A baby escaped death at Planned Parenthood in Sunnyside, WA, today
I received this email from pro-lifer Tom Dekker of Sunnyside, WA, a little while ago:
Jill,
You have been such an encouragement to me and my family, I want to pass along the events of my morning to you in hopes that it will be an encouragement to you.
I stopped by the gas station down the street from my office to buy a soda. There was an Asian woman at the counter asking for directions in broken English.
I recognized the street name from a new business development in town.
There are 3 businesses on the street, and the only one open is Planned Parenthood [pictured left], but I offered to drive there and have them follow me….
When we got to the intersection, I stopped to ask what business they were looking for, and the young mother explained to me that she was pregnant and “needed” to have an abortion. I told her that my mother couldn’t keep me when I was born, but instead gave me up for adoption. I asked her to please not have an abortion, and to follow me to a better place with more choices for her.
She, her husband and 18-month-old boy followed me 10 miles to Life Options, our local CareNet pregnancy center. (We stopped by the local office, but they were closed, so I asked them to follow me to the Grandview office.) By the grace of God, they followed a complete stranger. I got all 3 of them inside, and as I left, the nurse was coming out to give them counseling.
I have absolutely no doubt that the events of this morning were orchestrated by God. Please keep the young mother (Judy) in your prayers.
And, at least for this morning in Sunnyside, WA, the score is Life, 1; Planned Parenthood, 0.
Tom’s email was indeed a wonderful encouragement to me, and he gave me permission to encourage you with it, too. Please keep Judy, her baby, and their family in your prayers.
Some lessons: Always have your antennae up, and bloom where you are planted.
Good work, Tom. Today, all across the country, pro-lifers like Tom are helping mothers and saving babies in all sorts of ways. This post is dedicated to them.
[Flower graphic via LiveAction.org]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Oh my GOD -GOD Bless him and the mother, for even doubting, just for a split second what she was intending to do and instead follow him!!!
Tom should really be proud of himself. He took advantage of a poor, vulnerable immigrant woman in order to push a political agenda on her. This is like going to France, using a translation book to ask for directions to McDonalds, and having some joker taking you to a PETA rally instead.
Wonderful news, Tom.
Pro-aborts would say that it was NONE of his business, especially because he’s a HE, and that he stole her right to choose, and left her at one of those “fake” pregnancy centers, and on and on….. I wonder if they are happy that a new baby boy or girl will be born? (Praying that the mother, Judy, chooses LIFE, which means more LOVE for her and her family.)
Marissa
He saved a life….why are you so bitter. He told her the truth and showed love and compassion. How terribel
It certainly didn’t take Melissa long….
Thank you, Tom! Praying for this family. :)
Oh, sorry, I meant Marissa.
Marissa, he didn’t take advantage of anyone. He said, as you’ll read above:
I told her that my mother couldn’t keep me when I was born, but instead gave me up for adoption. I asked her to please not have an abortion, and to follow me to a better place with more choices for her.
She, her husband and 18-month-old boy followed me 10 miles to Life Options, our local CareNet pregnancy center.
They followed him of their own accord. Sounds like if Tom were pushing the pro-abortion political agenda, you’d be fine with it. Because of COURSE, the abortion industry would *never* take advantage of a poor, vulnerable immigrant woman who felt she had no other choice besides abortion. For money. Heck, no.
Marissa, how long ago did you have your abortion?
Yes, Marissa, because fundamentally, being an omnivore vs veganism is the same as pro-life vs. pro-abortion. . Frankly, the logic of my generation scares me.
Tom, for whatever else you have done in this life, you outdid yourself that day. That they were willing to follow you shows that she wasn’t fully committed to having an abortion, and probably would have regretted it later on, after it was too late.
Perhaps two lives were saved that day.
I love all of Marissa’s posts on this blog. She is so full af quirky, edgy comments. She also does an amazing job on educating all of us about why it’s wrong to be against abortion. Keep up the good work, Marissa. You are really getting somewhere with your posts.
I think this is an amazing story. Good job, Tom!
Way to mess up reading comprehension, Marissa…
So glad to hear this story.
Crisis pregnancy center baby afghan update! My first baby afghan is light purple and made from a chunky-ish yarn. So far it’s only long enough to cover the lower halves of a baby’s legs, but I started it less than a week ago, so that’s good progress. :D
How Wonderful! God bless them and I hope they receive(d) the love and care they obviously needed.
A lot of women think they have no choice but to have an abortion. I find this extremely sad.
God bless all of them. Good job, Tom!
yeah, where was Amanda Marcotte and all the other proaborts?
What option would they have offered this woman and her family?
May God abundantly bless you Tom. I too believe that God put the right person – you Tom, in the right place to help a woman who was maybe still open to the possibility of having a baby.
Wow, Marissa, you really need to work on your reading comprehension.
Tom clearly says that he explained that he was taking her to a place that would help with abortion alternatives.
In your analogy, it would be like me going to france and asking for Mcdonalds, and having someone say “well, I can’t help you there, but I do know of a really good vegan place. Would you like to follow me?”
If I really wanted that bigmac I could easily say “no” just as the young woman in this story could have easily said that no, she did not want alternatives, she wanted an abortion.
Sounds like everyone is a winner; Tom, the baby, the birth mother, and the adoptive family. ^5!
Thanks Tom, may the good Lord bless you, Judy, her baby, and their family.
Desteny… lol…
Posted by: Marissa at May 14, 2010 3:02 PM
“He took advantage of a poor, vulnerable immigrant woman in order to push a political agenda on her.”
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Marissa,
I don’t recall the man saying that he persuaded the woman or the man to join a particular political party or vote for a particular candidate or sign a petition.
Why he did not even mention talking to them about Gaia or Zeus.
Back in the day it was ‘gas, grass or ass, no one rides for free’.
What did Tom gain from this chance encounter?
A prostitute was fleeing from Seattle to Tacoma, when her pimp caught up with her. He stripped her of her clothes, beat her and went away, leaving her half dead.
A preacher happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the woman, he looked the other way and pretended he did not see her and continued on his way to his prayer meeting.
Likewise a Wiccan priestess, when she came to the place and saw the naked wounded woman, hurriedly passed her by and not wanting to be late to the convening of her coven.
But a retired janitor, as he traveled, came to where the woman was; and when he saw her, he took pity on her.
He stopped to help her and cleaned and bandaged her wounds, and applied antiseptic ointment.
Then he put the woman in his brand new car, took her to a nearby drug reahab facility and made sure she was comfortable.
The next day he gave the owner of the treatment center a thousand dollars and said, ‘Look after her, and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
Marissa,
Which of these three people do you think pushed their political agenda on the woman who was beaten by her pimp?
Blessed be our wonderful Lord and Saviour!
I don’t mean to rain on anyone’s parade, but how do we know the woman in question didn’t end up having an abortion anyway?
That is why we pray, Kelly.
angel,
Pro-aborts would have smiled and handed Judy a scrap of paper with directions to the nearest abortion facility scribbled on it. Mission accomplished.
Marissa I agree with you! Did you read the part where Tom then turned around and demanded the woman pay him 450 dollars for his services???? Oh wait. my mistake, that was Planned Parenthood.
Sheesh Tom. Way to take advantage!
Carla…I still think and pray for that girl you told us about. Did you ever hear what happened? Do you think the abortion was performed?
@ Kelly…
We really don’t. It’s nice to hope that she didn’t run back to Planned Parenthood and have the abortion.
I think the best part of the story is the part Tom played in all of this. Whether the child was aborted or not, we will never know, but there are people out there who really are willing to step up and try to show scared women that there are more options than just aborting the child if they find themselves pregnant at a bad time.
So if the baby’s mommy keeps the baby and she can’t support it, will Tom provide ongoing financial support so mommy can get child care while she completes her education or if she is lucky enough to secure employment? If mommy does not want the child, for now, will Tom take the child in as a foster child? And if this baby turns out to have developmental disorders will Tom pay for the therapy? If you save a baby, then shouldn’t you pay for it? And if the saved baby grows up in a dysfunctional family which abuses him/her and then turns to crime, will Tom reimburse the taxpayers? Cuz otherwise, it’s the taxpayers who will foot the bill. Sometimes, abortion is cheaper than the costs, to society, of an unwanted child.
Who says she can’t support the child?
Adoption is another option as well, Pat. I read multiple ads in my local paper every day… people who can’t have children looking to adopt. It’s ultimately the mother’s decision. Tom just showed her there were other options. Whether she decides to abort the child, keep the child, or find a family to adopt the child is all up to her. Tom didn’t save a child. He just opened a mother’s eyes, or at the very least tried to.
“Sometimes, abortion is cheaper than the costs, to society, of an unwanted child. ”
Yeah, and sometimes it’s cheaper to euthanize grandma than to continue her expensive cancer/dementia treatments. That doesn’t mean we do it, Pat.
Completely agree with Lauren. I was trying to think of a comparison such as that, but decided against it, as my post went in a different direction anyway.
I totally agree with you too, Desteny, and adoption is a very important thing to point out. So often pro-choicers talk of the act of raising a child as a justification for abortion, completely ignoring the fact that adoption exists.
For every “baby” saved, there will be lots more “killed” by women whom you obviously have no affection for and it doesn’t look this will end anytime soon. And demented elderly folks are already here – they’re not in the bodies of other folks. They’re protected by law which currently does not consider abortion a crime except for state laws regarding fetal viability etc.
“For every “baby” saved, there will be lots more “killed” by women whom you obviously have no affection for and it doesn’t look this will end anytime soon. ”
You can drop the scare quotes. It is, by definition, a baby and it is, by definition, killed. Pro-lifers ahve much more affection for women facing unplanend pregnancies than the suck ‘n kill crowd. We offer real alternatives such as medical care, housing, education, furniture, baby cothes, adoption services if wanted, and counseling if needed.
Is it a tragedy that we can not save every child? Yes. Does that mean that we stop trying to save any? Of course not.
“And demented elderly folks are already here – they’re not in the bodies of other folks. They’re protected by law which currently does not consider abortion a crime except for state laws regarding fetal viability etc. ”
The unborn are “already here” as well. They exist just as much as grandma. The fact that they are within their mother’s womb doesn’t change the fact that they are unique human beings. You might be interested to know that thanks to the Groningen Protocol, born children can also be euthanized (though not in this country, thankfully) without any fear of prosecution. The rational? The same as yours, Pat. It’s better for everyone if they’re dead, even though they are recognized as persons under the law. I would not be the bit suprised to see this protocol inacted on the elderly.
Also, appeal to the law is a very weak arguement. I don’t care if the law says that it’s perfectly fine for me to kill my 5 year old, that doesn’t make it so. Most human genocides have been legal, that doesn’t make them morally right.
Your thought process is quite simple to boil down. If it’s cheaper for society for x to be dead: kill x. You attempt to conflate it with a bodily domain argument, but the truth is that the two must stand alone.
Pat:
Abortion is not a complex issue. If it is not wrong for big, strong people to kill little, weak people just because they do not want them to live, then what could possibly be wrong? (Peter Kreeft)
Pat, how does the fact that for every baby that gets to live, for ever baby that is allowed to experience life, there are many more murdered, usually selfishly, by women supposed to change how anyone feels about the subject?
That’s the entire point of this blog, I will assume (My name isn’t Jill Stanek, I didn’t create the blog, so this is just an assumption on my part). It will likely continue for a while, but the only way to change it, now or generations from now, is to speak up about it. Isn’t that the way it’s always worked? People getting together, voicing their disapproval, to try to change things? America is a lovely place. I’m allowed to have my opinion, as you are allowed to have yours. We are both allowed to try to change things we don’t like about this country, whether the people who disagree with us like it or not.
I’m not understanding the reason you posted your “For every ‘baby’ saved” post, it really is lacking a point.
I really could turn around and say “But they got to live their lives, if it wasn’t for medecine and money, those people would be dead… survival of the fittest. Make room for the next generation.” in response to your comment about the older people, but arguing that is pointless.
Update: After speaking with a contact at the pregnancy center, the mother was convinced that she would not allow her baby to be born. We still don’t know the future, and so we continue to pray for Judy and her family.
And Pat, without question, I and my wife would do anything and everything to ensure that this baby has every opportunity that life could bring his/her way, and if that meant taking the baby in to our home whether as foster or adoptive parents, YES! If the family needed assistance in the pregnancy, we would make sure that was provided. If the child is disabled or has disorders or is otherwise “imperfect”, my only response would be to give him or her the most perfect love and provision I and my family can supply. Respecting the gift of life does not end at birth.
Oh, Tom. I am so sorry to hear that update. Thank you for leading her to a place to at least hear her options.
Tom you may end up in the same place I have been re: trying to help a woman and offering a option other than abortion.
In my case, the young woman (age 16) did go in and get an abortion. Her mother and older sister both had abortions and despite myself and another person attempting to intervene it was not enough. I prayed when she went into the clinic and by God’s grace found her mother sitting in a car a block away. (not surprising since it’s likely that the mother probably had issues) Despite talking to this woman for almost an hour we were unsuccessful in getting her to go back in and take her daughter out. She kept referring to the baby as a puppy that her daughter wouldn’t be able to care for. She blew off the option of adoption.
I often think about this young woman who would now be in her mid 40’s. I believe one of my tasks is to continue to pray for her.
I don’t know the outcome and won’t until we meet in the next life.
But there are many a day when I wish I could give her a hug. :(
Maybe my task was always just to pray for her and maybe that will be your’s too.
God bless.
Victor,
I totally appreciate the Peter Kreeft reference :)
Basically men subjugated women. Feminists push back and then turn around and subjugate their children to an even greater degree.
It’s the typical man hits wife, wife slaps kid, kid kicks dog scenario.
Thank God Tom did have his Pro-Life ears working!!
You know just today at the center that I work in, one of my volunteers came in and told me that a women she had in the counseling room needed to talk to me.
I went in there and this young women with 2 kids, told me that she had a abortion 5 years ago. As she was telling me her eyes weld up with tears and said that she had her abortion at Planned Parenthood, no information was given to her and after her abortion she was sent in a room with 10 other girls, just sitting in chairs and every single one of them were crying, some saying,”I just killed my baby” “what have I done?”,” they never told me about this”.
Do you see a pattern of destruction here? Not only the destruction of those babies, but the destruction of those women lives. I believe that most of the people who claim to be Pro-Choice are not educated on abortion and have not seen what an aborted baby looks like.
We need to pray for Marissa and the others like her, As far as the lady Judy, she did make a choice, she chose to follow Tom and prayerfully she is still pregnant.
Well, I guess this is a celebratory event for Marissa. Woo hoo! Tiny human being going to be dismembered in the womb!
“Update: After speaking with a contact at the pregnancy center, the mother was convinced that she would not allow her baby to be born. We still don’t know the future, and so we continue to pray for Judy and her family.”
And this just proves why CPC’s are considered fake clinics. A real medical clinic abides by HIPPA and would NEVER release that kind of information. CPC’s are staffed by people with no real medical education. They may wear white coats, but that’s just part of the deception.
Marauder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M
Grace: Quite correct. The entire concept of a “crisis pregnancy center” is laughable to begin with. Real “crisis pregnancy centers” are called hospitals.
Crisis Pregnancy Centers bill themselves as providing professional services. I realize that they are often staffed by volunteers, but it is very disturbing to me that this “nurse,” as Tom called her, who was providing “counseling” was so willing to share such private information about this client with a perfect stranger. This is not acceptable behavior from a medical professional, or anyone providing “counseling” to those in crisis.
Thanks to this “nurse’s” unprofessional behavior and Tom’s decision to share the story on the internet, the entire world can access information about this woman such as her first name (Judy), the town she lives in (Sunnyside, WA), her ethnicity (Asian, with a heavy accent), the fact that she is experiencing a crisis pregnancy and the decisions she has made in regards to this pregnancy. If I was this woman, even if I had decided to continue the pregnancy, I would be LIVID at the behavior displayed by the “medical professionals” at the CPC and by Tom.
Anyone working in a position to “counsel” anyone under the banner of a professional organization that appears to be a medical clinic, especially women and girls experiencing crisis pregnancies, needs to be trained to respect the privacy of those they counsel.
I was appalled by this story. I was saddened that this woman chose to have an abortion, but I was disgusted by the lack of respect given to her privacy by those involved.
Posted by: Grace at May 14, 2010 9:23 PM
From HIPPA Privacy Rules and the Pregnancy Center:
“The good news for pregnancy centers is that most are not covered by these new federal requirements. If your pregnancy center is not a health care provider, the new HIPAA privacy rules should have no application to your procedures and practices. Moreover, even if your center offers limited medical services such as ultrasounds or STD testing, it may be exempt from the requirements of HIPAA so long as it does not engage in electronic transactions related to insurance claims and payments.”
Pregnancy Resource Centers are just that: they offer RESOURCES and those who provide more technical services like ultrasound are technicians or even OB/GYNs (just met a wonderful one last week who acts in this capacity for some local centers). Yes, they are staffed with volunteers (CPCs don’t get $364 million in federal money like, oh, say, PP did last year), but I can’t imagine anyone bashing a food shelf volunteer for not being a bonafide grocer.
If nothing is wrong with abortion why the need to be so Hush, Hush????
C’mon, be proud of your abortions as you are of your children!! I thought we wanted to stop shaming women about becoming pregnant. How does abortion stop the shaming of women? No one that is pregnant and plans to have the baby cares whether the world knows it or not!
Stop shaming women. Stop abortion.
And this just proves why CPC’s are considered fake clinics. A real medical clinic abides by HIPPA and would NEVER release that kind of information. CPC’s are staffed by people with no real medical education. They may wear white coats, but that’s just part of the deception.
Posted by: Grace at May 14, 2010 9:23 PM
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That doesn’t “prove” anything, Grace. CPC stands for CRISIS PREGNANCY CENTER. They are not ‘clinics’. There’s no DECEPTION involved…except in YOUR mind.
Marissa, you seem to be confusing the term “crisis pregnancy” with “high-risk pregnancy”. What is commonly referred to as a crisis pregnancy can refer to a woman’s (or couple’s) employment or educational circumstances, immediate needs for financial or emotional support (think a young girl processing how she’s going to tell her parents) or even ramifications of an abuse situation.
Yes, a woman with a HIGH RISK pregnancy needs to see an OB/GYN ASAP and guess what? Prolifers in any given area have groups of doctors committed to both patients in their care & who will see any abortion-bound woman who professes this is the situation she’s feeling compels her to abort.
Praxedes,
Do you think it is Tom’s or your place to share that information about other people with the world, or do you consider that gossipy and mean? Maybe Judy is online right now sharing her abortion experience. That’s her right, not yours. And it’s far, far from the truth to say that no one pregnant cares whether the world knows it or not. When I was 19 and found myself pregnant I kept my daughter, but for most of my pregnancy I hid in my house, ashamed to show my face. A lot of that was because of my parents’ reaction to my pregnancy, and their shame, but I would have died if I had found out strangers were sharing the details of my situation, along with my name and location, in a public forum. Perhaps that is why this is a sensitive subject for me.
And just because CPCs are not legally required to follow government privacy laws doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t show respect for their clients’ privacy. Are you really bragging that it is “good news” that these facilities can share this private information about women in crisis with whomever they please? Don’t you feel a moral obligation to protect these women, klynn?
BTW, I am pro-life. Like I said, I found myself in a crisis pregnancy situation myself at the age of 19 and have raised my daughter alone, completing my education while she was young. My mother, a “devout” Catholic, tried to convince me that an abortion was my best option. I did not visit a CPC when I was pregnant because the rumors where I lived were that they would pressure you into putting the baby up for adoption, that they were really adoption agencies in disguise. I’m glad I didn’t now!
Posted by: Praxedes at May 14, 2010 9:44 PM
LOL, you’re so right, Praxedes. If this is simply tissue removal, why the feigned outrage on this woman’s behalf? I would never whisper in hushed tones that my neighbor’s kid had wisdom teeth taken out last week.
sarajane, I’m sorry you can’t read my tone via the internet, I was not BRAGGING that HIPAA does not apply to CPCs, I was pointing out Grace’s error. Proaborts routinely try to disparage the help prolifers offer (alternate that tactic with the “you don’t care about born people!” line & you’ve almost got the full menu).
The intent here was not gossip. I hardly think a first name and ethnicity is private information and please do consider this woman was asking for directions to the abortuary at a gas station. Anyone standing in line could have surmised as much. My moral obligation? I have been praying for her & even used her name in the prayer.
Klynn,
Did you read my post at 9:54? Not all women facing an unexpected or crisis pregnancy are ready to share the news with the world that they’re expecting a child. I wasn’t. I wanted my daughter and never considered abortion, but I was young and single and not ready to face the judgment of the public. I was scared. Not all pregnancies are treated as joyous events, unfortunately, and that should be respected. I would hope that someone counseling women who could possibly be in a situation like I was could be sensitive to that! I would also hope that all pro-lifers could be so as well.
“LOL, you’re so right, Praxedes. If this is simply tissue removal, why the feigned outrage on this woman’s behalf? I would never whisper in hushed tones that my neighbor’s kid had wisdom teeth taken out last week.”
That is because there is not an irrational and religiously-motivated (… but I repeat myself) social stigma surrounding wisdom teeth removal. Nobody protests in front of dentistries. Post-abortive women simply do not have the luxury of treating abortion for what it is (a simple surgical procedure) because of this stigma that people like you help to promote, and then have the audacity to turn around and say “hey, if you’re pro-choice, that means an abortion is just the same thing as wisdom teeth removal!”
“That is because there is not an irrational and religiously-motivated (… but I repeat myself) social stigma surrounding wisdom teeth removal.”
No, that is because removing teeth is in no way similiar to snuffing out a human life.
…an irrational and religiously-motivated (… but I repeat myself)
Newflash, Marissa, religion is any set of rules you live your life by & we’ve all got one. Your secular humanism doesn’t make you any more rational than anyone else, it just leads you to practice self-idolatry.
I thought it was clear that I was using the proabort illogic of “it’s no big deal ‘cuz it’s not a baby, it’s not killing, it’s not human, simple surgical procedure…” and so on. It’s your argument, dear, own it. A stigma develops out of what another poster was loving enough to attempt to describe to you: the law written on our hearts, the innate conscience all human beings possess (though it can be seared, obviously).
I apologize. But bare with me…please do not assume that I used a real name in identifying the young woman. The information I shared from my conversation with “Judy” happened in a public place with other bystanders around.
My “contact” was not a nurse, and I only asked if “Judy”, who I personally walked into the clinic and introduced to the receptionist, was able to get help. I was told “no.” If that is too much information to be shared, then blame me, as I, not the center, posted it.
I extrapolated the rest from my previous conversation with her.
It was for those readers that pray that I shared what I did. No gossip was intended, nor breach of confidentiality. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused…and please do not paint pregnancy centers with such a broad brush, especially not because of my poorly worded post.
@sarajane
Did you read my post at 9:54?
Yes, I did.
Not all women facing an unexpected or crisis pregnancy are ready to share the news with the world that they’re expecting a child. I wasn’t. I wanted my daughter and never considered abortion, but I was young and single and not ready to face the judgment of the public. I was scared. Not all pregnancies are treated as joyous events, unfortunately, and that should be respected.
I am well-aware. I was 20 when I learned I was pregnant with my daughter & it was a far-from-ideal situation (mega kudos for braving temporary circumstances & overcoming, btw). I, too, was single, on active duty w/the father & my Army command pressuring me to abort, several thousands of miles from home. I’ve raised her alone as well, so I understand more than you can imagine.
I would hope that someone counseling women who could possibly be in a situation like I was could be sensitive to that! I would also hope that all pro-lifers could be so as well.
I totally agree that we must be extremely gentle, loving & caring in our outreach. I disagree that anyone has crossed a boundary in this situation.
I was responding to the notion that those who have had abortions should not be ashamed since “No one that is pregnant and plans to have the baby cares whether the world knows it or not!” – Praxedes.
I got the impression that the two of you feel that since no one should ever be ashamed of a pregnancy, whether it is carried to term or not, it is perfectly acceptable to discuss personal information about pregnant women. Even information that the pregnant woman divulged with a “counselor” at a CPC and probably thought was in confidence.
Okay sarajane, grace and the rest…if you are so concerned about patient privacy then please by all means visit the abortioneers blog and tell me why abortion providers are ALSO providing identifying information about women having abortions on their blog?
Are you saying, Sydney, that because they do something wrong then it’s perfectly A-OK for us to do so as well? I think we should hold ourselves to higher standards than abortioneers, don’t you? They aren’t exactly known for the respect that they show patients, are they?
“Pregnancy Resource Centers are just that: they offer RESOURCES and those who provide more technical services like ultrasound are technicians or even OB/GYNs (just met a wonderful one last week who acts in this capacity for some local centers). Yes, they are staffed with volunteers (CPCs don’t get $364 million in federal money like, oh, say, PP did last year), but I can’t imagine anyone bashing a food shelf volunteer for not being a bonafide grocer.”
There’s a big difference between counseling women on their options during pregnancy and recommending a tomato. If there’s no deception by CPC’s like you state, then why are they so outraged by laws requiring them to state the services they do and do not offer (like the one Baltimore just enforced)? A local CPC has the wording “Abortion Information” on their business sign. Of course the only abortion info they have is that they are bad, you will most likely commit suicide, you’ll never be able to run a vacuum again (b/c it’ll remind you of the abortion) and it very well may make you infertile. I have a question for all you CPC volunteers, after you show one of your abortion videos, why not show a video showing an actual vaginal or c-section birth? I’m a mother myself, and have seen your anti-abortion videos, and I can honestly say that giving birth is way more gross and invasive than an abortion.
And what’s with the white coats the volunteers wear? Are you trying to look like a real medical professional?
I have been pregnant four times. Three births. One miscarriage. Some societal shame when unwed and pregnant with first child. Unwed mothers need our support! Women who miscarry (and abort) need our support! Men need to be allowed to be involved!
Best friend aborted first pregnancy. Had three more babies. She is soooo proud of her children but does not want me to talk to anyone about her abortion. Why? Why? Why? It is a legal ‘choice’ so why is she not PROUD?
I told a women the other night about having my first child out of wedlock and she said, “Sex outside of marriage is the only sin that sometimes rewards you with something so beautiful.”
I was SO SELFISH in my decision to have sex without the true commitment of marriage; however, Jesus Loved Me So Much that he brought a beautiful boy baby (now a man) into my life.
I don’t believe that while I am here on this Earth that it will get any better than Jesus rewarding me for being a goofball.
Children are a gift no matter the circumstances surrounding their conception. Abortion kills–twice.
Marissa: Yeah, because I’m REALLY going to click on your video link and see what your little punchline is. Don’t think so.
Grace: It’s not about what’s “grosser”, it’s about the fact that abortion involves the death of a human being.
Grace,
Is it whoever has dibs on the white coat that makes one moral?
Satan will wear whatever it is he thinks will keep you near him.
“I got all 3 of them inside, and as I left, the nurse was coming out to give them counseling.”
Tom, you referred to your contact as a nurse. So she’s not a nurse? What is she then, a psychologist? She’s counseling right? Does she have any type of medical or counseling education or just a list of anti-abortion talking points?
CPC deceive women/girls all the time. When you visit you have to fill out a questionnaire, which ask your name, address, phone number, parents names. All identifying info. Some CPC’s have even called the girls parents to tell them their daughter is pregnant and may be seeking abortion services. A real medical professional would never do that.
They also show women/girls saved ultrasound pictures instead of their actual ultrasound. Of course the fake ultrasound pic is of a pregnancy much farther along than the women/girl actually are. Abortion patients come in all the time to a local AB clinic, they tell the REAL nurse how far along they are, the nurse asks how they know, they say they visited a local CPC and rec’d an ultrasound. Every patient must have an ultrasound prior to the abortion, and guess what, the CPC visitors are always off by at least 3 weeks.
If that’s not deception, I don’t know what is.
Grace. Remember, Trust Women.
Abortion is Deception.
“They also show women/girls saved ultrasound pictures instead of their actual ultrasound. Of course the fake ultrasound pic is of a pregnancy much farther along than the women/girl actually are. Abortion patients come in all the time to a local AB clinic, they tell the REAL nurse how far along they are, the nurse asks how they know, they say they visited a local CPC and rec’d an ultrasound. Every patient must have an ultrasound prior to the abortion, and guess what, the CPC visitors are always off by at least 3 weeks.
If that’s not deception, I don’t know what is.”
Any evidence of these claims whatsoever?
As a former CPC director, I’d like to address these points (from someone who was actually at one every day for almost 4 years and has actual employment proof I was there, not from someone who couldn’t prove they ever even visited a CPC and then posted some CRAP on an anti-life website):
When you visit you have to fill out a questionnaire, which ask your name, address, phone number… All identifying info
True. But we have absolutely no way of telling whether or not the client actually gave us her real name or identifying info. No IDs are required.
parents’ names
Never once did we ask for a parent’s name.
Some CPC’s have even called the girls parents to tell them their daughter is pregnant and may be seeking abortion services. A real medical professional would never do that.
We never called a parent nor threatened to do so. We had strict rules about confidentiality and would have been fired and/or excused from volunteer service at a CPC had any confidentiality ever been breached.
They also show women/girls saved ultrasound pictures instead of their actual ultrasound. Of course the fake ultrasound pic is of a pregnancy much farther along than the women/girl actually are. Abortion patients come in all the time to a local AB clinic, they tell the REAL nurse how far along they are, the nurse asks how they know, they say they visited a local CPC and rec’d an ultrasound.
In order to be allowed to administer ultrasound, one has to be TRAINED to do ultrasound and certified. Many of the techs are actual nurses, and if a CPC does ultrasounds, they are under the medical direction of a physician.) BTW, when I was pregnant, nurses didn’t do my ultrasounds at the dr’s office or hospital. Trained ultrasound technicians did.
Every patient must have an ultrasound prior to the abortion, and guess what, the CPC visitors are always off by at least 3 weeks.
If that’s not deception, I don’t know what is.
Do you work for an abortion clinic, Grace?
Are you aware that abortion clinics have been known to fudge on how far along a fetus is in order to appear in compliance with state laws regulating abortion based on fetal age?
BTW, we never wore white coats, claimed to be nurses, or lied over the phone when asked “do you do abortions?” I don’t know where these CPCs are that you claim are deceiving women.
You can accuse me of lying, Grace, but I was an actual employee, and I have firsthand experience with what I’m talking about, as do many other women on these boards who volunteer at CPCs. Do you?
Grace,
Back up what you claim to be ALWAYS true.
If nothing is wrong with abortion, what difference would 3 weeks make anyway???????????
‘Proabort’ is definitely the name. Unless murder is a choice.
Earth to Grace. Earth to Grace. Geesh.
Kel,
I have lots of first hand experience. And everything I stated is true. No crap I found on a blog. Not all CPC’s have trained ultrasound techs. SOME train their volunteers, housewives with no formal education beyond high school.
I recommend you read NARAL Virginia’s CPC report just released.
And yes, I realize that some AB clinics will fudge a women’s gestational age, and I disagree with that. AB clinics shouldn’t and never should CPC’s.
I have lots of first hand experience. And everything I stated is true. No crap I found on a blog.
Please elaborate. You have lots of first hand experience visiting CPCs?
Not all CPC’s have trained ultrasound techs. SOME train their volunteers, housewives with no formal education beyond high school.
If they go through special training, it doesn’t matter if they’re housewives without formal education. If it’s not required by law for them to have formal degrees, then what’s the problem? BTW, I believe anyone who administers ultrasound had better have training. Period.
I recommend you read NARAL Virginia’s CPC report just released.
Yep, just found it. And let me just say that for NARAL to do a report on CPCs using 16 volunteers is laughable. With zero video or audio evidence. (BTW, I noticed that in fact, when asked if they refer for abortions, the CPCs said “no.” Interesting.)
And yes, I realize that some AB clinics will fudge a women’s gestational age, and I disagree with that. AB clinics shouldn’t and never should CPC’s.
On this we can agree. I would also add that I believe women at abortion clinics should be allowed to see their ultrasound before the procedure. This is usually not the case. Would you consider that to be deception, Grace? It is at the very least, not receiving full disclosure on what is about to take place.
Fascinating thread.
Kudos to the pro-lifers!! Great arguments/witness all around.
Grace,
While you work yourself into a lather over the qualifications of the ultrasound techs in CPC’s, we need to bear in mind two realities.
1. A poorly trained tech at worst is going to produce poor images.
2. Most abortionists aren’t even OB/GYN’s. They are washouts from other branches of medicine. Abortion is a dead-ender job for MD’s.
Seems you’re getting all worked up over the wrong issue. If you really want to keep abortions safe and legal, you should be advocating for a better quality abortionist. The reason why we don’t have them after 37 years is because abortion is regarded as really scummy by the community of competent practitioners.
As for your disparaging comment about housewives with little or no formal education beyond high school, we could only hope and pray for the day when they run the country. We see what the radical feminists with their graduate degrees have accomplished. We see how many women are hurt by abortions performed by MD’s.
Marissa,
Tom offered a desperate couple a vision of hope. You would hold out a suction catheter. That’s the essential difference between the two of you.
He gave a young couple an alternative vision and led them to a place where they will be shown ALL of their options. Of course, if they don’t like those options, they will find their way back to PP.
That said, you seem really, really vexed that the baby didn’t get slaughtered. In truth, you sound like someone who believes that they were cheated. What a dark and brooding post from you.
Don’t you believe that such a decision ought to be a fully informed decision? Shouldn’t all surgical procedures be fully informed decisions??
When my friend in high school planned to get an abortion, I went to Planned Parenthood to get information on the risks of abortions. It was back in 1989 before I really had internet access. I was promptly verbally attacked by ultra defensive employees, although I said nothing more than I wanted information to share with my friend about the risks. I think Planned Parenthood is the organization that thrives on uneducated victims.
Jenny,
Totally agree with you. They operate under the assumption that women don’t need or want to know about the baby growing inside of them. They don’t say the word “baby” either. They deceive and outright lie and lie by omission. I fell for it.
Trust women when they have all of the information and support they need.
Here is my abortion story
http://outcrywisconsin.blogspot.com/2009/03/my-story-at-faith-community-church.html
PS
Good morning to all of you former fetuses!! I am going to go make breakfast for my four former fetuses(feti?)right now but wanted to wish everyone a great day!!
Children are a gift no matter the circumstances surrounding their conception. Abortion kills–twice.
Posted by: Praxedes at May 14, 2010 11:05 PM
no goofball are you!
You are awesome and the important point in this life is just to keep trying.
Many blessings….
klynn73 @ 9:53,
I’ve always thought that the terms “unexpected” pregnancy and “crisis” pregnancy were synonymous. Thanks for pointing out that sometimes people confuse “crisis” pregnancy with “high risk” pregnancy… two very different situations. Just another example of how important language is in the abortion debate.
I have been a prolifer for years been at abortion clinics protesting and worked with my local CPC for years. The facts are:
1. I have NEVER heard a woman lied to about whether we do abortions, they are told “NO”
2. NEVER heard the counselors leave a message with the mother, boyfriend, any family member or ANY one else. They ONLY talk to the client directly.
3. I have NEVER seen a prolife counselor or protester scream at, chase down (other than try to walk along side of a woman to talk to her)or hinder the path of a woman going into an abortuary (prolife groups trains their protesters and counselors very carefully to avoid this)
4. We know pro-aborts are looking to accuse us of causing problems, want to accuse us of being violent and want to accuse us of lying to women so we are very careful to make them out of the liars that they are.
This reminds me of a chant we sometimes use at prolife rallies “PP lies to you”.
Ashley H – 1st paragraph: Intelligent, mature, objective observation. Thanks.
2nd paragraph: 99% overexaggeration. That said, those pro-life sidewalk counselors are literally the last hope a baby has before being killed. They also know chances are great the mother will regret her decision immediately, or in a month, or in a year, or in 10 years, or 20 years – at some point. They’re trying to help her.
Sidewalk counselors also know chances are great an aborting mother feels trapped into making the decision she’s about to make. These people are sacrificing their time and resources for two lives.
Sidewalk counselors deserve honor, not caricaturing. At hundreds of abortion mills every day, there they are. 99% are good, decent, dedicated people with hearts and actions in the right place… who do not behave as you claim.
I don’t actually live in the States so I don’t know the actual price of having to bring a fetus to term. I also do not know how much it would be to have an abortion, but I can sure guess that it would be much cheaper than the numerous hospital visits and special costs you would have to forfeit to carry a fetus in your womb for 9 months. That doesn’t include the hospital charges when you actual have to deliver the baby. So I would think that this poor immigrant woman probably didn’t have the means to pay for another child (plus hospital costs) and probably just scrounged up all she could find so that she could afford a proper abortion. Because let’s face it, you can’t talk a women out of an abortion. In desperate cases when she “needs” it (and trust me, there are cases when she needs it), she’ll find illegal and cheaper avenues that can lead to death. Just look up statistics about illegal abortion and deaths.
Second of all, the woman was talking in broken English so in all probability she might not have understood where this strange (probably white) man was taking her. For all she knew, he could have been talking her to another abortion clinic.
I think it’s disgusting when people sit here and type away not know what the circumstances are. You white Christians sitting in your houses pointing fingers and judging others, when you yourself have no idea what they must be going through.
What if that poor woman was raped? What if she faced shame from her family or violence? What if she didn’t have any money and their family was already starving? Did Tom bother ask the woman why she needed an abortion? Did he bother to sit down and try to talk to her and then present both options instead of making the poor woman who “spoke broken English” blindly follow him to some other building.
Shame on you, all of you. You speak on behalf of the unborn fetuses but you forget the voices of the women. Your sheer ignorance about the issues is why thousands of women are driven to back alley’s for illegal abortions which lead to infection and death. If they are willing to risk it all, I’m pretty sure they “need” it.
“but I can sure guess that it would be much cheaper than the numerous hospital visits and special costs you would have to forfeit to carry a fetus in your womb for 9 months. That doesn’t include the hospital charges when you actual have to deliver the baby.”
Actually, thanks to prenatal chip or medicaid, the majority of low income women (up to 200% the federal poverty line) pay nothing for their pregnancy/delivery.
This includes immigrants regardless of legal status because the unborn child is considered the patient and thus eligible for care under the prenatal chip program.
Oh and Yvonne, you make quite a few assumptions about the people on this board.
You might be shocked to know that there are several women who have had crisis pregnancies and even abortions. We’re also a very ethnically diverse crowd. So, to quote you, “shame on you and your sheer ignroance about the issues.”
Shame on you, all of you. You speak on behalf of the unborn fetuses but you forget the voices of the women. Your sheer ignorance about the issues is why thousands of women are driven to back alley’s for illegal abortions which lead to infection and death. If they are willing to risk it all, I’m pretty sure they “need” it.
Posted by: Yvonne at May 15, 2010 1:54 PM
the point is Yvonne, that the prochoice crowd speaks ONLY for the woman – it has never recognized that there are TWO persons involved in an abortion: the mother and the baby.
and they don’t really have her welfare in mind really, otherwise people like you would be quite willing to have consent laws and completely open disclosure about abortion and it’s risks. You would also favor ultrasounds to show the woman her baby and to ensure that she is pregnant and that there are no complicating circumstances….
Most prolifers care deeply about the woman involved which is why we often offer them care, money and our time.
Proabortionists can’t and won’t even take the time to explain this very serious procedure to women.
Now why is that?
And not only that, but when things don’t work out for the woman after the abortion and she has regrets or health problems, proaborts don’t take the time to listen to her or help her even then.
Instead the voices of post-abortive women get blown off: they are told that they were probably “mentally unstable” before the abortion anyway.
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“Your sheer ignorance about the issues is why thousands of women are driven to back alley’s for illegal abortions which lead to infection and death. If they are willing to risk it all, I’m pretty sure they “need” it.”
Yvonne, I work with teenagers. It has been a ‘choice’ for some time for emotionally disturbed young people to cut themselves and play the choking game.
Whadda ya think about us giving them safe, sterile, beautiful tax-funded environments in which to cut and choke themselves. Let’s throw in a few ‘doctors’ with ‘formal’ educations after high school wearing white coats who could do the cutting and choking for these obviously distressed humans. These ‘professionals’ of course would be paid big $$$. Then we could tell the world how we are helping these poor, unfortunate humans have a better life.
If these youngsters are willing to risk it all by doing this in the privacy of their homes (and maybe sometimes in back alleys), I’m pretty sure they need to be choked and cut.
On second thought, Shame, Shame on you, Yvonne.
“I think it’s disgusting when people sit here and type away not know what the circumstances are.”
Which is exactly what you’re doing right now, strangely enough.
“You white Christians sitting in your houses pointing fingers and judging others, when you yourself have no idea what they must be going through. ”
Umm…how do you know the racial and religious make-up of the posters on this site?
Newsflash: there are “white Christians” who are pro-abortion. There are atheists, agnostics, and people of all different races who are pro-life
As for “pointing fingers and judging others”, you might want to take a good, long look in the mirror, sweetheart.
“You speak on behalf of the unborn fetuses but you forget the voices of the women.”
Perhaps you should actually try talking to a pro-lifer. Or read through the posts on this site; find out what we really think and do. Educate yourself instead of letting PP, NARAL, etc. think for you.
“Shame on you, all of you”
No. Shame on YOU, for supporting the murder of defenseless human beings.
right on Lucy! ;)
14, 2010 10:08 PM
“Post-abortive women simply do not have the luxury of treating abortion for what it is (a simple surgical procedure)”…
Posted by: Marissa at May
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Marissa,
If you keep poking away at your keyboard like one of Darwins’s monkeys sooner or later you might just get lucky and construct a coherent statement that has some truth in it.
You came close on the one above, but you failed to qualify your postulation.
For example:
‘Submitting to a an early first trimester suction and curretage abortion is a ‘relatively’ simple surgical procedure comparared to a routine hysterectomy.’
Keep setting off your bombs in what is the junkyard of your intellect and sooner or later you might get lucky and produce a statue in likeness of Sasquatch.
I’m praying that God makes a way for Judy to keep her baby and raise it herself.
Oh Yvonne. I know what you mean. My mom and dad are approaching old age and in a few years are are really gonna be a burden to my family. My dad is going to be 74. I just can’t afford to pay for a nurse, or put him in a home in a few years. I will have to forfeit time and money. I think I’ll just kill him. And if my mom gets too old I may just have to make a hard choice and do whats best for my situation and really, whats most humane for my mom.
Do you even LISTEN to yourself Yvonne? Is the attitude you’ve adopted towards unborn children applicable to born children? teens? adults? old people? Since when is money a good reason to kill someone? Are you in the mafia or something?
And yes I’m white and a Christian. Whats your point?
Sydney M. – Love your post!
There was a similar story in our prolife newsletter about a young AA woman who was considering aborting her twins. Her entire family was for the abortion, but at the last minute she changed her mind. The twin baby girls were born in March and they are just gorgeous! The grandmother of these beautiful little girls thanked the prolife counselor for her twin granddaughters!
Each year, thousands of young women, many of them of color, continue to find help and support at CPC’s, yet black legislators lead the charge in attacking them. It’s very sad.
Thanks to Tom for reaching out. I don’t know if we ever find out how our actions impact others. I think that ultimately when we reach out to others with love and care, the effect is positive.
There seem to be a lot of loving, caring women (and a few men) posting here. God bless all of you.
Let’s say all the pro-choice arguments against CPC’s are true — they lie, distort the issues, intimidate women, etc.
Just answer one question: how many women have died at CPC’s?
Jill or anyone that can answer,
I recently read a statistic that 1/3 of all abortions in the U.S. are performed on African American women. Is there truth to this statistic? If so, where are all the African American leaders/politicians and why are they not crying out that 1/3 of their population has been and is being killed? I just don’t understand. Abortion is horrible no matter what someone’s race is. I know that the break down of the family is at the root of so many of societal ills, but why do we not hear about these disturbing numbers in the African American community if they are factual?! This is so horrible. Somebody please correct me if I did not state the right information. Thanks.
You are correct doe, the correct number is close to 40%. Please go to toomanyaborted.com (click on the youtube icon and play the “Black Children are an Endangered Species video), also maafa21.com (they have a promo of their video), learninc.org and nationalblackprolifeunion.com. There are other A. A. prolife websites and organizations that are trying to get the word out but they are many times called “traitors” from the Congressional Black Caucus and other tools of the Democratic political machine. Very sad state of affairs.
Hi ProliferL,
Thanks for the response and I will check out that site. God Bless!
Come on pro-choice people, you didn’t answer my question about the CPC’s — how many women have been seriously injured or have died at a CPC? How many have been closed or fined for unsanitary conditions, like the abortion clinic here in Philly?
Still waiting . . .
You will be waiting a long time, Phillymiss but I am sure you already know that. :)
How many babies have died at CPC’s as opposed to abortion mills?
I actually live in Grandview, Wa. where the woman was taken. I have been to that very same clinic here. I know for a fact that no views would have been pushed on the woman.
They are pro life, they are also a christian clinic. they offer there services for free. Providing free pregnancy tests, also for woman having babies, they offer a point system. For evey book you read about parenting and caring for your child you get points, which can be used in the clinic to get clothing, diapers toys, and many other things they may need.
They don’t push their faith on you either they do “ask” if they can pray with you, if you decline they are not rude, they smile and say ok, while still helping you.
He did the right thing that day, and for anyone to be upset about it is really sad. He didn’t say ” I stayed and waited to make sure she didn’t murder her baby “. He just pointed her in the right direction. It was her choice in the end if she wanted to follow, and then walk through those doors.
I come from a family where I am the only girl who has not had an abortion. I myself had my very own little mistake baby. Abortion never crossed my mind though. Now my little mistake is my pride and joy, my only little girl after having two boys. I did the right thing, and after my mistake, which is still a blessing, I tied my tubes. I don’t know why so many women won’t protect themselves against pregnancy in the first place.
I have a cousin who would give the world for the chance to adopt an unwanted baby. Her and her husband can’t though because if you’re not rolling in cash they don’t allow it. She had an abortion and regrets it. Now because of the abortion she is unable to ever get pregnant, and now they won’t allow her to adopt.
Maybe someone would see this and want to help her too.
“I have a cousin who would give the world for the chance to adopt an unwanted baby. Her and her husband can’t though because if you’re not rolling in cash they don’t allow it. She had an abortion and regrets it. Now because of the abortion she is unable to ever get pregnant, and now they won’t allow her to adopt.”
“Maybe someone would see this and want to help her too.”
Posted by: kim at May 18, 2010 11:55 AM
Kim,
I’ll keep your cousin in my prayers.
Thank you Janet. :)
Kim. Wow. Your story really touched me. I am praying for your cousin too. God is so good. I pray He will choose to bless her with another baby.
May GOD Be Praised, by All, Everywhere, At All Times!
For HE is Great Indeed, the GREATEST, afterall!
Sing Praises to HIM, for the MIGHTY has trounced HIS enemies, all Praises to HIM.
I can only pray for those who felt that Tom did something wrong, may GOD help you to find HIM, including HIM in the unborn.
GOD Bless Tom and those like him, America needs millions of Tom, to help it achieve some semblance of a civilized society.
GOD Bless!
Im Just spitting this out here.No child is “unwanted” God wants and loves all children. Did Jesus not say “Let the little children come to me.”?He in fact did.Do you realize that among all the babies that died,one could have found the cure for cancer.Or gotten us to Mars? And now they can’t.It’s sickening.
Reading these posts leaves me with mixed thoughts and emotions. I am so thankful for the man who stood up for life, irregardless of what it might cost him. Telling a mother and father that there are other options besides abortion is the humanest thing any person could do. To the ones on here that are so worried about the “privacy” of the woman involved, I have something to say to that as well. As someone who has had an abortion, and has lived with the associated hell that comes “after” the abortion, and who now helps women who have had abortions, I just wish that some person whom I knew when I was pregnant, had the courage to risk my reputation and “privacy” to save me, my child, the child’s father’s, and even yes, that child’s living siblings, the pain of losing a member of their family. Had someone spoken up and broke the silence for me, my life would be very different. Try speaking to MANY post-abortive women and ask them if they recommend it, before anyone tries to put this man on a guilt trip for standing up for life. He did the right thing. He chose not to be a man pleaser but a God pleaser. Good for you sir!
As the mother of an adopted child, all I can say is Great Job Tom !! Thank you so much for giving that woman an option. Without people thinking about others, I would still be childless. Our birth-mother was considering abortion as well and decided to have the child to give up for adoption instead of an abortion. Thank God she did. He is the love of our lives and I cannot imagine my life without him now. Thanks Tom !!! I am so glad that God is in your heart and chose you to bring to that woman.
Hey, Marissa…when the new documentary “Blood Money” comes out, be sure to watch it. The truth behind Planned Parenthood will be exposed, and you will not possibly be able to feel the same way after watching it. I only watched a 3 minute preview and was shocked and deeply saddened by what really goes on behind those closed doors!
OMG!!! I just watched that preview and I am in shock. Everyone should see it, i can’t believe they would do that.
Adorable BABY care article!………keep it up!
Thnks &Rgds