New Stanek WND.com column, “The IUD as emergency contraceptive?”
The aversion of a large contingent of the pro-life movement on a critical point has allowed pro-aborts to slither us down a colossal slippery slope.
That contingent has refused to engage on the fact that hormonal contraceptives and the intrauterine device may cause abortions by obstructing days-old embryos from implanting in the uterus.
Now we learn of the next slither down the slope. Reuters reported this week:
A copper intrauterine device was 100% effective at emergency contraception in a study of almost 2000 Chinese women who had the device implanted up to five days after unprotected sex….
“It is by far the best emergency contraceptive option,” [said] Dr. James Trussell… “But many people just don’t know about it.”
I was one. Further news to me, again from Reuters:
On its women’s health site, the Department of Health and Human Services lists intrauterine devices as a valid form of emergency contraception.
Really? Yes.
What should alarm pro-lifers is the likelihood that IUDs inserted post-coitally are most likely to cause abortions….
Continue reading my column today, “The IUD as emergency contraceptive?,” at WorldNetDaily.com.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Inserting an IUD PRE-coitally is likely to cause abortions. IUDs are abortifacient. IUDs were the reason Planned Parenthood campaigned to change the definition of pregnancy from conception to implantation, so they could say that IUDs do not terminate pregnancies.
I stopped using hormonal birth control because it was causing me issues and that along with finding out how they really work is why I have stayed away from them ever since. I never used an IUD, but when I stopped using a pill some friends suggested an IUD that they had all recently gotten. I looked it up and found that it works by preventing implantation, so that wasn’t an option for me either. Thank you for spreading this news, Jill! I do have to say that I didn’t know (or think of) anyone using an IUD as “emergency contraceptive” (such a deceptive term). Considering how they work, I guess that makes sense…. sad sense. :(
Young women have no idea that in years past the IUD was removed from the market due to serious complications to the woman (bleeding, perforation of the uterus, infections, etc.) – they just see slick commercials on the TV. They are dangerous and totally unnatural.
I guess I should not be amazed at the brazenness of PP – and what are the woman to do after? Remove it the next week – or keep it in for a few years? I am beginning to think that PP is hell-bent on people having no children at all.
Yes – all sex – no repercussions – and no children. The epitome of enlightenment. (NOT!).
And I wonder who paid for that ‘research’ on the Chinese women. When are we going to say ‘enough’ to this lunacy?
I deleted your first comment because of the Christian bashing which we keep warning you about, Ashley.
I think you need a blog break.
She summed up my attitude about it preventing implantation: “Who cares? It’s a couple of cells.”
Now there’s good science for ya. From what you’ve said about your mom on this site, she has a “who cares” attitude about unborn children who are more than “a couple of cells,” as well.
If people who are anti-contraception want to be “constantly pregnant” (which is impossible, btw), does that mean pro-contraception people never want to be pregnant? If anti-contraception people think sex is disgusting (haha, I think that’s hilarious that you claim to be so logical and then make asinine statements like that), then are all pro-contraception people complete sex addicts?
Ashley,
Back when research on contraceptives (i.e. Contra- against conception) was brand new, the population-control, eugenicists finding the research had a BIG problem. This was the 60’s and abortion was illegal, yet all hormonal or invasive ways they had come up with the stop babies by manipulating the female body did not work at solely preventing conception- They prevented implantation too, resulting in a dead human embryo. So abortion, killing of preborn children was illegal, but all of their new drugs and devices caused abortions. Since they goal was preventing BIRTH, this was successful to them and they were pro-abortion anyway so the killing of the babies didn’t bother them, leaving the only thing to do being to manipulate the definition of pregnancy to implantation and the definition of contraception to preventing conception AND implantation. The definition of pregnancy didn’t change until Planned Parenthood and their rich, racist supporters who vehemently wanted to control the population of people they deemed a plague on society (minoriies, mostly) petitioned the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists to change the definition to suit their agendas.
Moreover, this allows Planned Parenthood and pro-aborts to DECEIVE women who were opposed to abortion on the grounds that it kills children by claiming that the IUD and Pill would not terminate a pregnancy, only prevent pregnancy. They still use this lie, and countless pro-life women abort their children all the time while not even knowing it. Note the disclaimer following Plan B ads on tv- “Plan B is not the abortion pill. It will not interfere with an existing pregnancy.” Actually, Plan B DOES cause abortions. This is a lie meant to deceive anti-abortion women so they could use the product. It’s great to know you support this effort to trick pro-life women into having early abortions they don’t want. Very pro-choice of you!
Changing the definition of pregnancy is not scientific like you claim. It was political and deceptive to progress an agenda. You appear to share that agenda, either because you want to use these abortives yourselves or defend others who do. But abortion is abortion no matter how big the baby is, even when she is only a couple of cells.
P.S. Ashley, your comments are quite easy to argue with- especially that “clump of cells” one. It was actually too easy, which is why I didn’t touch it.
Ugh, okay, I will bite on that clump of cells one, Ashley, just because I’m disturbed about her callousness toward her children and your lack of regard for your brothers and sisters. You probably have siblings that are dead because they weren’t big enough for your mother to care about- I would venture to say that she wouldn’t care any more about them if they were bigger too, the fact that they were tiny was just an excuse to justify not caring about them. That doesn’t bother you? I regret losing a brother/sister when my mom miscarried, and that was a natural death. It doesn’t consume me, but I sometimes wonder what he/she would have been like, given my sister and I are so different. It’s also a loss given that my sister and I are also so awesome. Luckily, I am one of those Christians whom you hate and I look forward to meeting him/her in eternity and playing some raucous kickball. But I love my brother/sister- because that is my little brother/sister. I’m just floored how you are fine with killing your little siblings because they are so little. Typically, their littleness spurs big siblings to want to protect them rather than be indifferent at their being killed. Only bullies are fine with using someone’s size and vulnerability as an excuse to abuse them.
Ashley- if you can’t see the difference between a human being dying a natural death (not implanting, heart attack, old age) and someone people killed because their mother took a pill knowing it would kill them, truly there is no point in talking to you. This isn’t complicated. Miscarriages are not abortions. A natural death is not a murder. The point is that people have no right to decide who gets to keep living, especially their own children who they are called to love and protect. Taking a pill that will kill any child you create is an abortion. A baby failing to implant was not aborted, any more than a stillborn child or a man who dies in his bed at 92 years old. Human beings are human beings are any age or size and its murder to kill them at any age or size. I could have been miscarried like my sibling, but my mother never, ever, would have done something to intentionally or carelessly kill me.
That embryo that miscarried naturally is very much your brother or sister, equal to the other ones. And just because you’re not aware of the other siblings, doesn’t mean they never existed. They had to exist in order to die. You will one day die. Does that mean you never existed?
The only “abortion procedure” she ever had was a D&C on a miscarried embryo. (And she wouldn’t lie. As she put it, “I wouldn’t be afraid to admit it to you if I did.”)
Exactly as I said- you mom has no problem with killing her own children. Precisely the callousness I referred to earlier. The great irony is that you don’t seem to understand that a mother that wouldn’t be afraid to admit killing her children and is fine with admitting killing other children with the pill could have just as easily killed you. She has it in her and isn’t afraid to talk about it. You’re just lucky.
I noticed that you didn’t even touch my response about the changing definition of pregnancy. I’m not surprised. I’m glad though, I have more important things to do that argue with someone devoid of a conscience.
NFP = Natural Family Planning. Try to focus on the word that the ‘N’ stands for Ashley.
Just want to clarify something. Jacqueline said “miscarriages are not abortions.” But in fact, miscarriages are abortions. Miscarriages are actually “spontaneous abortions.” This is because abortion is a termination of a pregnancy, regardless of whether the termination was natural or not.
I think we all know what Jacqueline meant KM.
I take that back. There might be someone here that needs to focus on your clarifications. It’s so nice to know you care and thanks for reading our comments!
“There was lots of child abuse and maternal alcoholism.” And these numbers have declined by how much since Roe v. Wade?
On a different note, I went to a new ob-gyn recently since my former doc retired. ): I noticed an ‘ad’ on the wall for the IUD in her office. During our discussion, she asked what I was using for BC and I told her we don’t use any (both hubby and I are early 40s) and that we were OK with more children if I were to become pregnant. The doctor raised her eyebrow and said “really?”
I later had an ultrasound to check on a uterine fibroid I’ve known about for many years. This fibroid had grown from 4cm to 5cm over the last few years. Several days later I received a call from clinic staff and they said, “your ob-gyn is recommending a hysterectomy.”
Hey Ashley – Most of the ‘wrangling’ over humans that are not here is because of of their missing due to purposefulness, not nature or accident. That is what makes abortion so difficult on all kinds of levels. And when one develops a natural nurturing that comes with life experience, opening of heart or just plain loving, all humankind is precious. So to consider purposefully deleting a human from the planet it’s an unthinkable thing…
FYI – My husband and I practice Natural Family Planning. We used the method to conceive our second daughter. No drugs, no barriers, no artificial anything – and nothing to keep us apart physically, emotionally or spiritually. I give myself fully to him – no holding back anything, including my fertility, and him the same to me.
And you are sure ask how many children we have – and God has graced us with two beautiful girls. This method is scientific – not based on the calendar rhythm method – and it works thru any stage in a woman’s fertility. It even saved me from pre-cancerous cells due to my hormone exposure with the pill and my mother’s DES use, as I noticed that there was an irregularity that got me into the Doctor’s office…
When my husband had a spiritual awakening and wanted to switch to NFP, I was very afraid and hesitant – but my love for him and his well-being allowed me to open my heart to this method, and I am so grateful. I never thought that my mind could have accepted this natural method, or that we could have grown closer.
There are very good ways to naturally plan one’s family, without the risks of hormones (and I just learned of a young woman in her 20’s who now is a candidate for lung transplant due to her hormone exposure from the pill causing blood clots in her lungs).
So much for medical progress re: hormones.
And – oh by the way – I love sexual intimacy with my husband too.
Well I guess it’s up to me to make this HUGE point…
Most fertilized eggs do not implant themselves under normal circumstances. Most fertilized eggs are flushed out of a woman’s body during that wonderful monthly visit by Aunt Flow. These are fertilized eggs and yet there they lay on the maxi pad which is discarded. How is blocking implantation any different?
In Ashley’s defense, at the stage where implantation takes place “or doesn’t” it IS just a tiny clump of human cells.
Ashley, I too have a hard time keeping my religious views, “or lack thereof” out of my comments. These people simply refuse to admit that the entire “Pro-Life” argument is based on Christian morals and principles like the sanctity of life speech or the one more soul in heaven speech. The biggest problem Anti-choice group’s face is themselves. They all disagree with each other about when life starts, the incest and rape debate, and what tactics are beyond the pale for each group. They have no solidarity. Where as the Pro-Choice side all feel the same way, it’s not a baby, it’s not murder, it’s a woman’s choice, its freedom, and it’s very AMERICAN!!!
Having choices IS the American way!
Hi Biggz,
There is no such thing as a fertilized egg.
Sorry, I don’t want to talk with you about Aunt Flow and maxi pads. Gah. Put your wife on.
“anti-contraception people” Bwahahahahahaha
Here is a website for you of secular prolifers BUT you already know that there are secular prolifers cause we tell you that all the time.
http://www.secularprolife.org
Carla – Like I said secular or not they won’t admit that the entire argument is based on religious concepts whether they go to church or not. They may say they are secular but they are not true atheists as they cannot shed the religious ideals they grew up with in this Christian dominated country. A true atheist doesn’t believe in the “sanctity of life” we believe life is a wonderful thing but not sacred.
Biggz,
What do you think concepts like thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal are based on? Is the killing of any and all humans alright with you? If not, tell me what concept you base this on.
For those of you that can’t see the difference between the natural act of dying and the unnatural act of murder, why do we send people to jail? I mean, sure Jeffrey Dahmer murdered and mutilated men, but thousands of people die of heart attacks every day and no one is in jail for that! And those people were going to die anyway!
By the way, NFP couples have much more and BETTER sex than their fornicating, contracepting counterparts that are terrified of their act acheiving its emotional or physical purpose. They also divorce less than 2% of the time unlike the 50% of couples that don’t want to be truly vulnerable with their partner. Hormonal contraceptive jack with libido, too, if they don’t give you a blood clot or a stroke.
I don’t talk to pro-aborts because it’s infuriating. The combo of evil AND stupid drives me crazy. Stupid I can handle. Evil and intelligent, bring it on. But people saying there is no difference between a natural death and killing someone and are stupid enough to be serious about it…
I’m done. I have no hope for any of you.
I asked my boyfriend if he would like me better if I kept pushing out babies and/or abstained from sex altogether. He said no.
Ashley you have just proved that you don’t have the faintest idea of what natural family planning is all about. It certainly does not involve pushing out babies all the time or completely abstaining from sex. Why don’t you try thinking before you write? It would save us all a lot of trouble.
Jill, mods, someone, how do you get the editing function to work? Nothing happens when I click on “Edit this.”
By the way, Ashley, nothing in the article you linked to says that atheist have the lowest divorce rate of any religious or non-religious group. It says they have a “relatively low” rate (they tie with Catholics).
One reason that some religious groups have higher divorce rates is also suggested in the article. More and more people in the population at large are no longer bothering to marry, and hence can never be counted in the divorce statistics. But of course you knew that, right?
I think a lot of fundies are just jealous of people like us, since we don’t have massive hang-ups and all kinds of bizarre religious restrictions that would keep us from enjoying sex.
Yes, Ashley, that must be it. I know I am personally uber-jealous of your constant need to broadcast that you are sexing it up with your BF (no insecurity there, I’m sure!) and of your need to label those who have sex with their spouses (not always to make babies, though it’s fun either way) “bizarre” with “hang-ups.”
I’m so jealous, I can hardly stand it. I wish I’d been in a horrid relationship which led me to kill my offspring just to get away from the guy who treated me like dirt, though I continued to sleep with him. I mean, what’s not to be jealous about?
Ashley, I seem to recall that you have said that you believe that this guy you are with now is the one you want to have babies with someday. Let’s just hope he’s on that page with you. After all, you’ve just reported that he doesn’t seem to care much for your baby-making capacity.
Let’s just hope he continues to like you when your birth-control fails (as it’s quite likely to do someday), and that he doesn’t walk out on you instead, because you are not quite so attractive to him pregnant, and playing house without commitment is no longer quite as fun when there’s a baby on the way. The mere enjoyment you keep talking about is no substitute for real intimacy, maturity and self-sacrificing love.
In other words, I just hope you know what you are doing, because you are playing with fire.
(by the way, thanks to whoever cleaned up my post!)
“In other words, I just hope you know what you are doing, because you are playing with fire.”
Some do not play with fire. Some are the fire.
“I didn’t ruin my life in order to become a single mother”
I didn’t ruin my life in order to become a single mother either Ashley. I have a great life with it’s ups and downs like most others.
There is one little difference between our stories though. I guess he’s not so little any more. He runs about 190 pounds now.
Peace.
I am like many pro-life people who understand that life begins at conception. When you go to sleep after having the intercourse during which you conceived, you are no longer alone and will share space for approximately nine months. The IUD is a dangerous, barbaric device that causes women to have painful complications. It scrapes the uterus and destroys a pregnancy. All the verbal acrobatics you want to do to make women only a little bit pregnant are futile. The fact is life begins at conception. Everything that makes you you was set into motion as soon as the sperm fertilized the egg. The flame of life is lit and shall continue without interruption. IUD’s are murderous, as are chemicals, pllls, D & C’s, and all other forms of elective abortion throughout the pregnancy. Abortion will lose in the end. The human race is adaptive and resilient. We will eventually heal from this social disease you call choice.
The combo of evil AND stupid drives me crazy.
Well — I don’t think prochoicers are necessarily evil, but I agree with the sentiment.. I come to this board to converse with fellow prolifers. I don’t care about other peoples’ sex lives or whether or not they use contraception, etc. (back when I was growing up, in ye olde seventies, sex was considered a private matter. I don’t know why people feel they should advertise their sex lives on a public board. Rather poor taste). I don’t want to “control” anyone else’s body. I don’t protest or picket, I’m not the confrontational type. My goal is to help women who want to have their babies do so.
I don’t know why Jill allows proaborts to come here, but it’s her blog.
BTW, my son found a job! It doesn’t pay much but it’s something.
“It says a lot when antis start wishing a break-up on me.”
Ashley you appear to have very poor reading comprehension skills. I specifically said “I hope your boyfriend continues to like you,” which means I hope you do NOT break up. I wrote what I did because believe it or not, I do care about you. I’m glad to hear that you and your boyfriend have discussed the possibility of pregnancy and will keep the baby.
I’m sorry if you think I’m prying, but you brought the whole thing up – you do it almost obsessively. You are so anxious to score points off the “antis” that you push yourself into the opposite corner, sounding like a supporter of sexual irresponsibility. I know very well that most of what you say is bluster and you do care deeply about your relationship.
But you conceal this most of the time by your sneering attitude. If you changed your tone and expressed your thoughts honestly and without the wild need for self-justification, and scoring points off others, people might actually understand your meaning better.
Ashley, you wouldn’t be in a “fundie” marriage. You aren’t a “fundie”, remember? You could be in a Catholic marriage, or if you like, an atheist marriage, which according to you, have the lowest divorce rates of all.
Hi Lori, I cleaned up your post. We’ve had some errors. The suggestion has been made that perhaps you might have been using Word and posting your comment from there into the field? I don’t know if that’s the case or why all that strange script popped up, but we have been told that it isn’t an error related to the site switchover. Please email me (email under “Team”) if it continues to happen. Thanks!
It says a lot when antis start wishing a break-up on me. I’ve also had antis wish miscarriages and stillbirths on me.
First of all, that’s horrible if it’s true. However, no one here wished a breakup on you. And why would we want the deaths of more “baybeez” (as you call them)? And furthermore, why would you care about a “couple of cells” (your words) anyway? Or is the difference really between a pregnancy which is deemed wanted and one deemed unwanted at that moment?
When I say I don’t regret having an abortion because, for starters, I didn’t ruin my life in order to become a single mother with no college degree
My mom was a single mother with no college degree, and she supported me just fine (with zero help from my father, who walked out on his marriage). (See? Life can sometimes just happen to you, and there are no guarantees, with or without a college degree…) She’s the strongest woman I know. She’s got a great job for which she worked very hard and has been there for more than 20 years now. But, I guess her life is ruined. I’ll be sure to let her know.
and now I’m free to have a family with someone I actually want
So, you didn’t “want” the guy you were with when you got pregnant (though you were sleeping with him) and then you didn’t “want” the child you conceived with him. There it is, that “I want” factor…
I know you think all women who aren’t willing to ruin their lives for an unwanted pregnancy need to be punished, which is why you start wishing breakups and miscarriages on them.
I’ve rejoiced with many unmarried friends who have welcomed “unplanned” babies into this world. I’ve also grieved with friends who have found themselves in awful health situations due to their decision to have sex outside of marriage. But I’m so glad you have a crystal ball and can know for a fact that having your child would have ruined your life. To me, you sound pretty ruined already. You’ve grown more and more bitter over time on this blog. More angry. More hate-filled. Continuing to bash the “antis” and “Christofascists” won’t help you to heal emotionally. (What exactly are we “anti-” again? Oh, that’s right. We’re anti-killing preborn children. Lest anyone forget.)
My mom was a single mother with no college degree, and she supported me just fine (with zero help from my father, who walked out on his marriage). (See? Life can sometimes just happen to you, and there are no guarantees, with or without a college degree…)
Kel, you and your mother sound like strong, courageous women. I get tired of people demonizing single moms. Some do very well and turn out great kids.
And you’re right — just because someone doesn’t have a college degree doesn’t mean their life is going to be terrible. And just because someone has one doesn’t mean their life is going to be perfect. Look at me — I’m an Ivy League graduate and I’m about to lose my home.
I’ve rejoiced with many unmarried friends who have welcomed “unplanned” babies into this world.
I’ve explained the situation with my son and his silly girlfriend. He’s a high school dropout, and she’s not the sharpest pencil in the box. But they’re having a child, my grandchild, and I’m going to help them as much as I can, as is the girl’s grandmother (not her racist mom and dad, sadly). Between the two of us, I am confident this child will at least have a decent start in life.
Thanks, Phillymiss. :) I wish you great joy with your grandchild. The family of your son’s girlfriend will be missing out, big time.
Hi Kel,
Well thanks to you personally! Yes, I foolishly made the mistake of briefly pasting a portion of the text into Word to get rid of the unwanted italicizing that was there, only to get a whole new problem (some sites have no problem with you pasting from Word, I didn’t know about this one, because I hadn’t tried it before here).
Any suggestions as to why the editing function won’t work for some people? I know that others have the same problem. Could it be the browser? I use Firefox. I’ve tried Internet Exlorer, but that gives me huge problems even reading anything here.
Oh, well, I just saw where to e-mail. I’ll go there.
Can’t find your e-mail up there Kel. Unless Kel is short for Kelli?
Kel is indeed short for Kelli, Lori.
And I mean they’re the same person… not just trying to be snarky…
Bobby, thanks. I believe there was someone here posting under the name of Kelli, so I was confused.
Biggz “Where as the Pro-Choice side all feel the same way”…. Umm, no you don’t! Only half of pro-aborts say that abortion should be legal under ALL circumstances (age, quantity, gestation, etc), the rest are obviously uncomfortable with either late-term abortions, multiple abortions, selective (sex, disability, etc) abortions and so on. You’re not as united as you think you are.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx
Phillymiss, I will pray for your son and his girlfriend. You will be an awesome Grandma. I know you will do everything to give their baby a great start.
Kel your mom sounds alot like my mother-in-law.
My husband’s mom was a great single mom who was abandoned by her husband when they divorced because he did not want to pay child support, (in the days before they garnished wages from deadbeat dads). My husband is an AWESOME dad because of what he was taught by his praying mom and because he was determined to break the curse of divorce and “fatherless children” in his family. He is a role model for my children of what a “real man” is like and that “real men are prolife”, who take responsibility for any child they father. My mother-in-law was so proud of him before she went to heaven. His dad was such a stupid, jerk he never got to know what a great man his son was, too busy trying not to pay up. Oh well it was his loss. My husband did not let it make him bitter but let it make him better.
I also totally agree with you phillymiss too much information on this blog about people’s sex lives. Both of us are from the generation that considers people’s sex lives a private matter.
I see you still have lots of anger issues Ashley, still embracing the hate of the Dead Babies R Us crowd. I am still praying for you to get the help you need. How sad.
Bigzz, I won’ t bother to waste my time but I will pray for you as well.
This is just plain ludicrous.There is no such thing as a pill which causes an abortion.
An abortion is the surgical removal of a partially formed fetus. To call using a pill”murdering a baby” is not only ridiculous but insane.
A cell ,or a couple of cells is not a “baby”. To call using a pill murder makes about as much sense as saying that some one who makes a death threat has actually committed murder.
Sheesh almighty !
Robert – oh yes there is! Our local Planned Parenthood offers ‘medical’ abortions, a two drug regimen that first makes the placenta fail, choking off nutrients/oxygen to the baby and the baby dies and the second helps the uterus contract so that the baby, placenta and lining are expelled. In essence – a forced miscarriage (AKA abortion).
And any hormonal contraception can cause an early chemical abortion – since the 3 ways hormones in contraception work are: 1. help stop ovulation 2. make the cervical mucous thick so the sperm have a harder time moving into the uterus and fallopian tubes, and 3. change the uterine lining so a baby can not implant.
It’s the third way that makes an abortion possible – since the child existed and yet it’s environment destroyed so it can not thrive and live.
so in a nutshell – if the pre-born human is alive before and dead after – purposefully – then it is death purposely – and that is why pro-lifers call it murder.
So can a pill cause an abortion? The answer is yes and Planned Parenthood and other providers make money doing it.
Bobby, thanks. I believe there was someone here posting under the name of Kelli, so I was confused.
I’m sorry, Lori, I should have been more specific. Yes, that’s me. I go by “Kel” on these boards when I post.
This is just plain ludicrous.There is no such thing as a pill which causes an abortion. An abortion is the surgical removal of a partially formed fetus. To call using a pill”murdering a baby” is not only ridiculous but insane.
Robert, I’m afraid your ignorance is showing. RU-486 should be well known to you. It’s been the subject of “telemed abortion” posts (now offered by PPs in IA and soon across the country). You might want to rethink your definition of abortion as “the surgical removal of a partially formed fetus.” They’re called chemical abortions for a reason.
Phillymiss – Yea your right, This blog should be just one big echo chamber, a Christian fish bowl for all the seriously misguided anti-choicers to dunk their heads in… or you could just watch FOX news…. There is a reason you only see that moron Lila Rose on FOX…
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Robert – oh yes there is! Our local Planned Parenthood offers ‘medical’ abortions, a two drug regimen that first makes the placenta fail, choking off nutrients/oxygen to the baby and the baby dies and the second helps the uterus contract so that the baby, placenta and lining are expelled. In essence – a forced miscarriage (AKA abortion).
Yes you would be inducing a natural event, a miscarriage. It happens all the time under normal circumstances, just like birth it’s a natural possible outcome to any pregnancy. If you can induce a birth why can you not induce a miscarriage? If your pregnant that’s the fence you’re sitting on and you’re going to fall onto one side or the other, birth or miscarriage. If it’s ok to medically nudge one way why not the other?
Oh and yes Thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal are Jewish/Christian concepts that even they do not follow. I have no interest in taking direction on how to live life from a burning bush or the mystical voice that set it on fire…. Death, killing, and murder are a necessary part of nature and are more natural than anything Jesus said.
The US Constitution is a social contract we all agree to up hold by living in America. It holds far more weight than any other law in this country “Christian or Muslim” You are trying to place your morals and belief system “corrupt as it is” on the rest of us.
What’s next, a law that’s says no federal funding for medical expenses of any type for gays because it’s a mortal sin to Catholics? We don’t care about your SINS or your fear of spiritual repercussions.
“Abortion is a mortal sin for any catholic…” So pay your taxes like every other American and then go to confession and get forgiven? Your guilt is not our problem but your effort to dictate to everyone else how AMERICAN “not Christian” TAX DOLLARS are spent on someone else’s healthcare is everyone’s problem.
Abortion is legal and it’s nobody’s business who has one performed. If we single out abortion as a procedure that isn’t healthcare then you take away the right to privacy for any woman who chooses or needs to have this type of procedure. We can make them all wear big red A’s on their bellies so we all know who the whores are…. That’s a good tried and true Christian solution. This all comes down to a religious debate as proven by the types of things that are yelled at clinics. These women are called whores and sluts “Christians get out your big red A’s” as well as murderers and sinners… The very concept of a woman being a Slut or a Whore is a Christian concept and I think murderers and sinners speaks for itself.
There is a separation of church and state in this country for a reason, to protect the rest of us from your personal beliefs being imposed as law.
I will say it one more time…
It’s not a Baby, it’s a Fetus.
Abortion or induced Miscarriages are legal and so is the right to privacy with your medical decisions.
The Pro-choice movement is not trying to force anyone into anything. We are trying to keep all options open so every individual can decide what’s best for themselves and their family.
You guys need to keep your noses solely in decisions regarding your own life and families and stop trying to limit everyone else’s freedom just because you disagree with their decision. You see it’s not about who’s right or wrong, it’s about the freedom we should all have to make our own decisions under the laws of this country and not your bible.
Biggz – One should never medically ‘nudge’ toward death – plain and simple. The original Hippocratic oath that doctors take had ‘do no harm’ and promised not to induce an abortion.
I think it’s interesting that you would make ‘nothing’ out of something so important and pivotal.
And ‘Pro-Choice’ is much more slanted toward pro-abortion than not.
Would you consider having a woman not choose abortion if: She did not want to lose her figure? Run track? Not let her parent know she was sexually active? Not lose a volleyball scholarship (which BTW, the NCAA protects due to pregnancy)? Play basketball? She already had a child? Had no children? was too old? Too young? Had an education? not had an education? Had a job? Did not have a job? Was on aid? Wasn’t on aid? Did not like her boyfriend? Could not decide if she liked boys? Did not want to crimp her lifestyle? Maybe the baby was not perfect because she conceived while on the pill? Wanted a boy instead of a girl?
The list could go on and on.
We say both lives are worth protecting, and the problems a woman has can be tackled without taking a life. Truly, humankind is more inventive, loving and able to tackle life’s problems without the violence of abortion.
We do it all the time – with help with rent, food, clothes, furniture, services, diapers and other things. Mostly women need to know that they have value – for themselves, and that they are capable to handle what life throws at them – including motherhood.
We aren’t limiting freedom. Just try that one on my friend who had no natural children due to her abortion history. She had no freedom to have her own natural child after her choice. Hopefully, you do not consider her child or her life as collateral damage for the abortion cause.
If you truly want all choices for women – why not limit the destructive choice – abortion? It only restricts women in more ways than you can imagine. Just ask my friends.
Phillymiss, congratulations on your grandchild!
Ashley, discussed my sex life here to refute Robert’s assertion that Christians are repressed:
https://www.jillstanek.com/2010/08/proliferations-8-10-10/comment-page-1/#comment-264725
Just dispelling the myths. My husband and I have a wonderful sex life within a Christian marriage. Neither of us feel repressed or unduly constrained by our exclusive relationship.