Jivin J’s Life Links 4-01-09
by JivinJ
The President of Notre Dame, Rev. John Jenkins, has offered his own words to put the matter in a more defensible light, and those words have been echoed by members of the faculty. Let me…offer a proposal.
President Jenkins…said that he doesn’t condone President Obama’s policies, and yet he thinks it important…”to engage in conversation.” Press secretary Robert Gibbs noted that the president had met recently with Francis Cardinal George to discuss matters of interest to the Church. And with that background, he said, the president “looks forward to continuing that dialogue in the lead-up to the commencement” at Notre Dame….
As H.L. Mencken used to say, people ought to get what they want “good and hard.” If the university excuses itself in this instance with the claim that the president is coming…to have a serious conversation, well, let’s have that serious conversation. Notre Dame is amply supplied with people who can articulate the Catholic position on abortion and the taking of innocent life. Why not have a debate/discussion?
Young begins by claiming those opposed to abortion think women are stupid and goes downhill from there. On one hand, she claims women seeking abortions have already seen ultrasounds/heard the heartbeats and then claims the legislation’s goal is “to elicit doubt, pain and guilt. Period.”If women have already seen their ultrasounds, how could giving them the option of a second viewing elicit doubt, pain and guilt?
It would be nice if Marcotte spent a few minutes doing research instead of relying on her less-than-common sense. She might discover that the KS Board of Healing Arts‘ investigation into Tiller focuses on 11 abortions performed on girls, most aged 13-15, who had abortions after 24 weeks.
According to the Holland Sentinel, some residents in the conservative Christian city aren’t happy about this. An online petition to save the float already has several thousand signatures.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
“Holland, MI’s Tulip Time Festival has denied the local RTL group’s application for a float.”
I was born and raised in Grand Rapids, MI which is about an hour east of Holland. When I was about 6 months old, my parents took me to the tulip festival. If I recall correctly, there is a large fine for breaking any one of the tulips; I think it may even be in the triple digits. Anyway, my parents parked my stroller a bit took close to a set of tulips, and to this day, my mother still has a picture of me holding a tulip head with a broken tulip stem in the background with a giant smile on my face.
In light of what was reported above, 28 years later, I am glad that I did that.
Bobby, LOL! :)
bobby, your one of a kind! Thanks for the chuckle!
I thought Tiller had been shot sometime in the 1990s. Am I mistaken?
Years ago you heard things like “Abortion is a difficult choice.” Now people are actually celebrating infanticide??? What is going on?
Read in context of the entire thread and the prior comments, Amanda’s point was not that late term abortions don’t occur but that they do not occur because women are simply don’t get around to getting an abortion. These abortions occur because continuing the pregnancy will cause serious health issues.
More promotion of their sickening agenda.
Ha. Thanks Bobby. :)
Prochoicer,
please give me one exsample of a woman’s life being saved by her baby being aborted.
I would like something proveable and not a made up medical text book story.
AK Krystal, I agree. What medical conditions are not treatable during pregnancy? We have made women feel ashamed for being pregnant, and this is why we are seeing hidden pregnancies. And I shudder at the pain that poor little baby must feel as he/she is ripped limb from limb when abortion is chosen. Jesus help us.
Prochoicer,
Endangerment to the woman’s health and fetal abnormality actually make up a small percentage of late-term abortions, the most common reasons are social.
From the Alan Guttmacher Institute
An Overview of Abortion in the United States: Reasons for Abortions After 16 Weeks Since Last Menstrual Period
Woman did not realize she was pregnant
71%
Difficulty making arrangements for abortion
48%
Afraid to tell parents or partner
33%
Needed time to make decision
24%
Hoped relationship would change
8%
Pressure not to have abortion
8%
Something changed during pregnancy
6%
Didn’t know timing was important
6%
Didn’t know she could get an abortion
5%
Fetal abnormality diagnosed late
2%
Other 11%
In other words, the rare cases are being touted about as cause for availability of late-term abortions, when the real reason pro-choicers want availibility of late-term abortions for social reasons. Their own data reveals that!
Rachael C.
When Tiller was shot, should he have been denied an MRI, x-ray and diagnostic report?
Posted by: Bobby Bambino at April 1, 2009 10:47 AM
You’re busted! The statute of limitations on tulip crushing is unlimited. And being a kid is no excuse – we’re all kids at heart. :-)
Rachael C,
Thank you so much for the links!!
Hey everybody. Here’s what goes on in my state.. ; )
I think it’s too bad the guy got in trouble, but it’s hilarious….
Also, think of the generations to come who won’t know what life was like before abortion was legalized. The annual “Womens March For Life” pictures just makes me sick. There are pictures of 9 year old girls holding up “My Right To Choice” there with PC mom and dad, no doubt. Those poor little girls are clueless.
Oops. That were me, above.
Haha Doug..Hi.
In Newark? That’s funny!!
Doug!!! I almost called you dough again. I don’t know what is up with my rogue right pointer finger, but it only happens with your name.
I’m unfamiliar with the Tulip Time event. Are political floats routinely part of the festivities? By that I mean, could their rejection of a RTL float just be about wanting to avoid contentious or divisive issues?
Posted by: AK Krystal at April 1, 2009 11:34 AM
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Actually Krystal, there are cases where a woman’s life can be threatened by pregnancy, (ectopic pregnancy is one, and ruptured uterus is another) Except for ectopic pregnancies, most conditions can be closely monitored until c-sections can be performed.
Statistically, it’s a 1 in 18,000 chance of these hard cases. If you do the math, you’ll find that nationwide for an average year of births it comes to about 222 women. Not all of these women desire abortions either.
Morally, saving the life of the mother in such situations is not the same as the deliberative act of killing the child, because in no win situations (such as ectopics) it is better to save one than to lose both. The loss of the child is a tragic side-effect.
Given that data and moral standing, it’s fallacious for the abortion-choicers to build a case upon the hard cases. The numbers and physical risks don’t even come close.
Chris, That is about the only one I can think of too.
Also, many women who have been given a poor prenatal diagnosis often don’t want to have an abortion, but often are given the worse-case scenario, not presented with many alternatives, and are even pressured by the ob-gyn to have an abortion (prejudice towards the disabled, misguided compassion, and probably fear of wrongful-birth lawsuits)! Also, they may have seen elsewhere negative attitudes/stigma towards children with disabilities, and even may be in self-preservation mode, telling themself it’s the best option to bar themself from the pain.
Down Syndrome Families Brought Into Sharp Focus
“Many parents also talk about how the phone never rings with invitations for a play date for their children or an offer to help carpool. Sometimes, they find themselves answering people who suggest that their child should never have been born.
That happened to Tia Marsili, 49, of Vienna while driving from her hometown in western Pennsylvania to Virginia Beach with her sister. The trip lasted six hours and was not without some fussing from Marsili’s daughters, Sheridan and Skye. Both girls have Down syndrome. Sheridan’s condition had come as a surprise after birth, but Marsili knew from prenatal testing that Skye would have Down syndrome.
My sister looked at me and said, ‘Why didn’t you abort her?’ ” Marsili recalled. “I said, ‘What? Because we love her, and she’s my baby, and we love her!’ ‘But you knew,’ my sister said. . . . It was pretty shocking. Even people that close to me.”
Just reading many of the stories from mothers at Be Not Afraid, you will see that doctors and even loved ones were pushing these women towards abortion.
Down Syndrome Support
Groups Rise to Counter Physicians’ Poor Diagnostic Practices
Thursday, October 16, 2008
By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer
Rachael C.
Some people should never become doctors or nurses. I have seen some of the most uncompassionate people in the profession and they make me sick!!!!!!!!! Some female OBGYNs are the absolute worst!!
Rachel C. Thank you for the article.
Hi Doug! I saw the picture and wondered if that was you, and sure enough, it was. :D What’s new?
Chris, I understand the etopic pregnancy. A good friend of mind had one and it burst her tube causing her to get into the ER and almost have her whole uterus taken out.
Uterine rupture is another I see, but wouldn’t the DR detirmine if the woman is at high risk for his condition and moniter the mom until she couldn’t carry the baby any longer?
Wouldn’t it be better for the mother to try to save her baby instead of abort it? Unless it was an emergancy situation where her uterus burst without prior notice of this condition.
But come one, hiding the pregnancy until you cannot hide it anymore and then going, ‘well people will know now so I better get that abortion I was thinking about having when I took that pregnancy test?!’
Give me a break, that is not saving the life of the mom…
I stand corrected! Late term abortions are not necessarily performed primarily due to fetal or maternal health issues. (And in fairness to Amanda, I read that into her comment.)
But the main point stands — that women aren’t just sitting around filing their nails, frivolously postponing their decisions. A lot of the reasons for late term abortions seems to be due to women’s lack of access to information about abortion and/or coercion not to abort.
My real point is that Amanda was not saying that no late term abortions ever happen, which seems to be what the post was implying.
When you are “coerced” not to abort you give birth to a child and thus “terminate the pregnancy.” :)
Posted by: AK Krystal at April 1, 2009 12:40 PM
Volunteer action needed
I need volunteers to call
Eric Holder-Att Gen
Elena Kagan -Solicitor General
Robert Mueller -director of FBI
Marc Sullivan-Director of Secret Service
We need an immediate response from Eric Holder- whether he will institute Quo Warranto proceedings against Obama, whether he will appoint a special prosecutor to investigate all of the criminal activities surrounding Obama. He has no right to sweep this under the rug, It is a matter of National urgency, matter of National security. He has a duty to institute a quo Warranto proceedings and to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate all the criminal activity related to Obama and his supporters. If he is not doing that, he needs to resign immediately or be removed immediately. His inaction equals to aiding and abetting all of the crimes committed and he himself will need to be indicted, tried and convicted to the full extend of the law.
Similarly, Elena Kagan, Robert Mueller and Marc Sullivan owe us answers, they are aiding and abetting this massive fraud, treason and other suspected crimes, committed by Obama and his supporters.
I have received a letter from the chief clerk of the Supreme Court William K Sutter- he is stating that they will not review quo warranto, but I can refile as Extraordinary petition for a writ of Mandamus. While there is nothing in the rules saying that they cannot hear quo warranto, just to move things along, I am rewriting the complaint and will submit it as an Extraordinary Petition for the writ of Mandamus. I still did not get an answer from the Chief Justice Roberts in regards to all the illegal activity going on in the Supreme Court. Please call the Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts, Chief Clerk William Sutter, chief of the police security for the Supreme Court officer Christine Giaccio 202-479-2369. What has been going on in the Supreme Court is the biggest scandal in our Judiciary system. This people have no right to sweep this under the rug all of these illegal activities, they owe American people answers
1. who erased from the Supreme Court exterior docket information about my case Lightfoot v Bowen, right after the inauguration of Obama, while other cases where on the docket? This is particularly suspicious because my case stated that Obama is not eligible for presidency, and other cases remained on the docket .
2. what investigation was done on this issue?
3. who is the police officer or Secret Service Agent or FBI agent in charge of this investigation?
4. what administrative action was done against clerk Danny Bickel, who refused to put on the docket and forward to Chief Justice Roberts and other Justices my second supplemental brief?
5. Why didn’t Justice Scalia know anything about four cases dealing with Obama’s illegitimacy for presidency supposedly heard in 5 conferences? Did the clerks hide those cases from the justices? Did the Justices actually discuss those cases in conferences? Where are the decisions signed by Justice Scalia, when he supposedly read the cases and forwarded them to three out of five conferences? Did Justice Scalia sign those decisions, or were those signatures forged? How could he read five pleadings about something that important ans illegitimacy of the president and know nothing about it?
6. Did all nine justices sign the decision not to hear these cases on the merits, if so, they would’ve known the cases? Did somebody forge their signatures? Did clerks intentionally misrepresented the cases to put foreign National, citizen of Indonesia and possibly still citizen of Kenya Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama in the White House and keep him there by trampling on the Constitution and rule of law?
7. If all of the above officials refuse to provide immediate answers and action, they, themselves are guilty of aiding and abetting this massive fraud, treason and all the other related crimes and they will need to be prosecuted and punished to the full extend of the law.
You know DR’s these days usually have access to higher grade medical technology. in the R.vs.w days I’m very sure the advaces in medicine arn’t like they are today.
Why would a DR take the easy way out and suggest an abortion??
In light of what was reported above, 28 years later, I am glad that I did that.
Posted by: Bobby Bambino at April 1, 2009 10:47 AM
Ha! I just KNEW you weren’t “clean”!! Now we know where your daughter gets her “naughtiness” gene!
To all the pro death people who call late term abortion a “life saving procedure” for the mother.
Isn’t it FAR risker to the mother to have an abortionist forcefully rip the baby from the womb, sucking out its brains, rather than an early delivery to save both her AND the baby?
The pro death people make it sound like the only way to save the mother if her health is in danger is to kill her baby.
But the main point stands — that women aren’t just sitting around filing their nails, frivolously postponing their decisions. A lot of the reasons for late term abortions seems to be due to women’s lack of access to information about abortion and/or coercion not to abort.
No. The abortions are done late because the majority of the situations involved a woman misjudging how far along she was or not knowing she was pregnant. The other reason was the woman finding it hard to make arrangements for an abortion.
Apparently the “prochoice” side is woefully misinformed considering the comments:
references to late term abortions happenin in only the most “dire and desperate situations” which the commenter goes on to include
non-survivable birth defects, situations where a woman’s life/health are in substantial danger or both, because sometimes a severe birth defect can actually endanger the life of the mother.
Late-term abortions are often wanted pregnancies. Many involve fetal demise, or pregnancies that simply will not survive outside the womb. Many also involve serious threats to the mother’s physical health.
what the heck is a pregnancy that doesn’t survive ouside the womb?
I don’t know the medical issues, Joanne, but it sounds like a situation where it should be the mother’s call, n’est-ce pas?
The abortions are done late because the majority of the situations involved a woman misjudging how far along she was or not knowing she was pregnant. The other reason was the woman finding it hard to make arrangements for an abortion.
Right. Lack of information and access!!!
I wonder that too AK Krystal….I wonder if many are prochoice and/or have had abortions themselves or been involved in one.
Children with special needs or are medically fragile are seen as a burden. Physically, emotionally and financially. Even children that will not live long after birth…parents are encouraged to kill them…before they die naturally.
PC,
If a woman really wants to end the life of her growing child she will find a way to do it.
angel,
Children with certain defects do not survive long after birth.
Prochoicer: heres the actual results for
woman finding it hard to make arrangements for an abortion:
Woman found it hard to make arrangements for an abortion (N=185)
60% She needed time to raise money
32 She tried to get an abortion from a different clinic or MD
26 She had to arrange transportation because there was no nearby provider
20 She didn’t know where to get an abortion
16 She couldn’t get an earlier appointment
11 She took time to notify her parents or get their consent
9 She needed child care or a Medicaid card
0 She needed time to obtain court permission
What if your kid gets cancer at the age of 8 and becomes an absolute burden? Should we just shoot them?
angel,
Children with certain defects do not survive long after birth.
Posted by: Carla at April 1, 2009 1:51 PM
Who calls the child a “pregnancy that won’t survive outside the womb”?
Never quite heard it expressed like that before. To me it seems to be another way to deny the humanity of the baby by calling it a “pregnancy”. Would you agree?
Absolutely. Whatever words can be twisted and used to point away from the humanity of a child…let’s hide behind em!!
It is going to take awhile to get away from the rhetoric we have heard for 35 years!!
Abortion-killing a growing child
choice-choosing an abortion that kills a growing child
terminate a pregnancy-killing a growing child
You know what I mean. :)
Carla, respectfully you forgot, “The contents of the uterus are evacuated during an abortion”………..
angel,
Anencephaly is one such defect. A baby with only a brain stem lives a few hours after birth.
EXCEPT for this baby…..have you seen her yet?
http://www.babyfaithhope.blogspot.com
…….oh and “product of conception”……..
I knew I forgot something Heather….we have heard these phrases for so long. Time to get back to the truth!!
“Now we know where your daughter gets her “naughtiness” gene!”
Well yes, it had always been a well-established fact that I passed my bad behavior onto her……
I know:] As you pointed out, it’s going to take a very long time to turn back 36 years of this crud.
abortionist Nolan Jones, effective on April 20, 2009. According to the order, Jones falsified the medical records of two non-abortion patients, and violated his probation on other charges.
“This follows a national trend of abortionists being held accountable to the law,” said Operation Rescue President Troy Newman, who worked to expose Jones’ dangerous practice to the public. “Jones was one of the most incompetent and dishonest abortionists in the country – and that is saying a lot. His license should have been taken years ago.”
Jones has been disciplined at least four times by the California Medical Board for offenses ranging from botched abortions to negligence during childbirth that led to the death of a wanted baby. Community Hospital in San Bernardino terminated his hospital privileges in 1997.
Jones was a predatory abortionist who set up shop in strip malls in seedy areas of Southern California to take advantage of low income and Hispanic women. When he got in trouble or fell behind on bills, he would close up his clinics and reopen in another location under a new name, such as La Rose, The Butterfly Clinic, Women’s Center Medical Group, Clinica Medica Latina Femina, and Clinica Medica Para La Mujer De Hoy, to name a few.
In the latter clinic, Jones worked for illegal abortionist Bertha Bugarin, and later “bought” the clinics from Bugarin after her arrests in LA and San Diego for committing abortions without a medical license. Bugarin is currently serving 3 years in prison on 7 charges in Los Angeles, and is scheduled for sentencing in San Diego on 9 felony counts on Friday, April 3.
Of the six abortion mills that Jones allegedly purchased from Bugarin, all but one location has closed. That location is now being operated by two other abortionists.
Jones had also racked up a staggering amount of financial liability and unpaid bills, declaring bankruptcy in 2003 with approximately 100 creditors and nearly $100,000 in credit card debt. At one point a pro-life supporter observed an eviction notice in the back seat of Jones’ car. Jones appeared to be homeless and sleeping inside his abortion clinics.
“That man’s life was train wreck,” said Newman. “We pray for Jones’ repentance and salvation, but as far as his abortion career goes, it is good riddance.”
Here is some good news for today…..another abortion provider gone.
……..and if you try to argue any point to Amanda, she will just block you if she can’t refute you.
Carla,
Yes the mentality is kill them because its easier to do that than to birth the child and watch it die.
Go figure, coward mentality on that one.
Parents are then given the worst possible text book outcome and told that abortion is better for the baby.
Oh yes, getting sucked to peices or ripped apart or better yet almost being birthed into this world by an abortionist and having your neck cut open and your brians sucked out….that is SO merciful of those parents.
If those parents only could see how their ‘defective’ baby looks like when it is out of the womb in bloody pieces lying on a stainless steel plate. I’m sure they would say that was far better than holding their baby until it passed away in their arms.
I forgot to note that most of those parents are mis informed of the disgnoses of the baby, their options and their resources available to them.
But then again the only knowledge one holds is the knowledge they look for.
angel,
Anencephaly is one such defect. A baby with only a brain stem lives a few hours after birth.
EXCEPT for this baby…..have you seen her yet?
http://www.babyfaithhope.blogspot.com
Posted by: Carla at April 1, 2009 2:09 PM
absolutely! We are following her – she is sooo beautiful!
I just read the 40 days post!! :) No brain and here she is…..all precious and beautiful and ALIVE!! Thank you, Lord. :)
Krystal,
I am grateful to the many friends I have. They did not give in to the constant pressure to kill their babies before they died a few hours after they were born. They were named and held and sung to and loved straight into the arms of Jesus.
Carla,
you do do much for many families, I can only hope this CPC training I’m receiveing will help further me on my mission to help others as well as you and Jill have.
You two are my total hero’s, Jill’s articles and blog was the turning point from me being pro-choice to pro-life.
Cannot thank you enough!
AK Crystal, what wonderful news!! Go for it!! Getting active is a wonderful thing!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, Krystal!!
No turning back, babe! Help those women! Help those babies! Fight the good fight! :)
right now the CPC is referring ladies who need moral support to me since i run a young mother support group.
its nice to see my group go from only 9 ladies to almost 50!
i’m also getting calls for the after hours line. most woman are calling to see if the CPC does abortions and i’m able to chat with them and get to know them more. most of the ladies who call are on their second or third child and are afraid of losing everything. sometimes just talking with them helps then vent and then they feel better about their situation. I also refer them to this site if they’re asking for pro-life info.
If I can save one womens life or one babies life in my lifetime then I’ll feel good.
There’s really such a thing as a Tulip Festival…genius.
Any hoodle, it’s rather irritating to hear on Feministing women standing by Tiller. I’m really not sure if I’m more annoyed by women fighting for abortion or men. In women, I want to ask if they really feel that, with all of the time that women spent trying to prove our value, that it would be okay just to turn around and do it to someone else. Or men…why are there men who defend abortion when it takes away rights of fathers?
Does anyone know how Tiller’s business with the Healing Arts is going? I really am praying that the man loses his license and that all of the money that he makes can go into helping poor women and children who deserve it. Abortionists ought not to be making the money that that man makes.
I thought Tiller had been shot sometime in the 1990s. Am I mistaken?
Posted by: Jerimiah at April 1, 2009 11:14 AM
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I thought the ‘Tiller’ was shot in the arm.
I once shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got there I’ll never know.
yor bro ken
Well yes, it had always been a well-established fact that I passed my bad behavior onto her……
Posted by: Bobby Bambino at April 1, 2009 2:13 PM
that’s alright. The real problems will start if she demonstrates a propensity towards lycra and furry boots.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 1, 2009 11:55 AM
Newark Ohio man charged with operating a bar stool while under the influence.
28 year old Kyle Wygle was arrested after single bar stoole accident. Wygle, who modified his riding lawn by attaching a bar stool says it will reach a top of speed of 38 miles per hour.
Yeah, but how many miles to the pitcher of beer does it get?
What about the ‘carbo’ footprint?
Will it run on anything ‘other’ than ‘gasohol’?
Where does he keep the pizza, picled eggs, and pigs feet?
yor bro ken
Hvhvac, LOL!
After manifesting a cold hearted disdain for Two Lips and such Bobby turned his attention to more heinous criminal activity
When Bobby the Bambino, aka Kyle Wygle, was 6 years old, he ran away with the circus, but his parents make him give it back.
The quintissential ‘bad seed’.
A life marked for infamy.
But one encounter with the risen LORD turned his life around and now Bobby sows his wild seeds in a flower garden instead of honkytonks and bars.
We all get saved from something to some ONE.
yor bro ken
yor bro ken
We all get saved from something to some ONE.
yor bro ken
yor bro ken
Posted by: kbhvac at April 1, 2009 6:28 PM
ain’t that the truth!
All things hidden become known through exposure.
Bring Obama as a speaker but no “honorary” recogniton given. Road trip. South Bend holding a sign that says “Catholics for Life”.
Jesus was an embryo too.
The angel proclaimed God’s message to Mary
And she conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit
Benedicta tu in mulieribus
I am the lowly servant of the Lord.
Let it be done to me according to Thy word.
I thank yooouuu Lord for being with me.
For being my friend and staying with me.
If it ain’t yooouuu Lord, nothing for me.
Nothing for me. Nothing for me.
And I thank yooouuu Lord for staying with me. On rainy days. You show me the way. Around the Bend. Notre Dame. In His Holy Name. Jesus Christ won’t be mocked. It would be better for you if you had a millstone tied around your neck then to hurt one of his little ones. Meditate on the birth, life, and teachings of Jesus as given to us through the Bible. The Holy Spirit, present at conception, is the creator of life and when Barack and Michelle Obama vote and promote the abortion industry they disrespect their Creator and the One they claim as their Saviour. Bring Obama to South Bend, and honor him by showing him a Pro-life bastion of Catholic Christian communion.
I saw the picture and wondered if that was you, and sure enough, it was. :D What’s new?
Hey Kel. Nothing much new here. Yesterday was my wife’s and my 9th anniversary, and I’ve been playing the heck out of this browser game ‘Travian.’
All’s well and that’s about it.
(I mean playing the HECK out of it hee hee hee.)
DOUG!!
Happy Anniversary to you and your bride!! :)
This is what I have been up to
http://www.outcrywisconsin.blogspot.com
TS, well put!
Carla, my volume on my computer won’t work, but it will be up and running soon. Can’t wait to hear it. I was checking out the site though…great that you are networking with others!!!!!!!!
LOL, Ken. That’s me alright!
I never thought I would say this, but Im actually glad Doug is back. I could use the breath of fresh air after the most recent pro-choice maniacs.
LOL, this is great, although we can get pretty serious and heated here, we still take the time to lounge back and chat off-topic and share in humor. I can picture it now, all of us gathered in a parlor, sitting in recliners or on couches, sipping beers or wine, smoking cigars and chatting and sharing jokes :-D
Rachael C.
Rachael,
I can picture it as well! Minus the smoking. cough cough
I’ll have a Chai Tea Latte, please.