Life Links 2-13-12
by JivinJ, host of the blog, JivinJehoshaphat
- Overheard: Abortion Gang member Not Guilty holds to the “I want to silence all the male voices in the abortion discussion” position:
And so, I want to silence the voices of all men. I am so tired of men giving their opinion about abortion. I am so tired of it that I am willing to sacrifice the voices of all the men who support women.
I truly believe that if men were no longer allowed to speak on the topic of abortion, every country would be pro-choice. Anti-choice women get abortions too. Abortion crosses every religious, cultural, and political line. The only line it can’t cross is biological sex, and that is where the problem lies.
- The New York Times has an article on Mitt Romney’s “path to pro-life position on abortion”:
Mr. Romney’s transformation on abortion is, in some respects, the story of a man who entered public life in a state whose politics did not match his own. People close to Mr. Romney say they have no doubt that he opposes terminating a pregnancy. Critics and even some supporters say there is also little question that he did what he had to do to get elected as governor.
- Two Texas abortion clinics will have to pay fines for dumping the bodies of aborted children in a landfill:
The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality ordered fines Wednesday of $22,980 and $17,430 for the Whole Woman’s Health clinics in Austin and McAllen. The clinics already have begun paying their fines.
Stericycle, an Illinois-based international medical waste disposal company used by both clinics, was fined $42,612. A portion of all three fines was deferred.
- Ross Douthat on Obama’s supposed religious liberty “accommodation” (why do the media keep calling it a “compromise”?) and its goal:
The revised regulation allows religious institutions to pretend that they aren’t actually purchasing an insurance plan that covers services they find morally objectionable, because their insurance companies will be required to pretend that they’re supplying these services free of charge. But fond illusions about “free” services aside, it’s hard to see how a system in which Catholic hospitals and colleges are required to purchase health insurance for their employees from insurers that are required to cover birth control, sterilizations and the morning- and days-after pills is meaningfully different from the original Health and Human Services mandate….
The new rule, though, is much more savvy: Because it speaks the language of compromise and conscience, it provides grounds for anyone who desperately wants to believe in it to believe in it, even as it leaves the underlying policy more or less unchanged.
- At a Columbia Law School symposium, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg questioned the timing of Roe v. Wade:
“It’s not that the judgment was wrong, but it moved too far too fast,” Ginsburg told a symposium at Columbia Law School marking the 40th anniversary of her joining the faculty as its first tenure-track female professor….
“The court made a decision that made every abortion law in the country invalid, even the most liberal,” Ginsburg said. “We’ll never know whether I’m right or wrong… things might have turned out differently if the court had been more restrained.”
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
dear “noty guilty”: so are you saying men can’t feel pain from lost fatherhood? Are men not uncles, brothers and sons (and yes, Fathers, too)? Have men not experienced the joy of being big brothers and uncles? Did I miss the memo that it doesn’t take two to make a baby? There are men who will take responsibility and do whatever it takes to support the mother of their child. Then there are the men who say “deal with it, its not MY problem.” Which men do you want to silence?
Some men say that legalized abortion should exempt men from the legal obligation to pay child support. After all, it’s the woman alone who decides to carry to term and give birth. These men say, “Her body, her choice, her responsibility.” In fact, some cite legal abortion in their attempts to have all mandatory child support laws thrown out.
What will be the result if the father’s legal obligation to pay child support is ended for men across the board?
Does this “Abortion Gang” website (very intimidating name!) have any male contributors?
And yet..the majority of abortionists (abortion “doctors”) are MEN.
What about THEM,“NOT GUILTY”???
Talk about a bunch of MAN-HATERS (The Abortion Gang, that is) !
OK Not Guilty,
This desire to squelch male voices regarding abortion always leads back to 1973, when the all-male Supreme Court made abortion legal. Kinda figuring you approve of those men being involved.
(Shhh, never interrupt your enemy while she is making a mistake! It’s not like 100% of new little humans have fathers.)
Hey, Not Guilty! Yeah, you go! Tell it!!
Dear not guilty,
Just wait until your son impregnates a woman and she won’t listen to any input from him. It’s your grandchild for goodness sake. Won’t that be grand?
What old Ruthy means is just that they jumped the gun and are seeing how easy it is for us to chip-chip-chip away at a folly so monolithic as Roe. Sorry, sweetheart, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
Not Guilty? I bet you are. But guess what? I’m not. And I will fight you until I haven’t got any fight left in this body of mine. After you see a woman like me fight you, you’ll be BEGGING for the menfolk to come and get your back once more.
I didn’t kill my cubs. This momma bear has fangs. And when I see ANYONE’S child in danger, you better believe you’ll be lost in a world that is nothing but a white haze of teeth and claws.
The main anti-choice voices for the U.S. are also all men.
Sauce, plox.
”And when I see ANYONE’S child in danger, you better believe you’ll be lost in a world that is nothing but a white haze of teeth and claws.”
So, hypothetically, if I were pregnant and about to abort, you would attack me and keep me hostage until I delivered? If, hypothetically, I wanted to abort my “cub,” I wouldn’t fight you, I would exercise my right to walk into a Planned Parenthood (or in my case, go to the hospital) and terminate that “cub.” If you tried to stop me, I would have you arrested.
“The main anti-choice voices for the U.S. are also all men” The Magisterium of the oldest men’s club in the world – the Catholic Church. And BTW, the political arm of the anti-choice movement, the GOP, is predominately male.
No, in practice, I vote to elect those who share my goal of protecting “cubs”, so that opting to kill them is no longer considered a right in my country. Also, I stand outside my local slaughterhouse whenever I get the chance with a picture of my “cub”, so the women going in can see that they’re not killing “clumps of tissue” or “balls of cells”. I’m working to show the world that these are real, live human beings that are killed by the thousands each day. But keep fantasizing. Your utter failure to grasp metaphor amuses me.
Umm…yeah…when I get the memo from the Catholic Church telling me they’re the ones running this little ballgame and I can’t play because I’m no longer Catholic, I’ll believe that.
Also, the last 5 years of Republican politics called and said you’re insane.
Oh, and also the owner of this website. Oh, and also Live Action. Oh, and also Americans United for Life. Oh, and also Feminists for Life. Oh, and also Susan B. Anthony List…let me know when you’ve had enough, m’kay?
“Your utter failure to grasp metaphor amuses me.”
And your street theater, outside Planned Parenthood, is a source of amusement for those in the reality based community. (Love the fetus rosaries) So far, in my little towne, no saved babies despite your agitprop and harassment. And “thousands” of ”humans” killed – that’s the decision of human women whose bodies they are residing in. None-of-your-business.
”Also, the last 2 years of Republican politics called and said you’re insane.”
Remind me who the majority leader and speaker are. Remind me of the number of GOP women on influential congressional committees. Remind me of the percentage of women in the Republican party. Live Action, Susan B Anthony, and Feminists for Life pale in comparison to an organization that not only spans the US but the world.
m’kay?
I can’t play because I’m no longer Catholic, I’ll believe that
Of course you can play, you’re on their side. D’uuuuhhhhhhhhhh
i dont get these people. why i thought these “BASTiONS OF TOLERANCE” were tolerant of choices. now to send men away is narrowing choice once again. face it…..they are so dumbed down they will only accept people who are tolerant of abortion. and they get up on that table and allow a male abortionist to scrape them out. the male abortionist is getting rich off of your ” goldmine” uterus! sickos!!!!!!! duh!
“ they get up on that table and allow a male abortionist to scrape them out. the male abortionist is getting rich off of your ” goldmine” uterus! sickos!!!!!!! duh”
You are aware that there are female gynecologists. Abortion is a surgical procedure like any other. Do you begrudge doctors the right to earn a living from legal surgery?
And your street theater, outside Planned Parenthood, is a source of amusement for those in the reality based community. (Love the fetus rosaries)
Great. You can keep your own private little slice of blood-soaked mud. However, “denial” is spelled “d-e-n-i-a-l”, not “r-e-a-l-i-t-y”, for future reference. I’m glad you’re so fond of the fetus rosaries. If you are, you should stop your never-ending rants about them and just buy one already. I do not own one myself, as it would serve no purpose for me.
So far, in my little towne, no saved babies despite your agitprop and harassment.
Once again, great for you. You’ll find our campaigns more successful elsewhere. The local coordinator of 40 Days For Life is a personal friend of mine, so he tends to keep me up-to-date about saves.
Since 40 Days for Life started these coordinated campaigns in September of 2007, we now know of more than 4,000 babies saved from abortion! And yes, THAT is the milestone! The current total is 4,082!
Once again you’re flaunting that denial of which you seem oh-so proud. :(
And “thousands” of ”humans” killed – that’s the decision of human women whose bodies they are residing in. None-of-your-business.
Just like it was the decision of the human women and men whose bodies children emerge from to beat/rape/verbally and emotionally abuse, right? I mean, they’re living in THEIR homes, eating (or not eating, I’m sure some parents were starving the little bastards intentionally, right?) THEIR food. I’m sure you did a bang-up job of protecting THOSE “thousands” of “humans” when you were with Child Protective Services too, eh? Did putting quotation marks around them make you feel better when you looked the other way at THEIR injuring/killing/abuse, too, CC?
*sigh*, you bore me, CC:
http://www.sba-list.org/pro-life-women-leaders/national
Of course you can play, you’re on their side. D’uuuuhhhhhhhhhh
lol, you almost sound jealous with this statement. Once again, amusing. XD
“I’m sure you did a bang-up job of protecting THOSE “thousands” of “humans” when you were with Child Protective Services too, eh”
Put a number behind bars for a long time. And that was my job – protecting those whom the law defines as “children.” Child protective services is not entitled to take control of pregnant women much as you want it to be so.
And Wowie Zowie – “40 Days for Life” (Priests for Life thingie) says there are lots of saves. Far as I know, the men in black are not outside our clinic to count “saves.” And even if they were there, there are none. Obviously I can’t account for other clinics but until I seem empirical evidence, I’ll take their evidence as just propaganda.
Susan B Anthony list pales in comparison to the power of the Vatican. But yes, they are influential. As are NARAL, Planned Parenthood, etc…
So whattdathink xalisae, life imprisonment for women who have abortions? They’re baby killers, right?
You’re funny.
BTW, you don’t live in the Northeast, do you? LOL. (And yeah, New Hampshire has some weird, anti-choice types but next door is liberal Vermont!)
protecting those whom the law defines as “children.”
Ok. So rather than thinking for yourself or having anything close to a moral compass installed internally, you simply swallow your blue pill and just do what the law tells you. I’m glad the ending of slavery wasn’t up to people like you. I can just see it, seemingly so worried about giving a white drunk on the street a meal for the night when over on the trading block a few feet away a black man’s being whipped to death and when questioned you reply, “Oh, that’s fine. He’s not really a human being. Now get out of my way so I can help this poor dear!” Delightful. Talk about missing the forest for the trees.
And, my friend who organizes for my area isn’t a priest. He IS Catholic, but not a priest. We get along just fine. I have a little empirical evidence to give you. It’s in the form of a hug, a thank you, and a picture of her son I received from a woman who was glad to see us all out there and said that if it hadn’t been for people like us, her mother might’ve prevailed and her son would’ve been aborted. So yeah, I’m empiricizing all up in this.
Thanks at least for admitting the clout of SBA List. I mean, I know The Vatican’s been around for like, hundreds and hundreds of years and stuff, and SBA List has only been kicking it since 1993…but they are like, TOTALLY comparable and stuff.
Sorry to break this to ya, but we’re just getting warmed up. ;)
So whattdathink xalisae, life imprisonment for women who have abortions? They’re baby killers, right?
Only if they do it themselves. Otherwise, it’s usually more of a hitman-type situation, with the actual perpetrator getting the brunt of the legal repercussions, and should be charged as such. But if you really want to break it down to its elements, couldn’t it be prosecuted as a child neglect/endangerment case, and if so, don’t those typically carry lighter sentences than outright murder?
I’m not finicky about this. I know the science. I’ve had a child. I know exactly what abortion is, and I’m quite willing to give it every bit of the legal consideration such a human rights violation deserves. Sorry, not blinking.
I’m from the West Coast, and had the good sense to gtfo of there asap. I wouldn’t be caught dead on the East Coast, for the same reason.
“Not Guilty? I bet you are. But guess what? I’m not. And I will fight you until I haven’t got any fight left in this body of mine. After you see a woman like me fight you, you’ll be BEGGING for the menfolk to come and get your back once more.
I didn’t kill my cubs. This momma bear has fangs. And when I see ANYONE’S child in danger, you better believe you’ll be lost in a world that is nothing but a white haze of teeth and claws.”
Peeking over her shoulder, wearing my “Pro-Woman/Pro-Baby” t-shirt, I say: “I am on xalisae’s side!”
The “new” mandate is simply a clarification of how the original mandate would work. How exactly were the religious institutions going to pay for the contraceptives under the original mandate if not through insurance coverage???? This is a joke.. Were the religious institutions expected to walk into the local drug store in order to pay for the contraception under the original mandate???
In cc’s little “towne” there is only one PP slaughterhouse and 3 pregnancy centers.
3:1 in our favor.
There is a reason that abortion worshippers can’t understand metaphors or parables. We know it, but they are still baffled. I’m not suprised that a woman who spends her weekends helping to kill babies has a little trouble grasping ideas. Tell us, does PP pay you in money or do you get to eat from the post-abortion cookie jar?
I’m curious what Doug and Biggz and the other pro-abort men who frequent here think of Not Guilty’s little diatribe?
I got a chuckle out of the first response. Men, apparently, should keep quiet about abortion unless they’re going to hold a favorable opinion of it. Then it’s okay to speak about it.
(Anyone else having trouble viewing the comments?)
(Anyone else having trouble viewing the comments?)
Yes, I often can’t see any comments unless I post one. Most be some glitch coming from changing servers.
All we need to know about CC is summed up here:
“And “thousands” of ”humans” killed – that’s the decision of human women whose bodies they are residing in. None-of-your-business.”
She is not denying that her kind are killing humans, mind you; just emphasizing that there is some made-up rule, fabricated from whole cloth by nine MEN, which says it is apparently none of our business. It’s actually 54 million humans killed in the US in the last 39 years since that intrusion into the womb to kill small humans was unbound in the US, and CC, unless you repent, like my friend the female abortionist did, their blood is on your hands as well. You are not standing by doing nothing, no – you are promoting infanticide and there will be a terrible price to pay for that at the end of your days. Just because you deny it is so does not make it less of a fact.
It’s seriously weird how the comments don’t show unless I respond.
“Yes, I often can’t see any comments unless I post one. Most be some glitch coming from changing servers. ”
Glad to know it’s not just me.
Oops, that should say , not Most.
Hard to hide being men-haters for radical femis.
Whats with the comments today? Should be must, not most! I swear I actually typed must before the comma and not just a blank space.
If women are to be spared the horrors often associated with unwanted pregnancies, men must be included in the discussion: they are usually the ones seeking the particular act leading to pregnancy.
Women are often scarred by unwanted pregnancies regardless of how the pregnancies end.
One thing you might want to think about is what would happen if a national referendum were held on abortion and only women were allowed to vote. Statistically, women are somewhat more likely than men to believe that abortion should be illegal.
Not Guilty’s argument is solely this: Men cannot get pregnant, so men should not be permitted to talk about abortion.
Even among abortion gangsters, this is a controversial position to take. (It is analogous to asserting that White persons cannot oppose slavery, because only Black persons could be slaves.)
But to pro-lifers, excluding men from the discussion is nonsensical. Every adult human being, both man and woman, was once a child. A child in the womb of his or her mother, even. So we have a natural solidarity with all human children, especially those who are at risk of suffering and murder. We cannot resist the urge to save them.
This is Not Guilty’s hidden point: He or she is asserting that human men have no right to protect human children.
Del: Even among abortion gangsters, this is a controversial position to take. (It is analogous to asserting that White persons cannot oppose slavery, because only Black persons could be slaves.)
:) Don’t you mean “gangstas”? ;)
To the above, I’d say, hey, wait a minute – white people could be slaves, and have been, at some times in some places.
You’re right, it’s a controversial position, and I’ve never agreed that men shouldn’t have their say on abortion – men, just like women, have their opinions.
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Not Guilty’s argument is solely this: Men cannot get pregnant, so men should not be permitted to talk about abortion.
I disagree, here. “I truly believe that if men were no longer allowed to speak on the topic of abortion, every country would be pro-choice.”
While I don’t agree, that “every country” would be, necessarily, there is plenty of historical precedent for the influence that men have had, through being in power much more than women, through religion, etc.
No way to know how things would be if men had never affected the legality of abortion. But would they be different? Oh yeah, I’d say so, same as if men could get pregnant.
I’m curious what Doug and Biggz and the other pro-abort men who frequent here think of Not Guilty’s little diatribe?
Sydney, I’ve always thought it kooky to say that “men shouldn’t have input since they can’t get pregnant,” as simple as that.
As to things being different if men had no input, or if they could get pregnant themselves, well yeah – definitely think that would be a big change.
So, because I’m not Jewish I can’t understand the evil of the Holocoaust?
That kind of understanding is what makes us human. Big bucket of duh.
With this sort of reasoning, CC actually could care about fetuses, because she once was one. I wonder what couyld have made her heart so cold and dark?
LOL, Xalisae. We ARE just getting warmed up.
Navi says: February 13, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Does this “Abortion Gang” website (very intimidating name!) have any male contributors?
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Just the limp wristed liberals, emasuclated, effeminate castrati and self made eunuchs. (Think Harry Reid, George Stephanopolous and/or mr. bo-jangles]