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They will be called racist. I can just tell. Maybe even an accusation of setting a record depth in the gutter.
Yay Wisconsin!!! :)
No xppc, the GOP hate machine will go much deeper in the gutter. It is all they have left.
Anyone dumb enough to fall for this nonsense is already convinced Obama is a muslim terrorist.
It’s the economy, stupid. McBush and the GOP are losing, big time.
PCP,
You should feel lucky, you have the corrupt MSM covering for Obama.
neat idea! i sent one to my entire address book!
What does Obama and Osama have in common?
They both know someone who bombed the Pentegon.
Jasper, what we feel lucky about is the American People having the sense not to fall for McCain/Palin foolishness.
One more reason why my parents, previously pro-life dropped their support for National Right to Life – their work is just so partisan. What about McCains support for death squads in relation to Iran Contra? Seriously. Between Keating 5 and Iran Contra it looks like all McCain did in the 1980’s was get in the middle of scandals and cheat on his wife.
Hal: Which American people? The ones that donate to Planned Parenthood? That put their daughters on the pill at age 13 (cause she’ll have sex anyway, better be ‘prepared’)? That make fun of Christians? That shout obscenities at peaceful, prayerful protesters?
Which Americans are you referring to, Hal?
The Majority of Americans, Liz. The ones who want something better for our country, who understand our best days are ahead of us, not behind us. Who favor tax cuts to the middle class, not to corporation who ship jobs oversease. Some, perhaps, donate to Planned Parenthood (that doesn’t make one less American) Some put their daughters on the pill at 13, although I’m sure that’s no one’s first choice. It’s better than being pregnant at 14.
Which is worse, making fun of Christians, or denying a devote Christian is “really” a christian at all?
Ignorance has spread for 35 years. I am not stupid, Hal. I just don’t want 1000 more years of Abortion, which is what will happen IF Obama is elected.
and it is what will happen if McCain is elected.
I’m not calling you stupid, but you apparently think the majority of Americans are stupid simply because outlawing abortion is not their “issue.”
I agree that Obama will not support your view on abortion, but he will be good on the economy, foreign policy, health care, education, judicial nominations, etc, etc.
Alright, this is completely unrelated but I have to say it cuz I’m just too excited :-p
I got a job as a freelance writer (blogger really, but they don’t want to call it that because of negative connotations) :). Pay isn’t great though, it’s based on traffic too which’ll hurt since the website isn’t exactly popular. But it’s a good resume builder and I’m sure you’ll all read it once i get the link and contribute towards my paycheck ;) lol.
But will Planned Parenthood pay me to visit your blog?
COngrats Dan! That’s exciting.
McCain didn’t say he’d sign the FREEDOM OF CHOICE ACT which would negate all abortion restrictions, parental notification laws, etc. What happens when a 14 year old is INJURED by an abortion procedure and they have to have her insurance information for the hospital?
Abortion isn’t RARE, either (Over 1 Million a year since 1973). And it will continue to increase. Obama has NO intention of reducing the abortion rate by encouraging adoptions or signing laws that would help provide support for pregnant college students (financial support, etc).
This country is on a decline. Its no longer the great country it once was. We throw babies away, we encourage starvation of the disabled, we don’t focus on reality of helping women (shouldn’t we be focusing on the reasons women have abortions and then work to reduce them? Financial Aid, Job Skills Programs, Maternity homes for girls from broken homes). The Extreme Left’s idea to reduce abortion is MORE contraception, MORE condoms, MORE Explicit Sexual Education for children.
And I am SICK of it.
If Obama is elected and supreme court justices either die or retire, then he will definitely be appointing PRO ABORTION justices. And there will be little chance for the precious babies. Mothers will continue to be lied to by Planned Parenthood, the divorce rate will increase.
I am not ignorant, Hal. I want to help the poor. But I also care about the babies being destroyed because the mom didn’t want a baby or the baby was conceived at a bad time.
Well, Liz, I guess we don’t agree on that.
(and I never said you were ignorant)
The polls show a very strong shift, particularly in the last few days, to Obama, with landslide a real possibility. Take a look at pollster.com.
The Palin gimmick has imploded, and the GOP hate, smear and fear machine is ineffectual.
The “infanticide” smears will have no impact.
Congrats Dan. Yes, make sure to give us a link and let us know when it’s up.
Thanks for the support guys :)
My official title is “Young Democrats Examiner” lol.
THIS ISSUE MUST GET OUT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! Please Spread This Far and Wide!!!! It is believed Obama is an “illegal alien”!!!!! http://www.obamacrimes.com/ Obama is NOT QUALIFIED to be US President!!!! This is a very real and pending Issue. It Must be Spread Far and Wide!!!! According to the outstanding Federal Lawsuit, it is quite clear the Obama is hiding something very very critical to the outcome of this election and he can’t produce his birth certificate. The lawyer in the case obviously see this and is relentlessly pursuing this matter. Please everyone…..spread this issue far and wide. Voters need to know about it. Inform all republicians, send it to Sean Hannity, inform radio and the newspapers. The American people demand that Obama produce his real birth certificate to prove he is a natural born citizen of the US and is qualified to run as President.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v07tPpQE6w0
OMG, that’s it Mr. Spam-a-lot. You’re banned!!
Hal-
Agreed. It’s the same post nearly word for word over and over again.
Even a majority of the PUMAs seem not to be buying this.
Not to mention, each candidate needs to prove eligibility before entering the primaries in each state, and then prove eligibility when on the national ballot. Ridiculous. Ugh.
That is why Obama is called Mr. Fraud!
Hal,
Are you OK with the fact that Obama has influenced by Alinsky?
James, you wrote a different sentence. Good for you. It’s still nonsense, but I appreciate the variety.
I agree that Obama will not support your view on abortion, but he will be good on the economy, foreign policy, health care, education, judicial nominations, etc, etc.
Posted by: Hal at October 7, 2008 4:17 PM
How on EARTH do you think Obama will be good for the economy. The man has never even sponsored a major piece of legistlation and went SILENT when this whole financial mess began. Oh, wait no….he was at a major 30k per plate fundraiser with his hollyweird friends, then went silent.
He stepped back, and again voted present to our country while John McCain tried to step in and help when ASKED. You all don’t see it because you Obamians are hypnotized.
His tax increases to the “wealthy” along with his capital gains tax increases along with all the other tax increases will only drag this economy into a worse situation.
His economic idea was to make sure that anyone who can’t afford a home gets one!!!
YEAHHHHHHH!!!!!
His radical ACORN group is what got us in this housing and financial mess in the first place.
I worked in the mortgage business for years. This whole situation was so predictable it makes me sick. I saw this coming and so did many others. There was not a whole lot you could do when desktop underwriting dictates who qualifies for a mortgage. Denials (which were very few)were tracked.
The American people will ulitmately blame Bush and will translate it to MCain since they don’t know enough about the role the legislative branch plays into our ecomony. The democrats implemented and supported the idea of homeownership to all that apply.
His education experience was to solicit funds for Bill Ayers radical school ideas.
Obama is a serial liar and has you under his spell Hal.
The president of NOW (LA Chapter) endorsed Sarah Palin.
This election just keeps getting more strange, but I’m glad she supports her.
I am hoping by repeating this, those on this board who are against Obama will Spread it Far and Wide.
Jill knows Sean Hannity. Perhaps she could send this story to him.
Sean Hannity has yet to mention it and none of the main stream media has mentioned it.
I believe the Main Stream media wants Obama to win and if this story were to be posted, I think Obama would finished overnight.
As it stands, there are unresolved questions regarding Obama’s citizenship and it appears that he may be orchestrating the biggest fraud in history.
The DNC seems to be on it and has failed to do its job of properly insuring that its candidate is qualified.
On thing is certain, the lawyer in case is 99.9% certain that Obama is not qualified.
The fact that Obama is fighting so hard to dismiss this lawsuit when in fact it could all end if Obama just produced his Birth certificate to the court is very troubling.
Oh Sandy, have some more Kool-aid.
THe Economist Magizine surveyed economists:
Eighty per cent of respondents and no fewer than 71% of those who do not cleave to either main party say Mr Obama has a better grasp of economics. Even among Republicans Mr Obama has the edge: 46% versus 23% say Mr Obama has the better grasp of the subject. “I take McCain’s word on this one,” comments James Harrigan at the University of Virginia, a reference to Mr McCain’s infamous confession that he does not know as much about economics as he should. In fairness, Mr McCain’s lower grade may in part reflect greater candour about his weaknesses. Mr Obama’s more tightly managed image leaves fewer opportunities for such unvarnished introspection.
http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127
“Sean Hannity has yet to mention it and none of the main stream media has mentioned it.”
That should tell you something.
James,
Talk about not being “vetted”, they can’t even provide his birth certificate?
Hal,
I don’t take comfort in the fact that less than half of Americans think Obama has a good grasp on the subject of economics.
That is correct Sandy. Obama has hired lawyers to prevent the court to provide his Birth certificate or any other documents the might shed light on Obama’s citizenship.
Maybe I’ll vote 3rd party and vote for Kermit the Frog. And then Miss Piggy can have her dream job!
Kermit/Animal in ’08!
Sandy, read it again, more than twice the number of Republican economists think Obama is better for the economy than McCain. 80% overall think Obama is better. They’re right.
Nutball alert. Obama’s birth certificate is posted on “fightthesmears. com”.
And James, for the third time today, go sell crazy somewhere else, we’re all stocked up here.
Off topic, but I don’t expect Jill to post that
Eric Scheidler recently had his defamation suit against Planned Parenthood thrown out of court, and PP is seeking to recover over $300,000 in attorney’s fees against Scheidler incurred in defense of that frivolous and vexatious suit, as provided by the statute.
Thanks PPC,I had forgotten all about Scheidler, and the modern new clinic in Aurora. That still is open, I assume.
The abortion mill in Aurora’s building permit was filed under a false name. That’s why it should have never been allowed to open.
Liz, do you get tired of being on the losing side of everything?
The campaign to “close the Aurora PP” by Scheidler’s attorneys has failed at every step, just like their defamation suit. I expect the Thomas More attorneys will also be facing sanctions for frivolous and vexatious litigation.
Yeah, except PPC that it stayed closed past the date it was supposed to open. So they didn’t lose at EVERYTHING now did they?
Hal,
I’m not going to switch sides just cause you guys think you’re winning. What’s the prize exactly? More dead babies? No thanks.
Elizabeth, please don’t switch sides. I don’t see you on the side of reactionary opposition to the modern world. You and I disagree on abortion, and maybe other things, but I like your opinions on gay rights, race, and single mothers.
“The president of NOW (LA Chapter) endorsed Sarah Palin.”
Indeed, the strangest thing I’ve heard all day. But yeah, glad to hear it.
Losing side? Hmm, the only person whom I’ve voted for that lost was the man I wanted for legislature in my district, a senator candidate and a mayoral candidate. Otherwise, my US House of Representatives, I am happy to say, has been reelected several times. He’s a good man with a family full of daughters.
I don’t like that Obama’s ‘in bed’ with Planned Parenthood. I don’t like that he promised the FOCA. How about promising something all Americans can agree on, like continuing to assure Homeland Security?
National Security begins in the WOMB.
Bobby, just goes to show you. I read her essay. She likes Palin, but supports abortion rights. She liked Hillary, I think she’s mostly a PUMA with sour grapes. She hasn’t converted to conservatism or pro-life, she’s just mad at Obama because her candidate lost.
I’d have more respect for her if she actually supported McCain’s platform. Voting for someone you disagree with simply because there’s a female on the ticket? what a loon.
Bobby, just goes to show you. I read her essay. She likes Palin, but supports abortion rights. She liked Hillary, I think she’s mostly a PUMA with sour grapes. She hasn’t converted to conservatism or pro-life, she’s just mad at Obama because her candidate lost.
I’d have more respect for her if she actually supported McCain’s platform. Voting for someone you disagree with simply because there’s a female on the ticket? what a loon.
sorry about the double post, internet problems on the boat….
Hey Bobby, did you see this?
A pro-life former law professor Nicholas Cafardi, the former dean of the Duquesne University Law School, has quit his position on the board of trustees for Franciscan University of Steubenville. Cafardi’s decision comes after he received criticism for endorsing pro-abortion presidential candidate Barack Obama.
Franciscan University is better off without a man who endorses someone who supports infanticide on their board of trustees.
ah, “infanticide.” Haven’t heard that term in a few days.
That does make it less exciting, Hal.
Pope Benedict XVI said that the global credit crisis shows that the world’s financial systems are “built on sand” and that only the works of God have “solid reality”.
Opening a Synod of Bishops in the Vatican the Pope referred to a passage from St Matthew’s Gospel on false prophets, saying ”He who builds only on visible and tangible things like success, career and money builds the house of his life on sand”.
That is correct Sandy. Obama has hired lawyers to prevent the court to provide his Birth certificate or any other documents the might shed light on Obama’s citizenship.
Posted by: James at October 7, 2008 5:46 PM
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Oooooh! It’s a conspiracy! Tell me James, what documents must be provided to obtain an American Passport? Proof of citizenship maybe? Does Barak Obama posess an American passport? Of course he does.
Are you going to attempt to make some fantastical claim that Obama was not born in Hawaii of an American citizen?
Oooooh James! Maybe Barak and his mother are/were really space aliens. You Betcha! ; )
Even Hannity has his limits on stupidiy but I encourage you to continue with your Henny Penny imitation. It’s amusing.
Pope Benedict XVI said that the global credit crisis shows that the world’s financial systems are “built on sand” and that only the works of God have “solid reality”.
Opening a Synod of Bishops in the Vatican the Pope referred to a passage from St Matthew’s Gospel on false prophets, saying ”He who builds only on visible and tangible things like success, career and money builds the house of his life on sand”.
Posted by: Jasper at October 7, 2008 7:29 PM
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What is the Vatican’s financial system built upon Jasper? Wouldn’t the Vatican’s wealth be based upon tangible things? Real Estate and other investments built on sand?
But I do see what you are saying.
McCain dumped his gravely injured wife for a disturbed woman with lots of tangible things. So many, he doesn’t know how many houses he owns.
Obama owns a nice home.
How can a ‘good Catholic’ vote for either of our American Presidential candidates when the foreign Pope lives a life of poverty. His every need provided miraculously by God?
Oh that’s right. The Pope doesn’t live that way. Just expects you to.
What are you talking about, Sally? I’ve never heard that the Pope lives a life of Poverty…….unless he doesn’t get Cable (*gasp*).
Posted by: Sally at October 7, 2008 8:15 PM
The Pope doesn’t take a vow of poverty. Only monks and and nuns take that vow, as my aunt and uncle did when they entered the convent and monastery respectively.
What are you talking about, Sally? I’ve never heard that the Pope lives a life of Poverty…….unless he doesn’t get Cable (*gasp*).
Posted by: LizFromNebraska at October 7, 2008 8:21 PM
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Living a life of poverty and servitude to God is a basic Christian tennet Liz. Something one would think that the dude ‘next to’ God would practice while he preaches it.
Posted by: Sally at October 7, 2008 8:15 PM
The Pope doesn’t take a vow of poverty. Only monks and and nuns take that vow, as my aunt and uncle did when they entered the convent and monastery respectively.
Posted by: Kristen at October 7, 2008 8:31 PM
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What does he take a vow of? How can the head dude be the head dude if he doesn’t lead by example? Sounds quite feudal.
“Living a life of poverty …….”
Sally, since when?
The basic vows a priest takes are obedience, Celibacy and I can’t recall the third one.
“Living a life of poverty …….”
Sally, since when?
Posted by: Janet at October 7, 2008 8:42 PM
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Since Jesus of course.
The basic vows a priest takes are obedience, Celibacy and I can’t recall the third one.
Posted by: LizFromNebraska at October 7, 2008 8:47 PM
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Why can’t you recall the tennents of your religion Liz? Why do you think that a religion you don’t understand should be a basis for American law?
I know the most important basics of my Faith.
What are you talking about? I don’t want a Theocracy.
I do believe all LIFE should be protected, from conception to NATURAL death. Not death sped up by overdose of morphine or starvation. Any human with high morals understands this.
I also want stronger penalties for sex offenders.
“Living a life of poverty and servitude to God is a basic Christian tennet Liz.”
I think you mean “tenet”, Sally. And no, living a life of poverty is not something that every Christian is called to do — unless you mean spiritual poverty.
“What is the Vatican’s financial system built upon Jasper? Wouldn’t the Vatican’s wealth be based upon tangible things? Real Estate and other investments built on sand?
But I do see what you are saying.
McCain dumped his gravely injured wife for a disturbed woman with lots of tangible things. So many, he doesn’t know how many houses he owns.
Obama owns a nice home.
How can a ‘good Catholic’ vote for either of our American Presidential candidates when the foreign Pope lives a life of poverty. His every need provided miraculously by God?
Oh that’s right. The Pope doesn’t live that way. Just expects you to. ”
Sally,
I think you missed what the Pope was trying to convey.
“P: McCain is a lifelong liar, adulterer and spoiled brat, yet you remain a groupie, Sandy. ”
Love it. A tortured POW is spoiled brat? Haha
CNN = Communist News Network
@Jasper: Being a POW doesn’t excuse a person from immature, hot-headed behavior.
that debate was great. i cannot wait to vote for mccain
Can someone explain why all the news media is so pro Obama? It’s so obvious, no one is even trying to be impartial, even those who call themselves Republicans!
Even Fox news is heading that way.
What is wrong with them?
And if these stories are true that Obama isnt even US born…. why is there a cover up?
I can’t wait to vote for Joseph Stalin…I mean Barack Obama this fall. :D
McCain got slammed so hard in the debate I think he may have to throw out his talking point and write new ones. Wow. I’m impressed.
LOL. If some of you guys are actually buying this birth certificate bull, I’ve given you more credit than you deserve.
That stuff has about as much credibility and evidence based conclusions as 9/11 “Truthers”.
I know the most important basics of my Faith.
What are you talking about? I don’t want a Theocracy.
I do believe all LIFE should be protected, from conception to NATURAL death. Not death sped up by overdose of morphine or starvation. Any human with high morals understands this.
I also want stronger penalties for sex offenders.
Posted by: LizFromNebraska at October 7, 2008 9:39 PM
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You choose to be personally ruled by a theocracy of some kind. And will vote with the concept of some kind of perceived divine guidance will you not?
What I am hearing from you is that you don’t understand your own belief system but will attempt to impose that lack of understanding upon your fellow Americans.
“I do believe all LIFE should be protected, from conception to NATURAL death. Not death sped up by overdose of morphine or starvation. Any human with high morals understands this.”
You know- I WANT to die via morphine overdose in the case of certain illnesses instead of becoming an emotional and financial burden on my family.
Hell- I have a list of diseases that I’d more likely than not off myself if I got the disease based on survival rates and treatment options.
Rae-
Plus, Vatican said that the use of heavy painkillers is cool even if it hastens death/shortens life span.
@PiP: I don’t care what the Vatican says. I’m not going to raise the dose to hasten death- I want it to cause death immediately, not eventually.
Rae, just addressing the same quotation as you thats all: “Not death sped up by overdose of morphine” :)
“Can someone explain why all the news media is so pro Obama? It’s so obvious, no one is even trying to be impartial, even those who call themselves Republicans!
Even Fox news is heading that way.
What is wrong with them?”
With them, or with you? Obama rules, that’s why
Don’t see you guys complaining about all of the great press McCain has gotten for most of his life. I guess its only a bad thing if the politician is a democrat.
Can someone explain why all the news media is so pro Obama? It’s so obvious, no one is even trying to be impartial, even those who call themselves Republicans!
Even Fox news is heading that way.
What is wrong with them?
And if these stories are true that Obama isnt even US born…. why is there a cover up?
Posted by: Joanne at October 7, 2008 10:50 PM
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Jeesh! What’s wrong with you? When there is nothing to cover up it might occur to you that a cover up is not necessary. Then you might ask who conned you into making a fool of yourself.
i love how john mccain talks about the founder of ebay, and obama brings up warren buffet. i don’t know how this stooge barack can show his face in public. he blathers on about nothing, and when he actually does say anything substantial, it’s utter crap.
stooge? He’s winning over the American public. By huge margins.
hal, I’ve known that the majority of americans are shallow idiots since high school. i didn’t need barack obama to confirm that for me, but now he has. oh well.
to quote one of my favorite bands, “you’re telling me that 50 million screaming fans are never wrong? I’m telling you that 50 million screaming fans are f ing MORONS.”
@X: Mindless Self Indulgence ftw.
I saw them in concert 4 months ago- they were brilliant.
AWESOME. PURE AWESOME. I honestly didn’t think anyone would catch that reference. :P
i wanted to see them when they came down here awhile back, but then i found out ashes divide was making a stop, and i had to prioitize. :(
“I’ve known that the majority of americans are shallow idiots since high school”
..except the ones that voted republican the last 8 years?
AWESOME. PURE AWESOME. I honestly didn’t think anyone would catch that reference. :P
i wanted to see them when they came down here awhile back, but then i found out ashes divide was making a stop, and i had to prioitize. :(
pip, fear is a powerful motivator, and when people feel like they HAVE to do what is in their best interest for survival, even the most dumb among us can get it right.
unfortunately, the unintelligent ones tend to have the shortest memories.
plus, the tipping point in issues like this are the people who voted for bush because he seemed affable. “he looks like the kind of guy i’d have a beer with”
they’re the same people who are voting for obama because he “has gentle eyes” (i saw a woman who was interviewed say that that was why she was voting for obama. i wantwd to slap her.) or they’d like him on their basketball team.
sometimes they get it right accidentally, most times not.
The good news is that if elected, Obama will be unable to enact many, if any, of his economic policies. Hm… I feel like I’ve posted this before. But it should be repeated.
Anyway, we’re in a recession right now. In a recession, Obama’s economic policies would cause a depression. That means he will not put them in place. Instead he do exactly what Bill Clinton did – he will try them out for a few months, and once they fail miserably, he’ll just go ahead and do exactly what George Bush would have done.
Pros of an Obama presidency:
-If Obama is president, liberals will probably stop trying to destroy America for awhile. Hopefully, anyway. Sure, they’ll try to force their crazy crap down our throats, but they won’t be trying to sabotage the country just to make Bush’s poll numbers go down like they’ve been doing for seven years.
-Millions of lazy people claim that they are somehow “inspired” by Obama and say that they’re going to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and try working for a change if Obama is president. Hey, if that happens, GREAT!! Maybe we can have fewer people on Welfare in the future, which naturally means fewer Democrats.
-People will be ticked off when America doesn’t “change”, and ends up being exactly the same as it was before Obama was elected. It’ll be fun beating Obama over the head with that for four years. “Dude, where’s my change?!”
Cons of an Obama presidency:
-Most pro-abortion president ever. That’s the worst part. But, hopefully, there are enough conservative Democrats in the Senate to block anything too crazy.
-Ignorant neophyte on foreign policy. He might get us all killed with his naivete. But, that’s unlikely, since he’ll (hopefully) be surrounded by people who actually know what they’re doing.
hal at October 8, 2008 12:39 AM
Yes – you’re right, Obama is working to win over the world.
2 Thess 2:3…
Regarding the banned SNL skit about Fannie, Freddie, and Barney:
you can still see the unedited version here: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/palin-snl-pelos.html
you can see the edited version here: http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/c-span-bailout/727521/
I think it’s very funny that Bill Clinton promised tax cuts just like Obama is doing now. (Without half the spending Obama is proposing.) Yet he wasn’t in office two months before saying not only was there not going to be a tax cut for the middle class, but he was increasing taxes for those very same people.
The old saying is more than true, “Those who are ignorant of history are condemned to repeat it.”
Kristen,
I think you are forgetting that in addition to his omniscience, Obama has what we call middle knowledge. What that means is that in addition to having perfect knowledge of all future events, Obama knows what WOULD happen if someone were to take a certain course of action. So in addition to knowing what ACTUALLY will happen given free will, he also knows what would happen if people made different choices. This plays a key role in the providence of Obama. It’s all very biblical.
And James, for the third time today, go sell crazy somewhere else, we’re all stocked up here.
Posted by: PPC at October 7, 2008 5:54 PM
Posted by: Bobby Bambino at October 8, 2008 8:13 AM
Of course! How could I have been so naive?
Bobby,
If that means that Obama claims to have a little foresight and think past his nose, I’d take that over what we have seen these past 8 years. Are you saying that people who make their living doing such a thing (economists for example) are simply biblical? Nah, I’d say they are smart, that’s all. Making choices without thinking about the consequences of said action is dangerous.
Chris,
Considering the guy has posted the same thing in every post for the last few days and has received no warning or deletions for spamming, I think PPC speaks for many of us.
Oh, no PiP. I was just being goofy. I was just describing a theological concept called Molinism. I don’t know anything about economics or economic plans. What I wrote was basically a commentary on how in some circles, it almost appears as if Obama is god-like. That’s all.
I’ve been told a couple times this past week that I’ve been posting less, so I wanted to try and post more, but I guess this is what happens when I try and “force” posts, haha…
PIP,
How can you vote for a guy who calls born children fetuses? Aren’t you pro-life? (See Jill’s latest post.) No response required.
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Sally
I’m going to PRAY for YOU.
I know my Faith, just because I can’t recall all of the vows are that a priest takes doesn’t mean I don’t know my Faith. I went to Catholic school for 12 years. I’ve been a Catholic for almost 30 years. I’m NOT stupid.
Where do you get the idea I am trying to force my beliefs? I get fetal development from science.
Sally,
You love your children. You are a wonderful, loving, supportive mother. Why do you despise the process that brought them here?
Haha Bobby don’t worry I didn’t mean to totally attack you or anything. I mean, it is kind of creepy how some people totally idolize Obama, since he is a politician like everyone else, but after watching the debate last night, I think he knows his stuff and is a worthy opponent. :)
“No response required.”
Considering we’ve been through this song and dance, I’ll take you up on that offer :)
“I mean, it is kind of creepy how some people totally idolize Obama”
Look in the mirror.
“I didn’t mean to totally attack you or anything.”
Hehe, Pip. Hey, I might write you on facebook later today. I have a question for you.
Posted by: prettyinpink at October 8, 2008 8:46 AM
Pip, then what would you call GWB who brought all this up years ago? And what about McCain who brought it up in 2005? Yes, McCain also wanted deregulation, deregulation in part so that government oversight groups that were suing banks for not making ENOUGH sub-prime loans to unqualified buyers would have to stop.
John L: Anyway, we’re in a recession right now. In a recession, Obama’s economic policies would cause a depression.
The economy is slowing, yes, but whether recession or depression awaits us, it’s not going to be due to Obama or McCain – things have been building up for a very long time, through Democratic as well as Republican presidencies.
“Look in the mirror.”
Jasper, how have I idolized Obama? Please, tell me specific phrases that I said that have caused you to believe this. Unless you count ‘voting’ a form of worship.
I might ask you the same thing about Palin. Why do you idolize her Jasper?
“I have a question for you.”
Okay ;)
Kristen,
You think the lack of government intervention is a good thing? From what I hear most Republicans don’t think that is the case, at least concerning banking.
“Jasper, how have I idolized Obama? Please, tell me specific phrases that I said that have caused you to believe this. Unless you count ‘voting’ a form of worship.”
Well, because you’re pro-life and voting for the most pro-abortion candidate ever. Maybe you don’t Idolize him, but it’s disturbing that your voting for him.
“I might ask you the same thing about Palin. Why do you idolize her Jasper?”
because she’s cute. LOL.
No, because she was a is successful Governor who put the state’s needs in front of her own ambitions. She’s worked for everything she has and has real achievements:
PTA MOM
Mayor of Wasilla.
Manager of the Alaska Oil and Gas commision
Governor of Alaska
She’s hated by hollywood celebrities (a plus in my book). She is pro-life and respects the value of life. She is willing to stand for the most weakess and innocent among us. She’s real, with problems just like the rest of us. She doesn’t say one thing to mid-westerners and another to San-Franciso and east coasters.
and… she likes America and knows it’s a force of good in the world and is not afraid to say it.
Posted by: prettyinpink at October 8, 2008 1:53 PM
Generally Republicans want smaller government. Yes, I think in many cases government should stay out of business. Government can’t run businesses so why should they oversee them? Again, remember the $400.00 toilet seats from so long ago?
The problem is greed. And greed used to not be the motivating factor in America. That has obviously changed. I don’t think the answer to greed is more government intervention, I think it’s learning to do the right thing and making it socially unacceptable to do otherwise. To me the basis of this is abortion. I mean if it’s acceptable to kill a child what’s a little embezzlement?
“And greed used to not be the motivating factor in America.”
Seriously? Greed is the motivating factor of capitalism!
Jasper, sorry to rain on your infatuation with Sarah Palin, but the majority of Americans, including Repubs consider her unqualified, and some of the most serious criticism is from conservatives, like David Brooks of the New York Times who calls her a “cancer to the Republican Party”.
Of the things she is claimed to have accomplished, about 95% are lies, like the bridge to nowhere, opposition to earmarks, divestment of investments in the Sudan. Even her modest accomplishment- raising taxes on oil companies is greatly exaggerated (program was initiated under the prior administration).
She is admittedly good at one thing- getting Wasilla and AK more in federal earmarks per capita than any other place in the nation!
Her record as mayor was sullied by having the town rec center built on land the town didn’t own, and then having to acquire it by eminent domain, which has cost millions in compensation and legal fees, leaving the Town far in debt.
Her record on cronyism: she appointed a friend to be a member of the 40 billion dollar Alaska investment trust board, who was a college drop out. She appointed her middle school basketball coach to the AK Fish and Wildlife commission because he liked to fish and hunt. She named a school friend to the AK Agricultural Board because she “liked cows as a child”.
Her administration as mayor and as governor have shown her to be a petty tyrant, threatening to fire the sheriff and librarian of a small town for “disloyalty”, and of course “Troopergate” her blood vendetta against her ex brother in law, trying to get him fired and deprived of workmen’s comp so he could not support her NINE nieces and nephews!.
Her bizarre religious beliefs, talking in tongues, faith healing, being blessed by an African witch chaser scare a lot of people.
Her popularity in AK was primarily due to her sharing the oil company wealth. Jasper, send me $5,000, and I will like you! (for a while).
Her popularity in AK has faded due to the misrepresentations made on the campaign trail, her stonewalling on Troopergate, and the McCain Campaign taking over the governor’s office.
She cheated on her taxes, by not reporting expenses of her family paid by the state, and by deducting First Dude’s snowmobile hobby loss, Her criticism of Biden for saying paying taxes is “patriotic” is telling.
Most concerning is her connection to the violently anti-American Alaska Independent Party which First Dude was a member of until 2002, and which she applauded in the last few months. Its founder was on his way to the UN, under the sponsorship of IRAN, to denounce the United States before the UN when he was murdered in 1993
Her connections with AIP domestic terrorists is more close and more recent than the William Ayers non-story. I say put her anti-semitic African witch-chasing evangelist up against Jeremiah Wright and let the people decide.
Most Americans don’t know much of this information, but they do know she is completely unqualified, and she, along with the economy and Bush have sunk the McCain campaign.
PCP,
Too much baloney to respond too.
But let me ask you about talking in tongues…what scares you about it? Do you understand how the holy spirit can work through people?
Jasper, Google your hero and learn, if you wish.
Since I can’t tell the difference between someone who is possessed by the Holy Spirit, and someone who is just plain crazy, I would err on the side of caution and not give them the ability to start nuclear wars. Just me.
“I would err on the side of caution and not give them the ability to start nuclear wars. Just me.”
Yea, I would feel more comfortable leaving it to a guy who attended Rev.’god-damn america’ Wright’s church for 20 years, or to a guy who is good buddies with is an unrepentant Domestic Terrorist who is repsonsible for the deaths of 2 police officers in Boston.
Posted by: prettyinpink at October 8, 2008 4:51 PM
Not for my dad who started his own business. He was much happier being remembered for the “surprise” paid days off he gave his employees and his generous Christmas bonuses.
He didn’t die rich, but he led a good life and his employees remember him as a generous man, not one driven by greed.
Of course, he was raised that way and raised his children that way as well.
Kristen,
I’m not accusing all businessmen of being greedy. But the capitalist system is based on greed. Unhindered capitalism means people raping the environment, raping people of their rights, huge gaps between rich and poor, exploitation, corruption, and seemingly unlimited wealth.
That’s why we put limits on our capitalism here. So it doesn’t go that far. There are ethical businessmen, that’s for sure. But I was speaking in terms of systematics. You can’t deny this–look at our past!
The Majority of Americans, Liz. The ones who want something better for our country, who understand our best days are ahead of us, not behind us. Who favor tax cuts to the middle class, not to corporation who ship jobs oversease. Some, perhaps, donate to Planned Parenthood (that doesn’t make one less American) Some put their daughters on the pill at 13, although I’m sure that’s no one’s first choice. It’s better than being pregnant at 14.
Posted by: Hal at October 7, 2008 4:05 PM
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I’m not sure if you’re comprehending the fact that the corporations choose to ship jobs overseas due to the high cost of doing business in the United States? You know things like… mandating health insurance for even business too small to make it practical, or raising the tax burden?
“You know things like… mandating health insurance for even business too small to make it practical”
A. Over 1/3 of businesses don’t give health insurance to employees. So I don’t know where it is “mandatory.”
B. Why would you support McCain’s health care plan, which will actually make it harder for businesses to provide health insurance to their employees?
“You know things like… mandating health insurance for even business too small to make it practical”
A. Over 1/3 of businesses don’t give health insurance to employees. So I don’t know where it is “mandatory.”
B. Why would you support McCain’s health care plan, which will actually make it harder for businesses to provide health insurance to their employees?
Posted by: prettyinpink at October 8, 2008 9:01 PM
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1) Obama is proposing to make it mandatory on businesses to offer health insurance despite the costs of doing so. This and the higher tax rates he will be imposing on small businesses and corporations will cause more of them to choose to operate elsewhere (or in the case of very small businesses, to either cut back to a single person operation, costing jobs, or to not expand beyond a single person operation, therefore not creating new jobs, aka stagnation ala Carter.)
2) How precisely do you feel that providing a tax credit towards the cost of health insurance going to make it more expensive for businesses to offer it? I’d like to hear your thoughts on the subject.
Elizabeth, McCain’s plan as I understand it eliminates the tax deduction for employer-provided health insurance by giving tax credit for non-group coverage. This removes incentive to offer group plans. By forcing people on group coverage into the nongroup coverage sicker individuals will as a whole have a harder time finding coverage for a decent rate (or at all). So generally, for people, higher out-of-pocket costs, due to the nongroup policies’ lesser coverage and higher deductibles, and insured people would likely decline due to the fact that the tax credit doesn’t adjust for inflation.
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/hlthaff.27.6.w472/DC1
“Living a life of poverty and servitude to God is a basic Christian tennet Liz.”
I think you mean “tenet”, Sally. And no, living a life of poverty is not something that every Christian is called to do — unless you mean spiritual poverty.
Posted by: Eileen #2 at October 7, 2008 9:49 PM
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Chrisitans are supposed to be called to spiritual riches through poverty. The only way to truely worship God is through the self deprivation of wordly wants or needs. By Christ’s example.
Your Pope doesn’t live like Christ. He lives like a feudal lord.
Perhaps you might learn more by paying attention to comprehension over spelling. Meaning over ritual.
plus, the tipping point in issues like this are the people who voted for bush because he seemed affable. “he looks like the kind of guy i’d have a beer with”
they’re the same people who are voting for obama because he “has gentle eyes” (i saw a woman who was interviewed say that that was why she was voting for obama. i wantwd to slap her.) or they’d like him on their basketball team.
sometimes they get it right accidentally, most times not.
Posted by: xalisae at October 8, 2008 1:07 AM
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It’s quite interesting that you would like to physically harm a woman that recogninzes a lack of abusivive intent in another’s eyes.
Posted by: prettyinpink at October 8, 2008 8:34 PM
I agree completely. But I believe that the greed was not the motivating factor for most businesses back in the day. The corner drug stores were opened by men not because they thought they’d get rich, but because they wanted a piece of the American dream. The owners of your average architectural firm, bakery, furniture shop, etc. did not think they’d make 40 million dollars a year, heck they were happy to make enough to live on and pay their employees.
It’s only been very recently that the greed has taken over, and again, for the majority of business owners that’s not the goal.
I’m not accusing all businessmen of being greedy. But the capitalist system is based on greed. Unhindered capitalism means people raping the environment, raping people of their rights, huge gaps between rich and poor, exploitation, corruption, and seemingly unlimited wealth.
Above from PIP.
I just re-read this and I don’t agree. Capitalism is what made America. It’s why we won WWI and II. It’s why even the poorest people can become wealthy. Try to move out of poverty in a Socialist or Communist society and it’s impossible. Only Capitalism affords you that possibility.
And there is no greater gap between rich and poor than there is in a Communist society.
Sally,
You love your children. You are a wonderful, loving, supportive mother. Why do you despise the process that brought them here?
Posted by: Carla at October 8, 2008 9:22 AM
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Carla, why do you deny the process that brings children into the world? Why do you find it convenient to negate your necessary role as the bioligal creator of a child?
Do you get more attention for having had an abortion than having had children?
PCP,
Too much baloney to respond too.
But let me ask you about talking in tongues…what scares you about it? Do you understand how the holy spirit can work through people?
Posted by: Jasper at October 8, 2008 6:03 PM
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The Bible talks about speaking in tongues. That would be a God given ability to speak a foreign language perhaps without prior knowledge of that language. A language understood by those that speak the language. That doesn’t include speaking in meaningless jibberish Jasper.
Jibberish isn’t scary. It’s stupid.
Sally,
That was a low blow and you know it. But I will respond.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
“And there is no greater gap between rich and poor than there is in a Communist society.”
Why don’t you re-read what I said. I said that I wanted a limited capitalist government. It is when you don’t limit it that you end up with these problems.
Posted by: prettyinpink at October 9, 2008 7:53 AM
Geeze Pip, no need to get testy. “Limited Capitalist” is an oxymoron.
Sally,
Carla has always been so patient and compassionate in her responses to your statements and you come back with ugly remarks. You are quick to accuse others of “anger issues” when it is really your unresolved anger involving something or someone else. God loves you and wants to heal you.
Sally,
Spiritual poverty means acknowledging that we are dependent upon God for everything. You can be a Christian and have material wealth. Those who have been blessed with much are also called to share it. (Not the way that Obama wants to by forcing but that it be shared freely!)
If you really bothered to look more deeply into the lives of our two recent popes, you wouldn’t make such ignorant remarks.
Oh and again I’m not talking about all businessmen being greedy. The fundamental aspect of capitalism-the system- is greed. That’s an objective observation. In some ways greed (and desire for money) is what drives the economy. I’m not saying that any other system of government is necessarily better either.
“Geeze Pip, no need to get testy. “Limited Capitalist” is an oxymoron”
I’m not testy. You just needed to re-read what I said.
Limited Capitalism is an oxymoron? Are you a libertarian? That would explain a lot. But, survey says, Unlimited Capitalism has created massive social problems. We have to limit it so that people can have equal opportunities to succeed.
Thanks Eileen. :)
Sally answers my question with a question. Sigh.
I was serious though Sally. You have given birth. Why do you come here and talk all about “the future gestational abilities” of women and domestic violence. I wouldn’t mind a good conversation from you. A volleying back and forth of ideas would be a nice change I think.
My children draw attention to themselves because they are crazy. Yep. Gave birth to all of them.
My story draws attention to the fact that abortion hurts women.
That is all, sweet Sally.
Posted by: prettyinpink at October 9, 2008 8:59 AM
Nope, not a libertarian. Capitalism is the system that works best. And it worked for quite a long time for the U.S. – until people started to care only about themselves. Again, underscored by abortion being okay and the “ME, ME, ME!” culture we live in today.
Even when you consider slaves on the tobacco and cotton plantations; we entered into a civil war to free the slaves, now we’re in a civil war (figuratively) for the right to kill unborn children (and in some cases born children.)
I know you’re pro-life so my disagreement isn’t with you. And personally I’d like to see people doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing, rather than because the government is watching them. Really, who’s watching the government? How is that a system of checks and balances? The government is as corrupt as business so it’s like the blind leading the blind. Again I say, until our priorities change things will stay the same.
Pip, I really like you but you seem to think that I’m trying to be – well, not nice. I don’t mean that. I was just discussing.
“And it worked for quite a long time for the U.S. – until people started to care only about themselves.”
Yeah I guess those pesky things like minimum wage, formation of unions, and prohibition of child workers was super selfish. My bad..
“civil war (figuratively) for the right to kill unborn children (and in some cases born children.)”
Right- I don’t disagree with you there.
“Really, who’s watching the government? ”
Well limited capitalism means that the government has enough oversight to offer equal opportunities to succeed that unfiltered capitalism doesn’t (back then there were monopolies, terrible standards for operation, and a huge gap between rich and poor.) But, I don’t think you can deny that some of this government expansion has actually been BECAUSE of the Bush administration. Their administration has approved of a lot of things that are opposite to freedoms that our country values, and in that case, your mission to limit government was not accomplished.
“Pip, I really like you but you seem to think that I’m trying to be – well, not nice. I don’t mean that. I was just discussing.”
Where was I not nice? I”m just discussing too–I looked up and reread my comments and don’t see anything mean in what I said, I was just explaining my views. Where are you getting that?
I would say that if you don’t like any limits on capitalism you are a libertarian. That is by definition who they are. They think the free market would fix everything. If not, you want capitalism with limitations; you want the government to have oversight so things don’t get out of control. My discussion with you would make a lot more sense to me if I can understand what you are saying.
Yeah I guess those pesky things like minimum wage, formation of unions, and prohibition of child workers was super selfish. My bad..
Oh, for crying out loud. I know you’re smart enough to know I was talking about the CEOs making millions. Come on.
I’m talking about the last 20 maybe 30 years that things have gotten really out of control. I have no problem with unions, etc. So I guess that makes me NOT a libertarian.
I don’t think I ever said anything about the Bush administration but whatever. My point was the attitude and conscience of today’s people overall and how it’s become magnified in the business world. But again, I think you know that already.
I guess I thought your comment of “Maybe you should re-read….” was a little out of line. When do you say that to people without being snippy? I know if I say something like that it’s b/c I’m being snippy. And the quote above was sarcastic. But you may just like sarcasm and if that’s not your meaning then I apologize.
I’m leaving for vacation tomorrow and have to pack. (Yippee!) Have a good one.
UGH my internet sucks.
Kristen, I think it was the fact that I thought you were talking about somethign different and we got our lines crossed. Regardless when I asked you to re-read it wasn’t meant to be snarky since I sometimes (okay a lot times) hastily read something and miss the point so I thought you might have missed mine. And yeah I use sarcasm sometimes, but never meant to cause offense, just to make conversations more fun :P
Anyway, I enjoyed this discussion, have a good vacation!
Elizabeth, McCain’s plan as I understand it eliminates the tax deduction for employer-provided health insurance by giving tax credit for non-group coverage. This removes incentive to offer group plans. By forcing people on group coverage into the nongroup coverage sicker individuals will as a whole have a harder time finding coverage for a decent rate (or at all). So generally, for people, higher out-of-pocket costs, due to the nongroup policies’ lesser coverage and higher deductibles, and insured people would likely decline due to the fact that the tax credit doesn’t adjust for inflation.
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/hlthaff.27.6.w472/DC1
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Okay, I see where that webpage states that, but that isn’t what the plan itself states. From what I can gather, that is something the Obama camp is claiming will happen, but it has been refuted by the McCain campaign and the fact checks done by several news organizations.
Everyone says that he is for removing the tax breaks received by employers for providing insurance to employees. But in actuality what is proposed is that health insurance would no longer be pre-tax wages… instead of taking your contribution to your employer’s plan out of your check and then calculating your taxes, your payroll department would calculate your taxes and then take out your contribution to your health insurance costs. The money spent on health insurance either through your company plan or independently would then be applied against your taxes at the end of the year.
It actually makes the system more fair… if I get health insurance at work and it is taken out pre-tax, that is a tax benefit for me. If you then have a job that doesn’t offer health insurance and you buy it with after tax dollars, you are penalized. By making it after tax dollars for both of us and then giving us both a break on our taxes for it, it becomes the same tax burden across the board.
From http://www.bradenton.com/politics/story/943576.html
“Grace-Marie Turner, president of the Galen Institute, a Virginia-based conservative health care research group, argued that employers wouldn’t simply abandon employees. Workers and their companies would have new incentive to work together to find ways to save on coverage, she said, particularly since McCain is not proposing to take away employers’ tax breaks for providing benefits.”
According to http://www.johnmccain.com/content/default.aspx?guid=9b94f39b-1650-4a3a-89ef-fba8cba4c868:
McCain Health Care Plan Preserves Employer Coverage: The McCain health plan builds on the employer-based system. Employers will have the same incentive to provide health insurance as they do today since they will continue to deduct the cost of health insurance they provide to employees. Nothing will change.