Weekend question: Should pro-lifers buy Tiller’s abortion mill?
Normally I’m all for pro-lifers buying abandoned abortion mills and converting them into pregnancy care centers, right to life offices, or abortion holocaust memorials.
But this time I’m not so sure, since the owner of this particular infamous mill was murdered by a misguided person calling himself pro-life.
Thoughts?
Interesting info in this Associated Press article. I’m not surprised George Tiller’s widow Jeanne apparently doesn’t want pro-lifers to buy the mill, but I am surprised she apparently doesn’t want another abortionist to either. I can’t imagine who else would want to purchase a building with such a despicable history….
A “for sale” sign posted outside a medical clinic formerly operated by murdered abortion provider Dr. George Tiller prompted some abortion opponents Thursday to discuss trying to buy the facility.
Tiller was among the few late-term abortion providers in the US before he was fatally shot in his church in May 2009 by anti-abortion activist Scott Roeder, who is serving a life prison sentence. The Wichita clinic hadn’t reopened after Tiller’s death.
David Gittrich, a leader with Kansans for Life, sent fellow members of the anti-abortion group an e-mail informing them of the sign. He suggested turning the site into a memorial for “the babies who lost their lives.”
He suggested a similar plan in an interview, saying he doubts that another doctor could manage an abortion practice in such a large clinic. Property tax records show the building with almost 8,800 square feet….
Dr. LeRoy Carhart, a NE abortion provider and a friend of Tiller, said he approached Tiller’s widow, Jeanne, about taking over the clinic shortly after her husband’s death. Carhart said she told him she wanted a stipulation in the sales contract that it couldn’t be used for abortions.
“That’s one of the reasons why we didn’t go there,” Carhart said, but acknowledged that he didn’t know whether she still wanted to impose the condition….
County tax records available online list the clinic’s appraised value as $734,100….
The agent listing the property did not return messages left on his cell phone….
Troy Newman, president of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, said he was told the clinic was listed at more than $900,000 when he asked about the price. Newman said he was at first told to submit a bid, but after identifying himself was told he wouldn’t be able to buy it.
Operation Rescue purchased another closed abortion clinic in Wichita in 2006, and remodeled into their national headquarters.
“Who in the world would buy a piece of property with that history?” Newman said. “It is like buying a haunted house.”
Another part of me hopes the Tiller family is unable to sell the property – to make any more profits from abortion. What an anti-testament it would be to abortion if this building with such a truly haunted past were perceived as too cursed to purchase, even for retooling.
On the other hand, razing the building, although likely the most fitting solution, would result in the loss of an important historical structure in the abortion battle, comparable to the Nazi gas chambers.
Obviously, I’m torn on this one.
[Photo via Daily Mail]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
No way. This building is just creepy and we shouldn’t go anywhere near it. Let it be torn down (hopefully). Your point about Scott Roeder is exactly right. Let’s not invite any more terrorist comparisons by taking over the building of the man “pro-lifers” executed. (That’s the pro-abort argument, not mine. Roeder does not represent the pro-life community.)
Tear it down for sure, but I’m not sure what to do with the land.
Like Auschwitz, I think it should be made into a museum in memory of the tens of thousands of preborn babies brutally slaughtered by Tiller’s hand, the 50+ million killed in America since Roe v Wade, and the almost 1 billion preborn children murdered worldwide.
It should include a beautiful area celebrating the beauty of life in the womb.
And it should include a section condemning Tiller’s murder and all abortion related violence.
How evil is the heart of man, to have killed so many precious innocents…
just like they rejected and killed God’s Own Son.
The Good News is that He gave His Life, so that we might be delivered from our sin and rescued from this wicked world.
Jesus loves you so much that He spread out His Arms…
and died…
for you.
You have a choice (God is pro-choice). His Kingdom has come! Jesus Christ is the risen King and Lord of all! You can repent from your sin, for violating the Laws of a Holy God, forsake this cursed, wicked world, make Jesus the Lord of your life and be adopted into God’s family. You’ll become a new person, a child of God, with the blessed hope and assurance of eternal life. And if that wasn’t enough, He gives you His Spirit and Grace with which you can live a life of Love, Joy and Peace, and enjoy victory over sin, the devil and this wicked world.
Don’t die in your sin – choose Life! Call on Jesus to save you today!
Scott Roeder was a former militia member with a history of violence and mental illness who never belonged to any PL group. Had he opened fire on a group of schoolchildren instead of Tiller the MSM wouldn’t have given him the time of day.
BTW, is anyone aware that 5 Detroit summer school children were gunned down by gang members in front of their school around the time Tiller was killed? I didn’t think so.
It should be turned into a museum and used to educate people about the horrors of abortion, just like the camps at Auschwitz teach about the horrors of the Holocaust.
It should be up to Jeanne Tiller and the family. What Roeder did was deplorable. The family should do with it what they wish.
Tear it down and build a park
I’m with you Ed and Suzanne.
I agree, Jill, there’s really no good way to use this building, or even the land. Maybe it could become a puppy mill or something similarly dispicable.
I also agree with Ed and Suzanne.
Buy it, bulldoze it, wipe it clean, have an exorcism done on it, salt the earth, and leave some sort of memorial for the unborn who were murdered there. Aedificium mortis delenda est.
I want to see it turned into another crisis pregnancy center. I also want pro-lifers to go in and document on video the crematorium and other ghastly areas of the clinic so no one will ever forget the bloodshed that happened there. And by acting as if we can’t buy it because Scott Roeder killed Tiller is acting like he was one of us and he wasn’t! So Scott killed George. What does that have to do with us? Nothing.
Sydney – is she simply acting like that because she owns the building? Or does she not own it?
“It should be up to Jeanne Tiller and the family. What Roeder did was deplorable. The family should do with it what they wish.”
how about if they re-open it Vannah to do more abortions?
Great idea Sydney, perhaps like Chattanooga’s Memorial to the Unborn and CPC.
Jeanne Tiller evidently does not wish for any more abortions to happen there.
I think that a park would be a good idea, but, again, it’s up to the family. I’m not going to pretend for a second that I’m happy that this happened- I’m not. His death shouldn’t have happened.
Accept it or not, George Tiller believed that he was doing the right thing. I want peace, not war.
Get the dozer and bring that clinic down.
Then build a CPC or some kind of resource for struggling parents. New buidling = new beginnings.
I’m sorry Tiller was murdered but I find it very ironic that he was a mass murderer who could never be conviected and was killed by someone who probably found it very difficult to pull that trigger knowing that he was killing someone. Both people in Tiller’s murder were guitly of the same thing just in different circumstances.
I vote CPC or something that will help parents grow with their children. Children are blessings!
Forgot to ask: Why would Tiller’s widow not want another abortionist to run the clinic? I’m sure she lived a very good life with all that money that came in from the clinic….is she starting to see that abortion is murder, is she leaning towards the pro-life side?
Alaska Krystal,
I doubt that it’s money. It might be the memories; it might be that she wants out of this debate; it might be that she’s worried that it will happen again. I would never wish harm upon anyone, but from the Tiller family’s side of the fence, pro-lifers don’t look good. The vast majority of pro-lifers are obviously not dangerous, but picture her grief- she sees this differently.
P.S. I’ve always wanted to visit Alaska. Is it beautiful?
I asked my children what they thought about buying a building where abortions used to happen. My soon-to-be ten-year-old said to buy it, knock down the building, and build a playground where children could come to play, make friends, and be happy. The seven and eleven year olds gave their hearty endorsement to the plan.
Tear it down and grow a garden over where it stood. Maybe someday, some time from now, that spot will just be a field of wildflowers and won’t stand for anything else.
Gerard, love love love the playground idea! Reminds me of Norma McCorvey’s conversion when she sat on the empty playground and thought of all the children’s laughter abortion had silenced. She wondered how many playgrounds were empty because the children that should have been playing on them had never been allowed to see the light of day. That gave me chills.
Tearing it down would be like destroying evidence. I’d leave it as it is, with all the equipment and the crematorium intact, and let people see it as Tiller left it. It’s a testament to what abortion really is and what it does to preborn babies. Let people hear the wind blowing through there.
What would have a bigger impact on you: seeing a film of the nazi gas chambers or actually walking through them and seeing them still standing, now empty?
Why wouldn’t Jeanne want it used again as an abortion facility if she sees nothing wrong with abortion? I am proud of my husband’s line of work so why would I object to a future owner of our home continuing to use his workshop as a workshop?
Why would a storeowner’s widow/widower have a problem with another entrepeneur using the place of business to continue the business or starting another similar one?
It doesn’t make sense to me unless Jeanne really did have some moral qualms about her husband’s line of work.
Building a playground is a great idea but I suppose the city zoning board and neighbors may end up having the last say as to what happens to the building, regardless of the owner. The decaying building, if left alone, would certainly symbolize the horror of what took place inside. I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near it myself. Is there a Catholic rite for blessing a building like this? Perhaps it has already been done. That would be my advice. Fr. Frank Pavone would know.
Demolish it. Build a park with a memorial solid enough to withstand pro-abortion vandalism.
Buy it, bulldoze it, wipe it clean, have an exorcism done on it, salt the earth, and leave some sort of memorial for the unborn who were murdered there. Aedificium mortis delenda est.
I agree with this, Paladin!! Let us come and leave flowers in remembrance of the thousands of innocents who have died there and pray to end abortion.
I live down the street from what used to be two abortion clinics. Both were closed after women died from malpractice there. One is now a Girls and Boys Club office; the other is a pediatric dental clinic. It is so very ironic to me that they both serve children. But I have to say I would have serious reservations about working in either one of them, or taking my child to the dentist there. They give me the creeps.
http://prolifeintn.blogspot.com/2010/10/tillers-clinic-for-sale-could-this-be.html
Murdered Kansas abortion doctor’s clinic for sale.
This article caught my eye and I thought who would want to buy it and do business in such an infamous killing place. Then I remembered the remarkable Memorial for the Unborn in Chattanooga, TN. I had the opportunity to visit this place with a post abortive friend. It was a sacred place. She told me the story of her date rape, pregnancy and abortion. Years later she went through post abortion counseling and now works full time in that capacity. She showed me the plaque where she named her child, a boy, and the date of the abortion. She gave his middle name as the man who raped her. She said when she did that she felt a release and ability to forgive the rapist when she did that. Wow!
Read the inspiring story of the Memorial for the Unborn in Chattanooga and how the only abortion mill in that city was closed down due to prayers of the faithful and the Hand of God. Then the story of how the pro life people were able to purchase it and turn it into something beautiful and honoring of those innocents who lost their lives.
Genesis 50:20… You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives. (NIV)
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Ya, it needs an EXORCISM ;-) steam cleaned and Clorox rinse.
I’m up for turning that building into something that helps moms who want to keep their babies.
Superstition about the site really isn’t useful.
We like it when former abortionists become pro-lifers. So what’s wrong with using the building for something good?
Besides, turning Tiller’s Mill into something like a Crisis Pregnancy Center would drive the pro-aborts nutz……… a fun side effect.
God’s people need not fear the EVIL.
I loved the above story by Susie Allen,
Gerald, N. “Out of the mouths of babes. Psm. 8:2. I love it~
Redemption is what God’s extra abundant grace is all about. Thanks, Catherine A.,
Suzanne and Ed
Should pro-lifers buy Tiller’s abortion mill?
I would suggest NO, but the question is pre-mature.
There are other issues that should be resolved first.
Gen 4:10-11 10 And [the Lord] said, What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to Me from the ground.
11 And now you are cursed by reason of the earth, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s [shed] blood from your hand. AMP
Deut 27:24 Cursed is he who slays his neighbor secretly. All the people shall say, Amen. AMP
Tiller’s widow and children have the opportunity to act redemptively in regard to that real estate. They are laboring under a generational curse and part of their liberation will be connected in how and what they do with that land.
Num 35:33 So you shall not pollute the land in which you live; for blood pollutes the land, and no atonement can be made for the land for the blood shed in it, but by the blood of him who shed it. AMP
Even before the ‘law’ was codified it was in effect and it continues to reman in effect even after Jesus’ death satified the demands of the ‘law’.
Jesus ‘satisfied’ the law, but HE did not ‘abolish’ it’s authority and effect.
[Members of the body of Christ are not accountable to the Mosaic Law but we are held to an even higher standard. See Romans 8 below.]
Tiller reaped what he sowed, his chickens came home to roost, his karma caught up with him, etc,.
Rom 8:1-2 1 THEREFORE, [there is] now no condemnation (no adjudging guilty of wrong) for those who are in Christ Jesus.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has freed me from the law of sin and of death.
3 For God has done what the Law could not do, [its power] being weakened by the flesh [the entire nature of man without the Holy Spirit]. Sending His own Son in the guise of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, [God] condemned sin in the flesh [subdued, overcame, deprived it of its power over all who accept that sacrifice], [Lev 7:37.]
4 So that the righteous and just requirement of the Law might be fully met in us
who live [and] walk not after the dictates of the flesh, but after the dictates of the Spirit. [our lives governed not by the standards and according to the dictates of the flesh, but controlled by the Holy Spirit]. AMP
[An oddity in most of the translations of the bible (including the King James) is the passage that is underlined in verse 4 above is moved up to verse starting right after ‘in Christ Jesus’, but it is not that way in the orginal Greek. In so doing it ‘seems’ to place an additional condition on those who are in Christ Jesus.]
Though Tiller may have been forgiven for his sin of shedding innocent blood, the land which was polluted by the work of his hands did not automatically enjoy the same cleansing benefit of Jesus’ blood.
Deut 21:1-9 21:1 IF ONE is found slain in the land which the Lord your God gives you to possess, lying in the field, and it is not known who has killed him,
2 Then your elders and judges shall come forth and measure the distance to the cities around him who is slain.
3 And the city which is nearest to the slain man, the elders of that city shall take a heifer which has never been worked, never pulled in the yoke,
4 And the elders of that city shall bring the heifer down to a valley with running water which is neither plowed nor sown, and shall break the heifer’s neck there in the valley.
5 And the priests, the sons of Levi, shall come near, for the Lord your God has chosen them to minister to Him and to bless in the name [and presence] of the Lord, and by their word shall every controversy and every assault be settled.
6 And all the elders of that city nearest to the slain man shall wash their hands over the heifer whose neck was broken in the valley,
7 And they shall testify, Our hands have not shed this blood, neither have our eyes seen it.
8 Forgive, O Lord, Your people Israel, whom You have redeemed, and do not allow the shedding of innocent blood to be charged to Your people Israel. And the guilt of blood shall be forgiven them.
9 So shall you purge the guilt of innocent blood from among you, when you do what is right in the sight of the Lord. AMP
I am fairly confident the elders/priests/rabbis of Kansas City have not done as the ‘law’ requires.
But it would be difficult for them to claim, especially to GOD, they did not know who was shedding the blood.
The elders/priests/rabbis would first have to acknowledge their own sin; their silent and passive complicity through their complacent and apathetic attitudes.
Prov 26:2 Like the sparrow in her wandering, like the swallow in her flying, so the causeless curse does not alight. [Num 23:8.] AMP
But even a curse that has a justification can be broken.
The blood of Jesus overcomes the power of satan, bu the blood has to be applied before it takes effect.
Read the Passover Story in Exodus.
The scripture does not indicate if any Jews failed to follow the instructions concerning the blood of the Passover lamb and it does not indicate if any non-Jews followed the instructions.
You know a non-Jew like the Ethopeian eunuch or Cornelius the Centurian.
The more immediate question is not what the ‘law’ requires, but what HOLY SPIRIT desires [See Romans 8:4.]
I was having the same thought as Ken. I will pray that the property will not sell. I will also pray that the scales will fall from Jeanne’s eyes, and that she will seek forgiveness for supporting her husband’s blood lust all those years. Perhaps she is already taking the first steps towards that path, if she has refused to sell to another abortionist.
If Jeanne does not sell, she will have the opportunity to do something with the property herself- perhaps donate it or convert it to a life-loving, child celebrating location of some sort- where it will stand as a testimony to God’s grace, even in the face of unspeakable horrors and bloodshed. There is the possibility of redemption for many through the future use of this property.
Jeanne- your past is not your future. You cannot change the past, but you can allow God to use it. Only He brings jewels from our ashes.
It depends on how low the price is.
Say the building is appraised for $150k, the land worth say $50k, and no one wants the nasty place so the price drops to $50k, then maybe. Who owns it anyway?
In today’s market, the price could go really low.
There is probably plenty of vacant medical office space in Wichita that is a heck of a lot nicer.
I bet the owner won’t get a good price for it.
Maybe a veterinarian could use it. It has a crematorium. So the vet could provide the service for pet owners that want to keep a pet’s ashes.
It could be a good deal for a veterinarian.
I agree with Catherine A. That building will always be creepy now and needs to be torn down. A memorial to the pregnant women who were violated and to the violence perpetrated on their babies would be appropriate.
I think it should be done as a both – a memorial showing what happens in an abortuary -especially late abortions but also maybe have an area outside such as a love peace garden where mothers can come to mourn the loss of their babies through abortion.
Why not something noncontroversial like a mosque?
Somehow I doubt Tiller’s widow is having any change of heart by her decisions on what to do or not do with said property. She probably just doesn’t want another abortion clinic opening up as it will just keep her involved in the furor and bad publicity it will bring. She lives a very comfortable life because of the deaths of these babies…in her mansion inside a gated community. I highly doubt she or anyone in that family even needs the $ the place is worth.
Even if it were to be converted to a memorial for the unborn, I don’t think many people would visit it after a while.
Knock the place down and destroy any and all evidence that it ever existed and the horrors that took place inside of it. The sooner the memory of George Tiller is gone, the better.
You might be surprised Mike at how many post abortive women would go to remember their little ones especially around the dates of their abortions.
Henrietta,
LOL I love you!
What is the point of this discussion? It seems to be nothing more than idle speculation. Like it or not, Mrs Tiller will do with this what she wills, so what is to be accomplished by all this talk?
I wouldn’t worry too much about Sending A Bad Message. Obama delcared June to be some sort of gay pride month, in commemoration of the Stonewall Riots. The Stonewall rioters tried to kill people. I guess it’s only terrorism when pro-lifers do it.
We should definitely buy it. What else could send a stronger message than that?
Whoever buys it will do with it as a they wish. All the speculation above is about IF anti-choicers purchase it.
The question could also be asked, what should happen to the church where Tiller was murdered?
I vote for the mosque!
LOL
Cranium, If you are going to call us anti-choicers then at least be specific about the choices that we reject and that you ike to affirm. Next time maybe you could say; “Whoever buys it will do with it as a they wish. All the speculation above is about IF anti-choicers who reject the mutilation of the womb and torture and killing of babies in said wombs purchase it.”
or I could say ‘..is about IF anti-choicers who reject other peoples beliefs and rights in preference to their own on the basis that for some reason they are the arbiters.’
There’s actually a nice little CPC next door already…http://choicesmc.org. They could help maintain any future memorial.
Nick,
What if I said “Killing innocent people is murder” and then some nut-job in prison murders a serial killer? Would I be responsible for the death of that inmate?
Is the church for sale, Cran??
Henrietta,
A mosque. Perfect.
Kieth, thank you for that link to the CPC! They have a page that shows videos of first trimester and second trimester babies in utero. When I showed the 1st trimester one to my 5- and 7-year-olds, they instantly said, “that’s a baby!” :)
Nick, did you forget to take your meds again today?
Nick –
Hey – I’m sure you are quite passionate about your views…you are going to have a hard time finding people willing to actually speak with you and logically debate with you throwing out crazy things like calling all pro-lifers “terrorists”.
You need to remember that there is a big difference between the entire world crawling up your a** and wanting to get rid of them, and you inviting them in and then wanting to get rid of them. Surely you can see that difference.
Nick, then what about late-term abortions? Why can’t they just induce labor to get the baby out early and adopt him out to a nice family. Why should the women be able to have her baby killed at 7 months for instance? If the point is that the baby is in her body and she has the right to “evict” the child then why not just evict the child? Why dismember the child? Why KILL the child intentionally? Whats your view on that?
I said such “bodily domain” arguments are stupid and akin to me having sex with my husband and then shooting him in the head since he is “in” MY body. Being in someone’s body doesn’t mean they have the right to kill you. Some pro-abort (I think Cranium) said its not the same at all because by willingly having sex with my husband I have invited him into my body. Well what about women who willfully get pregnant? They stop taking the pill and have sex with the sole intent of conceiving a baby. Then when the baby is conceived and growing they sometimes change their mind and abort. Is that allowed? After all, these women “invited” the children into their wombs.
The whole argument is absurd to me. It shows the cold calculated mindset of a pro-abort that you truthfully declare that you don’t care when human life begins and that you are okay with murder.
ITA with Ed and Suzanne.
Ed, THANK YOU so much for posting that link to the Chattanooga memorial! I had no idea it existed. What a powerful testimony to the power of God!!!
Jill, THANK YOU so much for this website. I have learned so much here. Kudos to you!
Nick, have you carried a child in your body? I have, more than once. A child is not an organ of the body — s/he is not ‘part of the woman’s body’.
The child has HIS or HER own body — with his own blood type, her own fingerprints, his own DNA, her own personality, etc.
The child is a separate human being. Removing a woman’s gall bladder or appendix is NOTHING like killing an innocent child. To seek to ‘compare’ them is to ‘compare’ apples and automobiles, for there is nothing but contrast there.
Anyone who professes ABORTION IS MURDER is simply speaking truth.
Vannah, with all due respect for you personally, I cannot believe George Tiller thought he was doing the right thing. He was at church when he was shot. It’s very hard for me to believe he never heard the truth in church at some point in his life.