Jivin J’s Life Links 9-29-10
by JivinJ, host of the blog, JivinJehoshaphat
- Elementary students at a Catholic school in southern IL raised $800 for a local pregnancy network. The 3rd-graders raised the most so they got to lead a Walk for Life.
- Ross Douthat points out that abortion fits perfectly in one op-ed writers criteria for a moral evil that future generations will condemn:
In the spirit of such self-congratulation, I would (predictably) nominate abortion as a presently-tolerated evil that will one day be generally deplored.
After all, it fits Appiah’s rubrics pretty neatly: The moral arguments against the practice are well known, its defenders are increasingly likely to defend the social necessity of abortion rights (often along “women’s equality depends on legal abortion” lines) and the impracticality of an outright ban than they are to defend the justice of abortion itself, and the pro-life movement spends a great deal of time trying to confront Americans with the physical realities of abortion, whether via ultrasound images or grisly photos of fetuses held up at protest marches.
- President Obama recently answered questions about abortion and his faith at a town-hall style meeting:The same questioner also asked Obama about regulations on early and late-term abortion, a politically charged issue in the abortion debate.
Obama responded that abortion should be “safe, legal and rare” in America, adding that families – not the government – “should be the ones making the decision.”
Restrictions against late-term abortion are in place now, he said, adding that “people still argue and disagree about it. That’s part of our Democratic tradition.”
- Abortionist Stephen Brigham has denied any wrongdoing in his practice of beginning late-term abortions in NJ, leading caravans of women to MD and then finishing the abortion or having another abortionist finish it:The Attorney General’s Office contends Brigham “flagrantly” disregarded the state’s medical rules and jeopardized patients by providing abortions to women who were more than 14 weeks pregnant. The state asserts Brigham’s office and his qualifications do not meet the standards required for such 2nd- and 3rd-trimester abortions.Joseph Gorrell, Brigham’s attorney, said the doctor had done nothing wrong. “Everything he did complied with applicable law and was in conformance with accepted standards of medical practice,” said Gorrell.
The dispute is to go before the state Board of Medical Examiners on Oct. 13. Brigham has voluntarily stopped practicing medicine in NJ until then.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Obama responded that abortion should be “safe, legal and rare” in America, adding that families – not the government – “should be the ones making the decision.”
How convenient. He doesn’t mind the government making all the other decisions in peoples lives, just this one.
Obama is a lying, two-faced jerk. I voted for the guy, too. I didn’t like Dubya, but at least he stuck to his guns. And, to be honest, that’s something I think is pretty cool about Palin, in a way. Obama is skeevy and horrible. *shudders*
How convenient. He doesn’t mind the government making all the other decisions in peoples lives, just this one.
And many abortion supporters don’t mind the government paying for this “family decision” either.
I’m always impressed by how soulfully and gracefully President Obama talks about his faith. He just has this serenity about him that I find really relaxing and reassuring, so that even when I don’t like what he does politically I still know that he’s a good man with good intentions at heart.
Hey, Joan, can I get a little of what ever you are smoking or drinking?
Here is a great and short article about teh absurdity of Obama’s claims.
http://lti-blog.blogspot.com/2010/09/morally-untutored-president-scott.html
Hal, I’m almost positive that “criticize ideas” is vis a vis other commenters.
But nothing about Obama is genuine. He is absolutely ridiculous. He talks out of both sides of his mouth, he’s getting our country in deeper financial trouble, he has NO IDEA what the hell he’s doing, he’s just ridiculous. And really, I’m just stating facts. The guy lies like a rug.
Jill! Talk about that Douthat article. It’s amazing!
Obama is absolutely right.Abortion should be “safe,legal and rare”. But unfortunattely,if the USS government is foolish enough to make abortion illegal again,it will be unsafe,illegal,and common.
Oops.I put an extra S on US. America is not a ship. But it will definitely sink if abortion ever becomes illegal again here.
“Oops.I put an extra S on US. America is not a ship. But it will definitely sink if abortion ever becomes illegal again here.”
LOL, nice. Very cool turning a typo into a pun!
Robert, was America “sinking” when abortion was illegal?
Abortion is NOT rare, Robert. There are over ONE MILLION surgical abortions performed every year. Many women are pressured into abortion or think its their ONLY choice. Some testimonies of those who regret their abortions say if it hadn’t been legal, they wouldn’t have aborted.
One million isn’t really that many. The yearly number of pregnancies carried to term is much higher than the number of terminated pregnancies.
One million isn’t really that many. The yearly number of pregnancies carried to term is much higher than the number of terminated pregnancies.
Wow.
And that’s not “serenity” with Obama, it’s blunted effect.
a million people MURDERED, gone from this life are “not that many”, Joan??? …wow.
joan, “one million isn’t really that many’? Wow! I cannot imagine that the babies being mutilated and dismembered are fine with being “the few chosen” for such a dubious honor. With logic like this the Jews who didn’t get sent to the gas chamber and the Blacks who missed getting lynched by the KKK should be really grateful. Thank you for clearing that up.
I’m not going to indulge this fantasy here where abortion is “murder”, sorry. It’s just nonsensical and ridiculous.
I can’t believe I’m about to feed such an obvious troll, but just to clear it up for other readers.
There are roughly 4M births in the US each year…..so 1/5 of all pregnancies end in abortion. You don’t think that’s a lot? Talk about fantasy.
joan
September 29th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
I’m not going to indulge this fantasy here where abortion is “murder”, sorry. It’s just nonsensical and ridiculous.
Please, get your head out of the sand (that’s what ostriches do when they sense danger and I think in a lot of ways that’s what people do when they don’t want to face the facts of what abortion is).
It’s not a fantasy that life is ended with abortion. If you haven’t seen the pictures, I recommend it.
We’re all a bunch of cells formed in unique formations–even those of us who are born and adults. Everybody starts somewhere and that somewhere is when your mother’s egg and father’s sperm joined together to form you, a unique (one-of-a-kind) human being. You were always you from the beginning–your own DNA. (Some information on pre-natal development found here: http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/development/prenataldevelopment.shtml ). First trimester ultrasound pictures: http://pregnancy.about.com/od/fetus/ig/First-Trimester-US-Gallery/ Ten Weeks 3-D ultrasound pciture (not mine): http://www.layyous.com/ultasound/DF_18.jpg
Abortion ends this development, but the pre-born baby simply doesn’t disappear. Since the pre-born baby can’t survive outside the uterus until a certain amount of time has gone by, the baby’s life ends, thus aborting (ending) the pregnancy.
THAT’S what abortion is. And willfully ending a life is murder. Since abortion is the willful end of a pregnancy–a life–then it stands to reason that abortion is murder.
All that is NOT fantasy. All that is reality.
Has anyone noticed how many trolls are out and swarming in the last month or so? Seriously… what happened?!? Did a bunch of troll eggs hatch without us knowing?
Standard troll lead-in: wait for someone to decry a horror (or someone who supports it), and then respond with something like, “What a wonderful idea/person; I’m glad such a thing/person is around, and I think it’s beautiful.”
(*sigh*) Okay, the troll list is now, what? Nick, cranium, Biggz, Joan… whom am I missing?
A couple of them are old trolls from days gone by, Paladin.
At times it seems like trolls are coming out of the woodwork but we find that they just use a bunch of different monikers to make it seem like they are all that. :)
They just can’t seem to keep themselves away.
They just can’t seem to keep themselves away.
Is it any wonder? A few have been very successful in wasting huge amounts of other commenters’ time and disrupting conversation among prolifers. They know they won’t change any minds here, but they can divert our energies in less productive directions when we feed them, even when we feed them with the best of intentions. They won’t crawl back under their bridges until we stop throwing them such tasty kibble. Just my two cents worth.
Joan:
“One million isn’t really that many.”
Reminds me of Senator Everett Dirksen’s quip that “a billion here and a billion there and pretty soon we are talking about real money.”
Sorry, Joan, in matters of life and death a million is huge. 50 million (the number of surgical abortion since 1973) is even bigger. But even if a person considers the million ”just fetuses” they were still in fact tiny human lives that will not live to see the light of day. Any intelligent reasonable adult knows that they too were once a tiny fetus.
We of course know that these fetuses are unborn babies, but pro-aborts such as yourself have to find a way to justify “choice”. The most often used method is to pretend that unborn babies are something less than a real human person.
When abortion is finally condemned in the future as a crime against humanity the biggest question will be how it was that so many people could be deceived for so many years. I think any analysis has to begin with academia, with the main stream media failing to do their job in exposing the truth of abortion in its utter brutality coming in as a close second. These laid the groundwork that enabled an activist court (that even liberal critics recognize as overreaching) to issue their Roe and Doe decisions. Finally the fourth leg is a spineless legislature kowtowing to special interest groups. For society at large to accept pro-abortion propaganda a combination of two or three of the above is all it takes.
Slowly but surely the abortion monolith is being derailed. With recent polls showing the majority of Americans aligning themselves with the pro-life side and with abortion rights activists even admitting now that human life is being destroyed in an abortion (as opposed to the old lie about the unborn child being just a “blob of issue”) and with the rise of the internet starting to overcome the lies of tenured pro-abort professors and liberal activist main stream media outlets great strides are being made.
Someone once said “the truth shall set you free” and that is exactly what is happening as pro-life gains ascendancy. Anyway, glad you are here.
Fed up – too true! Joan is a pure troll, so I have no excuse for myself this time. But as a former pro-choicer who (to my great embarrassment) used to spout off this kind of nonsense (not Joan level nonsense, but Cranium/Biggz level), I know that you never can tell how your words will impact people maybe years down the road. I’m sure a lot of people felt like they were beating their heads against a brick wall with me. When you’re very committed to an idea it takes a long time and a lot of humility to come around and admit to yourself that you were wrong. And though I see now that my arguments couldn’t stand up, at the time I honestly believed them. In fact, there’s a period of increased viciousness when you start to realize that you don’t have a good argument. So I think there can be a benefit to engaging trolls on a limited basis if for no other reason than to show the fallacy of their thinking to others who may be passing through and not commenting. But I completely agree that there comes a point beyond which we MUST stop feeding the trolls. :-)
Bobby, the link at your 2:17 comment is an awesome article! Short, sweet, makes all the right points.
CT, Amen. I shudder to think of the things I said to people when I was pro-choice. Although I have been trying to undo the damage, I have to live with my part in the holocaust of children. That is one of the reasons I got off the couch and started getting active in the pro-life cause. I turned slowly to pro-life, but when the last bit of turn occurred, it was like baking bread: I can never be turned back into flour. Of course the atheists hate similies, metaphors, comparisons, and most especially PARABLES but we see their value!. Beware the leaven of the pro-choicers, lol!
After my abortion I tried to talk my sister and my sister in law into having abortions.
Good Lord.
I now have two amazing nephews who are in their teens!!
“The yearly number of pregnancies carried to term is much higher than the number of terminated pregnancies.”
Thank God for that fact, Joan.
By the way, if “a million” unborn killed by the abortion industry ”isn’t that many”…
How much more unborn lives will it take to consider the number “many”??