The graphic photo that silenced a pro-abort
I reported yesterday on the uproar created among congregants at a self-identified pro-life church when pro-life activists protested there this past Sunday, holding signs with graphic photos of aborted babies.
Well, sometimes a graphic photo can have the opposite impact, as I discovered last week.
Backstory: During the 2008 presidential election season I posted several political cartoons that spotlighted Barack Obama’s opposition to the Born Alive Infants Protection Act as state senator, including this one (click to enlarge)….
Note for future reference I never wrote “LOL” about the photo, nor did any commenters as far as I can tell.
Ok, so I got this email out of the blue on March 29 (click all emails to enlarge)…
Well, wow, I had no idea what this chick was talking about, and it took awhile to find out…
I love when people complain about my posts and then getting snarky when I try to get them to be specific. I have written 4,351 blog posts since April 2005. Even giving me a date doesn’t point me to the offending piece. But finally we got down to it. And I still tried to dialogue civilly…
All right, that did it. I admit I’ve never done anything like this before when corresponding with a pro-abort…
… but I think I may have hit on something. Pictures cut through the rhetoric.
I haven’t heard from Joni since.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Jill,
Somehow I missed your appointment by GOD and/or election by your ‘followers’ and ‘disciples’ as our ‘leader’.
I know that B.O. was inaugurated, coronated and immaculated by his obsequious, servile, psychophant ‘followers’ and ‘devotees’ waving bloodied baseball bats, rusty coat hangers and plastic palm branches singing, shouting, and chanting in unison, ‘Praise be to B.O. who comes in the name of death.’
I do believe Joni is not just mistaken but is willfully and knowingly disengenuine.
Do not cease in your well doing, but do not let your well doing weary you.
yor bro ken
Maybe she just realized that you can’t reason with someone who is unreasonable and so she stopped trying? It’s instructive to me that you were so proud of shocking someone into submission that you felt it appropriate to write a blog post bragging about your “accomplishment.” The great thing about pictures like that is that eventually people become desensitized to them and they lose their shock value. I just roll my eyes when I see this stuff now.
Anne, so there was a time when you didn’t roll your eyes? What changed? What did you think when you first saw the photos?
Wow. You roll your eyes at the picture of a bloody, murdered baby. Nice human being you are Anne. And you make fun of other people’s ethnicities. Go you!
The first time I saw them I lost my appetite. Now I can look at your pictures while eating without being affected. It’s sort of like how violent popular media (video games, movies, music) used to get a lot of attention and scrutiny and now it’s old hat, having lost its shock value, and therefore doesn’t attract the attention of most people. It’s like you’re undermining your own cause and you don’t even realize it: you’re desensitizing people to what you’re trying to agitate them against.
You just “roll your eyes” when you see pictures of dead babies, Anne? That is what’s wrong with the world today. People have become so hardened and ‘desensitized’ that not even the sight of a tiny, dead baby bothers them anymore. Thank God I’m not one of them…and of course, I’m not the only one.
Surely this was someone who trolls pro-life websites … the rhetoric sounds well rehearsed … can’t you check IPs?
Anne, your response saddens me. Are YOU that hard? What about that photo do you not GET? Are you truly in that much denial? Jill, it saddens and sickens me that people are so callous that this does not affect their “stance”. Wake up, Anne.
Anne
If the photos of snuffed out children, now cause you to just roll your eyes, you better repent and talk with God before your last heartbeat.
More babies are alive today because someone shared the photographic evidence of an abortion, one dead bloodied baby.
God help us all to see the SIN of abortion and the innocent blood being shed!
Anne, seek to obey God in this matter and you will find the answer you seek, to your problem.
Saved by Grace
John
Frankly I’ve seen it all when it comes to gruesome, “shock you to wake you up” pictures: aborted fetuses (and the fetuses that were actually the result of a completely natural miscarriage but are still disingenuously passed off as aborted instead), pictures from slaughterhouses, starving children in Africa: you name it, I’ve seen it, because every two-bit activist who can’t think 10 minutes into the future thinks he can change the world if only he “opens up people’s eyes” to these perceived abuses and doesn’t consider that desensitizing people to whatever egregious object of his pet cause is, actually accomplishes nothing.
A picture is worth a thousand words. I hope that got through to her and made her think.
Anne, should people have used photos to portray the horror of the holocaust or not?
Posted by: John at March 30, 2010 3:38 PM
Maybe you or someone else could explain to me why it’s always pictures of late-term abortions (which are actually pretty rare) that get passed around as pictorial evidence of abortion’s immorality and not pictures of fetuses that were aborted at a few weeks of gestational development that have no discernible “human” features at all? It’s “murder” in both cases, right? This favored “pro-life” tactic is not only counter-productive, it’s misleading and dishonest.
Posted by: bethany at March 30, 2010 3:40 PM
I’ll tell you what she probably went away thinking: “These people are nuts. This is what “pro-life” means; I’ll keep this in mind the next time a politician who calls him or herself “pro-life” comes a-campaigning.”
Pretty sad when people desensitize themselves to the reality of abortion and a picture of a murdered baby. May God enlighten them for they know not what they do. Keep spreading the truth and help save the babies Jill!
Anne,
If you are proabortion, abortion photos depict the result of what you support. You support the killing of innocent human life.
Posted by: bethany at March 30, 2010 3:43 PM
Pictures of concentration camp smokestacks and piles of dead, emasculated bodies don’t get to me either, for the same reason: it’s overdone. Everybody’s seen this stuff and has been desensitized to it. And at least Holocaust imagery has been used in an artistic, productive way (i.e Schindler’s List, The Pianist): when are “pro-lifers” going to make a lasting contribution to cinema or art with their pictures? The answer is never, because they exist for shock value, period.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;
Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
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Keep fighting the good fight, Jill..I know you will.
**The great thing about pictures like that is that eventually people become desensitized to them and they lose their shock value. I just roll my eyes when I see this stuff now.**
Wow…just. Wow. I think this speaks more about *your* desensitization rather than JS’s mission to bring truth to light.
You may be correct in the general sense of our culture being desensitized, but it’s still no excuse to roll your eyes. Be fruitful by being active. Rolling eyes doesn’t accomplish anything.
Just sayin’…
Posted by: carla at March 30, 2010 3:49 PM
Strong words from a self-professed murderer. Even by your standards, at least I’ve never killed anyone. You get to define yourself but you don’t get to define me.
So, I guess Anne is ok with the holocaust, killing or mutilation of children, war, starvation, physical abuse, child pornography, DWI accidents, or any other abuses that are photographed because well, she’s now desensitized.
What world do you live in Anne?
Posted by: Martina at March 30, 2010 3:54 PM
I don’t know. I think it’s as good an excuse as any to roll my eyes: somebody using tired, counter-productive tactics to make a political statement. Take a 15-minute stroll through any major American city and you’ll see the exact same thing in different forms and for different causes. And it’s not just my desensitization either: take an impromptu poll of any 15 or 20 college students at any large American university and they probably all feel the exact same way I do, for the exact same reasons.
Posted by: Sandy at March 30, 2010 3:56 PM
That is such an unreasonable misinterpretation of my position that it’s practically slanderous. There’s a difference between being desensitized (which is not even something you have control over; ask any veteran first response medical worker if flaming car wrecks and mangled bodies still hit them the way they used to) and being uncaring.
A woman who had “never heard of you before” proceeds to tell you WHO YOU ARE IS…
As for Anne, it’s called a seared conscience and a reprobate mind, not a good indicator of the state of one’s spirit. There is hope, but only in one name under heaven (hint: He’s the same who created and loves very much the little one in the picture you roll your eyes at).
May God continue to bless you, Jill, and your work in opening eyes and boldly proclaiming truth, no matter how hard it is for most people to see.
**I don’t know. I think it’s as good an excuse as any to roll my eyes: somebody using tired, counter-productive tactics to make a political statement.**
I guess I’m not following your logic. You go on to justify your eye rolling by suggesting we take an impromptu poll? Why, exactly? And fwiw, I went to the largest, and easily most liberal university in the nation and so I know all to well the point you are scraping to make. I just think it’s a straw man’s argument. What does it matter if I poll academia? Does book smarts dictate common sense or logic or propagate a proper moral compass?
I would *highly* disagree with that. I’ve seen the effects of academia from “education” people. I’ll take my common sense and heart that results in a properly formed conscience vs. what secular society deems is ‘ok’ b/c it’s academia.
Thanks anyway. :p
To all those (*cough* Anne *cough*) who are WILLING to TRY and TRIVIALIZE our points, by pointing out that LATE TERM ABORTIONS are the “exception”:
Even if they are rare – YOU STILL FIGHT FOR THEIR LEGALITY.
Cristy, yes, Kelli just checked IPs. The person at Anne’s IP address goes by several names here: MissE, Amber, and Oregon Republican.
When posting as Zombie Terri Schiavo she wrote on 3/22: “ZOMBIE TERRI DEVOUR BRAINS OF EVIL CARTOON-MAN SETH MACFARLANE, MAKE PAY FOR INSULTING MUSICAL NUMBER”
Posted by: carla at March 30, 2010 3:49 PM
Strong words from a self-professed murderer. Even by your standards, at least I’ve never killed anyone. You get to define yourself but you don’t get to define me.
Posted by: Anne at March 30, 2010 3:53 PM
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I think that insensitive remark just ‘defined’ you.
Pictures of concentration camp smokestacks and piles of dead, emasculated bodies don’t get to me either, for the same reason: it’s overdone. Everybody’s seen this stuff and has been desensitized to it. And at least Holocaust imagery has been used in an artistic, productive way (i.e Schindler’s List, The Pianist): when are “pro-lifers” going to make a lasting contribution to cinema or art with their pictures? The answer is never, because they exist for shock value, period.
Oh I asked because most people with a heart would never say what you said. I have never been desensitized to the holocaust images, nor have I ever been desensitized to abortion photos…they are tragedies and make me sad everytime I look at them because they remind me of the evil that people are capable of committing against other human beings. Most people aren’t as easily desensitized as you are, Anne.
To sum up: a cartoon of Obama promoting abortion is offensive, but an actual photo of an aborted child is not. These people live in la la land. Eviction notice coming in November.
Posted by: Alex at March 30, 2010 4:11 PM
I wouldn’t have to fight for their legality if the Supreme Court would do its job and rule that there is no reasonable distinction to be made between “early term” and “partial-birth” abortion and place every kind of abortion under the same rubric of women’s civil rights.
Posted by: bethany at March 30, 2010 4:16 PM
Maybe you just have a weak stomach (or you haven’t seen enough of these pictures to be desensitized). That’s fine, but I stand by what I said earlier.
Anne, I actually have a very strong stomach. I just have a very good heart and can understand tragedy when I see it.
Okay, point taken. You’re a better, more empathetic and more moral person than I am. Fair enough.
Jasper said LOL.
Which, honestly, is an appropriate response to this cartoon. It Crosses The Line Twice in its take on Obama. Obama voting against legislation to protect the lives of children born alive crosses the line. Obama out back of an abortion mill with a baseball bat beating the crap out of a trash dumpster “just in case” is so ridiculously, over-the-top, obviously bad that laughing is a perfectly valid response. Obviously, no one does that literally.
Sadly, it’s a sick kind of laughter too, because so many people don’t get that Obama was trying to do this figuratively by voting against that legislation. And honestly, it’s either laugh at the cruel, stupid, murderous inability of so many people to see this, or start screaming.
Keli, ok… so smart girl Joni sent me the link to a different day I posted this cartoon than what she intended. Good answer, btw.
Maybe if Jill keeps posting Obama cartoons Anne will desensitize herself enough so that next time she’ll just “roll her eyes”.
Okay, point taken. You’re a better, more empathetic and more moral person than I am. Fair enough.
Absolutely.
I, as do most prolifers, dislike looking at pics of aborted babies…it’s very disheartening.
But, I also look beyond it and ask who would do THIS to an innocent baby?
And that’s when the resolve comes in to fight harder against this horrible practice.
Shock value? Perhaps, but this is the TRUTH nonetheless.
Does anybody have anything against the Truth or would you rather live with lies???
Anne, MissE, Amber, Oregon Republican,
You can’t seem to define yourself….
You seem to have forgotten the most important point of what I have told you. I AM FORGIVEN! :)
The cartoon depicting president Obama bashing fetuses to death is without a doubt the most vile,despicable and offensive poltical cartoon I have ever seen.
I would like to spit in the face of whoever drew it. The cartoon is a total misrepresentation of what Obama stands for regarding abortion and reproductive rights.Any one who believes that this disgusting cartoon is an accurate representation of Obama regarding abortion is an imbecile.
You know what’s infinitely more disturbing tome than photos of abortions? Photos of desperately poor children growing up in abject poverty with distended bellies and surrounded by flies.
Or poor kids in inner cities who are growing up surrounded by drugs,crime,violence and squalor.
No amount of photos of aborted fetuses will ever stop abortion anyway.
Anne,
“Strong words from a self-professed murderer. Even by your standards, at least I’ve never killed anyone.”
Classy. Real classy.
Run on back to your cave, little troll.
Jill,
Interesting that you haven’t gotten any further reply. The truth hurts sometimes, and it isn’t always pretty.
There once was a righteous librarian,
Whose food-poster search turned ovarian.
A cartoon at Stanek
Sent her into a panic
In defense of Barack the barbarian.
Anne at 3:51, …”when will pro-lifers make a lasting contribution to cinema or art with their pictures?”
The answer is Never, Anne, because you know as well as I do that it would never be ALLOWED to happen in Hollywoodland, where I’m quite sure the majority are pro-abortion.
Robert Berger, I’m surprised that cartoon offends you. In that scenario, wouldn’t Barack Obama simply be saving babies from future poverty and low quality of life?
Posted by: Keli Hu at March 30, 2010 4:34 PM
Interesting how people can look at these precious little ones and say it’s not a baby. I wonder if Obama’s daughters have ever seen an aborted baby and know that their father is in agreement with killing little babies.
Those are very hard pictures to look at and it has taken me years before I could look at them, because I was one of those ladies that had an abortion. I have had 3 abortions. Jesus Christ has forgiven me and thank God for people standing up for these little ones like Jill, this is a Holocaust and people do need to see what is happening and until they do, they will go on believing that it’s a choice.
Not at all. Obama doesn’t want MORE abortions.
He wants to prevent as many unwanted pregnancies as possible,and do more to provide help to poor pregnant women so they would be less likely to seek and obtain abortions.
Pro-choicers,including me,don’t LIKE abortion, and they don’t want the number of abortions to increase. But we realize that trying to stop abortion by making it illegal is the wrong way to deal with this problem. So does Obama.
The notion that he voted to allow babies born as the result of botched abortions to die is a blatant lie. He never did any such thing.
He is NOT a barbarian. This cartoon is an abomomination.
I had an abortion in 1987. It took me until 2008 to accept that this “choice” was the source of much of the pain in my life. I stayed away from the Church because I couldn’t handle hearing anything anti-abortion. I did dabble now and then in pro-choice church attendance. It took a lot of arguing with a persistent and caring friend to get me, finally, to a Rachel’s Vineyard retreat. About a year after that retreat, late one night I watched The Silent Scream on the Internet. I gave myself a headache from crying, but it was another and crucial step forward in my healing and empowerment. I’ve looked at gruesome abortion photos too but mostly avoid them now. Once, so to speak, was enough. The truth hurts like hell. Anger is a common cover-up emotion for grief and shame. I know. I’ve been there. We don’t know what’s really happening in another person’s heart, mind, and soul. We need to cry and pray for such people, not rejoice in our own righteousness, if we are to change hearts and minds, not to mention a society. (I mean no disrespect by any of my comments.)
Henrietta – witty!
I was laughing at the truth of the cartoon, not the reality of murdered babies you ignorant librarian, who most likely voted for Obama..
Posted by: Anne at March 30, 2010 3:20 PM
“The great thing about pictures like that is that eventually people become desensitized to them and they lose their shock value. I just roll my eyes when I see this stuff.”
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Judging from your near apoplectic response I would have to conclude it has not yet lost it’s ‘shock value’ with you.
yor bro ken
Henrietta – witty!
Posted by: Jill Stanek at March 30, 2010 6:35 PM
Henrietta,
What Jill said.
yor bro ken
Posted by: Robert Berger at March 30, 2010 6:29 PM
“Not at all. Obama doesn’t want MORE abortions.”
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whatabergler,
Put the crack pipe down and step away from the cloud.
If B.O. is as intelligent as you would have us believe, then he would know that anytime you offer something for free, as in subsidize or fund it, then you get MORE of it, not less.
It is axiomatica and as predictable as the sunrise and sunset.
yor bro ken
Oh no Bethany.
Youve got B.O. all wrong.
B.O. is ensuring that those babies get to the end of their productive years as soon as possible in order to relieve the strain on our health care sysetem, our economy and on mother earth.
That is how liberals demonstrate their love.
yor bro ken
Ken, I believe I stand corrected!
Bethany,
We are both right.
Bless you and yours.
yor bro ken
I’ll say it: “LOL!” That cartoon was funny, in the same way that anything involving death is funny. It was funny in a sad way because our President is a freak.
I am so torn on the pictures. They are great in certain situations, but often times the pro-lifers holding/displaying them are so embarrassing and epitomize what is wrong with the movement.
Henrietta, lmbo. You are clever!
You know one of the most difficult things for ‘christians’ to overcome in the Rescue Movement was their dignity.
It was ‘undignified’ to have be physically removed by law officers and carried to a waiting paddy wagon while the spectators gawked.
A kindly christian grandmother, who had never as much as received a parking citation, found herself in the position of being arrested and accused of violating the law, made a choice to endure that humiliation rather than see another innocent pre-natal child killed.
yor bro ken
//I wouldn’t have to fight for their legality if the Supreme Court would do its job and rule that there is no reasonable distinction to be made between “early term” and “partial-birth” abortion and place every kind of abortion under the same rubric of women’s civil rights.//
Do you really believe that? Millions of baby girls having their brains sucked out is pro-woman? Sex-selective abortion is for women’s rights?
We live in a truly broken time.
Okay, point taken. You’re a better, more empathetic and more moral person than I am. Fair enough.
Posted by: Anne at March 30, 2010 4:29 PM
Talk about setting the bar REALLY low….
I have spent a great deal of time with the reality of the Holocaust. My mother took me through Europe as a child/teen several times. One time we went and sat in the attic where a different Anne, one with real courage and love in her heart… hid for months until she and her family were betrayed.
I have walked through the gas chambers at Dachau and Auschwitz. My mother’s family is part Polish Jew and part Polish Gypsy. The Holocaust murdered a great deal of MY family.
You apparently have no ability to comprehend the depravity and evil inherent in murdering innocents.
The reason a very small pre-born baby is rarely used for a visual aid is that his or her skin & connective tissue is so delicate, the little body is often ground up to leave less recognizable body parts. Those of you who have thus far refused to see the truth are wracked with pain. Those who try to put shame on others feel great shame themselves. If you give the pain to Jesus, He will rescue you & give you a heart that can feel again. He is waiting for you because you are a precious creation just as these little ones are. He shed His blood in proxy for you to set you free. He thinks you are worth it! Those who are not ashamed of Jesus in this life will have Jesus speaking up for them at the great judgement. The really cool thing is, he is not looking for people who are already good (or think they are) but for sinners in need of a savior. He will not reject anyone who comes to Him by faith. He’s given all a measure of faith, but we get to make the choice whether to recieve Him or not. He is calling you today. Don’t let Him pass you on by. Respond to His call. He LOVES you.
Alice…thankyou for sharing your story.
It took me a while not to take post-abortive women’s anger personally. I had one casual friend, who when she found out I was pro-life RAILED on me..she said the meanest, nastiest things…she said my son was not a person because he had not been planned. My first reaction was indignation…but then I realized “I am conversing with a woman who had her growing child sucked out of her womb. She went on to miscarry several wanted babies. Now she has a daughter and saw all those early ultrasounds. What kind of grief and horror must she feel?” And it put it all in perspective for me.
Thank you too, Sydney.
Strange that Anne seems to be able to still eat after seeing pictures of crushed and murdered infants. I have seen many a horror movie and gore on television but knowing that movies like Saw are fake gore whereas these children that we as a society continue to kill on a daily basis is real sickens me. Every time I see these brutalized BABIES my appetite is squelched for days and my spirit is moved to sadness and remorse. Anne you have to be some type of heartless troll in order to be able to gaze upon these pictures and just shrug a shoulder, WOW!
I think it’s overcompensation, big time. If she really didn’t feel moved by the images in some way, there is no reason for her to come here and try to make such a big deal about how little they supposedly affect her emotionally. Someone who is not moved by an image doesn’t make such a fuss.
…and thank you Jill for showing the photo & telling the truth.
Actually this photo only shows the half of it. The suffering and humanity of the born alive infants is not shown. Of course Obama would never wield the physical club. What he does is more devious. In some respects it is worse because he seeks to enlist the law in support of allowing babies to die unattended. The clubs he employs are sophistry, deceit, and willful subversion of the very laws that are meant to protect life.
If he can do this to suffering defenseless little babies we shudder to think what he is capable of.
If he can do this to suffering defenseless little babies we shudder to think what he is capable of.
I am quite shocked that a thought-out, rational vote by Obama to strike-down a redundant, illogical infant homicide bill has been turned into a talking point by the wingnut right.
Actually it is not a talking point. It is an image of a dark-skinned monster, who has no compassion, and is full of malice towards infants and the public. It is repeated in countless political cartoons, protest signs, and the crazy rhetoric of the Tea Party and the Militia movement.
It’s an image you ought to keep away from. Anyone who accepts it or helps replicate it does not look good in the end.
The notion that he voted to allow babies born as the result of botched abortions to die is a blatant lie. He never did any such thing.
He is NOT a barbarian. This cartoon is an abomination.
Indeed. it is a total lie. Obama is many things. A rookie. A timid centrist. A man who thinks that if you give the bully a dollar he will back-off. He’s not a strong president by any means, and his one term will prove that.
But I think anti-aborts should stick to demonizing providers and their lobbyists. At least they earn your hatred. Obama has done nothing to earn such a hateful portrayal, except be a non-caucasian politician with a funny name. And if that’s the reason, then shame on all those who replicate this awful type of character assassination.
Obama has done nothing to earn such a hateful portrayal, except be a non-caucasian politician with a funny name. And if that’s the reason, then shame on all those who replicate this awful type of character assassination.
Oh you liberals and your fixation on race.
Actually it is not a talking point. It is an image of a dark-skinned monster, who has no compassion, and is full of malice towards infants and the public.
The ones who always end up bringing up Obama’s color are liberals. Conservatives couldn’t care less if his skin was white, black, or purple.
Frankly I’ve seen it all when it comes to gruesome, “shock you to wake you up” pictures: aborted fetuses (and the fetuses that were actually the result of a completely natural miscarriage but are still disingenuously passed off as aborted instead), pictures from slaughterhouses, starving children in Africa: you name it, I’ve seen it, because every two-bit activist who can’t think 10 minutes into the future thinks he can change the world if only he “opens up people’s eyes” to these perceived abuses and doesn’t consider that desensitizing people to whatever egregious object of his pet cause is, actually accomplishes nothing.
Posted by: Anne at March 30, 2010 3:39 PM
Naturally miscarried babies aren’t ripped apart and eviscerated, or otherwise severly mutilated. They just pass.
Pictures of aborted babies are really “naturally miscarried babies” being “disingenuously” passed off as aborted babies?
In the words of Butt-Head (of Beavis and Butt-Head fame): “Huh. Huh. Some people are DUMB.”
Army Wife, LOL
By the way, I find it confusing that Anne thinks that somehow claiming it’s a miscarried babies, rather than aborted, proves anything at all anyway. What does it prove exactly? That abortion doesn’t exist? Um…
The point of showing images of unborn children, whether miscarried, aborted, or alive, is to show their humanity, isn’t it?
I showed my miscarried baby’s photos (under no false pretense of course!) so that others could see and learn that even in the first stages, a baby is a baby.
Actual abortion photos have been certified and documented to be real, and are shown to let people see what is unjustly being done to these human beings.
Unborn children are quite clearly human beings, whether they have been killed or died naturally.
I remember your pix Bethany. I found them interesting from a scientific/educational point of view and at the same time was very sorry for your loss. My two miscarriages were very shortly after conception (around the time of implantation), so the remains of my children were not identifiable (at least to my untrained eye). It’s amazing how much they grow in just a few days and weeks of growth, isn’t it?
Re: Butt-Head… I did a fair amount of MTV-watching as a teenager but I haven’t thought much about any of that stuff for a while. But Butt-Head’s signature statement is what I thought of when I considered the fact that there are some (very misinformed) people out there who actually believe abortion pix are “faked”. Looking at them with a little common sense and depth of thought is enough to tell you that they’re real. Although calling someone “dumb” is a bit harsh, I can agree with the “Duh!” sentiment behind the quote.
“It’s not considered appropriate to show pictures of a baby killed by abortion, but it is considered appropriate to do nothing to stop the killing of those babies in the picture. The problem with the Holocaust wasn’t the sickening pictures of bodies stacked like cord wood. The problem with the Holocaust was the evil the pictures simply pointed out. If something is too horrible to look at, shouldn’t it be too horrible to defend and too horrible to ignore?
But the truth is: These are babies even before they look like babies. Science and Scripture tell us the same thing about when human life begins.”
— Randy Alcorn
My two miscarriages were very shortly after conception (around the time of implantation), so the remains of my children were not identifiable (at least to my untrained eye). It’s amazing how much they grow in just a few days and weeks of growth, isn’t it?
It really is. I’m so sorry for your losses. I also lost one around the time of implantation and was never able to see him/her either – regardless, biology is clear that from the moment of conception our babies were human beings even before they were identifiable by the naked eye- so we can rest assured that we will meet our babies again one day.
It really is astonishing at how quickly they do grow and develop- my baby was only 6 weeks past conception when that picture was taken. Most abortions take place at 9 weeks, when the baby is even more developed than that.
Good quote, Carla!
“Everybody’s seen this stuff and has been desensitized to it.”
I’ve seen abortion pics for 30 plus years and am still not desensitized to them. And I’m a beautiful somebody. Just as sure as the beautiful somebodies who grace pro-life billboards in attempts to speak to your heart and soul. The little person in the photo above is trying to tell you something.
Can you see him? Can you hear him? Please look at him and listen with your heart. He is there.
http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/
Keeping the medical results of abortions secret denies and covers up the humanity of these unborn children. Sadly, these “graphic” photos must be shown (and seen) to realize not only the horor of abortion but the beauty of that unborn child who would otherwise have been anonomously discarded as medical “waste.” I challenge any hardened pro-abort to actually watch an abortion and look over the shoulder of the abortionist while she/he reassembles the child’s corpse after the “procedure” and then claim they can support this form of murder.
Dahlgren 6:27:
You could not be more wrong. Jill has written extensively about the Infants Born Alive legislation. Surely you know she was at the center of the storm.
Now you come saying Obama was “rational”. In a way I kind of agree–the very WORSE kind of rationalization. He rationalized that if we were to recognize the humanity of a live post-abortive child it could be the first in a series of steps that could undermine abortion rights.
Also–thank you for using the word “monster.” What else do you call someone who would not want to offer comfort and care to a tiny little baby? Oh, excuse me, the words “sick” and “depraved” are just as appropriate.
The image extends beyond his days as a senator in which he worked to undermine the Infants Born Alive legislation. It is just as reflective of his presidential executive orders furthering abortion world-wide and his desire to see abortion rights extended far and wide and ultimately have taxpayers pay for them all.
President Obama is more than pro-abortion. He is obsessed with promoting abortion in whatever way he can.
this would Jerry, Obama is not”pro-abortion”. He is pro-choice. And he’s not”obsessed with promoting abortion in whatever way he can”.
He is trying desperately to preserve a woman’s right to an abortion. He is not trying to force any woman to have one. He’s not even trying to “promote” abortion, whatever that is.
And even if he were anti-choice, it would not make any difference. He does not have the power either to stop or increase abortions. No one does.
And even if he were to change his mind and issue an official proclamation making all abortions illegal tomorrow (which would be totally unconstitutional anyway and make him deserving of impeachment and removal from office), this would do absolutely nothing to stop abortion, an in fact increase them.
Oh, Dahlgren, “a lie”? Yawn. You’re such a lemming. Read Obama’s Born Alive votes:
https://www.jillstanek.com/aborted-alive/links-to-barack.html
And if Born Alive were so redundant an unnecessary, why did it pass in IL the year after Obama left the state senate and could no longer stop it?
this would Jerry, Obama is not”pro-abortion”. He is pro-choice.
He’s not even trying to “promote” abortion, whatever that is
And even if he were to change his mind and issue an official proclamation making all abortions illegal tomorrow (which would be totally unconstitutional anyway and make him deserving of impeachment and removal from office), this would do absolutely nothing to stop abortion, an in fact increase them.
Source? (Your behind doesn’t count).
Obama is not”pro-abortion”. He is pro-choice. And he’s not”obsessed with promoting abortion in whatever way he can”.
He is trying desperately to preserve a woman’s right to an abortion.
Robert,
OK, you don’t try to “desperately preserve” something unless you are in favor of it which is what “pro-” means. Can’t you admit that Pres. O is pro abortion?
Sheesh.
And if Born Alive were so redundant an unnecessary, why did it pass in IL the year after Obama left the state senate and could no longer stop it?
Posted by: Jill Stanek Author Profile Page at March 31, 2010 3:38 PM
If it was so necessary, how many born alive infants were saved?
Hal, exactly how many women are saved from rape by rape being against the law? Exactly how many people are not murdered because it’s against the law?
Hal,
Maybe we should legalize child molestation. And give Chester a safe, steril, confidential environment to molest in. And tax you for the room rent.
Start lobbying.
Keep up your mission Jill…
There is never a good reason to abort. There IS a better choice.
Life, Adoption if the mom doesn’t want her child.
This is the REALITY of abortion, so sad.
http://abortionno.org/
“Have you ever noticed that when a women is considering aborting a healthy baby, the doctors assure her
that her baby is too young and immature to feel the pain of being stabbed, poisoned, or dismembered.
But if the mother wanted to NOT abort an unhealthy baby,
she is told that her baby is in terrible pain and that she must abort to spare him.”
– Christina Dunigan
http://realchoice.blogspot.com/
I’m not surprised you didn’t hear from Joni after that. People are usually silenced in the face of the seriously crazy.
And if Born Alive were so redundant an unnecessary, why did it pass in IL the year after Obama left the state senate and could no longer stop it?
Posted by: Jill Stanek Author Profile Page at March 31, 2010 3:38 PM
If it was so necessary, how many born alive infants were saved?
Posted by: Hal at March 31, 2010 5:03 PM
Hal,
Thanks for bringing it up. The number of babies saved would depend on the number of ethical abortionists who are abiding by the law, therefore requiring another doctor (who will take live-saving measures) in the room while the abortion is being done just in case the baby comes out alive. It’s done for the baby’s sake, because the abortionist’s job is to produce a dead baby, not a living one.
We’ll probably never know the exact numbers because reporting laws in the abortion industry are so
lax. As I’m sure you know, some states don’t even require reporting abortion numbers. (I think CA is one of them.) Great question.
Robert Berger – please finish your thoughts … pro-choice to do what? What does the choice involve? Going out for a milkshake? Walking to the mall or driving? What is this choice you are talking about?
Oh I get it – the choice to kill or not to kill a baby.
When we only use part of our thoughts our meanings are not complete.
President Obama is pro-choice to kill a baby.
Now, does that make better sense?
The pictures from the Holocaust were used to show the world what the world DENIED in 1945. They were used as a rallying cry for “Never Again”. And rightly so. Also in Vietnam the news media used the same tactic to portray the horrors of war- which if done in 1939-1945 would have made the War impossible to fight. The bottom line here? CONTEXT! The fact is war is a horror- at times a necessary horror- the fact is abortion is a horror a TOTALLY UNNECESSARY one. So all of you who clamor for statements from Jesus on His love (which are many) fail to undersatnd and or accept His justice which are also many- He was not just meek and mild Jesus who came to create peace- He was also bringing a sword “Do not suppose I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.” Jesus meant His immediate purpose would cause conflict but ultimately he would bring peace. So when using His name try to remember He CONDEMNED the harming of children and as King David stated he was known of God while in the womb “For You created my inmost being:you knit me together in my mothers womb.” Jesus was the Creator as John states in the epilogue “Through Him all things were made.” CONTEXT is demanded in all of this.
Wow. I wish I had time to read all the comments. Just want to say good for you, Jill. I did a post today regarding political rhetoric.
http://genuinegopmom.blogspot.com/2010/04/military-metaphors-and-sarah-palin-good.html
I doubt you’ll ever win a presidential election (neither will I), but I approve of this……strongly. The situation merited it, to be sure.
Love from Lisa
AHHAHAHAHAHAHA! Anne is Oregon Republican?! askldjfaodghaopdvn
She should be banned for misrepresenting republicans. I’m so sick of this B.S.!! They accuse conservatives of hating poor people because we don’t want to pay for them, “therefore abortion should be legal, rite, LOL?!” and NO republican I’ve ever known has said anything remotely like that…we just want people to be better able to take care of themselves rather than get everything from the government…So they create a caricature of republicans saying crap like that, but they don’t…so they have to IMPERSONATE ONE THEMSELVES so that they and all their little buddies can jump on the sockpuppet saying “TOLD YA SO, I TOLD YA SO! REPUBLICANS IS EEEEVILL!!!!!!!!!1ONE” and it’s all a lie.
ASDLfkjasd;fklaj; I am SO pissed right now I can’t freaking see straight.
Wow, it’s so nice to read these posts. To see really intelligent arguments being made for life. By nature I like to ponder issues that I don’t have a quick answer for or at least not from an intellutual standpoint. The heart knows that abortion is wrong. I still remember the first argument my mind made when hearing the debate surrounding abortion. I’m 46 now and was a lot younger when my mind formed a logical comeback to the rhetoric used then, the rhetoric being that it was just a blob of tissue. The thought formed in a very young mind that if it was of no value being just a blob of tissue then just leave it alone and see what happens. Those that are committed to abortion those who are truly evil and not all who are pro-abortion are evil, some are just apathetic and misguided but the truly evil my prayer for them is that their own duplicity will pay them a real visit. That their words will fall to the ground as they have caused destinies and the innocent to fall, that there own words and destinies will fail and the content they stole from the lives of others will be stolen from them.
Wow, it’s so nice to read these posts. To see really intelligent arguments being made for life.
Waaayyyyy back in the comments an assumption was posted (by a commenter who is not worthy of being named) that emergency responders are “desensitized” to the gruesome scenes they encounter. As someone who spent five years on the front lines of emergency response I can tell said commenter unequivocally that NO emergency responder EVER gets desensitized to the scenes they encounter. You learn to distance yourself enough to get through the call and if it’s bad enough the Critical Incident Debriefing Team comes in after the fact to help everyone to process what they just witnessed.
I personally know of emergency responders who quit or retired after a particularly bad call…especially if it involved a child.
I myself was involved in more than one call that required the CIDT to show up at the station later…..that is the difference between “us” and “them”……we NEVER desensitize. We process and move on if we can, knowing our presence helps in such terrible situation….always. We do NOT shrug and roll our eyes. Ever.
I dare you to find one emergency responder who could look at the photo of an aborted baby and not want to retch.