Abortion funding group encourages women to lie to get the money
By Placenta Sandwich at The Abortioneers blog today (bold highlight his/hers):
One thing I have heard, and said myself, in the course of financial counseling is, “If you can’t borrow money for an abortion, can you maybe borrow money by saying that it’s for something else?” Not just for husbands, but also when women (understandably) balk at discussing their situation with parents, friends or neighbors.
So if a woman’s finances are ‘comfortable’ but controlled by her husband, a fund volunteer might ask her to try requesting money for an acceptable but non-routine purchase (for instance to replace an ostensibly worn-out pair of shoes for their child); put her utility money toward the abortion fee and then ask a neighbor for help with an unexpectedly-high gas bill; or in some other way shuffle “allowable” money around.
Sure enough, among a pathetic list of suggestions on how to scrape up money for one’s abortion at the linked National Network of Abortion Funds site, including dropping a class, were these…
Reading the entire list is depressing. It shows just how degrading illicit sex can ultimately become. Pregnant mothers are often abandoned by the men who sexually exploit them, or they need to cover up an affair.
Or they find themselves in such disastrous relationships that they 1) do not want the father of their baby to know they are pregnant; and 2) are fine with killing that father’s baby.
The fact that abortion groups condone lying to get abortions also demonstrates their willingness to help perpetuate prevailing American thought that abortion and those who abort are bad. Ultimately, killing the baby is all that matters.
This is also of personal interest since one of many pot shots morally superior liberals and pro-aborts (see comments) take at me include a reference to my 2004 Illinois Leader column (only available here) making the Biblical case for lying to save lives.
But there’s a big difference. Lying to save lives has historically been heralded. Consider the Underground Railroad, Oskar Schindler, etc.
But lying to kill is always detested.
Case in point.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
That’s disgusting. The worse one is about using a church’s emergency fund. I’m sorry but I don’t think killing an innocent baby is an appropriate use of church money…
There’s one about dropping a class or something about tuition in order to pay for an abortion which makes me wonder: an abortion is more important than one’s education?
The Church fund one disgusted me, too. It seems like suddenly the abortion becomes more important than anything else based on what I’m seeing at that list of reasons.
I tried to go to the Abortioneer’s link, but apparently it’s broken or something?
I am hoping and praying that most churches have some sort of intake process or screening of folks and what the funds are going for. Ours only makes checks out to landlords, utility companies etc. to help with heat or rent. We don’t just hand over 300-500 bucks in cash to strangers and let them walk out the door. It is the church’s responsibility to not allow their funds to be used in such a reprehensible way.
This doesn’t surprise me in the least. Abortion is built on lies and deceit.
Typical liberal mindset:
1. Screw up.
2. Get someone else to pay for it.
I’d actually been reading stories after finding a link on the QotD from the “Abortion Gang” (gosh and golly, these people are just SO mature…) and using it as an appetite suppressant. For example:
“Sonia has 5 kids and her husband was just laid off.
I love my big family…and I love my children too much to have another baby right now.
My husband and I have five children. We love kids and we love having a big family. But when my husband got laid off from his contractor job, having a big family got really hard.
When I found out I was pregnant again, it was terrifying. We love the idea of another child — but we love the children we have too much to add that kind of stress to our family right now.
I’m only working part-time and I couldn’t get maternity leave, so I might not be able to keep my job with another little one. I hated that we had to make this decision, but it turned out that making the decision was the easiest part. Because then we had to find the money to pay for an abortion.
We started taking stuff to the pawn shop: our vacuum cleaner, my wedding ring, our family television, the old desktop computer. When that wasn’t enough, we took my husband’s tools and his drills.
That was the hardest trip. My husband’s been trying to pick up construction work. Without his tools or his drills, there’s hardly anyone who’ll hire him.
Even after all that, we were short on what we needed. But the woman at the clinic gave us the name of an abortion fund.
An abortion fund. Who knew, right?
They gave us what we needed.
And when I broke down on the phone and admitted that we didn’t even have gas money to get to the clinic, they helped us with that, too.
So now I pay the pawn shop every month to keep our things — my wedding ring and my husband’s tools are the only ones we can afford to pay on. And if you miss a month, the payment is doubled from then on. So we’re stuck in this cycle. We’ll be paying for this abortion for a long time.
But the panic is gone. The rest of it, well…we’ll figure it out. We’ll do whatever we have to do to take care of our family.”
They love their big family, and their kids…just not this last one. They have 6 kids in their family, they just scraped up enough money to have their youngest killed. How did killing this child get her husband another job? Especially when they had to hawk his tools to do it? She “might” not get to keep her job with this one? I’d think you’d want to make bloody sure about something before killing your child over it…That last sentence just sounds kinda creepy in the context of the rest of the story. These people have lost their freaking minds.
This is extra creepy for me, considering I’m the oldest of 6 kids, from a poor family, and vividly remember dad being laid off one year when mom was pregnant. I can’t imagine the world without my youngest brother. This story disgusts me.
Mother in Texas, sorry – link fixed. Thanks for the heads up.
Great post Cranky. Yes screw up literally and figuratively. Kind of like the “ram it down your throat” push by the PC crowd no matter the health risk. Note there will be consequences no matter how much they deny it. I know working in healthcare because I have seen golf-ball sized genital warts, know of patients who had to have HPV warts scraped off in patient’s throats, along with Herpes lesions, gonnorhea and chlamydia of the throat and rectal cancer all are not small health risks either.
xalisae,
I have a hard time even believing that story is true. It sounds so preposterous; like it was made up just to substantiate every lame argument the pro-aborts always give for why abortion is “necessary” for some families. Plus the way we’re supposed to understand that it’s not that they didn’t love their new baby, but for the sake of the other children they just had to kill him/her. How insane.
Whether true or fake, it’s a disgusting story that illustrates the warped mindset and logic of the pro-aborts.
I think it might be true, mostly because of how much she reiterates that she loves her kids…trying so hard to rationalize killing the last one. Sad and sick.
While I don’t want to see women aborting for financial reasons any more than you do, what these stories highlight for me is just how desperate these women are. If it’s that hard to scratch up a few hundred bucks for an abortion, I can only imagine the financial pressures that having a child would put on them.
And on the flipside, I’m aware of one couple that wanted to carry to term (they didn’t think they could concieve), but their families wouldn’t help them with childcare–they only offered to help them get an abortion.
Sometimes, there’s just no good choices.
I have seen golf-ball sized genital warts,
Uh, thanks for the disturbing visual! I will remember this when I’m trying to resist that last piece of chocolate cake.
As for the story about the couple having to abort — a pregnancy resource center would have helped them for FREE and they wouldn’t have had to sell anything!
And once again, what about ADOPTION?
I know these abortionists get thousands of dollars for their “work.” They’re not hurting for money; if they are so pro-women, why don’t they donate their “services?”
We’ll be paying for this abortion for a long time.
Yes, you will.
I don’t understand the logic underlying this claim:
The fact that abortion groups condone lying to get abortions also demonstrates their willingness to help perpetuate prevailing American thought that abortion and those who abort are bad.
How is that an example of abortion groups perpetuating the thought that women who have abortions are bad? (To me it reads like they’re suggesting women make do in whatever way works for in the situation they’re in, i.e. those around them thinking that women who have abortions are bad.) Or asked from another angle, since pro-life groups think abortion is bad, does that mean pro-life groups are likely to condone lying about having abortions?
Sorry phillymiss I could not resist the play on words. All the “blob of tissue”, “products of conception”, “sexual freedom of choice” and pro-choice PC crap gets to me sometimes. Seeing this from the otherside gets to me sometimes.
xalisae, I too question the validity of that story. How freaking expensive WAS this woman’s abortion, and where on earth did she go for it? I know firsthand that the going rate for a first-trimester abortion in NYC, high cost of living and all, in a private clinic is $600. If, after pawning wedding rings and tools and a computer and a television and a vacuum cleaner etc, she still just couldn’t HOPE to ever get close to paying for the abortion, then…? I don’t know, it just doesn’t sound quite right to me.
So much lost just to pay for an abortion – you have to wonder how much of that would have been “lost” in having a sixth child. In my admittedly quite limited anecdotal experience, kids tend to get cheaper as you have them – you’ve already got the clothes and the baby gear, and you have maybe a bit less leftovers at dinner every night. Not every kid needs his own bedroom – as someone who lives in a city where space is at a premium, I regularly see families of four or five cramming into 2-bedroom apartments.
She probably could have gotten through the baby’s first year on about what she apparently (allegedly) paid for that abortion – and it would have come as a small but consistent increase rather than one lump sum so she would be less likely to be paying it off for “a long time.” Heck, when you factor in the lost wages from not having tools to work, she probably could have added a sixth child for roughly the amount that she’s paying to keep her stuff at the pawn shop.
Then too, I love the, “My health insurance didn’t have maternity leave so I got an abortion!” part. Why is it never, “My health insurance didn’t have maternity leave so we finally changed this broken system and put an end to that”? Obviously one woman is not going to change the system, but I love how in these stories, abortion is inevitably just seen as a solution when it’s the SYSTEM that is broken, and abortion merely shunts the brokenness off onto the pregnant woman. “Oh, thank you, system, for coercing me into abortion and then allowing me to have one! Thank goodness abortion is available and funds exist to help out with it, otherwise YOU, healthcare system, might have had to make some big changes, instead of me making touch choices!” Meh.
Jill:
Here in Illinois sidewalk counselors regularly talk to women who are claiming rape so that the clinic will check the ‘rape’ box on the form and the abortion will be 100% paid for by medicaid under state funds. Usually they tell the clinilc that they took too many drugs and/or drank too much and woke up to realize that they had been raped at a party.
The proponents of IL version of FOCA once said on a conference call that it is ‘just too hard’ to get the doctors to check the rape box or the maternal health box and that’s why they were pursuing public funding.
Lots of women have figured out how to get the clinic to check the ‘rape box.’ Believe me. There’s even a yelp.com review of the PP on Division and LaSaAlle where a post-abortive mother was complaining about how the clinic treater her impersonally and how she was better than the ghetto young girls who were bragging that it was their repeat visit and that they had figured out how to get free abortions, etc.
You should totally write a blog entry about these yelp reviews of abortion clinics. Talk about sick.
The worse one is about using a church’s emergency fund. I’m sorry but I don’t think killing an innocent baby is an appropriate use of church money…
There are a number of Christian churches that actually have money set aside for helping a woman pay for an abortion. If not an official fund, then the rector’s discretionary fund. Women who approach these churches don’t need to lie.
Jayn,
Yes. These women are desperate.
Women in desperation need help, not abortion.
real Christian churches don’t pay for Abortions. Real christian churches would have a mother’s help fund to help with anything needed during the pregnancy, NOT abortion.
Unemployment is temporary. Dead is not. My dad had just gotten a layoff notice when my mom dropped the bombshell on him that she was pregnant. Though I’m sure that prochoicers really wish Mom had “scraped together” a “scrape” and gotten rid of me in-utero.
It’s just disgusting how the people who make money from women’s fear and despair teach the women to be liars and manipulators in addition to being killers.
Though I’m sure that prochoicers really wish Mom had “scraped together” a “scrape” and gotten rid of me in-utero.
Can’t speak for others, but I don’t wish squat. I wouldn’t have blamed your mother for having an abortion under the circumstances, but I don’t really care that she didn’t. Having you was the choice she wanted (I’m assuming), so as long as she was able to achieve that I’m happy. I don’t give a flying fig what choice women make–abortion, adoption, or motherhood–as long as they are able to attain the one they prefer.
Adoption-a child lives
Motherhood-a child lives
Abortion-a child dies
I give a flying fig that a woman not feel desperate enough to kill her own.
Then too, I love the, “My health insurance didn’t have maternity leave so I got an abortion!” part. Why is it never, “My health insurance didn’t have maternity leave so we finally changed this broken system and put an end to that”? Obviously one woman is not going to change the system, but I love how in these stories, abortion is inevitably just seen as a solution when it’s the SYSTEM that is broken, and abortion merely shunts the brokenness off onto the pregnant woman. “Oh, thank you, system, for coercing me into abortion and then allowing me to have one! Thank goodness abortion is available and funds exist to help out with it, otherwise YOU, healthcare system, might have had to make some big changes, instead of me making touch choices!” Meh.
Alexandra, why weren’t you in Congress when we needed you???
@xalisae , your story reminds me of an anecdote I recently heard (paraphrasing): a woman goes to her doctor to ask for an abortion because having another baby is too expensive. He looks at the the three-year old child in her arms and says, “Why don’t you keep the baby and we’ll just kill this one?”
Ha, Lori! They wouldn’t allow the likes of me in Congress. ;) I don’t necessarily consider that a bad thing…
People who kill for a living don’t mind lying about it.
I was 2mo pregnant when my husband lost his job. We went from making 2000 a month to making nil. Then his unemployment insurance that we had (Thank God) decided to pay extra for all those years kicked in, but it only provided half of our previous income. And that amount fell drastically every 6mo. It took him 2yrs to find a steady job. We had to “tighten our belt” BIG TIME! Drop our cell phones, our cable, our snacks, our soda, our subscriptions and memberships to various organizations and/or forums and online gaming… It was hard giving up all our extras and toys. All we could afford was our house payment, food, and basic utilities. That’s it. And yeah our “existing” kids had to get used to the idea that they couldn’t have everything they WANTED but that having what they NEEDED was enough. It was good for them too! But would all that crap have been worth MURDERING our child to keep? HECK NO! That would be a full out insane level of selfishness!!! “My kids’ barbie and my cell phone is worth more than YOU!” Please!
I got so many suggestive “So what are you gonna do?….. since you’re…. pregnant…. and all….?” and “Have you considered…. abortion?” And it completely boggled me. I would ask them, “That’s an interesting suggestion…. but how would that find DH a job? Would it provide an income? Would it pay the electric or gas bill? How would it actually CHANGE our current situation? Wouldn’t it require almost 1000 bucks we don’t have on top of not actually changing our situation?”
So why abort? If we can do financial gymnastics to figure out how to keep our internet and pay bills, why can’t we do the same for the life of a baby? It really comes down to, what do I care about more? My baby, or my vacation, WOWC, facebook? If it’s the facebook…. (sick) why not give birth for free and be compensated lost work time through an adoption service? There are many many many parents waiting and praying for a child. It’s not at all unusual for them to help with bills and lost work time in addition to paying the full cost of birth. PRC’s are also willing to help a pregnant mother planning adoption as much as they are a mother planning to raise her child. No problem.
Awhile ago I shared the story of my mother’s saline abortion, and how my father later said “we could have kept that baby.” Too late.
Hard times pass, but that unique life is gone for good.