Botched legal abortions are society’s fault?
Dr. Jenn Gunter completed her OB/GYN training in 1995 and practices in the San Francisco area. So the botched abortion she described on her blog on February 11 was legal, although she was murky on that detail (clarified in a follow-up, wherein she also clarified this poor mother lived).
Yet this near death was only partially the fault of the quack abortionist. In Dr. Gunter’s opinion it was also the fault of stigma of illegal immigration, society for making abortion shameful, and inadequate access to contraception and sex ed.
The only point upon which Dr. Gunter and I agree is that illegal immigrants are more likely to be taken advantage of by abortionists. Porous borders only increase the likelihood of botched abortions, not to mention sex-trafficking. But where is the abortion industry? Why isn’t it policing its own? Low-life abortionists prey on illegals, they know this. Excerpts from the post…
On the gurney lay a young woman the color of white marble. The red pool between her legs, ominously free of clots, offered a silent explanation.
“She arrived a few minutes ago. Not even a note.” My resident was breathless with anger, adrenaline, and panic.
I had an idea who she went to. The same one the others did. The same one many more would visit. A doctor, but considering what I had seen he could’t have any formal gynecology training. The only thing he offered that the well-trained provers didn’t was a cut-rate price. If you don’t know to ask, well, a doctor is a doctor. That’s assuming you are empowered enough to have such a discussion. I was also pretty sure his office didn’t offer interpreters….
The urologist, whose room I appropriated, blustered and sputtered in behind me. “What the f*** are you doing barging in, I’ve got another case…” but as we moved my patient over to the operating table and he saw the blood, he stopped. He grabbed a tray of instruments and opened. “I’ll be your scrub.”
The anesthesiologist was pissed. Not really mad, more riled up than anything. No one likes to be blind sided, no matter how well intentioned. And he probably thought I was over reacting. That is until he put in another intravenous.
“F***.” What looked like blood tinged water flashed back.
And now they all understood what I knew the second I laid eyes on this patient. Abortions that go horribly wrong bleed out. Quickly.
The room filled with surgeons, nurses, and students eager to help. To do something. Anything.
I opened the vagina and by feel clamped through the holes on either side of the uterus where I knew from experience I would find the uterine arteries, the likely site of the puncture. I didn’t know which side, and at that point it didn’t matter. I just needed to stop the blood flow. It took less than a minute. She would have bled to death if I had opened her belly….
We were all bonded by this nameless woman whose life we were desperately trying to save. And we were bearing witness, because we knew if she died it was unlikely anyone would read about her in the paper. It was unlikely her family would protest. A myriad of potential reasons. Shame of the abortion. Distrust of government. Fear of immigration officials.
The urologist, a grizzled older man with whom I had nothing in common except a medical degree and this patient, rested his hand on my shoulder….
“You done good.” He said. And then he added, “Those bastards.”
I knew he was referring not just to the physician who did this procedure, but to everyone in society who had contributed to a disadvantaged woman finding herself in such a desperate situation.
A commenter named Judy Stone, MD, added:
I occasionally see infectious complications and dread the coming days when we will see more young women die from botched abortions or sepsis. It is incomprehensible to me that the euphemistically self-appointed “right to life” religious zealots also oppose contraceptives, which would reduce abortions, and aid for pregnant women and young children…
Excuse me, whose fault are those glossed over “infectious complications”? What is the difference between post-abortion infections now and post-abortion infections when they are again illegal? The same antibiotics will save mothers then as now.
Amazing to me is the failure of these medical professionals to objectively analyze the unethical abortion industry. Abortion is legal. Botches like this aren’t supposed to happen. Hillary Clinton wants to “keep” abortion safe, legal, and rare. Which means she thinks it already is safe.
It, of course, is not. And it’s no one’s fault but the abortion industry’s, which fights every regulation, every attempt at informed consent.
Doctors like Gunter and Stone are so consumed with protecting abortion, these botched abortions are also their fault.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Naturally, she doesn’t name the “doctor” to warn other women– even though she evidently knows who it is.
Despicable.
It’s amazing to me that this woman is an MD and still hasn’t figured out that an abortion is still killing a human. I read some of the posts to her blog or what ever it is she does and they are applauding her? This country no longer has any idea or sense of sin. Sad.
Of course it’s all someone else’s fault when their ‘choice’ goes awry. Owning it would mean admitting abortion isn’t as safe as they’d like folks to believe, and we can’t have truth entering the narrative, can we? Much easier to blame the wingnuts (or whoever). Proaborts are happy to get you through the doors of the abortion mill-after that, you’re on your own.
These doctors here are those “bastards”. As stated, are they giving up the abortionists? What about all the docs who covered for Gosnell? What about the ones who covered for Brigham? I could name many more.
YOU DOCTORS are the reason women find themselves in those situations. Blame yourselves. We’re trying to help women never feel like they ever have to choose to risk THIS. YOU DOCTORS are the ones who cover for each other. Who suggest abortion at the slightest complication in pregnancy. Who fight the most basic standards of care being legislated when it comes to abortion clinics so that women aren’t butchered like this. No formal training in gynecology? You guys fought that. Now you want doctors administering dangerous drugs to patients they meet through a camera and a tv screen. I BLAME YOU. Every one of these mothers that is butchered is blood on the hands of every pro-abortion person. Every pro-abortion doctor.
Amen to that. If a woman died during a hysterectomy, they wouldn’t hesitate to blame the doctor. Die during an abortion, and they do their best to silence and marginalize it. They don’t give a damn about women. The agenda is all that matters.
I can’t believe that they let non-gynecologists perform abortions. I mean, they want it treated like a normal medical procedure, right? Well how many other surgeries are performed by people who aren’t specialists in the appropriate field?
“You done good.” He said. And then he added, “Those bastards.”
I concur, doctor. Everyone who supports the legality of such barbarism has earned that title, your present company included.
You know what would’ve prevented any of the described scene from happening? Not killing her baby.
“You done good.” He said. And then he added, “Those bastards.”
“I knew he was referring not just to the physician who did this procedure, but to everyone in society who had contributed to a disadvantaged woman finding herself in such a desperate situation.”
Talk about blame shifting! So now society is guilty for botched abortions, not only the criminally negligent hack abortionist. I suppose this even includes granny who supports efforts to crack down on illegal immigation.
Just another example of the culture of denial in the abortion industry.
I don’t think there was a botched abortion – I think it’s part of a “narrative” construction/campaign we’ll be seeing over the next month or so.
As Kelsey pointed out – if she knows the cut-rate doctor’s name, and she’s not putting him in front of a medical board, she herself is negligent and conducting malpractice. Cases of abuse are supposed to be reported.
So, this “exposé” is not really a heartfelt effort towards elimination of the “problem” doctor – but a means to discuss “cut-rate” operators.
This story was concocted to discuss the need for abortion “insurance” for all.
Why else write the piece?
If there was an investigation being conducted, she’d be advised not to blab. If Gunter is unwilling to name names, I’m calling BS on her.
And Dr. Gunter – if you want to really find common ground as you claim – look no further than the humanity of the child.
If it doesn’t start there, then all you’re doing is proving how inhumane you are, because you wouldn’t want to be subject to the destruction those children are put through.
When desperate women find themselves in desperate situations as in a crisis pregnancy we are to work to eliminate the crisis NOT the child. What does PP offer to women in crisis? Killing. That is all they have to offer.
It is easy enough to wash your hands and blame someone else, like the Dougs of this world who do nothing but smirk and say, “It’s a woman’s right to choose.”
Cowardice.
Hi Carla.
Hi Hal.
I miss you.
Awe shucks. I’ve been busy, productive and happy. How have you been?
Hey me too!! :)
I am facilitating my first Rachel’s Vineyard retreat this weekend. 4 women who are hurting from their abortions have signed up. And THAT my dear Hal is why I do what I do. Reaching out to help those that want it.
I am so blessed.
I’m glad you do what you do, Carla. keep it up.
See you around in a month or two. I think I’m “trolling” too much here.
Hal-
maybe you and your wife will attend one day. Hopefully.
chris never thought of that. yeah shes no hero thats for sure.
Hal, I don’t think you’re trolling! I’m always sad when you go on a hiatus, although I do it too so I can’t blame you.
On a completely unrelated note-happy Fat Tuesday tomorrow, everyone. Mardi Gras!
It will always be incumbent upon prolifers to look after the safety of abortion-minded women, because you CAN NOT rely upon the prochoice. Whether it was the “bad old days” when dying women protected their abortionists, not their fellow women, with their dying breaths, or the “enlightened” era of safe-n-legal abortion when the injuries and deaths are swept under the rug in the name of “access,” once somebody embraces abortion as an acceptable act, he or she is in thrall to abortion and the well being of the women becomes a secondary matter. It’s always been that way and it always will be.
If abortion advocates had their way — everybody jumped on the “abortion is great” bandwagon — there would be NOBODY left to police the practitioners. There would be nobody but foxes to guard the henhouse.
The urologist, a grizzled older man with whom I had nothing in common except a medical degree and this patient, rested his hand on my shoulder….
“You done good.” He said. And then he added, “Those bastards.”
I knew he was referring not just to the physician who did this procedure, but to everyone in society who had contributed to a disadvantaged woman finding herself in such a desperate situation.
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[Props and creds, kudos and hats off to my fellow ‘grizzled older men’.]
Does this 21st Century Jeane Dixon consult chicken entrails, read tea leaves, use a crystal ball, cast lots, resort to ouija board, interpret the stars or did she just rely on plain old whoamans intution in order to ‘devine’ to whom the grizzled urologist was referring?
In the context of the crisis he was witnessing, the ‘grizzled older man’.
was almost certainly referring to the ’bastard(s)’ who botched the abortion.
missy Gunter could have at least shared her observations with ’Angies List’ or JD Powers?
[NO ‘stars’, thumb down, negitive 10, etc.]
But no, missy Gunter is not willing to lean in and take one for her fellow females [fall on her own rusty coathanger]. But she is quite willing to allow more unsuspecting victims to fall prey to the butcher she claims to know both by name reputation and prior incompetence.
yeah go run a pubic records request on our abortionist Martin Ruddock. one woman sued him and won her million dollar lawsuit due to the fact that hed butchered her so bad she required a hysterectomy. yet he had no shame in the game of trying to pester a former patient for sex…..that b*stard!
Face it, Roe versus Wade is a failure. We know based on the latest scientific knowlege, it cannot be defended…
Hal,
I don’t think you are trolling.
I am glad you stop by now and again. :)
I can’t post to ask her why she doesn’t report this quack? Does she ENJOY cleaning up his bloody messes? Does it make her feel important, and morally superior to the prolifers, so she has to let him stay out there doing his damage?
I so want to reach through the screen and b-slap some sense into this … individual.(I hate to even refer to her as a “woman” because it feels like it sullies the word to apply it to somebody who embraces abortion.
yeah go run a pubic records request on our abortionist Martin Ruddock. one woman sued him and won her million dollar lawsuit due to the fact that hed butchered her so bad she required a hysterectomy. yet he had no shame in the game of trying to pester a former patient for sex…..that b*stard!
Thank you for a chuckle today with that typo.
Also, quacks like this are one of the reasons our healthcare costs are so freaking high. Malpractice suits/claims raise the cost of malpractice insurance for all practicing physicians (which is already sky-high), which raises the price they must charge for services in order to still make a profit (and do fun things like pay off their educational costs).
Hey guys,
Since I would not accuse condom-users of being sinners, I’ll tell you all that there are two different commenters using the name Janet today on at least two different threads. I don’t know if she’s really named Janet or a troll using my name to make comments contrary to my thoughts/convictions. Either way, I’ll be going now.
God bless. Continue to pray for an end to abortion and for the conversion of hearts and minds of pro-aborts.
Janet
Oh..I wondered what was going on, “original” Janet. ;) That happened to me a few months back. A troll here was using my same name, but when she was asked to use a different name so as not to cause confusion, she childishly ARGUED with everyone and asked “Why should I have to change MY name on here, just because YOU were here first????”
I replied “Because that would be the mature, adult thing to do”.
Unless she DID change her screen name..she never came back…”big surprise”!
That’s how they get past the “Anonymous posts will be deleted.” thing.
I could have sworn we were back in the 60’s and advocates of “abortion reform” were giving yet another horror story as to why abortion should be legal.
I am suddenly back in the present. Abortion IS legal and has been for 39 years.
I was completely disoriented there for a moment.
Thanks for letting me know Pamela. I haven’t commented here for months and months. If there’s been someone else using my name during that time, it wasn’t me! That’s the risk of writing online. A word to the wise! My time could be better used in other ways.
yeah go run a public records request on our abortionist Martin Ruddock. one woman sued him and won her million dollar lawsuit due to the fact that hed butchered her so bad she required a hysterectomy
Heather, if you have those records, can you scan them and send them to info[at]secularprolife.org? We’re putting together a database at AbortionSafety.com to share the warnings that pro-abortion loyalists like Gunter won’t. Thank you!
Does it say anywhere that Dr.Gunter reported this quack and what legal action was taken against him?
Ya, Birther Ken…… I was gonna post on that point, of Gunter reading the mind of the urologist, with whom she had nothing in common, but you already got it done.
This is just more advocacy from profiteering abortion apologists. Her compatriot, Judy Stone suggests [free] “contraceptives” as the cure for abortion malpractice, with ZERO data to show that availability of birth control drug/devices is correlated with decreased demand for abortion. Studies done thus far tend to trend in the opposite direction.
Sorry to say that the litigious health care environment has served to funnel some of the least competent practitioners towards the field of obstetrics. You have carefully choose among them to pick a winner.
I’m trying to figure out how doctors knowing about colleagues sending women to the ER and not reporting them wouldn’t be simliar to… say
priests or teachers knowing about colleagues abusing minors and not reporting them.
Anyone?
It doesn’t matter if they’re back-alley butchers or Beverly Hills butchers. Same difference. And there’s no kosher level of butchering going on wherever it may be.
If you’re a doctor and your skills aren’t that great, it makes sense to go into abortions. There is a high demand for them and the people who want abortion legal aren’t likely to watch the legal abortionists as closely as they should simply because they tend to assume legality = safety (for the woman getting the abortion; obviously not for the embryo or fetus being killed).
I’ll say it again: demand is the problem. A pregnancy being a crisis is the problem. As long as women panic at pregnancy, butchery will be the result.
kelsey…im sure i can get copies. we have a man in our group who gets all the dirt. he even obtained a chilling tape of ruddock after hed called ems.
One of my friends sent me this story a few days ago. It breaks my heart. I hope this woman will be okay and I hope the quack that hurt her is punished to the full extent of the law.
One of the nurses in my town referred to this as “cleaning up the messes”. She works in a hospital near one of our local abortion centers.
Hilarious – that this OB/GYN blames the “shame of abortion” for the unpunished malpractice of this “abortion doctor”.
Jack, agreed. But the quack doc won’t be stopped until doctors like the one in the story break their silence. In effect, other prochoice doctors protect the butchers.
Why? I honestly don’t know. Maybe they’re afraid that abortion won’t be available, made illegal, etc. Maybe they feel guilty because they don’t perform abortions but want the violent practice to remain legal? Who can say.
AGAIN- Medical staff who know about this are sadly enabling and perpetuating it.
Mary Ann says: February 21, 2012 at 12:25 am
I’m trying to figure out how doctors knowing about colleagues sending women to the ER and not reporting them wouldn’t be simliar to… say
priests or teachers knowing about colleagues abusing minors and not reporting them.
Anyone?”
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ma,
If and/or when a person, regargless of their title or function, referred a young child to a person they knew to be a pedophile that would a ‘similar failure’.
But a self serving attempt to shift the blame for the sexual assault to
ALL people who have consistently observed homosexuality and pedophilia to be ‘sin’ would be almost as foul a deed as the sexual assault itself.
[“I had an idea who she went to. The same one the others did. The same one many more would visit.’]
In this instance you have a whoaman ‘OB/GYN’ who claims to have prior knowledge of incidents where this particular abortionists incompetence, negligence and indifference has resulted in injury, sterility and death of her/his victims and we have no indication that this whoaman has done anything to protect other unspecting women from this known bothcher/butcher.
Evidently missy Gunter does not believe she is her sisters keeper, but she will shield her colleagues sin.
Apparently, Gunter’s conscience is clear with the regard to the overiding imperative of the Hipcractic oath to ‘Do no harm’.
‘anyone’
For whom do these belles troll?
martin ruddock ( ohio abortionist ) helped to invent partial birth abortions. also operation rescue featured him sever times and the filth of his shoddy clinic. no pre op vital signs? no problem!
and to touch down on jenn…..she is no better than the abortionist hack out there. oh i get it….bringing back the half dead and mutilated women from the brink makes her some sort of martyr. NOTI
Thanks to the author of this post for at least naming herself-another name to add to the list of complicit, spineless butchers to avoid. Quack, quack.
right mpcq….if jenn really gave a hang shed out the abortionist. i guess she just wants to look like a life saving hero. the only way to do that is report! duh! as a nurse myself im obligated to report abuse of any patient by any BODY! another nurrse. stna doctor or family member. why doesnt jenn live up to the same standard. i wonder how shed feel about “woman power” after reading the book Lime 5. its proven that the shame of abortion keeps many women from reporting it. abortionists know this and many sexually prey on minors especially. the girl wants to abort and forget. besides whose gonna believe them? NOW? NARAL? lol