s body “before [her] birth and hence before that woman’s entrance into society and citizenship.” No, Ms. Paglia, God implanted those processes.
In the Christian religion, a husband and wife do exercise god-like powers when they conceive a child in their image. (Eve, after all, means life.) Over them, however, is God. And He made them in His image. And He retains the rights to their progeny. And He has made the state one of His ministers. He gave the state the authority to punish every kind of murder.
“Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed,
For in the image of God
He made man.”
God is both just and loving. Authorities like the state are to imitate His justice. I am to love my neighbour. Sometimes those who are nearest to me are the hardest to love. Those mothers who love their children so much that they don’t want them to suffer (and so abort them) must remember that love to God is greater than all other loves. “You shall not kill.”
Jon —
I agree with you on the sacredness of life entirely.
I was struck at how Paglia admits that abortion is murder and challenges other pro-aborts to admit it. I also wondered what they think of her call for the inclusion of pro-life women in feminism.
HISMAN.
You have failed in your response and knowledge… Actually, I live in one of the most conservative states..in our country… (actually… the most conservative). The home of George W…
The ONLY people that I can find that actually make a difference…are yes..wait..hold your breath …The liberals.
And actually..this site has failed to recognize that there are liberals that are moral-anti-abortionists working for a bigger and greater cause.
My hope, is that those of you that remain loyal to your party can start looking forward into the world of the People that are actually hurting… It sounds to me, like you have no idea what you are talking about.. I feel sorry for you.. because for those of us who live, fight for it and know it..we can see through what you say.
You are severely misinformed..and once again you have the proved your ignorance…
My regards.
Hisman, your condescending attitude is glaring. You can offer help without being so obviously patronizing.
I think Hisman was being more skeptical than patronizing. And rightly so. Rightnow came on here and made right out of the blue, made some very large and uncalled for generalizations about “the conservative right”, wrongly implying we all don’t care about disabled children.
In my opinion, he may not have really looked into the matter fully (assuming his story is true), as there are multitudes of conservative sources where he could get help for his child. Churches, organizations, etc are more than willing to give free help with no strings attached.
Allow me to get right to the point, since I’m the only one obnoxious enough to speak the truth in this case:
Rightnow is nothing but a partisan liar and a Democratic Party hack.
That’s all that needs to be said.
Rightnow —
You are truly off-base. Conservatives are more generous by a large margin. We work locally and directly to make change in lives — as opposed to creating impersonal government agencies and programs to do the work.
This difference is well documented in Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism by Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University.
— Although liberal families’ incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).
— Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.
— Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.
— Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.
— In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.
One highlight for you, “Austin {TX]– it voted 56 percent for Kerry while he was getting just 38 percent statewide — is ranked by The Chronicle of Philanthropy as 48th out of America’s 50 largest cities in per capita charitable giving.http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html
The release of the Bidens’ tax statement shows a marked lack of charity also. “Sen. Joe Biden and his wife, Jill, have given an average of $369 per year to charities during the past decade, according to tax returns posted today on Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign Web site, The Chronicle’s Government and Politics Watch column reports.”http://philanthropy.com/news/government/index.php?id=5685
Conservatives believe that charity begins at home, while many liberal believe it begins in someone else’s pocket.
rightnow,
I have a son with special needs in TX as well, and I’ve actually found that the “liberaL” institutions have done a very poor job at helping us.
I think that everyone, liberal or conservative, needs to do more to help children.
For example, I tried to get my 3 year old an IEP for special-ed services, but the (liberal)Austin ISD has completely drug its feet. However, I am thankful for the mostly liberals who have instituted such programs as SSI for disabled children. This has helped us immensely because of the mountains of medical bills my son has incured.
I believe that we should have a government system set up to catch those who would not otherwise be able to get insurance, but that it shouldn’t be an overreaching government healthcare plan for everyone. I actually liked Hillary’s plan for having the government simply enter into the free market as a contender.
Anyways, conservatives help special needs children mostly through volunteer work and donations. While I think this is good, I do think that there is more that we can do.
I’m sorry you haven’t had much luck with finding services for your child. Hopefully having a vp w/ a special needs child will help to make things better for all special needs kids.
Well said, LB.
When the church put it’s hand in the central \ south american dirty war in the 1970’s it lost moral credibility. When it condones the participation of its membership in acts of war, it looses moral credibility. It is not an actual pro-life organization, but rather a political organization using the pro-life mantle as a wedge issue. How much more warped can you get than that?
As for making claims that are unsubstantiated, if you want to see a text book example of that, look at Palin’s claim of having visited Iraq (something McCain chided Obama for not having done).
Um, Yolatango, maybe you could find me a quote where Sarah Palin said that she visited Iraq? You won’t find it.
By the way, Palin’s aides (not Sarah herself, btw) said from the beginning that it was a refueling trip (And that was not a lie!) when they were responding to media questions about Palin’s out of country travels.
They said the same thing from the beginning and it still remains true.
You are distorting the truth delibrately and spreading lies.
Want to talk about unsubstantiated claims? this should keep you entertained for a while:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
“I’m so glad that the Paglia article has come up. I always read her columns. She is an honest writer who I disagree with on many, many issues — but she puts it all out there. What do the pro-aborts think of her comments on abortion?”
Posted by: LB at September 12, 2008 10:09 PM
I agree with Paglia’s assertion that to abort is to take a life, but I am still strongly pro-choice. Or pro-abort, as you call it. I already explained how/why I feel this way on a previous post and you imagine how well THAT went over…so anyway, there’s an answer to your question.
Danielle, are you “pro-choice” on infanticide?
Okay. So the issue of Palin not having visited Iraq is small potatos… but what about the dirty war in central and south america? Pope support all the way, american support all the way. Apparently Jesus loves everyone, but anyone who stands in the way of capitalism has to die.