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wow. Tiller sure sounds reasonable. I love his testimony about helping women who don’t qualify for late term abortions, or who decide to continue with their pregnancy, get adoption help and advice. He and his wife took about 10 young women into their home while they were pregnant so they’d have a safe place to live while they waited to give birth and adopt out their baby.
I knew nothing about Dr Tiller except what I read here, turns out you guys demonized him a bit.
Hal, he kills full term babies!
Oh yeah, and he kills women!
I’m not so sure of that Bethany.
Please consider the source of the info about Dr. Tiller before you judge him.
I’m watching the man testify right now. Believe me, I was willing to think he was a criminal. I had no preconceptions.
He’s raising some doubts in my mind that he broke the law.
Oh Hal…I have heard it from his own mouth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpr_sN04j_0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Frsmccain.blogspot.com%2F2008%2F03%2Fvideo-dr-tiller-honored-at-nea.html&feature=player_embedded
Hal, you are the most brainwashed person I have ever come across.
I don’t care if he gives millions of dollars to charity and kisses babies on the head. He has killed over 60,000 children.
I’m sure all the evil men in the world have had some redeming qualities too.
The live stream is down right now, but I followed their reporter on Twitter. It looks like the defense is trying to paint Tiller as a saintly man who has been targeted by crazies.
He kills full term babies. He has no regard for the law, and has no defense other than ‘uh, it’s ok ‘cuz the crazies are out to get me!’
Hal, how can you defend someone who kills babies the day before they’re born?
Hal, he has no defense! He broke the law. Neuhaus admitted they had a relationship.
Just because this monster gives you warm fuzzies doesn’t mean he is innocent.
the live stream is working on my computer
He may have “killed over 60,000 children” but I’m not sure he broke any laws.
He does indeed have a defense, he followed the law and relied on the advice of the state Board.
How can you defend someone who on his website, talks about how he sticks a needle filled with poison into a baby’s heart to kill him over a period of days?
Hal will say that Tiller is a “good” guy and seems like he does a “good” job and only wants to “help” women. A “decent” man who took care of his family and how can we be so mean??!! Tiller is A OK right, Hal?
He may have “killed over 60,000 children” but I’m not sure he broke any laws.
That’s not the point, Hal. Your opening statement here was about how we have “demonized” him. That is totally untrue. We have only posted facts about Tiller. If they sound demon like, that’s because they are.
Carla, poor Tiller. People just don’t understand.
I don’t know the man, Carla. However, I also don’t know that he committed any crime. The State recommended he use Dr. Neauhaus as the second opinion doctor.
Other than the fact he performs abortion, what is your objection to this man?
Hal, can you tell me what you think about Tiller’s answers in the video I posted?
I know, Bethany. I know. Tiller at least has found a friend in Hal.
Other than the fact he performs abortion, what is your objection to this man?
Hal, are you kidding? You’re kidding, right?
Hal the “state” didn’t recommend anything. His friend who happened to be on the Healing Arts board told him it was a loop hole. Big difference.
I don’t know the man.
My main objection to the man is that he performs abortions. Late term abortions. He kills children on their due date. 60,000 children? Staggering.
I can only pray the jurors aren’t as brainwashed and awestruck as Hal.
Hal, do you really have NO problem with a full term baby being aborted?
Bethany, I’ll watch your link later. I don’t want to lose the live stream.
Lauren, if he’s guilty, he’s guilty. I agree I shouldn’t reach a conclusion just from his testimony. The jury will see the whole trial and they usually(not always) make the right decision.
Hal, have you ever been a lawyer for an abortionist?
Bethany, I have never been a lawyer for an abortionist. Or for an abortion rights organization. I have never given money to NARAL.
Hal, now seems like a good time for me to once again post the picture of my little boy. Here he is at 31 weeks, though he is the size of a 25 week old fetus.
Here’s Holden. Tiller kills babies exactly like Holden EVERY.SINGLE.DAY.
Thanks, Hal.
Bethany, I made a post with a link to a picture of my son. Could you please approve it?
Going there now, Lauren.
I don’t know the man, Carla. However, I also don’t know that he committed any crime
Posted by Hal.
He has been indicted by a grand jury, and is now on trial for a crime. What is the crime Hal?
It’s hard, but you can write to this board the crime he is charged with.
Since you don’t know the man, he might be found guilty. Then you’ll immediately discount in your mind his guilt from being a propagandist for abortion.
Soo Hal, let’s say your Tiller the altruistic money grubber, and your found guilty. Was it worth it?
Thanks, Bethany.
Hal, scroll up a bit and look at the picture of my son.
Tiller kills children EXACTLY like my son every day. He kills children OLDER than my son was in that picture. This is what you support.
Oh but Lauren, it isn’t illegal so therefore it must be okay.
Hey, did you know that until 1976, it was actually legal to kill Mormons in Missouri?
I wonder, Hal, if you would have defended a person who shot a mormon only a little over 30 years ago, because it was legal?
http://realchoice.0catch.com/library/weekly/aa051700a.htm
I won’t discount a guilty verdict if the jury votes that way. As I understand the charge, he’s accused of violating the requirement to get an independent second opinion from a licensed Kansas physician before performing post-viability abortions. He says he complied with the law as he understands it. Mens rea, (intent) will be a big issue. If the jury thinks he didn’t intent to violate the law, or acted in a good faith reliance on the advie of the state Board, he might be found not guilty.
What ever happened to “ignorance of a law isn’t a defense for breaking it?”
Bethany, you can condemn a man for doing something evil yet legal. You can only convict a man for doing something illegal.
I was unaware Tiller helped women put babies up for adoption, etc. It’s a different side of him then I usually read here (other than this site, I would never have heard of the guy)
Lauren, I saw the photo of your son. Thank you.
Lauren, depends of the law. Some laws are only broken if you “intend” to commit the crime. Others are able to be violated regardless of the intent.
I’m curious what your answer might be to my 10:44 AM post.
if most of the babies who died via abortion were “post viability” a c-section could have been done. They didn’t NEED to DIE, Hal. These babies are innocent of wrong doing. They did NOTHING wrong and they were condemned to die for being conceived.
As I understand the charge, he’s accused of violating the requirement to get an independent second opinion from a licensed Kansas physician before performing post-viability abortions.
posted by Hal.
Gee, your really avoiding or ignorant of the crime he is on trial for Hal. I never heard of a doctor having a chance to go to prison for “violating a requirementto get a independent second opinion”. Imagine that, a EMS doctor facing prison time for not getting a second opinion. That is a civil matter Hal, a lawsuit, and your playing ignorant because your a propagandist for abortion.
How many years is Tiller facing for not getting a second opinion?
Hal, he has done several illegal things. This trial has exposed his other illegal activities. Of course, the D.A. will probably do nothing to prosecute these other activities.
Remember that the D.A. who brought up these particular charges against Tiller ran his campaign saying that Tiller was an innocent man who was wrongly persecuted. Obviously his tune changed once he looked at the evidence.
If Tiller is not convicted, a travesty of justice has occured.
On another note, why does it matter in the slightest that he has done some good in his life? He kills children just like my son every day. If after that picture was taken, I killed my son and every other child in the NICU, would you laud me because I also donate to World Vision?
Maybe Tiller tips his waitress or helps his neighbor with her groceries or calls his mom everyday.
BUT
the man has killed 60,000 children!! Some like precious Holden.
yllas, the law in Kansas (as I understand it) prohibits (makes a crime) to do a post viability abortion without following the requirements of getting a second opinion. EMS doctors don’t have the same requirement. He’s not going to do any jail time, even if he’s convicted.
Soo Hal, let’s say your Dr. Hal, the altruistic money grubber, and your found guilty. Was it worth it?
Posted by: yllas at March 25, 2009 10:53 AM
See, now you can answer the question.
Maybe Tiller tips his waitress or helps his neighbor with her groceries or calls his mom everyday. ]
Hal…would you be as forgiving of a person like Eric Rudolph?
yllas, the law in Kansas (as I understand it) prohibits (makes a crime) to do a post viability abortion without following the requirements of getting a second opinion. EMS doctors don’t have the same requirement. He’s not going to do any jail time, even if he’s convicted.
Posted by: Hal at March 25, 2009 11:08 AM
Soo he is not on trial for a criminal matter?
Each count carries a maximum penalty of as long as a year in prison and a $2,500 fine…. It’s right above you under the title” Tiller trial opens today to abortionist fatigue”
What a propagandist, and a lazy one at that.
Eric Rudolph committed a serious crime. Tiller’s not accused of murder.
I’m not sure I’m “forgiving” of Dr. Tiller. Just tying to get more insight into the controversy. Before today I accepted at face value that he was probably some kind of low life.
I don’t think women generally “want” a late term abortion. I’m guessing there’s usually a pretty compelling reason.
I don’t think women generally “want” a late term abortion. I’m guessing there’s usually a pretty compelling reason.
But that’s not really what I asked, Hal.
Tell us Hal,
What attributes does a person have to have, to be a “low life”?
Eric Rudolph committed a serious crime. Tiller’s not accused of murder.
Okay, Hal. Per my post at 10:54, suppose it was 1970 and someone shot a mormon simply because…well, he was mormon. This man has done many good things in his life, and you know about those things, but he has killed the mormon too. Do you focus on the right that the man has done, and excuse him for the killing, because it was legal? Or do you accuse him of doing wrong?
Hal, he should be. He killed Christina Gilbert.
Also, according to redacted records some young women “want” to go to a concert more than they “want” to not have a late term abortion.
Anon, these are misdemeanors. They carry a potential jail sentence of up to a year. In my experience a first offender (and a professional) would never actually be sentenced to jail for a non-violent misdemeanor.
I’m getting the idea you people don’t like this guy.
I’ve got to get some work done today. Watch as much as the trial as you can. It actually is pretty interesting.
Hal, I can’t watch it at all from my house. It just keeps showing Neuhaus’ testimony.
As for Tiller, no we don’t like someone who killed 60,000 chidren.
Like him? Don’t like him? I don’t even know him, Hal. :)
I know Tiller by his deeds. I know him by his taking of innocent human life to the tune of 60,000.
Lauren,
We have the same brain today.
Yes we do, Carla!
I feel like we’re talking to someone who’s defending the uni-bomber or something.
Of course, that’s a bit unfair to the uni-bomber. He didn’t kill nearly as many people as Tiller.
Anon, these are misdemeanors. They carry a potential jail sentence of up to a year. In my experience a first offender (and a professional) would never actually be sentenced to jail for a non-violent misdemeanor.
Posted by: Hal at March 25, 2009 11:21 AM
Anon is me,Yllas.
You finally admitted/wrote that he is facing a criminal charge you silly abortion propaganidst.
That’s was the question you were asked.
But, since you don’t know him, your mind has already decided that Tiller will not face time in a state jail, or is that a state prision Hal?
He is charged with more then one misdeameanor count. Tiller is on trial for 19 misdeamenor counts. He is facing a maximum of 19 years in a jail or prison and quite a chunk o change in fines.
Scooter Libby thought the same way, and was a first offender too.
yllas, anything could happen. I don’t KNOW he won’t go to jail if convicted. But, I do have experience sentencing people for misdemeanors when I sat as a judge pro tem. I also have experience representing hundreds of people charged with misdemeanors. I’m making a prediction based on my experience and limited knowledge of the Tiller case. If he is convicted, we’ll all find out together what the judge does. Just don’t be so sure you’ll get to rejoice as he get’s hauled off to jail. I think it’s unlikely.
Just don’t be so sure you’ll get to rejoice as he get’s hauled off to jail. I think it’s unlikely.
Posted by: Hal at March 25, 2009 11:38 AM
You hillarious Hal. All I asked was, what was he on trial for. What criminal charge(s). When a person is brought to trial on multiple mesdeameanors, it really means his lawyer sucks. Those multi charges should have been reduced to one or two charges. You know that you silly abortion propagandist. Especially if he/she is a first offender and the special previledge of being a so called professional.
As for rejoicing if he is sent up. His life is over. Like all low lifes, once a light is shined on them, nobody wants to be near them.
I heart justice for the unborn, Hal. You must be a fan of justice as well.
Social justice begins in the womb.
There’s no real chance of Tiller being found innocent, is there? The defense is buying into the popular stereotype that he’s a saintly pro-choice based individual and that all of those crazy baby-loving nuts are out to get him- a stereotype that all-too often permeates American culture. And I really didn’t anticipate that one coming, but…honestly, with that caliber of a defense, does he stand a chance at getting away with this?
Pray that he doesn’t, Vannah.
From the part I watched, he certainly does have a chance of acquittal. His lawyer’s doing a good job, the prosecutor isn’t objecting much (which is often good strategy). It’s hard to tell how it’s going to play out.
the live stream is working on my computer
He may have “killed over 60,000 children” but I’m not sure he broke any laws.
He does indeed have a defense, he followed the law and relied on the advice of the state Board.
Posted by: Hal at March 25, 2009 10:36 AM
Hearsay and not allowed. Tiller is dumb as a bunch of rocks if he claimed that. He clearly didn’t check out the same board and her 3 consecutive years of problems by the KSBHA.
They had sanctions on her.she was on probation with the DEA also.
You need to brush up on the law and rules of evidence. Her malpractice complaints were online.
Eric Rudolph committed a serious crime. Tiller’s not accused of murder.
Okay, Hal. Per my post at 10:54, suppose it was 1970 and someone shot a mormon simply because…well, he was mormon. This man has done many good things in his life, and you know about those things, but he has killed the mormon too. Do you focus on the right that the man has done, and excuse him for the killing, because it was legal? Or do you accuse him of doing wrong?
Posted by: Bethany at March 25, 2009 11:21 AM
xppc, I understand the hearsay rule, including “unobjected hearsay is admissible.” I heard him talk about what the guy on the Board told him, including the suggestion to use Dr. Neauhaus as the second opinion physician. I don’t know if it is true, but I do know he testified about it. (and he showed the jury his daytimer recording the conversation in 1999)
xppc, insulting my knowledge of the rules of evidence is like insulting hisman’s knowledge of the Bible. I wouldn’t suggest it. I spend at least as much time each day with the rules of evidence as HisMans spends with the Bible.
Hal,
Spending time with material doesnt necessarily make you any better with the material. You have shown on this site repeatedly that you have no individual thought or at the least that you do not desire to use it. What would make us think anything different about how you spend your time elsewhere? Im not too impressed with the “I would know, seriously” argument, especially when it comes from someone with a demonstrated cognitive deficiency.
oh my. A “demonstrated congnitive deficiency?” Really?
I’m no expert on abortion, philosophy, morality, or biology. I am, however, an expert on the Rules of Evidence.
Hi Hal. I have a question about your first comment on this thread. Were those women he took into his home women who’d seen him professionally or were they referred to him by others?
If he took patients into his home, isn’t that a boundary issue? I looked at the Kansas Healing Arts site and I didn’t see where it would be a violation per se. But I was surprised that you praised him for doing this. Would you counsel docs or nurses to take patients home? I sure wouldn’t!
He said some patients didn’t qualify or changed their minds about the abortion. Some had no safe place to stay. Over the years he and his wife took in about 10 young women in this situation.
At that point, they’re no longer his patients, so I’m not sure if the boundary issue comes into play. I probably would not advise it, but it seemed like a nice thing to do, and different than what I expected after reading about him here.
I probably would not advise it
Whew! Thanks, Hal.
I’m really interested in the answer to Bethany’s question @ 1:18.
Do we know how many viable babies were incorrectly assessed as “inviable” and aborted because Tiller didn’t follow the law? Is there an acceptable number? Tiller’s ignorance is no excuse and his sloppy adherence to State regulation is despicable.
HAL?
He said some patients didn’t qualify or changed their minds about the abortion. Some had no safe place to stay. Over the years he and his wife took in about 10 young women in this situation.
Oh please. He should have put them on a bus with lunch money and sent them home to their families.
He should have put them on a bus with lunch money and sent them home to their families.
Posted by: Janet at March 25, 2009 2:44 PM
Janet, their “families” might be the problem. Remember, rape, incest, etc?
“Do we know how many viable babies were incorrectly assessed as “inviable” and aborted because Tiller didn’t follow the law?”
Do we know of any?
And, no, it was not okay to murder Mormons, even if it was legal.
Why didn’t he refer them to social assistance agencies? Did he get kickbacks for adoption referrals? Was there something about the “treatment” these women had received that he needed to keep quiet?
Hard to believe he was being altruistic, but I suppose anything is possible.
Do we know of any?
I don’t know for certain, but it happens. Jill has posted on cases where an anomaly was suspected, an abortion was suggested by the doctor, the parents declined, and then the baby was born perfectly healthy. The law requiring two opinions would not exist if there wasn’t the possibility of an incorrect diagnosis, right?
Whether this misdiagnosis was the case for 2 babies, 10 babies or 50, it is still not acceptable and Tiller should be held accountable.
“Whether this misdiagnosis was the case for 2 babies, 10 babies or 50, it is still not acceptable and Tiller should be held accountable.”
This is a hypothetical, of course.
It should read “… and Tiller WOULD be accountable.”
I find it extremely difficult, and practically impossible to belive that Tiller took even ONE pregnant woman, much less 10 of them, into his home so they could “continue with their pregnancies”.
Based on this madman’s history, and the kind of “work” he does, you’d have to be pretty dense to belive this.
And, no, it was not okay to murder Mormons, even if it was legal.
By “not okay”, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that it would have been a crime?
Hal…another thought: I noticed you used the term “murder”, when it wouldn’t have been legally murder to kill a Mormon when killing one was legal. Was that a mistake?
(It wouldn’t have been murder, it would have been correctly termed “extermination”.)
oh my. A “demonstrated congnitive deficiency?” Really?
Posted by: Hal at March 25, 2009 2:09 PM
;)
Bethany, following your link:
“The legality and propriety of Boggs’ order were vigorously debated in the Missouri legislature during its 1839 session. The order was supported by most northwest Missouri citizens, but was questioned or denounced by others. However, no determination of the order’s legality was ever made.”
I’d still call it murder. I don’t think the Order justified the killings.
I find it extremely difficult, and practically impossible to belive that Tiller took even ONE pregnant woman, much less 10 of them, into his home so they could “continue with their pregnancies”.
Based on this madman’s history, and the kind of “work” he does, you’d have to be pretty dense to belive this.
Posted by: Mike at March 25, 2009 3:16 PM
Maybe you have misjudged his motives Mike?
Mike, 3:16, I agree. There is no way I believe that story.
Even if it were true, however, it would never cancel out what Tiller has done to destroy lives of women and their children over all of these years.
xppc, I understand the hearsay rule, including “unobjected hearsay is admissible.” I heard him talk about what the guy on the Board told him, including the suggestion to use Dr. Neauhaus as the second opinion physician. I don’t know if it is true, but I do know he testified about it. (and he showed the jury his daytimer recording the conversation in 1999)
xppc, insulting my knowledge of the rules of evidence is like insulting hisman’s knowledge of the Bible. I wouldn’t suggest it. I spend at least as much time each day with the rules of evidence as HisMans spends with the Bible.
Posted by: Hal at March 25, 2009 1:21 PM
You can’t be serious. This is exactly how docs and lawyers fill out expense reports after the fact. Yep they covered this and objected to a last minute claim by the defense before the trial started.
This is using documentation created after the fact to “refresh ones memory”
You may not realize that the speaker was not available to verify his side of the claim.
my kids did this. They came to me telling me mom gave them permission.
The KSBHA also doesn’t set legal standards as pertaining to her being independent. They may have just given her as a lead since she was in deep trouble and couydln’t set up her own shop and run it independently.
Dr Kristin is functional as a fully qualified back alley abortionist.
Hal are you honest enough to admit that the patients had no idea the dr kristin had problems with the law? That she had valium drug prescription problems and had to get permission to get another drug prescription and under probation for 3 years had to report ddaily drug use?
I’d still call it murder. I don’t think the Order justified the killings.
But it was legal, yes? Even though there were those that denounced the order? MOST supported it (according to that quote you posted), and it was perfectly legal to kill them, Hal.
People denounce abortion today and question abortion’s legality, based on the constitution. What makes this different?
xppc,
I have no information about this doctor. I haven’t followed her practice or even Dr. Tiller’s. If she was licensed despite these “problems” I’m not sure the patients needed to know her private issues. If the state wanted to make it public, or thought her patients should know, they could have ordered that.
I’m not even saying Dr. Tiller is telling the truth. I have no idea. I was just commenting on what he said.
RE: xppc & Hal on the hearsay rule
Tiller’s statements regarding what the Board told him aren’t hearsay anyway since the statements weren’t offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted, but rather as evidence of Tiller’s reasonable belief that he was complying with the law.
Maybe you have misjudged his motives Mike?
rotflmbo
Hal…another thought: I noticed you used the term “murder”, when it wouldn’t have been legally murder to kill a Mormon when killing one was legal. Was that a mistake?
Posted by: Bethany at March 25, 2009 3:19 PM
very astute, Bethany!
OT here, but does anyone know what Tiller charges for a late term abortion ? I read or heard somewhere that the fee starts at $6000.00
At 6 grand apiece, and for as many as he’s done, you’d think he could afford legitimate, licensed help……
Mike, he testified today that he charges 6000 per late term abortion and does 200-300 a year. He said he has high overhead and “only” makes about 32% of that.
So lets just say does 250 abortions in a given year.
32% of 6000 is 1920
1920 x 250 = 480,000
That’s how much killing viable children nets him every year. And pro-choicers say killing children isn’t a lucrative field!
Tiller has millions in legal He is running 3-4 on this case as we speak. He has to fund the campaigns of democrats so he won’t get shut down. This case alone has had 5-10 motions to dismiss and other incidents filed. No one has ever battled so hard to avoid a verdict. he filed a case against the former Attorney ?general claim malisious prosecution and got no where.
“No one has ever battled so hard to avoid a verdict. he filed a case against the former Attorney”
I can assure that this is not true. OJ? Captain Hazelwood? There are countless examples. It’s what rich people do when they get indicted.
You know what I don’t understand.
Tiller brings in big, big money. Why in the world does he drive that beat up Jeep?
Given his legal predicament and the money he’s shelling out for lawyers fees, maybe he can’t get a car loan ! LOL
Maybe he donates a lot of it to facilities and programs helping teen and other disadvantaged mothers.
Maybe he doesn’t. What would it prove, asitis?
He kills children by the thousands some on their due dates BUT he sure seems like a “nice” guy. Yes, indeedy a “super swell” person who does so many other “good” things.
What would it prove? It might suggest your assumptions about his motives for the work he does are all wrong.
Would that matter to you? I don’t think so.
It might suggest your assumptions about his motives for the work he does are all wrong.
no, it really wouldn’t.
Asitis, Hitler did many good things in his lifetime, for Germany and even the rest of the world. He was the driving force behind the Volkswagon…he built railroads and dams, he was a brilliant artist, he built rocket engines, jet propulsion…he loved his German Shepherd very much.
Does this change your opinion about his motives?
Asitis, Hitler did many good things in his lifetime, for Germany and even the rest of the world. He was the driving force behind the Volkswagon…he built railroads and dams, he was a brilliant artist, he built rocket engines, jet propulsion…he loved his German Shepherd very much.
Does this change your opinion about his motives?
Posted by: Bethany at March 26, 2009 8:07 AM
Of course not. What do these things have to do with his killing Jews? Perhaps you should have asked if they changed my opinion of him?
Would they?
Would they change my opinion of HIM? No they would not. Because I believe he was evil because of what he did to the Jews. Nothing else he did matters to me.
Now, if Tiller gave tons of money to facilities and programs that supported teen and other disadvantaged mothers, that might change your opinion of what motivated his work. Would that change your opinion of him? As I said to Carla, i don’t think so. Because he performs abortions nothing else matters to you, including his motives. I can appreciate that.
You know what I don’t understand.
Tiller brings in big, big money. Why in the world does he drive that beat up Jeep?
Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2009 11:32 PM
Thanks for the great question. Checking around even used car salemen have scrupples. None of them want to stoop low enough to deal with him. It is far too yucky. Would you want to shake his hand? do you know where it has been?
Asitis, nice way to backpeddle. You said:
“What would it prove? It might suggest your assumptions about his motives for the work he does are all wrong.”
So what was the point of posting this:
“Maybe he donates a lot of it to facilities and programs helping teen and other disadvantaged mothers. ”
?
What part of He.Kills.Children. do we not understand here, asitis?
Carla, you’d think it would be so obvious…. It’s amazing that this has to be spelled out for anyone. I feel like we’re talking to a bunch of dysfunctional robots.
Asitis, nice way to backpeddle. You said:
“What would it prove? It might suggest your assumptions about his motives for the work he does are all wrong.”
So what was the point of posting this:
“Maybe he donates a lot of it to facilities and programs helping teen and other disadvantaged mothers. ”
?
Posted by: Anonymous at March 26, 2009 8:36 AM
Back pedal???? Huh???? How did I back pedal??????
What was my point of posting that? Because as I alreeady said, it might suggest that your assumptions about his motives are wrong. Would his motives matter to Carla and other prolifers? I don’t think so (correct me if I’m wrong). But it might matter to someone who is pro choice.
Would they change my opinion of HIM? No they would not. Because I believe he was evil because of what he did to the Jews. Nothing else he did matters to me.
posted by ASitis.
Soo, its’ only the Jews, again, being experimented on for med, progress, euthanized to allow another German to eat his portion, and not starve, that made him evil?
Anything else?
Kinda like the decision to abort a fetus, more food for you.
Yeah, that’s right yllas. Because we are so short of food here in this country. That’s why
I’m pro choice.
What WAS I thinkin’ birthin’ those two sons of mine!
lordy lordy
What was my point of posting that? Because as I alreeady said, it might suggest that your assumptions about his motives are wrong.
To those who already are gushing over him? That couldn’t have been your target, because they already think he’s great. Besides, you were speaking to Carla. You are lying.
He’s right, Asitis.
Motive Schmotive. He.Kills.Children.
Kinda like the decision to abort a fetus, more food for you.
Exactly, Yllas. How many times have we seen “pro-choicers”complain about the Duggars being “selfish” because of their choice to have more than the “perfect” 2.2 children?
How many times have we heard that they are “destroying the earth”, and being “irresponsible” because they are “taking food and resources from others”?
Motive Schmotive. He.Kills.Children.
Thanks Carla..motive doesn’t matter when you’re killing children every day. To think otherwise is insanity.
No, I most certainly am not lying Bethany.
When I posted the original comment I was not speaking to Carla. After that she asked what my point was and I explained. And i also said that I appreciated it would make no difference to her.
Who would his motives make a difference to? Not prolifers. But possibly prochoicers. You don’t think it matters to prochoicers what his motives are?
I find it hard to believe that one has to Spell.It.Out.
He.Kills.Children. Who knows? It might sink in.
Please explain how his motives might matter to prochoicers?? Make it easier to swallow I imagine.
When I posted the original comment I was not speaking to Carla. After that she asked what my point was and I explained. And i also said that I appreciated it would make no difference to her.
Who were you speaking to, then? The people who already thought he was a beacon of light? Preaching it to the choir, Asitis?
What do you think his motives are, Asitis?
Who would his motives make a difference to? Not prolifers. But possibly prochoicers. You don’t think it matters to prochoicers what his motives are?
Nope. I think it only matters to “pro-choicers” that babies are continued to be killed every day, at whatever cost.
Yeah, that’s right yllas. Because we are so short of food here in this country. That’s why
I’m pro choice.
What WAS I thinkin’ birthin’ those two sons of mine!
lordy lordy
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 8:49 AM
Anything else about the leader of the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party, that you find evil?
Germany had a food shortage after WW1, during WW2, and after. So your now claiming that famines are not used as a reason to kill um(abort) before they can eat your socialist portion of the food supply? Abortion, keeping the nation from oblivion by saving the worthy. Are you the worthy Asiitis?
The food shortage was not by chance, it was a policy to kill um by starvation. It brought about the extermination of more Jews in the end.
By the way, when you asked on the other thread, ” When did I say I support third trimester abortions?”
well, here’s your answer: Right here.
When you defend a man who performs 3rd trimester abortions, you are supporting 3rd trimester abortions.
You support 3rd trimester abortions and support full term babies being killed, by a man who might have done “charitable” things in his lifetime.
Carla, I honestly don’t know that I can make it easier for you to swallow. But since you asked I will answer: If he is doing this in the best interests of women and the unborn rather than because he wants to get rich or hates women and children or wants to do they harm, that would make a difference to pro-choicers.
Now I know, I know, I know this is goes against how you very strongly feel. I appreciate that. And I don’t expect that you will agree with what I just wrote. But you were asking me how it might matter to prochoicers.
If he is doing this in the best interests of women and the unborn rather than because he wants to get rich or hates women and children or wants to do they harm, that would make a difference to pro-choicers.
If Hitler was killing Jews for the best interests of his fellow Germans, and not because he hated the jews, would that make a difference to you?
Asitis.
Have you explained, to your two off spring, your belief in killing from the reason of pain and suffering as compassion?
Got any other reasons for euthanasia, besides pain and suffering, Herr Asitis?
It’s okay to kill babies who are fully viable as long as you do it “in good faith”, right, Asitis?
When I posted the original comment I was not speaking to Carla. After that she asked what my point was and I explained. And i also said that I appreciated it would make no difference to her.
Who were you speaking to, then? The people who already thought he was a beacon of light? Preaching it to the choir, Asitis?
What do you think his motives are, Asitis?
Who would his motives make a difference to? Not prolifers. But possibly prochoicers. You don’t think it matters to prochoicers what his motives are?
Nope. I think it only matters to “pro-choicers” that babies are continued to be killed every day, at whatever cost.
Posted by: Bethany at March 26, 2009 9:04 AM
Who was I speaking to? Those who might see how it would matter to others. Or those who it might matter to.
I don’t know enough about him to say for certain what his motives are.
Do you really think the only thing that matters to prochoicers is that “babies are continued to be killed every day, at whatever cost”? Really?
Do you really think the only thing that matters to prochoicers is that “babies are continued to be killed every day, at whatever cost”? Really?
People like you do. There may be some rare pro-choicer who is on the fence and doesn’t realize what is going on, but those who spend every waking moment defending abortion as you do, ABSOLUTELY.
By the way, when you asked on the other thread, ” When did I say I support third trimester abortions?”
well, here’s your answer: Right here.
When you defend a man who performs 3rd trimester abortions, you are supporting 3rd trimester abortions.
You support 3rd trimester abortions and support full term babies being killed, by a man who might have done “charitable” things in his lifetime.
Posted by: Bethany at March 26, 2009 9:06 AM
Bethany I am not supporting anything here. I am just telling you how and why it might make a difference to some prochoicers.
Please explain how his motives might matter to prochoicers?? Make it easier to swallow I imagine.
Posted by: Carla at March 26, 2009 9:02 AM
Motive Schmotive. He.Kills.Children.
Thanks Carla..motive doesn’t matter when you’re killing children every day. To think otherwise is insanity.
Posted by: Bethany at March 26, 2009 8:59 AM
Okay, can we have a deal then? No more posts about how Planned Parenthood is greedy, in it for the money, trying to get rich off abortions, etc. Motives don’t matter
In fact, using Asitis’ logic, I think that every murderer can be excused, as long as you can prove they murdered “in good faith”. Every person who bombs a building full of people can be excused, as long as you can show that they did it “in good faith, with great motives!”
Everyone who rapes a woman can be excused, as long as you can show that they didn’t do it with poor motives!
If Hitler was killing Jews for the best interests of his fellow Germans, and not because he hated the jews, would that make a difference to you?
Posted by: Bethany at March 26, 2009 9:15 AM
No. Just as Tiller’s motives make no difference to you. As I have already explained to you at 8:34am Bethany.
Okay, can we have a deal then? No more posts about how Planned Parenthood is greedy, in it for the money, trying to get rich off abortions, etc. Motives don’t matter
Hal, I’m kind of curious as to your answer to my last post to you at March 25, 2009 3:38 PM.
It’s okay to kill babies who are fully viable as long as you do it “in good faith”, right, Asitis?
Posted by: Bethany at March 26, 2009 9:19 AM
Sneaky girl. Nice try…..
Bethany I am not supporting anything here. I am just telling you how and why it might make a difference to some prochoicers.
LOL who in the world do you think you are fooling?
No. Just as Tiller’s motives make no difference to you. As I have already explained to you at 8:34am Bethany.
But you already explained that pro-choicers can be swayed to believe that someone who does something wrong is okay as long as they had good motives. You explained that even though pro-lifers can’t be swayed that way, pro-choicers can.
Do you really think the only thing that matters to prochoicers is that “babies are continued to be killed every day, at whatever cost”? Really?
People like you do. There may be some rare pro-choicer who is on the fence and doesn’t realize what is going on, but those who spend every waking moment defending abortion as you do, ABSOLUTELY.
Posted by: Bethany at March 26, 2009 9:23 AM
Well you are wrong about me Bethany. And wrong about every prochoice person I know.
ASitis.
Is suicide a decision you allow? Isn’t it the more direct euthanaisa, without a another person using your body to fulfill your wish/want/decision to die?
Well you are wrong about me Bethany. And wrong about every prochoice person I know.
I disagree.
Sneaky girl. Nice try….
Nice try at what? Reiterating what you have already clearly said?
Darn, I gotta run. Will be back later.
In fact, using Asitis’ logic, I think that every murderer can be excused, as long as you can prove they murdered “in good faith”. Every person who bombs a building full of people can be excused, as long as you can show that they did it “in good faith, with great motives!”
Everyone who rapes a woman can be excused, as long as you can show that they didn’t do it with poor motives!
Posted by: Bethany at March 26, 2009 9:25 AM
Well sure Bethany, that would follow my logic Bethany if you personally believed that there were reasons to excuse murder and rape. I don’t believe there are. And I think you’d be hard pressed to find others that would agree with you.
Well you are wrong about me Bethany. And wrong about every prochoice person I know.
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 9:29 AM
Another narcissistic character apprasial of yourself Asitis?
And this absolute statement; EVERY person I know.
Care to give us a number to quantify this “EVERY person I know” statement?
Bethany I am not supporting anything here. I am just telling you how and why it might make a difference to some prochoicers.
LOL who in the world do you think you are fooling?
Posted by: Bethany at March 26, 2009 9:27 AM
I’m not trying to fool anyone Bethany. You have asked me questions and I have answered honestly.
Well you are wrong about me Bethany. And wrong about every prochoice person I know.
I disagree.
Posted by: Bethany at March 26, 2009 9:29 AM
Well then once again you are calling me a liar. That I am not. But if you want to believe that I cannot stop you.
People denounce abortion today and question abortion’s legality, based on the constitution. What makes this different?
Posted by Bethany: at March 25, 2009 3:38 PM
Bethany, I don’t disagree. Abortion’s legality can be questioned. You can argue it should be illegal. You can argue that it’s evil and immoral even if legal. Am I missing your point?
ASitis.
Is suicide a decision you allow? Isn’t it the more direct euthanaisa, without a another person using your body to fulfill your wish/want/decision to die?
Asitis.
Have you explained, to your two off spring, your belief in killing from the reason of pain and suffering as compassion?
Got any other reasons for euthanasia, besides pain and suffering, Herr Asitis?
No answer.
Sneaky girl. Nice try….
Nice try at what? Reiterating what you have already clearly said?
Posted by: Bethany at March 26, 2009 9:31 AM
Nice try and getting me to state my position. And nice try again here at trying to say I “clearly said” something I never even said.
Sneaky , sneaky Bethany.
ASitis.
Have you lied in your life?
Is suicide a decision you allow? Isn’t it the more direct euthanaisa, without a another person using your body to fulfill your wish/want/decision to die?
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 9:29 AM
What the heck are you talking about? “Allow” suicide? How do you propose to not allow it?
Hal.
Allow, believe in, to decide to use your will as a final act to self murder yourself.
Do you believe in suicide, for yourself, as a option to end your pain and suffering?
Do you believe in others being allowed to murder themself?
Yes yllas, I can say that the only thing that matters to prochoicers is that “babies are continued to be killed every day, at whatever cost” is incorrect for EVERY prochoice person I know. How many prochoice people do I know? Well, I’ll have to think on that. Heaven forbid I estimate wrong! Patricia (or was she toostunned then?) tried to call me a liar for saying I had 100 friends. I’ll have to do a rough count. LOL!
Now, as for you questions about euthanasia. You know how I feel about that. And I know how you feel. Snore…………….
ASitis.
Have you lied in your life?
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 9:40 AM
Ever? Of course. You?
ASitis.
Is suicide a decision you allow? Isn’t it the more direct euthanaisa, without a another person using your body to fulfill your wish/want/decision to die?
Asitis.
Have you explained, to your two off spring, your belief in killing from the reason of pain and suffering as compassion?
Got any other reasons for euthanasia, besides pain and suffering, Herr Asitis?
No answer.
You have this intellectual flaw where you think you know the discourse of a argument, which will end in you once again ending as a person who is hypocrite. Or you being a contradiction of your own words, once again.
Do as I say, not as I do.
No. Just as Tiller’s motives make no difference to you. As I have already explained to you at 8:34am Bethany.
But you already explained that pro-choicers can be swayed to believe that someone who does something wrong is okay as long as they had good motives. You explained that even though pro-lifers can’t be swayed that way, pro-choicers can.
Posted by: Bethany at March 26, 2009 9:28 AM
Betahny, I did not say prochoicers can be swayed to believe that someone who does something WRONG is okay if they do it for the right reasons. You are forgetting we are talking about prochoicers here. They do not believe that abortion is inherently wrong. That’s your descriptive.
Ever? Of course. You?
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 9:49 AM
Which makes you a liar. Soo, although your defensive narcissistic thinking that Bethany is confirming your self-affirmed ability to lie, I see no words from Bethany confirming your a liar.
ASitis.
Is suicide a decision you allow? Isn’t it the more direct euthanaisa, without a another person using your body to fulfill your wish/want/decision to die?
Asitis.
Have you explained, to your two off spring, your belief in killing from the reason of pain and suffering as compassion?
Got any other reasons for euthanasia, besides pain and suffering, Herr Asitis?
No answer.
You have this intellectual flaw where you think you know the discourse of a argument, which will end in you once again ending as a person who is hypocrite. Or you being a contradiction of your own words, once again.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 9:53 AM
I love it when you call me a hypocrite yllas. Thanks for being you. The predictability and nonsense never ceases to amuse!
What, no desserted island fantasy today? Dang! And I just shaved my legs too!
Okay… do I “allow” suicide yllas? As Hal already explained, that’s a strange question. You’ll have to rephrase.
Are you asking if I am okay with someone who is dying and capable of killing themselves to choose to do so in order to end their pain and die with dignity? Well why would you think iwouldn’t be seeing as i support euthanasia.
Have I discussed euthanasia with my boys? No, the issue has not come up.Would/will I? Of course.
Do you believe in suicide, for yourself, as a option to end your pain and suffering?
Do you believe in others being allowed to murder themself?
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 9:46 AM
Or course. why not?
Ever? Of course. You?
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 9:49 AM
Which makes you a liar. Soo, although your defensive narcissistic thinking that Bethany is confirming your self-affirmed ability to lie, I see no words from Bethany confirming your a liar.
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 9:59 AM
Yllas, a liar is one who habitually lies.
Otherwise we are all liars.
Anyone out there, yes you included yllas, who can say they never, ever lied in their entire life? Pinky swear? Swear on a stack of bibles? Cross your heart hope to die?
Asitis, we are all liars.
Have I discussed euthanasia with my boys? No, the issue has not come up.Would/will I? Of course.
posted by Asitis.
And we can come to a conclusion you believe in suicide. Now, for yourself, Asitis? At what point of pain and suffering will you act on your belief of suicide?
Since you are a preacher for the allowing of others to murder yourself, when will you inform your off spring that they may kill themselves by direct means, suicide, or the less honorable form of suicide, euthanasia?.
Asitis, we are all liars.
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2009 10:16 AM
I don’t believe everyone lies habitually, do you Lauren? I know I don’t.
Maybe you mean something different?
Since you are a preacher for the allowing of others to murder yourself, when will you inform your off spring that they may kill themselves by direct means, suicide, or the less honorable form of suicide, euthanasia?.
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 10:16 AM
My father has asked me to help him when his day comes.
Yllas, a liar is one who habitually lies
posted by ASitis.
Soo, your not a liar unless you are a recurrent, often unconscious pattern of behavior that is accuired by repetition(habit def, Houghton miflin)?
A liar who doesn’t know he/she is lying, is what has happen to you Asitis. It beings with the personality trait of being a narcissist.
But, if a person lies once in a while, like a person who murders once in a while, is not a murderer Asitis?
And we can come to a conclusion you believe in suicide. Now, for yourself, Asitis? At what point of pain and suffering will you act on your belief of suicide?
Since you are a preacher for the allowing of others to murder yourself, when will you inform your off spring that they may kill themselves by direct means, suicide, or the less honorable form of suicide, euthanasia?.
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 10:16 AM
When would I kill myself? I don’t know. And I don’t know if I would.
When will I inform my offspring they can? Hopefully never.
My father has asked me to help him when his day comes.
Posted by: Hal at March 26, 2009 10:27 AM
So he has no honor. That’s ashame. He can’t murder himself with any dignity.
Can’t you convince him to keep his honor and commit sepeku?
When would I kill myself? I don’t know. And I don’t know if I would.
When will I inform my offspring they can? Hopefully never.
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 10:29 AM
Now, you have made yourself a preacher of emptyness. Under what conditions will you kill yourself?
It’s a question which any thinking person can answer.
If you believe in abortion, which is another issue where you are controlling your body and life, where is this hypocricy coming from not informing your off spring of a right to control their life in the times where pain and suffering give meaning to death?
You have informed them of the reason for abortion, which is the right to your body?
Why not euthanasia?
BTW, have you informed them of the right to end the life of a fetus?
ASitis.
Since you believe in euthansasia, when pain and suffering are increasing and your heading toward death; when should have Jesus committed suicide or had another euthanize him, before he went through all that unnecessary pain and suffering?
Why do you think Jesus didn’t do as you preach, but you won’t do, Asitis?
Yllas, I have not discussed abortion nor euthanasia with my boys. It has not been an issue yet. If they asked me, I would discuss either honestly and openly (yes, I know you may not see my honesty as such but that doesn’t really matter). These are both things for them to eventually decide on themselves…. what their position is for themselves and others.
ASitis.
Since you believe in euthansasia, when pain and suffering are increasing and your heading toward death; when should have Jesus committed suicide or had another euthanize him, before he went through all that unnecessary pain and suffering?
Why do you think Jesus didn’t do as you preach, but you won’t do, Asitis?
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 10:52 AM
Did I say I “won’t do” yllas? I said i don’t honestly know what i would do.
So are these Jesus questions hypothetical?
Asitis,
I don’t need to make anything Tiller does, easier to swallow. You do. Perhaps thinking of him as a kind man who helps disadvantaged youth at times makes it seem not so horrible to kill a defenseless child with a needle to the heart.
Real men stand up for women and children. Real men of character fight to protect innocent women and children, whatever the cost to themselves. They would die for them. They do not kill innocent women and children in the name of “help.”
Tiller maims. Tiller harms. Tiller kills the least of these.
To all of the men that are fighting the good fight along with me, I say THANK YOU!! We need more like you and I am very blessed to have 3 sons and a husband that will fight.
asitis,
When abortion or euthanasia becomes an issue is not a good time to discuss the issue. Your sons have a peer group and a culture that I am sure has already taken care of that for you.
Carla, my boys do not need to have an opinion on abortion not euthanasia right now, or anytime in the near future. They do not have to make nor contribute to either decision for a long time, if ever.
Their position on either issue will be one they decide on their own.
I thought your boys were high school age? They already have an opinion I am sure. So with no input from either parent they will come up with a position on it? Wow. Way to leave parenting up to others.
It was my lack of parents involvement in my life, their lack of guidance that led me down a very dangerous path. “Troubled youth” you call it. :)
My eldest boy certainly knows where mom and dad stand on issues. :) He’s 11. Issues of life or death, like abortion and euthanasia are pretty big. I think.
I second that Carla. I debated abortion as early as 13 years old. It was very important to me. Im sure not all 13 years olds are as concerned as I was, but I wouldnt automatically dismiss the notion.
Awesome, Oliver! I am sure you appreciate the prolife video of the 12 year old girl too? :)
Asitis.
Now, you have made yourself a preacher of emptyness. Under what conditions will you murder yourself?
It’s a question which any thinking person can answer.
No answer. No thinking, to avoid answering her contradiction within herself as a dishonest hypocrite.
Yllas, I have not discussed abortion nor euthanasia with my boys. It has not been an issue yet. If they asked me, I would discuss either honestly and openly (yes, I know you may not see my honesty as such but that doesn’t really matter). These are both things for them to eventually decide on themselves…. what their position is for themselves and others.
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 11:00 AM
Your being a loon, you will inform them that euthansia, suicide, and abortion are in agreement with your beliefs based on doing what you want with your body.
That is your philosophical basis Asitis; “to do with your body as you want”.
The answer to suffering is to kill yourself.
The answer to unwanted life/abortion is to kill another human being.
You have no sound,logical arguement against not commiting suicide, euthanizing yourself, or having some women they impregnate to not have a abortion.
Or, you can list them right now.
List those reasons against, to not commit suicide,
or abort, or euthanize themselves.
You can’t have a honest discussion with your off spring, because your here preaching for those three actions which control your body.
Which brings up you having no right to deny them killing themselves when the time comes for them to act on your philosophy.
Much less vice. Such as drugs or alcohol, and much more.
Carla, my boys do not need to have an opinion on abortion not euthanasia right now, or anytime in the near future. They do not have to make nor contribute to either decision for a long time, if ever.
Their position on either issue will be one they decide on their own.
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 11:46 AM
Your a sick hypocrite, who has now reached the zenith of a liberal, who can plead ignorance if their child acts on their philosophy of suicide.
Keep um stupid. Stupid of your fervent ideas that end in killing yourself, helping kill another, or killing another human being.
Asitis.
List the reasons suicide is honorable.
Same with having another person kill you.
What honor is contained within euthanasia?
I thought your boys were high school age? They already have an opinion I am sure. So with no input from either parent they will come up with a position on it? Wow. Way to leave parenting up to others.
It was my lack of parents involvement in my life, their lack of guidance that led me down a very dangerous path. “Troubled youth” you call it. :)
My eldest boy certainly knows where mom and dad stand on issues. :) He’s 11. Issues of life or death, like abortion and euthanasia are pretty big. I think.
Posted by: Carla at March 26, 2009 12:00 PM
Carla, my boys are high school and middle school. I honestly don’t think they have strong opinion either way on these issues. It’s not something that would be big in their lives, school or circle of friends.They will come up with an opinion on this as they mature and have more life experinces.
Your parents’ lack of good parenting certainly contributed to your going down the wrong path. But it wasn’t just a matter of not parenting in the case of abortion, was it? Didn’t your mother actively influence your decsion to abort? And on top of this, you grew up in a family without love.
Don’t even try to compare my parenting with what you had Carla.
And I have no doubt that you have discussed this with yoru children. It is paramount in your lives. I respect that. Could you even imagine how you would feel if one of your children decided they were pro-choice? See for me, I don’t have the same issues. If my child grew up to be pro-life or married someone who was pro-life it wouldn’t be a big issue for me. See the difference?
I second that Carla. I debated abortion as early as 13 years old. It was very important to me. Im sure not all 13 years olds are as concerned as I was, but I wouldnt automatically dismiss the notion.
Posted by: Oliver at March 26, 2009 12:14 PM
And I can see that too Oliver. It doesn’t surprise me that it might be important to some 13 year old boys (and girls). Especially if it’s important to the family. But I don’t think it HAS to be important when they are young. And I don’t think they need to know their position on these issues when they are young.
Asitis: “Carla, my boys are high school and middle school. I honestly don’t think they have strong opinion either way on these issues. It’s not something that would be big in their lives, school or circle of friends.They will come up with an opinion on this as they mature and have more life experinces.”
You may be right, but you may be wrong. You cant claim with certainty that it is unimportant to your kids simply because of their age. I was very concerned with abortion as early as middle school and certainly in highschool. My parents never did discuss the issue with me though. Come to find out recently, my mother is sort of pro-choice.
ASitis.
A person who has been informed that suicide is a option, by you, and has commite suicide.
You told that person that it is his option to commit suicide. It is a right of you to control your body. He did.
In fact, your son, even told him that killing himself was approved by you, Asitis.
The person that committed suicide was suffering from bi-polar disease.
He was suffering, and took your advice to murder himself. And your son encouraged a end to his suffering, in accordance with your philosophy.
Do you agree with the suicide act, Asitis?
Afterall, isn’t suffering a reason to kill yourself?
What percentage of responsibility for his suicide do you agree to, Asitis?
Zero percent, to one hundred percent?
yllas, you’re boring me with all your fascination with what I think about euthanasia. Go back to the various posts where we have had these discussion and read again what I had to say to you. I get it that you don’t agree that others should have the right to choose euthanasia for themselves. Yada yada yada…….
You may be right, but you may be wrong. You cant claim with certainty that it is unimportant to your kids simply because of their age. I was very concerned with abortion as early as middle school and certainly in highschool. My parents never did discuss the issue with me though. Come to find out recently, my mother is sort of pro-choice.
Posted by: Oliver at March 26, 2009 12:45 PM
You are right Oliver. I can’t be absolutely certain that it’s not important to them right now. Though I suspect, given how we speak openly about things that they would mention it if it were a concern or they had questions. I certainly hope that they would.
The person that committed suicide was suffering from bi-polar disease.
He was suffering, and took your advice to murder himself. And your son encouraged a end to his suffering, in accordance with your philosophy.
Do you agree with the suicide act, Asitis?
Afterall, isn’t suffering a reason to kill yourself?
What percentage of responsibility for his suicide do you agree to, Asitis?
Zero percent, to one hundred percent?
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 12:48 PM
I guess you missed the part where I said I agreed with a dying person’s right choose to euthanasia. Oh, or do you view it that once we are born we are all dying?????
Can you actually die of bi-polar disease?
Though I suspect, given how we speak openly about things that they would mention it if it were a concern or they had questions. I certainly hope that they would.
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 12:53 PM
Maybe I’ll ask them tonight though, if you really wantme to, if they have any concerns or questions about euthanasia and abortion or if they are important issues and would like to debate them. I can just imagine: “Huh? Um, sorry Mom but I’m really busy right now tossing the lacrosse ball around/playing xbox/talking to my girlfriend/eating this sandwich. Can we discuss this later, like maybe when I care? What’s for dinner?”
yllas, you’re boring me with all your fascination with what I think about euthanasia. Go back to the various posts where we have had these discussion and read again what I had to say to you. I get it that you don’t agree that others should have the right to choose euthanasia for themselves. Yada yada yada…….
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 12:48 PM
Now we come to the standard reply, where questions have been left unanswered, and you roll up into the intellectual fetal position of “having answered those questions”.
Asitis.
List the reasons suicide is honorable.
Same with having another person kill you.
What honor is contained within euthanasia?
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 12:35 PM
No answer.
List those reasons , to not commit suicide,
or to not abort, or to not euthanize themselves.
No answer.
Outside of the fact, your keeping your off spring stupid of your death Trinity.
If its good enough for you, its good enough got your off spring.
yllas, go on back and read what I’ve told you before. If you didn’t pay attention the first time, you’re not going to now though.
And you keep forgetting. I don’t know if I would choose euthanasia for myself and under what circumstances. Ask me in like 40 years, or sooner if I come down with something horrible. Though my risk factors for that are low – I live a safe and very healthy life and I come from very good stock (yes, I do add these things just to annoy you!). But that has no bearing on my belief that others who do know should have the right to choose.
Yay! I’m back!
FYI, all the cancer was removed and no more cancer tumors were detected! :) Thank you all for your prayers, hope & wishes!
Now about this Tiller, he’s got a sick mind. He makes me ill and I want to see this guy pay back all that blood money along with sending him up here to the middle of nowhere in Alaska. They say Alaska is God’s country….well lets see how forgiving God is up here! Shoot, just the other day we saw a hungry pack of wolves along the highway…..the bears are starting to wake up also.
Sorry guys….but Alaska’s wilderness can be brutal and I think Tiller needs a little alone time with nature.
I guess you missed the part where I said I agreed with a dying person’s right choose to euthanasia. Oh, or do you view it that once we are born we are all dying?????
Can you actually die of bi-polar disease?
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 12:57 PM
No Answer, from playing, or being stupid, that a mental disease is suffering.
What responsibility, by percentage, do you have if a friend of your off spring commits suicide. He learned about suicide from you. Or are you going to play stupid, and deny you would inform a friend of your off spring of their right to control their body?
Great news Krystal! You must be so relieved, and your family too.
yllas, my children learned about euthanasis from em. Huh? I already told you that is for them to decide when they are older.
And come again? You are saying my son’s friend is DYING and wants to be put out of his pain and go with dignity and he comes to me or my son for advice. Hmmm. Why would he come to me or my son? Wouldn’t he go to his parents first? He’s dying remember. They would know about this. I would tell him he should be discussing this with his parents and his doctor and not me.
Silly really
And you keep forgetting. I don’t know if I would choose euthanasia for myself and under what circumstances. Ask me in like 40 years, or sooner if I come down with something horrible. Though my risk factors for that are low – I live a safe and very healthy life and I come from very good stock (yes, I do add these things just to annoy you!). But that has no bearing on my belief that others who do know should have the right to choose.
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 1:08 PM
Your not answering the question, which ask you under what conditions you would commit suicide or euthanasia?
By not answering a question that involves your preaching for those ideas, your making yourself a self made fool to your propaganda.
Your a chicken. A suicide chicken. Just like Bush was a chicken hawk. And we know being a good liberal you agreed with Bush being a hypocrite on that matter.
ASitis: “Can we discuss this later, like maybe when I care? What’s for dinner?”
Hopefuly you are joking. I would like to think that you hope and expect your kids to have a spark of intellectual curiosity.
“By not answering a question that involves your preaching for those ideas, your making yourself a self made fool to your propaganda”
Okay yllas, I’ll try this one more time. Maybe i will sink in:
I don’t know under what, if any, circumstances I would choose euthanasia for myself. Nevertheless, this does not mean that I cannot appreciate that others may know when and if they would and I respect their right to choose.
Got it? I’m afraid you never will. If something is not what you believe, you seem to not be able to understand nor appreciate it.
ASitis: “Can we discuss this later, like maybe when I care? What’s for dinner?”
Hopefuly you are joking. I would like to think that you hope and expect your kids to have a spark of intellectual curiosity.
Posted by: Oliver at March 26, 2009 1:24 PM
Oh I do and they do Oliver. They are actually very bright! I just don’t think this will be of much interest to them.
Oliver, I am not suggesting that if I were to push that they would not discuss/debate the issue. What I am saying is that it’s likely not important to them.
The way you phrased their hypothetical responses was as if it was a meaningless thing to them and their concerns are more along the lines of playing video games and eating dinner. Doesnt sound very “bright” to me.
Honestly, it could mean less to them at any moment than playing lacrosse, what’s for dinner, etc. And no, that’s no indication of how bright they are Oliver. It simply means abortion and euthanasia are as important to them as they were to you when you were 13.
Or maybe you cared less for playing sports or what was for dinner?
ASitis.
Your fearful of your own ideas being actualized by your own off spring.
Your fearful of your ideas being actualized by yourself.
Until they are actualized, your another blow hard propagandist for death, while not even being able to write how you would end your life in control, via the action of suicide. Name a method blow hard, or has fear got your mind?
Your acting like a coward, a person with no honor who can’t even write a word concerning you actualizing your philosophy by describing your own method of death.
Sorry, should be:
“It simply means abortion and euthanasia are NOT as important to them as they were to you when you were 13”.
I am so glad Krystal! :)
Asitis,
I am not comparing parenting skills. I apologize if it came off that way. You seem very involved which is why I wonder why you aren’t talking about being prochoice at home like you do here? A lack of knowledge is a sad thing. Indeed. My mother bringing my sister to get an abortion certainly “influenced” me. You got that right! A lack of information by my parents left me to fend for myself. Not good.
With 1 in 4 women aborting, everyone knows someone or knows someone who knows someone. I am sure there are some pregnant girls in high school or middle school with your sons. Without a doubt some have already had abortions as well.
What’s for dinner??
Oliver, I am not suggesting that if I were to push that they would not discuss/debate the issue. What I am saying is that it’s likely not important to them.
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 1:33 PM
Well here’s a suggestion. Let them read all your post today concerning your hypocrisy in matters of “rights to your body.”
You mean to tell us, your leaving your off spring ignorant and stupid of your preaching for the Death Trinity at this board?
Yllas, you’re absolutely right that I cannot say for certain that I would have the courage to choose euthanasia for myself if I wear dying and in pain and wanting to end my life with dignity. Finally! Something has sunk in.
Now try this: Nevertheless, I would not deny others the right to choose this if they had the courage to.
Asitis: “Honestly, it could mean less to them at any moment than playing lacrosse, what’s for dinner, etc. And no, that’s no indication of how bright they are Oliver. It simply means abortion and euthanasia are as important to them as they were to you when you were 13.
Or maybe you cared less for playing sports or what was for dinner?”
You phrased it as if they do not care at all, not less. By the way, even though I did play sports, was a member of the band and orchestra and did a handful of other activities, abortion did matter to me. In fact pretty much everything mattered to me, if not in a certain way, MORE fervently back then.
The way you phrased your kids is that they care about video games and food but not a major issue such as abortion or euthenasia even in the slightest.
In fact you phrased them as kind of rude as well. “Can we talk about this later, like when I care? Whats for dinner.” You made your kids sound like punks honestly. Again I hope you are being sarcastic.
With 1 in 4 women aborting, everyone knows someone or knows someone who knows someone. I am sure there are some pregnant girls in high school or middle school with your sons. Without a doubt some have already had abortions as well.
What’s for dinner??
Posted by: Carla at March 26, 2009 1:42 PM
Possibly. Which is the sad reality. If any have had abortions, I suspect it would not be widely known nor debated/discussed.
Pulled pork after lacrosse game. You?
PS Thanks for clarifying the parenting remark. I did take offense to it. You know how I feel about my boys and my role as their parent.
Well here’s a suggestion. Let them read all your post today concerning your hypocrisy in matters of “rights to your body.”
You mean to tell us, your leaving your off spring ignorant and stupid of your preaching for the Death Trinity at this board?
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 1:44 PM
My hypocrisy? Hmmm. I wouldn’t know where to find that here yllas.
I made my kids sound like punks? No, I made them sound like teenagers Oliver. You have a long way to go before your kids are that old though. Enjoy the ride!
Oliver, look. I’m not going to argue with you over what they care more about and to what degree. Suffice to say abortion was important to you when you were 13 and it’s not to my sons. And it’s not important to me that it is or not.
Okay?
Yllas, you’re absolutely right that I cannot say for certain that I would have the courage to choose euthanasia for myself if I wear dying and in pain and wanting to end my life with dignity. Finally! Something has sunk in.
Now try this: Nevertheless, I would not deny others the right to choose this if they had the courage to.
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 1:46 PM
And you avoid giving any answer to a most basic question which ask you for a hypothetical situation where you act on your beliefs.
The world is filled with your style of preaching that ends in not being able to act upon your beliefs. Obama is another such hypocrite, as was Bush. It’s elitism, where you preach for them to act upon your philosophy while never acting upon the actions of your ideas. You fool nobody Asitis.
Your off spring will see through your cheap words with no actions for yourself, and lose what little respect they will have had for you. It’s the liberal way of children to be rasied by hypocrites and then punish them by acting upon what you preach for. Think your no different? Then preach to your off spring to kill themselves when the suffering is pointless. Your preaching to off spring here for suicide and euthanasia.
Send them here, and I’ll give them every reason that they have a right to their body via the actions of suicide, abortion, or euthanasia.
They can have you defend the side against actions which are based on bodily rights.
Then preach to your off spring to kill themselves when the suffering is pointless.
Send them here, and I’ll give them every reason that they have a right to their body via the actions of suicide, abortion, or euthanasia.
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 2:03 PM
Why would I preach to them that yllas? Did you not read what I wrote? I don’t know that I would choose that for myself. Why would I choose that for others? I leave that for others to choose for themselves.
Send them to you? hahahahahahhahahahaha!
ASitis: “No, I made them sound like teenagers Oliver.”
So your kids seriously talk back to you like that? I know my kids have a ways to go, but I also know that when I was a teenager, I didnt dare talk to my parents that way, especially over such an innocous subject as that. Some teenagers may talk this way, but I wouldnt be very proud of them if they did.
Why would I preach to them that yllas? Did you not read what I wrote? I don’t know that I would choose that for myself. Why would I choose that for others? I leave that for others to choose for themselves.
Send them to you? hahahahahahhahahahaha!
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 2:07 PM
Because your preaching for other off spring to have the right to suicide,abortion, and euthanasia.
And if you going to play ignorant, as you were about mental suffering being a reason for suicide, your a off spring Asitis, as I am too.
Bring them here and let them watch you preach with a zeal for the Trinity of Death.
Don’t keep um stupid that they can commit suicide, while you offer suicide to other off spring.
Oliver, whoa there boy!
I know it can come across wrong when it’s written. Read what I wrote again and try to say the part “like maybe when I care” with some humor instead of with disrespect or surliness. Do you see? That’s how it’s meant. My boys and I kid around a lot, but it is never disrespectful or hurtful. In either direction.
Krystal, hope you are feeling well. Am so happy to hear that you got good news !!
Yllas , yllas. Because I believe other people have the right to choose euthanasia and abortion that means I “preach to your (my) off spring to kill themselves when the suffering is pointless”.
Huh??????Really?????
Asitis.
When your off spring eventually says” I wish I was never born”, and also says, ” I want to kill myself”. What are you going to answer?.
BTW, since you offered us your Aryan attributes, here is a tidbit of info. In the last forty years, suicide has risen by %5000 in the white male population.
Odds are, your preaching for suicide might be actualized amongst your off spring’s friends.And we know they are popular and have hundreds of fellow white males as friends.
What are you going to say to the parent of that white male who actualized your preaching?
What about there friends that aren’t white? Should i worry about them too yalls? Or do they not matter to you?
My preaching? Come come silly man. You know i don’t preach suicide nor do I preach euthanasia. You do know though that I support the right to choose euthanasia.
The white male suicide rate has increased by 50 times over the past 40 years. Really? I wonder why. Did they given any suggested reasons why with that statistic? Is it a case of under reporting in the past?
What about there friends that aren’t white? Should i worry about them too yalls? Or do they not matter to you?
My preaching? Come come silly man. You know i don’t preach suicide nor do I preach euthanasia. You do know though that I support the right to choose euthanasia.
The white male suicide rate has increased by 50 times over the past 40 years. Really? I wonder why. Did they given any suggested reasons why with that statistic? Is it a case of under reporting in the past?
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 2:38 PM
Well you do have this thing about Jews, and being that you offered us your Aryan attributes, it might be relevant to ask how many non Aryan friends your off spring has.
Now, tell us how many non Aryan friends has your offspring gathered about him while being ignorant of your preaching for death?
I bet you know right off the top of your head. Because, like Jews, you keep a count so no one can laugh behind your back about another Aryan knowing the number of non-aryan freinds her off- spring has collected for his mother.
Really? I wonder why. Did they given any suggested reasons why with that statistic? Is it a case of under reporting in the past?
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 2:38 PM
Because they are the official hate object of Western Civilization who enslaved millions, murdered in the name of their religion, and sold dope for hundred’s of years to those less worthy Mongolians.
And no matter how they try to not internalize those facts, they eventually do the right thing and do as you preach, and commit suicide.
I have a thing about Jews??? Huh? Oh you mean like my niece who is having her Bat Mitzvah next month? That kind of thing?
My preaching of death? Yeah, you’re still not making any sense their silly man.
Honestly, off the top of my head I don’t know how many friends my boys have that are Jews or non-caucasian. Quite a few I imagine. I can ask them once they are both home if it really matters to you. It doesn’t to us. Should it?
Asitis,
Salsa Chicken in the crockpot. :)
It is weird but I started thinking about my mom and sisters abortion experience. My mom was complicit in the killing of her grandchild. My sisters and I were admonished to NEVER TELL YOUR FATHER. For you see, my father was prolife. Crazy, huh?
Saying nothing to your boys actually says quite a bit.
You know I care about you. No need to “take” offense. Just ask what I meant.
I love my boys and girl too which is why no subject will ever be off limits.
Why is the killing of children by their mothers(and grandmothers)a sad reality?
Because they are the official hate object of Western Civilization who enslaved millions, murdered in the name of their religion, and sold dope for hundred’s of years to those less worthy Mongolians.
And no matter how they try to not internalize those facts, they eventually do the right thing and do as you preach, and commit suicide.
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 2:55 PM
Now, would that be the clinical explanation or the World According to yllas? You are a piece of work. Thank you. I might just cross stitch that and hang it on the wall yllas. that’s one of your best. Bravo!
Preach suicide? Silly, silly man.
Asitis.
I knew you could find a Jew to count amongst your family. Every Aryan has one.
Bring your off spring to your itinerant church here Asitis, and let them see your preaching for suicide and open their closed minds.
What’s good for the goose……..
Hi Carla. You know what’s good? Stewing beef with salsa in a crock pot.
Sounds like your parents relationship with each other wasn’t(isn’t?) so great either.
Carla, don’t get me wrong. No subject is off limits with me and my boys either.
I was referring to girls pregnant in middle school and high school as a sad reality. Especially in this country.
By sad
Asitis.
I knew you could find a Jew to count amongst your family. Every Aryan has one.
Bring your off spring to your itinerant church here Asitis, and let them see your preaching for suicide and open their closed minds.
What’s good for the goose……..
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 3:06
I’m still not, nor ever was, preaching for suicide yllas. But you have something else going on in that head of yours.
Ha ha! You’re so funny with your Jew remarks. And funny with your aryan remarks. Truth is I have been mistaken for German or Scandinavian because of my looks, though I am neither.
Now, would that be the clinical explanation or the World According to yllas? You are a piece of work. Thank you. I might just cross stitch that and hang it on the wall yllas. that’s one of your best. Bravo!
Preach suicide? Silly, silly man.
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 3:02 PM
Is it nor true that white males enslaved and drugged millions for centuries under the guise of preaching the word of God, Asitis?
If that is not a factual statement, then your living in a world of white Aryan supremecy.
But, being um here so I can argue for their right to commit suicide as you do for other off spring at this board.
Since I’m soo silly, bring um here, soo they may learn what type of heritage they come from. Where humans were slaves to their ancestors , and abortion was mandated for non Aryans if there was a famine.
And it all began with the bible. Which is why they need to abandon that book(and you’ ll make sure of that Asitis), and pick up the book of Mommy Aryan, where it ends with others being euthanized, while mommy and her off spring enjoy the fruits of their death.
Hey, that story has already been played out in Germany.
Ha ha! You’re so funny with your Jew remarks. And funny with your aryan remarks. Truth is I have been mistaken for German or Scandinavian because of my looks, though I am neither.
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 3:14 PM
Well let’s test your knowledge of Jews. At a Jewish funeral, what unusual act is performed with a farm implement? What is unusual about the method of using that farm implement? What does it signify or symbolize?
Ready, Aryan? Go.
Wow, that’s worthy of cross stitchery too yllas. How to choose! I think the first was better though.
So you never did say, is this the clinical explanation for the alleged increase in suicide amongst white males or is this your own concoction? Hahahahahahahaha!
post at 3;26 is me, Yllas.
Well let’s test your knowledge of Jews. At a Jewish funeral, what unusual act is performed with a farm implement? What is unusual about the method of using that farm implement? What does it signify or symbolize?
Ready, Aryan? Go.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 26, 2009 3:26 PM
Okay, I’m pretty sure Annonymous is yllas. But I’m not sure who Aryan is. Anyone know? Speak up, cause yllas is looking for you and he’s on a bit of a tear.
And btw, whoever you are Aryan I can’t help you out on the jewish funeral question. I’ve never been to one. I don’t know if yllas has ever been to one either. But he reads a lot about places and things.
So you never did say, is this the clinical explanation for the alleged increase in suicide amongst white males or is this your own concoction? Hahahahahahahaha!
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 3:27 PM
Ya, it’s a joke. I made it all up. That’s the ticket, But, bring your off spring to watch your preaching for suicide and euthansia at this board, so they can learn something from mommy. Don’t keep stupid. Or ignorant.
When your off spring eventually says” I wish I was never born”, and also says, ” I want to kill myself”. What are you going to answer?.
No answer from the whitest mommy you know.
But, we can deduce some tripe is coming, about not thinking about it, or having some lazy minded answer which affirms her fear of dying. Not even being able to answer a hypothetical question on the methodology to be used on herself. Fear is a might element in those that are cowards and preach for the death of others via suicide, and can’t think about planning her death by means she preaches for. Even hypothetical.
When your off spring eventually says” I wish I was never born”, and also says, ” I want to kill myself”. What are you going to answer?.
No answer from the whitest mommy you know.
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 3:40 PM
Tha whitest mommy you know? Oh yllas, you haven’t seen me dance! And I may be a blonde, but not a white blonde and my skin, while freckled, also tans nicely. I think thanks are due their to my Cree ancestry.
Now as for your question. What would I answer? Well, I would try to help them see the reasons to live and I would get professional help for them. Is their suffering mental or physical? that information will help me know who to get.
Oh, are we back on the desserted island again. Is that it? Are you having another moment there yllas? If you’re back to that scenario I’m going to need some details. Is my son somehow injured or sick? Is he going to die from this if help doesn’t arrive? Is there any hope of help arriving? Do I have a knife strapped to my bikini or is there a toxic plant available on the island? I’ll need to knwo stuff like that.
What color is my bikini by the way? I don’t look good in yellow. please don’t make it be yellow. Anything but yellow. Or fushia.
And btw, whoever you are Aryan I can’t help you out on the jewish funeral question. I’ve never been to one. I don’t know if yllas has ever been to one either. But he reads a lot about places and things.
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 3:31 PM
Why of course it was me, Yllas. And just as I suspected, your superior to those Jews who know your funeral customs, while you are superior to that pet Jew in the Aryan family, not having the cultural decency to know what a shiva entails.
I leave you ignorant, so you can insult their culture as you do most naturally preaching for euthansia in front of that “pet Jew” in your family.
First it was France, insulting by cultural ignorane, now it’s insulting the Jews by cultural ignorance. Hey, have you got a heritage which can be traced back to the “Know Nothing Party”?
Heck, I can’t leave you to insult your family Jew, it’s a shovel you narcissistic White Aryan Mommy. And it’s used upside down when your buring the dead person.
Oh, or purple. Well, maybe lavender is okay, but not that like real purple purple. Know what I mean?
And I like a halter top and low rise bottoms.
Got it? Great. Thanks.
My “pet Jew”?
Hahaha. Oh how my brother, his wife and kids will laugh at that one yllas!
Now as for your question. What would I answer? Well, I would try to help them see the reasons to live and I would get professional help for them. Is their suffering mental or physical? that information will help me know who to get.
posted by Asitis.
And what are these reasons to live? List them.
Since you failed to grasp that mental illness is a “suffering”, we better go for a physical problem that has left him disfigured. Such as a car wreck, where his face was severely damaged and the pain is also moderate to severe. Or his leg, or his back, which leaves him in pain after many operations.
In fact, he has lost some mental awareness, but does remember your preaching for suicide or euthanasia. Oh, wait, you left him ignorant of your preaching, and luckily he met a person who informed him of his right to murder himself.
He wants to end his life, and hates you for bringing him into this world of pain and suffering.
Nowm list the reasons for living, Asitis.
Hahaha. Oh how my brother, his wife and kids will laugh at that one yllas!
Posted by: asitis at March 26, 2009 3:57 PM
And maybe the’ll laugh because it is the truth. What’s one to do with a cultural narcissist such as you Asitis?
Been preaching that old time euthanasia to your Jew in the family lately? Or are you keeping them stupid as you do your off spring?
List the reasons for living? There are lots of reasons yllas. The thing is to know the person and what will be meaningful to him. You do not know my son so I will keep those to myself rather than share them with you to mock.
And again…. I don’t preach euthanasia. I do not encourage people to choose euthanasia. I so support the right to choose euthanasia.
And maybe the’ll laugh because it is the truth. What’s one to do with a cultural narcissist such as you Asitis?
Been preaching that old time euthanasia to your Jew in the family lately? Or are you keeping them stupid as you do your off spring?
Posted by: yllas at March 26, 2009 4:15 PM
No yllas, they’d be laughing at you. It happens you know.
preaching euthanasia to them? What you mean telling them I support the right to choose euthansia? They support this as well.
Oh by the way. What color IS my bikini in today’s fantasy? You never said. Please, please no yellow.
So your kids seriously talk back to you like that? I know my kids have a ways to go, but I also know that when I was a teenager, I didnt dare talk to my parents that way, especially over such an innocous subject as that. Some teenagers may talk this way, but I wouldnt be very proud of them if they did.
Posted by: Oliver at March 26, 2009 2:07 PM
Oliver, you seriously might want to lighten up about teenagers and “respect.” Control freaks don’t make good parents.
What asitis suggested her sons’ attitude would be was not out of line at all. Most pro choice teenagers are not that into the topic of abortion or related “life” issues because they’re happy with the status quo.
Thank you Hal. I’m thinking Oliver will figure all that out as he gets to that stage with his kids.
hal, I seem to recall you don’t have kids do you? Nevertheless, you seem to have some good insight into teenagers and what it takes to parent them well. I had to learn all that along the way. Nicely done.
I’m learning too. I have two teenage daughters. They’re wonderful, but “ask me again when I care” would be considered a pretty mild. Especially if said with a smile and followed by “what’s for dinner?”
Oh you do have kids! And teenagers at that! (It must be Doug I was thinking of without kids.)
It is an adventure isn’t it, Hal?
Yes, Doug has no kids. Where’d he go, anyway?
It is an adventure, but it’s a grand one. My oldest is walking around the house right now singing at the top of her lungs, and I’m smiling and content.
Most pro choice teenagers are not that into the topic of abortion or related “life” issues because they’re happy with the status quo.
Yes, Ignorance is bliss.
You need to talk to them about this now before it’s too late or you might lose a grandchild to abortion. So what if they are not “into it”? You are the parent. It’s your choice whether to talk about abortion or not. It (an abortion) could happen and you might never know. How would you live with that?
Are you afraid to bring it up? I think I would be if I were you. Rent a movie like “Circle of Friends” which broaches the topic of abortion. I hated that part – ruined the whole movie for me, but the beginning was pretty good.
* * * *
It is an adventure, but it’s a grand one. My oldest is walking around the house right now singing at the top of her lungs, and I’m smiling and content.
Singing is wonderful, something you’ always remember, I’m sure. :)
One doesn’t need to have teenagers to understand them. I taught middle school. I “get” them and can hardly wait for a house full!! Give me a teenager over a 3 year old any day. :)
Hal,
Most. Some. Status Quo. I adore you but those words hardly make a basis for a good argument. If you don’t discuss issues with your children, someone else will. Like a prolifer!!! Muwhahahahahaha
Yes, Doug has no kids. Where’d he go, anyway?
It is an adventure, but it’s a grand one. My oldest is walking around the house right now singing at the top of her lungs, and I’m smiling and content.
Posted by: Hal at March 27, 2009 12:22 AM
Agreed Hal…. a grand adventure!
Yes, where IS that Doug?
Doug is prolife now.
(That oughta get him back)
Good one Carla! A prolife pirate? Arrrrr!
“You need to talk to them about this now before it’s too late or you might lose a grandchild to abortion. So what if they are not “into it”? You are the parent. It’s your choice whether to talk about abortion or not. It (an abortion) could happen and you might never know. How would you live with that?”
We’ve talked about it. They’re probably more adamantly pro choice than I am. My youngest wrote a research paper on parental consent laws that had a stronger conclusion (against) than I would have written.
Hey asitis, I have a scenario for you:
Your son gets a friend pregnant.
She wants to kill your grandchild.
Your son is horrified that the girl wants to kill his child, and is trying everything he can think of to get her to reconsider. He is willing to marry her, to raise the baby himself, to pay her money, whatever he can think of. He comes to you for help. What do you say? What do you do?
That’s easy YCW. I tell him I am happy he came to me with this problem, but that the decision is hers.
And just to clarify YCW: By saying it is “easy” I don’t mean the situation is easy for him. I mean my answer comes easily. There really is no other one to give him is there?
Now, if you were to add that he doesn’t think she is really as sure as she seems or that she might listen to me, I might go and plead his case for him. But again, the decision is hers.