JivinJ’s Life Links 9-8-08
by JivinJ
Probably… what I intended to say is that, as a Christian, I have a lot of humility about understanding when does the soul enter into…. It’s a pretty tough question.
The soul enters into…. what exactly? The living human body, perhaps?
I’d say, “Look, I know when it begins for me.” It’s a personal and private issue. For me, as a Roman Catholic, I’m prepared to accept the teachings of my church.
But let me tell you. There are an awful lot of people of great confessional faiths – Protestants, Jews, Muslims, and others – who have a different view. They believe in God as strongly as I do. They’re intensely as religious as I am religious. They believe in their faith and they believe in human life, and they have differing views as to when life – I’m prepared as a matter of faith to accept that life begins at the moment of conception.
But that is my judgment. For me to impose that judgment on everyone else who is equally and maybe even more devout than I am seems to me is inappropriate in a pluralistic society.
And I know you get the push back, “Well, what about fascism?” Everybody, you know, you going to say fascism’s all right? Fascism isn’t a matter of faith. No decent religious person thinks fascism is a good idea.
When will people stop acting like the question, “When does the life of a human being begin?” is a question that different people can have different correct answers to?
Biden would “impose his judgement” on religious people in our pluralistic society on any number of given issues yet on the issue of when life begins, his judgement is suddenly not worthy of being imposed.
I wish Brokaw’s follow-up question had been phrased like this, “So your judgment is that the unborn are living human beings but you still think it should be legal to kill these living human beings?”
Later that day, Ms. Palin sent an e-mail message to her relatives and close friends about her new son, Ms. Bruce said. She signed it, “Trig’s Creator, Your Heavenly Father.”
“Many people will express sympathy, but you don’t want or need that, because Trig will be a joy,” Ms. Palin wrote. She added, “Children are the most precious and promising ingredient in this mixed-up world you live in down there on Earth. Trig is no different, except he has one extra chromosome.”
After the abortion in December 2003, Cross resumed sexual activity with the girl until the following July, when K.’s mother came across paperwork from the abortion and summoned police.
A PDF of the court case which includes some horrible details is here. Cross originally took her to an abortion clinic for a pregnancy test and then return for abortion when the mother commented on her daughter’s weight. The abortion clinic then referred them to San Francisco General Hospital because she was so far along.



Here’s some news you might have missed. Democratic Underground put up an eBay listing for Trig as a used prop with the bidding starting at $40.


SO mr. barama,
when your mama,
waz prego wit yo,
wut species embryo,
was hapnin in her utero?
iz da ansur to dat kwession
in yo posession?
Iz yo fo real or is yo jus posin?
Iz yo tellin us true
or iz yo jus slidin thru?
i wanna give yo cred,
iz yo heart beatin,
iz yo brain wavin,
or iz yo ded?
Haz yo forot yo med?
Only the livin has bled!
Dang….how low can you go?
I guess, for the Democrats, nothing is off limits as long as they knock Palin down.
For the Godless Christ-hating dumbocrats there is no bottom other than the Hell they will be thrown into one day.
Ezek,
Can I have the ebay link for that listing?
Hey Doug,
Are you paying attention. It’s not just .000001% of the left…this is happening ALL OVER!
It’s like a veil has been lifted and people that have been in a zombie state are opening their eyes for the first time in years…and saying “Did I sound like that?”
Like Dortothy waking up from her “dream” and saying “And you were there, and you, and you…”
Yeah, this is what you sound like. And have for quite awhile. Amanda Marcotte is not that extreme. That’s what we’ve been trying to tell you. There is so much anger and hate it’s unbelievable. But finally, someone seems to have stumbled on the blind cord and there is a little bit of sunshine entering the room. Take a look around. It ain’t pretty. These are the people whose rights you are protecting. Whose right to bodily autonomy you are willing to kill children for. Get it now?
It’s not and never was about autonomy. It’s about shirking responsibility and having your cake and eating it too, no matter how high the price!
I gotta take a chill pill…
right on, mk.
For the Godless Christ-hating dumbocrats there is no bottom other than the Hell they will be thrown into one day.
Jeeze, Ezek, right from the mouth of Jesus Christ himself, I presume. *huge eye-roll*
You are so full of hate. You need an elephant. I have four. :)
MK: We have opinions that are polar opposites, but I have to admire your passion. You do your cause good.
By the way Elephants > Lemmings
Mullet>Elephants!
To use the phrase of the day: neener, neener, neener
And thanks. I’m not doing a good job of keeping myself in check these days.
It’s not that I mind that people disagree with the candidates, but that they are being so cruel. Yes, you can vote for Obama, you can love what Obama stands for and you can dislike what McCain stands for. I can respect that.
But I swear, I’m ready to send BOTH campaigns a copy of Jill’s Blog Rules…
Hey, just had an idea. Do you think they could use a Moderator??? Can’t pay any less than this job. Even WITH McCain/Palin cuts in spending!
Reign down my Lord, reign down and let your righteousness flood our nation.
I didn’t even put mullets there because they don’t even rank, mk. So yeah. Neener neener neener to you too.
So… in Canada when they get angry at a Prime Minister they just pie him in the face.
I think the States should adopt that noble tradition. No one gets hurt and everyone’s morale is boosted.
HisMan:
God is not righteous. God is righteousness.
God is not benevolent. God is benevolence.
God does not love. God is love.
I see beauty everywhere, and I see God. God is infinite, which means He is everything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entartistes
That’s for the history of the thing, for you intellectuals. For those of us who like some good slapstick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obSuvLrijWo
This is why I live here, actually.
Oopsie, that was me.
HisMan:
“God is not righteous. God is righteousness.
God is not benevolent. God is benevolence.
God does not love. God is love.
I see beauty everywhere, and I see God. God is infinite, which means He is everything.
Posted by: Leah at September 8, 2008 5:05 PM”
Leah:
Please expand on what you mean. Are you advocating pantheism?
Is that ebay listing for real?
Did someone actually sink that low?
And why hasn’t ebay done something about it, or have they?
I would like a link to that.
Here’s the link to the ebay add – or at least as close as you’re gonna get…it was submitted by someone called allknighter.
http://digg.com/users/allknighter
For the record it’s not really on ebay…just a mock up.
Leah —
Do you mean that all is the same and nothing is more or less — just same, same. No truth, no evil just is?
Leah:
God is a lot of things. While the Bible says God is love, it is agape love, not eros or fileo. Look up what the Greek means.
However he is Holy which mean He is separate and apart from everything.
The Bible says He is a consuming fire and a God of wrath. He is not wrath, however, wrath as well as forgiveness are part of His makeup.
God is not in a rock, He created the rock.
God is only IN a person via the Holy Spirit and only through faith and as a separate person of the Godhead and by the invitation of each person.
So, please expand on your definition of what you mean when you say God is everything.
Jill,
Why in the world is there an option on the poll to change your vote?
I’ve never seen that anywhere else.
mk,
There is so much anger and hate it’s unbelievable.
Have you watched Campbell Brown on cable news? She is not a happy camper.
Leah,
your still a wee young to manipulate words in phrases to articulate better. The concepts you’ve expressed are wondrous but they’re too ‘loose’ and can be understood far beyond their intent. I assume this is from an author like, Kahlil Gibran. Pretty words, but meaningless!!!!
“God is not righteous. God is righteousness.
God is not benevolent. God is benevolence.
God does not love. God is love.
I see beauty everywhere, and I see God. God is infinite, which means He is everything.” The top three sentences may give a false illusion of brilliance, but a deep understanding requires some years of prayer and meditation. The concept that ‘God is love.’ was likely from John’s gospel. ((This gospel is filled with uncanny brilliance like this. But to even begin to understand these words as John meant when he wrote them requires an understanding of words as it they were alive.)) Likely the closest I’ve come to this is in Earnest Hemingway’s works and those of Carlo Caretto.
The last sentence is (for me) far too loose. The first three sentences are about relating to God as a being a little different than me. However, because God is everything rather than ‘in’ everything then I-am-God …. because God-is-me.
The relationship between beauty-that-is-seen and God certainly seems to be a classical preoccupation of the God-human experience. However, the infinity of God is often understood as His ‘otherness’. His ‘closeness’ is one of the faith axioms of Christianity.
Olberman and Rachael Maddow are mocking Sarah Palin because she prays.
Jasper @ 8:04,
Maybe we could mock them because they make fun of people for a living – but that wouldn’t be very nice.
I like Rachael Maddow’s TV presence but I don’t know her “politics” to comment on that.
HisMan: No, not at all. I am not a pantheist. I am a theist, or a deist, if you will. I believe that God, rather than having these personality traits embodies these things and therefore touches our lives daily. I am not trying to argue with you, just contribute my own two cents. I think God is so much more than just a benevolent, righteous guy. He IS these things, which is what makes Him GREAT.
John: No, those are my words. As for Khalil Gibran, his words do have meaning, but you have to look more into them than just read at the surface.
Again. Not interested in argument. Just saying.
Food time. I am huuuuungry. Haven’t eaten since 5:20 in the am. Ciao, tutti.
Biden would “impose his judgement” on religious people in our pluralistic society on any number of given issues yet on the issue of when life begins, his judgement is suddenly not worthy of being imposed.
This is Stockholm Syndrome.
After the abortion in December 2003, Cross resumed sexual activity with the girl until the following July, when K.’s mother came across paperwork from the abortion and summoned police.
Very horribly bad case. Just revolting.
Biden says – “For me to impose that judgment on everyone else…”
I wonder if Biden is at least going to impose his religious beliefs on himself and vote pro-life from now on.
Leah’s just quoting Khalil Gibran, a wannabe theologian who is adored by other wannaba theologians and who liked to spout nonsense about how all religions lead to God. Yep, according to Gibran, Wahhabism and Wicca lead to God just as well as Judaism and Christianity do. After all, ALL religious led to God! I would guess that includes even Satanism!
People who are interested in reading REAL religious philosophy should read C.S. Lewis and G.K. Chesterton. People who are interested in meaningless pseudo-intellectual fluff should read Gibran.
I wonder if Biden is at least going to impose his religious beliefs on himself and vote pro-life from now on.
Posted by: Steve Hickey at September 8, 2008 9:54 PM
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Biden is a public servant. He is paid to represent his constituents not his church.
Should Mr. Biden represent his preborn constituents, Sally? Actually I believe that politicians are responsible first of all to God. Some day they will all give account to God (not to the Church) for their ministry.
He is paid to represent his constituents not his church.
Is he even doing that? Are the majority of his constituents pro-choice. And if they are, do most of them at least support various restrictions on abortion? (I’ll bet they do).
But that is my judgment. For me to impose that judgment on everyone else who is equally and maybe even more devout than I am seems to me is inappropriate in a pluralistic society.
And I know you get the push back, “Well, what about fascism?” Everybody, you know, you going to say fascism’s all right? Fascism isn’t a matter of faith. No decent religious person thinks fascism is a good idea.
First of all to compare the beliefs of the Catholic faith with FASCISM is absolutely despicable. Biden is NO Catholic in my mind.
I think Bishop Chaput probably made as good a rejoinder to Biden’s remarks as ever could be made:
Sen. Biden is a man of distinguished public service. That doesn’t excuse poor logic or bad facts. Asked when life begins, Sen. Biden said that, “it’s a personal and private issue.” But in reality, modern biology knows exactly when human life begins: at the moment of conception. Religion has nothing to do with it. People might argue when human “personhood” begins – though that leads public policy in very dangerous directions – but no one can any longer claim that the beginning of life is a matter of religious opinion.
In his Meet the Press interview, Sen. Biden used a morally exhausted argument that American Catholics have been hearing for 40 years: i.e., that Catholics can’t “impose” their religiously based views on the rest of the country. But resistance to abortion is a matter of human rights, not religious opinion. And the senator knows very well as a lawmaker that all law involves the imposition of some people’s convictions on everyone else. That is the nature of the law. American Catholics have allowed themselves to be bullied into accepting the destruction of more than a million developing unborn children a year. Other people have imposed their “pro-choice” beliefs on American society without any remorse for decades.
If we claim to be Catholic, then American Catholics, including public officials who describe themselves as Catholic, need to act accordingly. We need to put an end to Roe and the industry of permissive abortion it enables. Otherwise all of us – from senators and members of Congress, to Catholic laypeople in the pews – fail not only as believers and disciples, but also as citizens.
Biden is a public servant. He is paid to represent his constituents not his church.
Posted by: Sally at September 8, 2008 11:57 PM
You’re correct that he is not paid to represent his Church, however, he has a grave moral obligation to base his public policy on fundamental moral truths (which are handed down by Jesus Christ to His Church.) So his political platform should have been based on a fundamental “right to life” before he ran for office — then let the people decide. He said as a Roman Catholic that he is prepared to accept the teachings of his Church — so is he admitting that he believes that the unborn have a right to life? If he does then it appears that he is in danger of selling his soul for the price of a vote.
“Biden is a public servant. He is paid to represent his constituents not his church.”
Even representatives in a democracy are not bound to support unethical policies. If he believes abortion is unethical, then he’s delinquent in preserving the republic against the creep of ethical malaise.
At any rate, the above remark sounds more like a defense of a trial lawyer’s advocacy than of a man tasked with instituting just laws that protect human life.
Even representatives in a democracy are not bound to support unethical policies. If he believes abortion is unethical, then he’s delinquent in preserving the republic against the creep of ethical malaise.
That’s excellent.
I would argue that the unborn also constitute Biden’s constituents.
I would agree that like many proabort politicians, Biden has sold his soul for power in this life.
Hi folks,
in my view, Sally has hit upon a very important distinction. Do not politicians, like everyone reveal who they are and what they perceive valid? Even very insane people let us know by-their-very-insanity, that they do not follow rational processes – but at least we know.
Biden (and those like him) give us warning as to the duplicity (multi-plicity) of his character. He supports what the crowd supports -and this often changes. However, a politician is elected to ‘lead’ (by example) and not be a follower (one of the crowd) especially during lemming season.
Now each of us must decide whether we want more of the same or whether we want change that matters ….. an aimless ‘change’ is the-same-old …. very attractive, but still the-same-old. For instance do we desire peace or just-convenience-killing-of-our-enemies … abortion/euthanasia/military conflicts …?
More on the Planned Parenthood case at
http://www.lifenews.com/state3469.html
A couple of days after the I-35 bridge collapse in Minneapolis, Mc Cain, caught on video, attributed the collapse in part to the $233 million in pork Palin got for Alaska for the “bridge to nowhere”, which in his view (and mine) should have been spent for the inspection and repair of existing bridges, which might have saved 13 lives and hundreds of millions of dollars to replace the bridge.
McCain’s Arizona gets the lowest amount of pork per capita (like 0) and Palin’s AK gets the largest amount of pork per capita of any state.
In any event, McCain, Palin and the GOP have decided to contine to lie and lie and lie, to see if they can deceive the public on these matters of public record.
So LTL, you support the removal of pork then? Well you know McCain is the one who is going to oppose 100% of pork right? You should be voting Republican this year!
LTL,
If you want to be taken seriously, you need to link to something that shows what in the heck your talking about.
I mean, do you really expect us to say, OH LOOK LTL SAYS SO! I don’t think so.
It’s very possible that some of the junk you spout is actually true, but we’ll never know…
Sources! Links! Something! Anything!
He may be right about the pork per person in Alaska, but LTL has made a huge flaw. Alaska is a huge state, with a very low population. The amount of pork per person may seem exagerated because of this fact.
Olie: “… The amount of pork per person may seem exagerated [sic] because of this fact.”
SG: “g”, hypothetically, am I to infer you (R) speculating, Olie … errr … or is that am I to speculate you (R) inferring …. ;)
The issue seems to be the integrity of ‘pork-free’ advocacy, so clean it’s kosher, only to find a pig farm out back.
Ah well …. Vetting after the Hail Mary is great sport, but politically more reflective of rash judgment. For many (and I’ll speculate here, soon for many more), the (R)z make good theater. but bad judgments.
Snerd
p.s. Is Mc’Cane’ still sellin’ that plane on EBay for a profit?
The I 35 bridge collapse video is on minnesotaindependent.com 9/9/08 “McCain Connected 35W Bridge Collapse to Palin’s Pork” by Tom Elko.
Another good source is Time’s “Sarah Palin’s Alaskonomics” Michal Kinsley 9/9/08 on time.com
The latest Palin scandal is in the Washington Post of 9/9/08 “Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home” by James Grimaldi.
I personally can’t keep up with the Palin lies and scandals, but the media is on the job, and it is now out in the mainstream.
Jill:
I just realized that Pastor Ed Kalnins (of Wasilla Assembly of God) where Sara Palin gave that speech is a pastor I had met at the Athletes International Minsitry conference this summer here is Phoenix.
In fact, I had attended his classes and spent many hours praying with and speaking to him about the Kingdom.
This guy’s story is amazing and he is totally sold out and surrendered to Jesus Christ.
The Wall Street Journal
“…The Wall Street Journal reports on another Sarah Palin firing — one that sheds light on the way she mingled personal and political business:
Mr. Bitney was a key aide in Gov. Palin’s 2006 gubernatorial campaign. When she took office, she gave Mr. Bitney a job as her legislative director, and a few months later stood beside him at a news conference and praised his work.
“Whatever you did, you did it right,” she told Mr. Bitney and his team.
Seven weeks later she fired Mr. Bitney for what her spokeswoman now describes as “poor job performance.”
Oooops!
Snerd, the stories I have seen indicate Bitney was fired because he was in the process of getting a divorce and had a new girlfriend, and Saint Sarah and First Dude disaproved.
The latest Palin scandal is in the Washington Post of 9/9/08 “Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home” by James Grimaldi.
I personally can’t keep up with the Palin lies and scandals, but the media is on the job, and it is now out in the mainstream.
Posted by: LTL at September 9, 2008 12:03 PM
LTL,
Nice try. Why don’t you actually do your research before you post. If you actually read articles on this subject, you would realize how ignorant you just made yourself look. I think by now everyone has heard about this story and knows that she was well within guidelines to bill the state for these charges and could have billed many more charges but chose not to.
Yeah, LTL, you guys are keeping FactCheck.org busy debunking all of this nonsense about Palin:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html
But let not your heart be troubled. If a REAL Palin scandal ever happens, all of your crying wolf will result in it being completely ignored by an electorate weary of hundreds of phony, partisan lies used to attempt to discredit the woman. So keep it up, you’re giving Palin a teflon coat against any sort of October Surprise.
Snerd, the stories I have seen indicate Bitney was fired because he was in the process of getting a divorce and had a new girlfriend, and Saint Sarah and First Dude disaproved.
Posted by: LTL at September 9, 2008 12:43 PM
Stories? From where? Trolling on your radical left wing amatuer blogs sights again?
OOOOHHHHHH were wewy wewy thcawed.
OKAY, THIS ONE WILL BE EASY TO REFUTE…
The latest Palin scandal is in the Washington Post of 9/9/08 “Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home” by James Grimaldi.
The first family’s travel is an expected part of the job, she said.
*
“As a matter of protocol, the governor and the first family are expected to attend community events across the state,” she said. “It’s absolutely reasonable that the first family participates in community events.”
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The state finance director, Kim Garnero, said Alaska law exempts the governor’s office from elaborate travel regulations. Said Leighow: “The governor is entitled to a per diem, and she claims it.”
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The popular governor collected the per diem allowance from April 22, four days after the birth of her fifth child, until June 3, when she flew to Juneau for two days. Palin moved her family to the capital during the legislative session last year, but prefers to stay in Wasilla and drive 45 miles to Anchorage to a state office building where she conducts most of her business, aides have said.
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Palin rarely sought reimbursement for meals while staying in Anchorage or Wasilla, the reports show.
Gov. Palin has spent far less on her personal travel than her predecessor: $93,000 on airfare in 2007, compared with $463,000 spent the year before by her predecessor, Frank Murkowski.
Washington post:
“… In the past, per diem claims by Alaska state officials have carried political risks. In 1988, the head of the state Commerce Department was pilloried for collecting a per diem charge of $50 while staying in his Anchorage home, according to local news accounts. The commissioner, the late Tony Smith, resigned amid a series of controversies.
“It was quite the little scandal,” said Tony Knowles, the Democratic governor from 1994 to 2000. “I gave a direction to all my commissioners if they were ever in their house, whether it was Juneau or elsewhere, they were not to get a per diem because, clearly, it is and it looks like a scam — you pay yourself to live at home,” he said.
Knowles, whose children were school-age at the start of his first term, said that his wife sometimes accompanied him to conferences overseas but that he could “count on one hand” the number of times his children accompanied him.
“And the policy was not to reimburse for family travel on commercial airlines, because there is no direct public benefit to schlepping kids around the state,” he said. “
I am wondering if the public will reach the conclusion, Sarah doesn’t appear quite as ‘kosher clean’ as advertised … (R)eally! paying oneself to sleep in their own home!
Snerd
Snerd,
I used the word “may.” I was not disagreeing with his point that Palin used an extraordinary amount of earmarks/pork. I was simply pointing out the logical flaw that the percentage of pork per person does not necessarily prove that Palin used an excessive amount of it. The fact that her state has a smaller population than most, and the fact the her state has a larger area than most requires LTL and others to consider the ramifications.
Besides, I cant find anything personally, and LTL has not posting anything but huge mistakes over and over again. I really doubt anything LTL has to say honestly.
And besides…Palin fired somebody? Oh no! Maybe the guy was doing something terribly wrong. Maybe she was being nice when she said “you are doing everything right!” Maybe he did everything right up to a certain point and then he did everything wrong and needed to be fired. You rely too much on speculation. Ive fired people before. Does it mean I mixed personal with profesional? Of course not.
Am I the only one who can’t wait for the debate between Biden and SARAH? SARAH is going to mop the floor with his hair plugs if he tries using these BS attacks against her.
Sarah, an ‘a-palin’ lack of understanding about Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae
“… “You would like to think that someone who is going to be vice president and conceivable president would know what Fannie and Freddie do,” said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. “These are huge institutions and they are absolutely central to our country’s mortgage debt. To not have a clue what they do doesn’t speak well for her, I’d say.””
[…]
Ooooops!
Snerd
Let the MSM wetting (that Mc’Cane’ didn’t do), begin …
You’re right, Snerd – the MSM IS doing the “wetting”. Wetting their pants!
By the way, the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae thing has already been debunked. Get with it:
http://www.openmarket.org/2008/09/09/are-reporters-financially-illiterate-fannie-and-freddie-are-called-government-sponsored-enterprises-for-a-reason/
Oh, and, Snerd? It’s pronounced like “Pay-lynn”, not “Paul-in”. Thanks.
Hi folks,
Leah hinted at one of the marked differences between American and Canadian perceptions when she introduced pie-throwing as a political statement. (Believe me, we are far from any kind of perfection and Bette Friedan would have to move quite a bit to catch some of our home-bred feminists.)
One comment by an American comedian, Dan Akroid (speaking seriously) asked the following: Why does the US have thousands and thousands of military academies but not one … peace academy … where people learn to get along with one another?
Every election I keep hearing that politicians are your servants. If that is so: why do you follow their agenda or is peace not what you are about?
Olie’s “Maybe” Course: Palin fired somebody? Oh no!
* Maybe the guy was doing something terribly wrong.
*Maybe she was being nice when she said “you are doing everything right!”
* Maybe he did everything right up to a certain point and then he did everything wrong and needed to be fired.
Ive fired people before. Does it mean I mixed personal with profesional [sic]? Of course not.
You rely too much on speculation.
SG: Maybe ….!
However, there seems to be a pattern emerging with ‘a-palin-ingly’ personal firings
* Wasilla librarian (if I remember correctly, she tried to get the librarian to censor books, but eventually allowed her to stay in her job)
* Wasilla police chief, ’cause he supported the other candidate, allegedly
* Mr. Bitney allegedly because he was having an affair
* Trooper Wooten her ex-brother-in-law, who she allegedly tried to fire
* Monegan, who she fired, allegedly because he only wanted to get rid of Wooten, legally
A ‘direct’ assertion. If Mc’Cane’ had vetted her, the MSM might not be doing his job for him. That part of the Palin selection shows poor judgment by Mc’Cane’. So … these speculations you object to, MAYBE they wouldn’t be happening if Mc’Cane’ had acted more responsibly.
Whatever the case, there is emerging the appearance that firings and attempted firings were confluences of the personal and professional. If ‘prove’ would you admit they show poor judgment?
Snerd
Lewandowski: “Oh, and, Snerd? It’s pronounced like “Pay-lynn”, not “Paul-in”. Thanks.”
SG: I understand why pronunciation might be a big thing for you … you must have had an ‘a-palin’ time of it … ;)
Snerd
Lewondawski: “… By the way, the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae thing has already been debunked. Get with it:”
SG: See! That’s my point. It doesn’t matter wants true. Because of Mc’Cane’s’ poor judgment in NOT vetting “anti-pork, pork-barrelin’, Palin”, now the MSM are goin’ to be fallin’ all over one another trying to dig stuff up … It’s their new mission.
Really, you have to ask yourself, what in gawds name was he doing all them months when Clinton and Obama were goin’ at it … NAPPING!
Judgment keeps comin’ up … and it aint Good Judgement!
Snerd
p.s. Is Sarah still claimin’ she was always against the bridge to nowhere?
Well I’m off to work soon … Unfortunately, I am unable to pay myself, at public expense, to stay home.
Snerd
p.s. I still haven’t heard, is EXXON-john still claimin’ Sarah sold the jet for a profit on E-Bay? … Or has Joe Lieberman corrected him again?
Snerd
On that “Bridge to Nowhere” thing, I found it …
Speaking in Lebanon, Ohio today, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin repeated her frequently debunked lie on the “bridge to nowhere,” … Palin (falsely) recounted how she told the U.S. Congress “thanks but no thanks” for the project that has become a symbol of wasteful government spending.
Virtually every media outlet — from the Wall Street Journal to FactCheck.org — that has investigated the claim has found it to be a wholesale fiction. Though Palin did abandon her onetime support for the bridge after winning Alaska’s governorship, she did so only after federal dollars dried up. Moreover, she kept the federal funds already given to Alaska.
SG: Apparently she was for-it-before-she-was-against-it.
But more importantly, Sarah is against the IDEA of pork barrelin’, but not against the ACTUAL PORK, which she’ll keep …
“That’s not Change you can believe in …. heh, heh, heh, heh …”
Snerd
p.s. If Sarah is innocent in t(R)oopergate, why is she all lawyered up and trying to stall the investigation ’til after the election? Why is her staff now not testifying? It seems (R) accountability is all about the power to avoid it.
Hey Snerd, thanks for the racist comments about my last name, YOU RACIST!!!
Well that proves that Snerd is definitely a hateful racist.
/liberal debate style
I am wondering if the public will reach the conclusion, Sarah doesn’t appear quite as ‘kosher clean’ as advertised … (R)eally! paying oneself to sleep in their own home!
You mean like the fact that Obama lives in Chicago but works in Springfield???? I’d love to see the proof that HE only got paid when he was down south.
You people are pathetic.
Obama has LIED about very real, very serious things.
The BAIPA.
William Ayers.
His Pastor.
He took bad money to buy his house.
Says he came from humble beginnings…well, if you mean his first months…mother on foodstamps? Okaaaay, except he lived with his grandmother NOT his mother and his grandmother was the VICE PRESIDENT of the Bank of Hawaii! Yeah, poor little rich boy.
How about his whole “McCain voted 90% of the time with Bush” baloney…HE, OBAMA, voted 97% of the time with the democratic party…when he actually voted that is…Of course we can’t accuse him of voting with the president because the Democrats LOST the election!
Here’s a link…have a blast!
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
I’m pretty sure he did it in the conservatory, with Colonel Mustard using the candlestick!
MK: Are you paying attention. It’s not just .000001% of the left…this is happening ALL OVER!
MK, there will always be the more extreme people, on both sides. Even if it’s 100,000 times that figure you gave, it’s still only 1% and ranting and raving doesn’t do people much good, regardless.
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It’s like a veil has been lifted and people that have been in a zombie state are opening their eyes for the first time in years…and saying “Did I sound like that?” Like Dortothy waking up from her “dream” and saying “And you were there, and you, and you…”
You can say the same for quite a few people who have demonized Obama. Again, you’re just gonna have that kind of stuff, and it’s not part of the mainstream nor part of pro-lifers or pro-choicers, in the main.
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Yeah, this is what you sound like. And have for quite awhile. Amanda Marcotte is not that extreme. That’s what we’ve been trying to tell you. There is so much anger and hate it’s unbelievable. But finally, someone seems to have stumbled on the blind cord and there is a little bit of sunshine entering the room. Take a look around. It ain’t pretty. These are the people whose rights you are protecting. Whose right to bodily autonomy you are willing to kill children for. Get it now?
No, that’s not what I sound like, and if you know of a child being killed, you oughtta call the cops. I am for women keeping the freedom they now have.
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It’s not and never was about autonomy. It’s about shirking responsibility and having your cake and eating it too, no matter how high the price!
Yes, it’s about autonomy, and letting women have their responsibility, rather than being subject to those who would take away their freedom in the matter.
Lewandowski: Hey Snerd, thanks for the racist comments about my last name, YOU RACIST!!! Well that proves that Snerd is definitely a hateful racist.
SG: Apologies if that’s how you feel. That wasn’t my intent.
Since we aren’t supposed reveal personal info on the site, I assumed this wasn’t your real name. Not being your real name, no real insult was meant.
Take as you will …
Secondly, simply speaking derogatorily towards someone, as you did further up the thread, without argument or reference to any content is not discussion. It seemed to me you had moved into the unsavory realms of straight put down. That was what the ‘lewd’ reference was to.
Hope that helps
Snerd
No, that’s not what I sound like,
that was a general “you” not a personal “you”.
And it’s not 1%, it’s mainstream. Hence the term “MAINSTREAM MEDIA”…Do you even own a television? Do you read newspapers? Are you kidding me?
As someone with special needs myself I find this to be one of those things that are “funny because its true”. Seriously, I would never blame her kids for the long national nightmare that her presidency might bring upon this nation, but why does she insist on subjecting her kids to the scorn that she so rightfully deserves? I’m all for honesty, but infants are too young to be told that “Mommy is a liar that no one really respects”. I felt the same way for Dan Quayle’s kids. It’s like the 80’s all over again.
Now Yo La, themz family ‘Valuez’ being exploited.
And since Family Valuez are good, then the exploitation thereof, can not be bad … but rather the exploitation of good, for the good, is good.
Snerd
Yo La @ 7:27,
As someone with special needs myself I find this to be one of those things that are “funny because its true”. Seriously, I would never blame her kids for the long national nightmare that her presidency might bring upon this nation, but why does she insist on subjecting her kids to the scorn that she so rightfully deserves? I’m all for honesty, but infants are too young to be told that “Mommy is a liar that no one really respects”. I felt the same way for Dan Quayle’s kids. It’s like the 80’s all over again.
If Sarah Palin’s kids are as tough as she and her husband appear to be, they’ll all be fine. Those cold Alaska winters are character builders. What happened to Dan Quayle’s kids? Were their lives ruined?
John McD,
One comment by an American comedian, Dan Akroid (speaking seriously) asked the following: Why does the US have thousands and thousands of military academies but not one … peace academy … where people learn to get along with one another?
We do. It’s called kindergarten. The problem is, kids grow up and then they forget. :^)
http://teacherweb.com/NC/WilliamsTownshipElementary/CheriBarkley/AllIEverReallyNeededtoKnow.htm
No, that’s not what I sound like, and if you know of a child being killed, you oughtta call the cops. I am for women keeping the freedom they now have.
Posted by: Doug at September 9, 2008 6:46 PM
That’s right Doug, it is legal to kill innocent human beings. Well, taking some food, as a baby in the womb does, is always a capital offence in extremist cultures. The death of millions from the right to choose, who lives, and who dies, is always a mark of a culture of death.
BTW, your a sad case of the common man approach to the energy crisis of the present time. So is Pelosi, Slim Pickins, the Newt, etc. Another sucker is born everyday.
Since you think, you can think logically about any matter in your life, I shall prophesize,predict, inform you that the price of petroleum products will retreat to historic lows within 3 to 5 years.
Another words, the price of gasoline, which is what this election is all about, will be back to $1.50US., or lower.
Or, did you believe that sucker Jimma Carter, and his “we can’t drill our way out of the oil crisis”, of his administration?
We drilled our way out soo well, that the cartel reacted to stop our drilling our way out.
And Jack Murtha and his buddies worked to get us back to where we are today. Abscam.
Now, Dougly, how did I arrive at such a prediction, based upon previous market conditions for oil products?
Or, ask Teddy Kennedy how he enjoyed his passing the buck to the public for his lost multi millions at Midland Bank.
What I like is the joke that the Chinese are using more oil and are the reason for the tripling of a barrel of oil in just three years.
The lie is soo hugh, and soo great, that no one has asked, if the Chinese, and assorted lesser players for oil use, have increased oil use, where are the automotive/aircraft corps making these “phantom” planes, trains, and automobiles that are driving the demand for oil?
Headline; Toyota/GMC/Ford/Mazda triples sells of automobiles in immerging markets. NOT.
Boeing triples sells. Airbus post record sells. NOT.
Electro-Motive triple’s sells. Not.
I assume you know what percentage of a barrel of crude oil is used for jet fuel, gasoline,etc.
Five years at the most, and the price of gas will be lower then today, by triple.
above post
Yeah, Biden and others like him don’t want to “impose their beliefs” on people who want to kill babies. But it’s okay to impose your beliefs on the baby.
Imagine that there’s a gym bag found by the side of the road. Something is in it, moving. A crowd has gathered around. Half of them are saying they are sure they heard a baby crying and they’re sure there’s a baby in the bag. Half say they heard a sound that MIGHT have been a baby crying, but it might have been a cat.
There’s something alive in the bag. Maybe a baby, maybe a cat, maybe something else. At this point we don’t know for sure.
Now, imagine that somebody comes up with a baseball bat. He says it’s his bag and he didn’t give anybody permission to use his gym bag. He beats the bag until the movement stops.
Wouldn’t even the POSSIBILITY that there was a baby in the bag be enough to move you to rage and revulsion that somebody should take it upon himself to kill whatever it is in the bag? Shouldn’t the crowd have stopped him and checked to see what was in the bag? Was it right for them to say, “Well, we’re not sure if it’s a baby in the bag, so it’s non of our business.” Wouldn’t you be as outraged that the crowd stood around and did nothing as you’d be at the man for just saying, “It’s my gym bag,” and beating the life out of whatever’s in the bag without checking first to see if it’s a baby or not?
And if, upon opening the bag, the cops found the corpse of a baby, dead of blunt-force trauma, do you think the guy with the baseball bat should still have his choice respected?
Christina,
It sounds so much more civilized when it happens in a doctor’s office with a nurse attending, a friendly receptionist at the door, the offer of a cup of coffee when you arrive, and a warm smile from that same receptionist when it’s over.
yllas: Five years at the most, and the price of gas will be lower then today, by triple.
Heh – interesting multiplier there.
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Toyota/GMC/Ford/Mazda triples sells of automobiles in immerging markets. NOT.
What do you think that matters? Last I saw China was putting 10 million new automobiles on the road every year, and it won’t be long before they surpass the US. India’s not far behind as far as growth in the number of vehicles.
China’s oil consumption has been rising by almost a half million barrels a day, year over year, and that’s 35 or 40% of total world growth in petroleum demand. Even now, only the US and Japan are ahead of China as far as being a net importer of oil.
You seem to be approaching it like a tripling in demand would mean a tripling in price, and that’s simply wrong. If supply and demand are in balance, price tends to stay steady, but even a slight rise in demand above supply can result in the price being bid up and up and up….
Also, why do think it’s a “lie” that China’s demand for oil and energy in general is rapidly increasing, and has been for years?
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your a sad case of the common man approach to the energy crisis of the present time.
Considering the ignorance which you display about the energy markets, that’s pretty funny.
I don’t know what the “common man” has been doing, really, though it’s evident that many haven’t cut back on consumption, haven’t seen the ongoing megatrends for what they are, and IMO haven’t been heavily invested in energy since 2000/2001 like I have.
It’s not only oil – natural gas looks great, IMO, and so does uranium. Oil costs almost 10 cents a kilowatt hour for electrical generation, coal is about 2.5 cents, and nuclear is roughly 1.75. Bottom line – we’re going to be burning a LOT of coal for a long time, and hopefully the US gets its head out of the sand as far as new nuke plants and expansions. Of late there does seem to be some progress there.
There’s also wind and solar, etc., but they are still a drop in the bucket and energy consumption is slated to rise in the US (alone) so much that it looks like we’ll be using more oil, nat gas and coal all along, despite windfarms, solar arrays, etc. The Republicans are dragging their feet on having tax credits for the alternative energy sources, but they may so okay if the Democrats go for offshore drilling, etc.
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Since you think, you can think logically about any matter in your life, I shall prophesize,predict, inform you that the price of petroleum products will retreat to historic lows within 3 to 5 years.
I certainly don’t have a crystal ball, and have never claimed to. You seem to be verging on that, however. Okay, “historic lows” – exceedingly improbable. Oil was down below $10 a barrel in 1998, remember, as opposed to its recent peak over $140. No biggie, though – I wouldn’t hold you to it.
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Another words, the price of gasoline, which is what this election is all about, will be back to $1.50US., or lower.
I don’t think that’s what it’s “all about,” but a bold prediction by you nevertheless. We’ll see – a worldwide depression could do it. I see real weakness in the US economy, but that’s far less a deal for the whole world anymore as far as energy consumption. I think the average American is in for a declining standard of living for 5 or 10 years. Just how bad things get – I don’t know.
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Or, did you believe that sucker Jimma Carter, and his “we can’t drill our way out of the oil crisis”, of his administration? We drilled our way out soo well, that the cartel reacted to stop our drilling our way out.
You’re just way wrong there. US oil production peaked in 1970, and overall has been declining ever since. Carter was in office basically in 1977-1980, and in 1977 US production had already gone down by 14% from the 1970 peak. During the Nixon/Ford administration, it even went down from 1972 to 1973 to 1974, and October ’73 was the Arab Oil Embargo, and you ought to remember what a huge deal that was.
There were no great gains in US production during or after Carter’s time, either, so I don’t know why you’re acting like we “drilled our way out of the crisis.” US dependency on foreign oil continued to rise, and I think it’s at an all-time high now.
US oil production in 2007 was 47% less than in 1970. Feverish drilling might make some difference, but the easy-to-extract oil and the “elephant” fields are largely already found and in production or even in decline. (This is also true for the Saudis….another big deal for world oil pricing.) Meanwhile, US consumption of oil is forecasted to rise about 20% in 20 years. Would increased drilling even keep up with the additional demand? Even if it did, we’d still be importing as much foreign oil as we do now.