Jivin J’s Life Links 6-15-11
by JivinJ, host of the blog, JivinJehoshaphat
- Alabama will be the next state to have a 20-week ban on abortion. Gov. Robert Bentley has indicated he plans on signing the bill which passed less than 30 minutes before the legislative deadline.
- Final arguments in Indiana’s attempt to defund Planned Parenthood have been submitted to Judge Tanya Walton Pratt. She could make a ruling on the case within the week. PP Indiana also lost a tax credit because of the new law.
- Clarke Forsythe and Donna Harrison have a must-read article in National Review on the unreliability of abortion complication statistics:
The CDC gets its data on the number of abortions from state public-health departments; the reporting is completely voluntary. In contrast to most important health indicators — births, deaths, cancer, HIV, STDs, etc. — there is no national reporting law requiring that abortions or their complications be reported to national health officials or agencies.
Most state abortion-data collection is haphazard and relies on the willingness of abortion providers to share their records voluntarily. Some states, like California — which has a quarter of all abortions annually (300,000) — don’t report at all. CA, NH, and AK haven’t reported their abortion data to the CDC since 1998….
The Guttmacher Institute also obtains data voluntarily from abortion providers…. Typically, when a woman suffers a complication after an abortion, she is simply told to go to the nearest emergency room….
As the abortionist is ignorant of the deaths or complications resulting from the procedure, the abortion provider has no significant data to pass along…. What the abortion provider does not know, Guttmacher cannot know.
- Look, another obviously false/exaggerated story about abortion in Salon. In this one the writer claims to have scammed a CPC into giving her a type of stroller when she never intended to abort. She also claims CPC workers told her to submit to her “psychopath” husband and she supposedly got 3 teens to leave the waiting room at the same time by throwing a fit because they thought the CPC was Planned Parenthood.
The only people who would believe some of the wild exaggerations are avid pro-choicers.
- RH Reality Check recently published an article in which anti-adoption crusader Jessica DelBalzo (pictured left) discusses how she was “euphoric” after her “happy abortion”:
It couldn’t have been more than 5 minutes before one of the assistants helped me to sit up so that I could get dressed. She walked me out into the recovery area, and I unsuccessfully attempted to repress the huge grin that had developed on my face. I felt euphoric….
I felt momentarily guilty when one of the other patients in recovery asked me if I ever stopped smiling, but I quickly reminded myself that it was senseless guilt. After all, smiling is a natural reaction to happiness, and I was happy sitting there. When they released me to go home 15 minutes later, I was gladder still.
I know how far out of our society’s collective comfort zone it is to hear a woman say that she feels happy about her abortion, but I do. My feelings go far beyond the simple relief that many women describe. I am actually grateful for the experience itself and for the fact that, by sharing my story with others, I can be an ambassador for reproductive freedom.
[Photo via prweb.com]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Senseless describes it pretty well, Jessica DelBalzo.
Why is she anti-adoption? What is that about?
Yeah, the Salon article. All of us who work in CPC’s or who have in the past know what a bunch of nonsense that is. Salon must be desperate for articles. period. I guess I could write an article for them about how fairies visited me in the night and left money under my pillow… they’d believe anything!
left a comment but all the author can do is condemn Jill and myself for not addressing HER because she “is a person just like you!” Sucks to not be treated like a person doesn’t it Ms. Carmichael? 53 million children know that just a little bit better than you do.
Jessica DelBalzo, your time will come.
The documentary, “12 and Delaware” documents the deceptive practices of a Florida CPC. What I thought was the piece de resistance was the CPC woman who told a woman who was going into the abortion clinic that she would take all her money out of the bank and give it to this poor Hispanic woman who had six children and didn’t want anymore. What the Hispanic woman got from the zealot were some stuffed toys. There was certainly enough information about deceptive practices of CPC’s to convince NY City to rein in the local CPC’s.
Jessica DelBalzo: “…by sharing my (abortion) story with others, I can be an ambassador for reproductive freedom.”
…but a lousy role model for self-control.
CC,
Might a suggest a little undercover work at CPC’s?
Get the footage and run with it.
CC, Deceptive CPC practices do not justify the killing of 53 million babies in the USA.
Although I wouldn’t do it because I think that it hurts more than it helps. One has to ask themselves the question, “Is it morally wrong to deceive someone in order to try an save a life?” Which is what these deceptive CPC folks are trying to do. I’m not so sure that I believe it is. This is a war to save lives. Is deception ok in war? It happens all the time and is justified! Although, as I said, I wouldn’t do it. Also, I think that abortion rights activists have blown the few instances of deception WAY out of proportion. At least they are trying to save lives and not be deceptive in order to take lives like PP does. Just my thoughts!
Do Crisis Pregnancy Centers refer women to Planned Parenthood? Reason I ask is because the pro-lifers are always saying that Planned Parenthood doesn’t help woman who want to have babies, while the reality is that they refer them to specific organizations and services that do.
Here a few links to articles about deceptive practices at CPC’s.
CC – deceptive? yikes! I just witnessed an ultrasound from a CPC here – professionally done, and beautiful. Before you rant and rave about it being confidential, the woman requesting the ultrasound is a woman we have been helping for years. She requested that I be there with her. I truly love her and her family. We are helping in every way we can, and the professionalism of the staff and medical help is invaluable.
Deceptive? not at all. She got to see her baby’s heartbeat, the child move and get that first glimpse into the womb. Beautiful, just beautiful. You should try it some time. ;)
While there are some things(CPC practices) in that article that I don’t agree with the author manipulates her audience by using terms like “many” in reference to the number of CPC’s that use deceptive practices. Also, the author is clearly coming from a pro-choice viewpoint and therefore uses terminology to make the practices seem deceptive. For example”pulling out pictures of bloody fetus'”. My response to that is SO! If that girl/woman is going to do that to her child then she needs to know exactly what she is choosing. Pro-aborts do her no favors by DECEIVING her by their euphemisms and silence, telling her things like, “getting rid of the pregnancy” and “emptying the contents of the uterus.” These are all word games designed to take away the reality of what is really happening…the fact that she is murdering her child. So, CPC’s tell her the truth of the matter. What’s wrong with that and why are pro-aborts afraid for her to know the truth?
Until you can come back and say that the pro-aborts and the clinics are ALL telling the truth about what is happening, giving the women full disclosure and not hiding behind rhetoric and euphemisms then you guys have no right to complain about any CPC’s deceptive practices seeing how our goal is to save a life and yours/theirs is to destroy one.
CC: I’m no advocate for deceptive practices, but I wonder how many pro-choice zealots would have approved of deceptive practices by abolitionists in the 19th century.
As long as you’d want abolitionists who lie to slaveholders to be “reined in” as well…
“If you are against slavery, fine — don’t own slaves. But stop trying to control other people and their property!”
Trying to help slaves escape to the north, for example, would be strictly forbidden by an ethic of no deception.
Just sayin’.
I couldn’t go to the RH Reality Check website. It said access denied (never heard of that happening on a website before) and I haven’t exactly been there very often (if ever) and I don’t think I’ve commented on there, so I’m not sure what happened. Anyway, she should feel guilty for smiling–I mean what if there’s people in their who regret their abortion (who were forced to abort) and they see her there smiling and acting all happy–that trivializes their feelings and makes her appear unsympathetic.
As to Salon I wonder how long ago they went to the CPC (because she said that was with her first pregnancy) and which one. There’s a number of CPCs that aren’t like that.
I wonder how she would feel in a year, two or 10. My girlfriend who has an abortion history did not find out she was infertile from her abortion until years later.
@Mother in Texas.
I couldn’t go to Rh reality either. I think they have blocked anyone coming from Jill’s URL. Great! Makes me wonder what exactly they are afraid we will say.
CC,
96% of pregnant women who go to PP get abortions. Please give me the links to where the women who don’t want abortions are referred.
Why would CPC’s refer to PP? The free diapers, wipes, formula, strollers etc are meant for the living babies.
Take is as a compliment if you are blocked from RH. :)
They do not engage in dialogue. Ever.
You can get to the article by going to their main page and there is a link to it on the lower right side. There are several pro-lifers on there commenting but the femmies are being brutal as usual.
Hi! I normally don’t cross-post my comments but what I’ve learned today is also relevant for this blog entry. Mods, I hope you don’t mind me quoting my comment from the thread ‘to be pro-life support PP?’ I would like to compare actual abortion complication/death statistics, if only I knew what they really were.
“Alright, I’ve done a little surfing on the CDC’s website and Guttmacher’s.
For the sake of argument, let’s round our numbers down to even millions & thousands, shall we?
CDC lists the annual birthrate at approximately 4,100,000 (give or take some thousands each year) for the last few years.
Guttmacher lists the abortion stats as 1,021,000 for 2008.
CDC lists United State’s maternal mortality as about .008%. Notice how much less than one percent that is.
If abortion advocates think they are “saving lives” by aborting children, let’s see how that math works out:
If approx. 4,100,000 babies were born in 2008, we can approximate at a rate of .008% that up to 328 mothers in the US died in childbirth.
If approx. 1,021,000 abortions were performed in 2008 (Guttmacher), then abortionists killed at least 1,020,672 more children than was ”necessary” to avoid maternal death.
If Planned Parenthood alone is really responsible for over 300,000 abortions in 2008, then PP is killing 914 children for every 1 potential maternal death that might have been averted. Nationwide, approximately 3,113 children are killed for every potential 1 maternal death that might have been averted.
In other words, abortion is far, far more deadly and toxic for human beings than childbirth.
So, who’s saving whose lives?
Even if we are to believe Guttmacher’s statistics (lies, damn lies, and statistics -Mark Twain), then over a million children a year in the US die for nothing, even by abortion advocate standards.”
As the author of the article you link to, I feel the need to make some clarifications. This is a personal blog, not an article for nor on Salon.com. Also, this post is no way meant to condemn the practices of all CPC’s. The word abortion is said once in the entire article. My personal position on abortion isn’t even noted. THIS ARTICLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ABORTION.
The ONLY deception on my part was in saying that my pregnancy was accidental, not intentional, in order to utilize services for pre-natal education. I make no excuses for that, and I have the utmost respect for service providers both secular and faith-based. The article is about a bad experience with one particular CPC. It is about a domestic violence victim seeking help, but not receiving any help. I really wish you would understand this. You are missing the point of the post entirely. And, I wish you would stop this behavior.
I’m not even going to comment on the blog piece. No one here can prove it’s untrue, but I’m not going to even assume that it is true, namely because no names are given and it seems to be written with the sole purpose of disparaging CPC’s.
Darla @ The article was very obviously slanted simply by your “pregnancy cult” terminology. Do you really expect us to believe that this was not about abortion? Sometimes what you don’t say speaks volumes especially when you use words like ‘cult” to describe someone that tried to help you. Before you tell Jill to stop her “behavior” you may need to check your own attitude because frankly it stinks.
Ninek – as usual you are reading the number incorrectly…
CDC lists United State’s maternal mortality as about .008%
Guttmacher lists United States abortion mortality rate is about .0004% with abortions under 8 weeks showing a mortality rate of .0000001%
So as you can see birth causes more maternal deaths than abortion does in the United States. Other countries numbers may be higher but that has to do with poor medical training and facilities.
You must cast your gaze a bit wider if you want to see the whole picture…
Darla:
Per comment: “The word abortion is said once in the entire article.”
Per blog/article: “For those not in the know, along side family planning clinics, such as Planned Parenthood, there is usually another office in the same building with a similar name. It is intentionally placed there to lure in unsuspecting preggos looking for abortions.”
from comment: The ONLY deception on my part was in saying that my pregnancy was accidental, not intentional, in order to utilize services for pre-natal education.
From blog: “When I found this online, I decided to scam the pregnancy cult for all they were worth. I went in faking that the pregnancy was accidental.”
From blog: “and was immediately taken upstairs for an ultrasound. For the uninitiated – this is the part where they try to show you the baby’s eyes, toes, lungs, heart, etc in order to convince you to keep the baby. I, of course, had no plans to abort,”
Per comment: “It is about a domestic violence victim seeking help, but not receiving any help.”
From blog: “And, I even went to a car seat class they sponsored and got a free government-issued car seat, but it wasn’t enough. I wanted something tangible that I felt I had earned for all my efforts.”
From blog: “the upside, I went into labor feeling uber prepared..”
From blog: “And, I got my pram damnit.”
From blog: “I never laughed so hard in my life.”
So, your comments here are that you were in a domestic abuse situation in need of help contradicts your blog where you say your main purpose was to scam the CPC.
You say you didn’t get any help, but you list several things that you did get: a free ultrasound, educational video instruction, a walker, a mat, a car seat, and a stroller (pram).
Even though domestic abuse is horrible, you were already an adult. Their advice may have been wrong, but it was only advice and in no way shape or form prevented you from seeking legal help or a restraining order.
You are not very honest, least of all with yourself. I think Jill got the point of your post quite well. You wanted to make the CPC look bad, and you almost succeeded. Too bad you admitted all the help they did provide.
Well, boys and girls, I’ve got some big time travel to embark on. So I will see you in the comments later!
I also wonder why that woman is anti-adoption.
We are now two weeks into our first period of fostering a young person. It is good.
Last one:
Biggz, I would put more faith in the CDC than in Guttmacher. Also, Guttmacher neglects to give stats on abortions performed at 9-15 weeks AT ALL. AND, there are NO COMPREHENSIVE STATISTICS ON ABORTION casualties because abortionists are not REQUIRED to report them nor is there any coordination of information between local emergencies rooms and the abortion mills that help fill them. Any info Guttmacher has was voluntary and not verifiable by any means.
Finally, over 1,021,000 babies slaughtered per year is a heck of lot more than 328. So, yes, abortion is much more deadly.
As Gerard says, get well soon. ‘K, thanks, bye!
So let’s see if i got this straight….
The extreme pro-choicers such as the author of the Salon article are just really concerned that women are being deceived by CPCs and this “concern” has nothing to do with their own advocacy for abortion rights. Uh huh. Right.
Oh and to these pro-choicers, “decieving” women is obviously much worse than killing and critically injuring women as many abortion clinics have been documented to do. I have yet to see a pro-choice women go undercover at an abortion clinic to show the way THEY decieve women. I won’t be holding my breath either.
And this author is upset because she claims the CPS did not help her with the pretend abuse she portrayed herself as suffering from? I don’t recall her writing any articles or blogging about the actual 14 and 15 year old girls getting prego as a result of REAL abuse, getting their abortions and then being sent back to their abusers because the abortion clinics did not follow the law and did not report the statutory rape. But I guess that’s ok because these girls got their abortions?
Ya you guys just really care about the women.
For the article that seems blocked, there’s a space in the link.
Right-click (PC)/control-click (Mac), then select “copy link location”, paste it into the address bar in your browser, delete the %20 between w and omans, and hit enter.
It looks like it would be a lot of work, but it’s not.
It seems that their server interprets 404 errors as 405 errors.
Reality@ I don’t understand that either. I mean who is anti-adoption? It makes no sense.
Reality,
Thank you for being a foster parent!!
Biggz
There doing abortions on minors without parental consent do you seriously think that those who are having complications and passing away are included in these abortion statistics?
Thanks Carla. I assure you that much thought went into the decision and we are starting with short term placements. Now that our own kids are grown and gone we thought it was a way to assist people. No agendas either :-)
Considering that Salon is such a big fan of abortion clinics / death chambers / whatever, may I suggest they push for them to be called “abortion salons”? I’m sure they’d be honored.
That “happy abortion” story was awful. I think it would bother even most pro-choicers. The ones I know seem to view abortion more in the “necessary evil” category, rather than a celebration. I think this woman’s story might shock a few people out of their support for abortion. Kudos to her then, if it turns people away from abortion.
Oh, and CC, those sources you posted were very biased. Why in the world would you post an article from a PP-supporting organization and expect pro-lifers to take it seriously? If you have some unbiased sources I would love to see them. I have no doubt any organization is capable of being dishonest, I was raised in a church that was anything but truthful, but everything I have seen about CPCs seem to support the idea that the vast majority of them are helpful and caring. MY wife went to one when she was pregnant with our unplanned daughter and they were very nice. They didn’t try to force any religion on me either (they did talk about it with my wife, since she is a Christian, but they were respectful of my views). I wonder what your problem is with them?
Reality,
I would love to know how it is going!! Please keep me posted.
When my kids are grown and gone I am going to open up our home to single, pregnant moms who don’t want an abortion. And then build a maternity home.
No agendas either. :) Oh, except to love.
Jack,
I always wait for just one who is proabortion to be appalled or sickened or disgusted by ANY of the abortion stories here. Men killing their pregnant girlfriends, Gosnell, happy abortions, young women killed at abortion clinics, bodies of babies thrown in dumpsters….the silence is always deafening.
Jessica DelBalzo is self-admittedly anti-adoption:
http://www.eclectica.org/v6n3/delbalzo.html
Reality! I love that you are helping children. That is wonderful, absolutely wonderful. My husband and I are hoping to adopt in a couple of years (we’d like to adopt a child who is either a minority, or adopt a child from Somalia, or Cambodia)… and my aunt is thinking of becoming a foster mother. It will be challenging, but it’s a beautiful thing to do.
Eric@ She is in obvious need of serious counseling. I know many happily adopted people and am myself an adoptive parent of very happy children. Perhaps she was adopted and had a bad experience but a lot of non-adopted people have bad experiences as children as well. For her to suggest that the one causes the other shows her lack of academic knowledge on the subject. I guess nothing will satisfy these radical pro-aborts except the blood of the babies since that is the obvious outcome sans adoption.
@ Mary Lee
I have a daughter adopted from Cambodia that is an absolute angel but unfortunately adoptions there have been closed to the US for 10 years now. If you live in another country you can still adopt from there though.
From her anti-adoption article:
“They’re born into the world expecting the familiar scent of family and the warm voice that they grew accustomed to in utero, and instead they’re handed over to strangers masquerading as “mommy” and “daddy.” Because this severing of the world’s most natural bond occurs at a time in a child’s life when he is unable to communicate his emotions and experiences, it is a trauma that will stay with him into adulthood.”
” Mothers especially have a primal instinct to care for their children and ensure the survival of their family trees. For true families, a baby is not valuable for profit but for the fact that he is living proof of a connection to the past and future. As parents, our instinct is to protect, rather than abuse something so precious and rare.”
So, she suddenly cares about the “world’s most natural bond” and “trauma” to the child and the “warm voice” that it heard in utero?
I’m confused! I thought that these non-humans didn’t matter and that they couldn’t feel and had no emotions whatsoever so therefore they couldn’t possibly be traumatized and that the “world’s most natural bond” was something to be dismissed since her body trumps this bond. And wasn’t she just overjoyed that they ripped one of these from her body?
Which is it lady, is it valuable or not? Make up your mind because you are confusing us rationale folks!
Ah. Thanks, Deanna. I need to do my research. At the moment, I’m juggling an incredible amount of family health troubles. Bleah. I’ll get my act together. There are plenty of children in the world who need loving mommies and daddies.
MaryLee@
Yeah, It’s a bummer. I would adopt from Cambodia again in a second if I could. Love the Cambodian people.
Fyi: We used Dillon International out of Tulsa when we adopted from Korea. They have lots of programs to different countries and was an excellent agency to work with. Highly recommend them.
Deanna,
I am sorry to inform you that we don’t care for babies after they are born. And if we don’t adopt them ALL then we can’t be prolife.
So there you go. :)
I grew up with SEVERAL adopted people. They are now all highly successful teachers, musicians, scientists, human resources personnel, etc. with children of their own.
None of them ever expressed to me anything but gratitude about having been adopted. And a few of them have relationships with their birth parents, as well.
I will never understand the “adoption is cruel but abortion is a right” mentality.
I will never understand the DEATH over poverty or abuse mentality.
Many of us wouldn’t be here. Including me.
Carla@ yeah, I heard that one on another page just this week. “If you were REALLY pro-life you would adopt 10-12 children,not just the four that you have adopted AND there was a whole list of other stuff I would have to do on top of that in order to prove that I really cared. Craziness!
Ok, I just read that anti-adoption screed that woman posted. Wow. She has got to be mentally ill or something.
@Deanna, I get that too sometimes, even though I don’t have the money to do that. Its like you can’t have an opinion or care about babies being aborted?
Carla,
That’s such an excellent idea (about opening your home as a maternity home for women who don’t want abortions).
My fiance and I want to adopt eventually, preferably from a mom who can’t take care of her baby or may have been thinking of abortion. I’d also love to be a foster parent eventually. So much hurt in the world – too bad my home/finances aren’t big enough to help it all!
And also… the death over poverty/abuse drives me insane!!!! I can’t wrap my mind around the fact that some people think it’s better to slay their children then let them grow up – maybe – to have to scrap to survive. Ohhhh the horror! (sarcasm)
LB,
I hope you also get to adopt/foster! :)
The proaborts never go farther with their thoughts. IF a child MAY/MIGHT end up in poverty or in an abusive home what about those who live in poverty now or live with abuse and neglect right now? Can we kill them and put them out of their misery?? Eliminate ALL suffering by death! Good grief. It makes my head spin.
For sure those that have poor mothers obviously should be aborted because well then without a doubt you know they will be poor. Cause humans can’t overcome obstacles no sireeeeeee.
Mother’s choice and all that too!!
And of course all of those children that live in poverty, abuse and neglect must be adopted by all of us or we cannot call ourselves prolife!!
Carla,
:) I’m really super excited now! But I guess I have to wait to get married… then have kids of my own… but we’ll see what the Lord has! :) Being pro-life is incredibly rewarding.
Haha it makes my head spin too. Because, you know, women are so powerful and can make all these wonderful autonomous choices but we can’t overcome poverty or hardship and heaven forbid we would have to live life in something other than the lap of luxury.
And as horrible as abuse and poverty are, I have seen some people rise from those situations and demonstrate incredible character and integrity. I suppose a major difference between us and pro-aborts is that we have this thing called hope. It’s sad that those on the pro-death side seem to have no concept of the idea.
Hahaha yeah poverty is worse than death. And if you are poor and can’t adopt, you are a lying hypocrite and can’t be prolife. I guess anyone who doesn’t feed the world is just pro-death and hates babies and women. haha
His plans are so much better than ours!! :)
Even proaborts can’t come up with a consensus on anything they support. A world wide meeting might be in order. Nail down the particulars!! :)
While I agree whole heartily that not everyone can or even should adopt I do believe that those of us who are Christian should all be doing SOMETHING to help orphans based on the scripture below. We are mandated to look after the orphans. That may mean feeding them through church programs or praying for them regularly or whatever but we do need to be doing something and obviously all Christians aren’t. I wrote an article recently about this very thing. But for the pro-aborts to demand that we make the world perfect in order for them to stop having excuses to kill their kids is absurd.
Also,(another recent article) pregnancy has become a liability in our culture. It’s a “poor little me I can’t possibly raise more than 2.5 kids and have my career, etc.” It use to be that feminism was about overcoming obstacles but now it is about making women whiny bags that can’t handle life unless they kill their kid and take the pressure off. Whatever happened to “we are woman, hear us roar”? It’s now “We are woman, listen to us belly ache all day about how rough we have it.” Put your big girl panties on and deal with life already.
“Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.” James 1:27″
Hahahaha Deanna your last paragraph made me laugh. That’s right! Tell ’em! haha