Pro-life Democrat who voted for Obamacare has regrets?
I would have never voted for the final version of the bill if I expected the Obama Administration to force Catholic hospitals and Catholic Colleges and Universities to pay for contraception….
We worked hard to prevent abortion funding in health care and to include clear conscience protections for those with moral objections to abortion and contraceptive devices that cause abortion. I trust that the President will honor the commitment he made to those of us who supported final passage.
~ Former Pennsylvania Congresswoman Kathy Dahlkemper, in a November Democrats for Life press release, as quoted by The Weekly Standard, February 7
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Feb.09, 2012 4:00 am |
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In order for him to “honor” his commitment, he would have to have some.
“Democrats for Life”??????? How’s that working out for you?
Please. All of these Catholics who voted for Obama put the blinders on, and most of them will still have their blinders on in November. They are Democrats first and Catholics second (or third), and there is nothing Obama could do that they would not overlook, aside from becoming a Republican.
I’m sure they have all their phony reasons set up in their minds for why they have to vote Obama again regardless of who the GOP nominee is. Probably something like this:
-I can’t vote for Romney because he’s a Mormon and Mormons are icky. At least Obama is a Christian
-I can’t vote for Santorum because he’s a warmongering torturer. Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize!
-I can’t vote for Gingrich because he’s a hypocrite. Obama’s not!
-I can’t vote for Ron Paul because he’s racist.
“Catholic” Democrats will use these very arguments to support their votes for Obama. They did it before and they will do it again.
I trust that the President will honor the commitment he made to those of us who supported final passage.
Foolish.
Courtney - I saw the phrase “Democrats for Life” and what instantly sprang to mind (and it never did before) was the idea – “once a Democrat, always a Democrat” – that is, a lifetime commitment to the Democratic party, regardless of how distorted their ideals might become.
IIRC – Dahlkemper was a signatory on the Stupak letter, yet caved when Obama issued his executive toilet paper order.
The president of the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod (LCMS), Matthew Harrison, issued a statement on the mandate:
“We are deeply distressed by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ (HHS) recent decision to require nearly all private health plans, including those offered by religious employers, to cover contraceptives. This will include controversial birth-control products such as “Ella” and the “morning after” pill, even though the Federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) warns that such drugs can cause the death of a baby developing in the womb. The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod (LCMS) objects to the use of drugs and procedures that are used to take the lives of unborn children, who are persons in the sight of God from the time of conception, and we are opposed to the HHS’ decision mandating the coverage of such contraceptives.”
The entire statement can be found at http://www.geneveith.com/2012/02/08/lcms-presidents-statement-on-hhs-mandate/
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Yeah for the LCMS!! My peeps! Thanks for the link, Eric!
Absolutely Courtnay,
So much for the troll lie that no major Protestant churches oppose the mandate.
“The president of the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod (LCMS), Matthew Harrison, issued a statement on the mandate”
Not surprising given that the LCMS is as conservative as the Catholic Church. It’s theology is very different from the Evangelical Lutheran Church which ordains women and gays and allows for abortion under certain circumstances.
BTW, the PPP did polling on this issue among Catholics and here’s what they found out:
Roughly 6-in-10 Catholics (58%) believe that employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception.
Among Catholic voters, support for this requirement is slightly lower at 52%.
Only half (50%) of white Catholics support this requirement, compared to 47% who oppose it.
Also, ”Younger Americans are much more supportive of the requirement. Nearly two-thirds (65%) of Millennials (age 18-29) agree that employer health care coverage should include contraception at no cost, compared to 4-in-10 (40%) seniors (age 65+)”
So there doesn’t appear to be a monolithic Catholic block. Most of the Catholics who oppose this policy are, presumably, not the Catholics who didn’t and won’t vote for Obama. They are “core” of the church; i.e. those Catholics who follow very dictate of the church and are actively anti-choice. Many of the liberal, Obama supporting Catholics are probably those who don’t attend church regularly but who still identify as Catholics. They also have no problem with birth control and are pro-choice. The bishops should show some cojones and excommunicate all these bad Catholics, including the pro-choice pols. The Church would then be a much smaller but much more hard core conservative entity. Problem with that is that the bishops would have a much smaller based to draw on for their contributions.
This is a women’s reproductive equality issue and we are owning it. The educated, comfortable, pro-choice non-Catholic women of the Philly suburbs and the Florida I-4 corridor won’t be supporting Catholic women on this issue. Already, a group of women senators and congressman have come out in support of the mandate. But as with the crusades and the religious wars in Europe, the bishops are fighting. But this time women will be fighting back.
I suppose the thread wouldn’t be complete without CC indulging her privilege. *eyeroll*
“Yeah for the LCMS!! My peeps! Thanks for the link, Eric”
Meanwhile, I just checked the website for the Episcopal Church and there is nothing about the mandate. As of today:
In contrast, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, National Association of Evangelicals, Southern Baptist and Lutheran Church — Missouri Synod leaders and others have condemned the mandate as an assault on religious liberty. Megachurch pastor Rick Warren has declared: “I’d go to jail rather than cave in to a government mandate that violates what God commands us to do.”
Other pro-choice religious leaders support the president:
“We believe that women and men have the right to decide whether or not to apply the principles of their faith to family-planning decisions, and to do so they must have access to services,” read a statement Wednesday from liberal religious leaders representing Reform and Conservative Jews, Methodist and Episcopal groups, among others. “The administration was correct in requiring institutions that do not have purely sectarian goals to offer comprehensive preventive health care.
I suppose the thread wouldn’t be complete without CC indulging her privilege. *eyeroll*
Right. I actually (LOL) got permission from my UCC friend to speak for her and her congregation. She informed me that the UCC are a “welcoming” and very pro-choice church. I know you don’t like to hear that as it conflicts with your world view that everybody shares your opinion on “life.” Word up – they don’t.
OVER 650 PHYSICIANS SPEAK OUT IN FAVOR OF CONTRACEPTION RULING | Over 650 physicians and medical students, including 70 self-identifying Catholics, from 49 statessigned an open letter to President Obama and Secretary Kathleen Sebelius urging them to maintain a recent HHS contraception rule providing women access to cost-free contraception through their insurers. The petition, which was drafted by grassroots organization Doctors for America, argues that “Women and their doctors should be allowed to make contracpetive decisions based on medical reasons and personal beliefs — not based on someone else’s religious doctrine.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/02/08/421603/over-650-physicians-speak-out-in-favor-of-contraception-ruling/
Memo to Dullklumper:
Catholic hospitals and universities already voluntarily provide contraceptives and abortifacient drugs. They’re not going to be vexed over a mandate to do so.
CC–are you one of those “confortable, educated” women? ROTFLMAO!!! What in the world did you say to a church? “Man, y’all are SO STUPID for believing in the healing power of Jesus, but at least you’re not as stupid as those crazy Catholics and Lutherans who want the baby-slaughter to stop.”
My goodness, I surely don’t have a law degree, but I DID read the bill and I DID see that this is what the Administration intended to do. Read a bill before you vote on it!
“Over 650 physicians and medical students…”
Even if this read 65 million physicians and medical students… so what? The fact that large numbers of Americans are willing to see free exercise of religion trampled doesn’t make it right or constitutional.
I believe a majority of Catholic Democrats are Catholics first. This betrayal by the President really hurts them deep down. I believe Congresswoman Kathy Dahlkemper is sincere. I believe that she thinks Obamacare would help the poor and that the Government was going to refrain from mandating practices that would go against the conscience of Catholics, and that freedom of religion would be protected. A lot of these Catholic Democrats find the Democratic Party’s support for abortion morally repugnant. For some, Obama’s betrayal on this issue may be the last straw. The GOP may get an influx of new voters.
1) Ms. Dahlkemper would not be uttering a word about this if she were still in office or had any further political aspirations. Actually, I’m wrong, she would be uttering many words, words of support for Obama and his ilk.
2) Do you think, CC, that the doctors who support birth control, especially the Pill, might get kickbacks for prescribing contraceptives? The Pill is handed out like candy as the miracle drug for everything from acne to birth control.
The Assembly of Orthodox Bishops in North and Central America signed a statement of protest against the HHS mandate. The chairman of that Assembly is Archbishop Demetrios Trakatellis, who sits on President Obama’s faith advisory council.
So take that, CC. You may be able to come up with some screwballs who are pro-murder and still have the nerve to pretend they’re Christians, but the truth will always come out with pro-woman and pro-life Christian leaders. No wonder the Episcopalians are dying out, they kill their own children!
I do feel sorry for all the pro-life Democrats who are realizing that they got played. I think they genuinely believed in Obama’s promise and just wanted to get more health care for the poor while protecting unborn life, and they got burned badly. The only thing to do is to stand with those who oppose this mandate, whether they voted for Obamacare or not.
cc and her comments are laughable anymore. ha shes a fool with a degree. id loooooove to see the cleveland clinic doctors debate her. they would chew you up and spit you out. baby and fetus are one in the same. if you shoot air into your vagina with a turkey baster you could give yourself an embolism. why would you think you are so smart yet do something so stupid. yeah cc come on out of the closet. you arent pro choice. you are a dark hearted pro death aboooooootion pimp! nothing will do but a dead baby.
“Other pro-choice religious leaders support the president”
I thought in order to be a leader, you have to have followers.
There are some good bishops in the Episcopal Church.
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2011/nov/21/sc-episcopal-diocese-releases-property-claim/
Check out this guy. He is a true liberal, unlike so many pretenders who aren’t liberal at all.
The distance between The Episcopal Church and the Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina widened last week when the diocese relinquished its legal oversight of all church property, sending what’s called a quitclaim deed to each parish.
The move merely formalizes an arrangement already in place, according to Bishop Mark Lawrence. “A quitclaim deed isn’t giving someone something they don’t have if they already own the deed,” he said.
and cc knock off that old tired ” Jewish people are pro choice.” im sitting in a doctors office next to my Jewish husband. ive told him everything youve said and if he could blog hed have a few choice words for you. he said you sound ignorant. and you said you went to a bar mitzvah for a girl and honey thats BAT mitzvah!!!!i my husband is pro life!
cc stop trying to be something youre not. youre not Jewish!!!!!! anyway to the DumbocRats…..they regret Obama….oh do they ever. i hear so many people now say that they never ever should have voted for him. a huge mall near me is tanking and another is closing shop by shop. sorry but you guys cant blame bush anymore. those days are over.
On the PP ‘silver’ ribbon (the ribbon’s actually gray colored) campaign web page the PP strategy includes pitting proLIFE Republicans against proLFIE Democrats and that’s how they think they will win the forthcoming election.
Serious pro-LIFERS see that there are many pro-abortion Republicans that will vote for obama and his other so-called ‘health care,’ initiatives that are pro-abortion, pro-abortifacent, and pro-mandated birth control (population control – AKA If you’re being MANDATED to consider a ‘choice’-you’re ‘choice’ has been chosen for you by the mandater-in this case it is obama and obama supporters – and incidentally, those who think this doesn’t affect them and are not speaking out or acting on any of what is going on the news.)
What proLIFE republicans might not see is that there are just as many pro-life dems that will vote republican if they feel they have enough in common with the rest of the party ideals.
After all this Mrs. Kathy Dahlkemper, trust’s obama???
To quote the venerable Rev. Walter Hoye
“Sister, we need to talk.” Pro-life Republicans take note; there are just as many proLIFE democrats as there are pro-abortion Republicans. It’s up to pro-lifers to unite on the issue of life in the next election, and the first step I think, is for pro-life/ catholic/ and conservative values type republicans to be considerate of the prolife democrats when discussing democrats in relation to obama and in general. Don’t believe there is a united front of prolife democrats out there?
See the issues4life.org website and obamanation.com. These people really get what Dr. King Jr. was all about and don’t try to ‘Buffalo Bill’ his voice.
“and cc knock off that old tired ” Jewish people are pro choice”
Right, Heather. All the polling data is wrong. Do you also believe the earth was created 6,ooo years ago? And yes, I made a typo on “Bar Mitzvah.” Mea Maxima Culpa.
“So take that, CC. You may be able to come up with some screwballs who are pro-murder and still have the nerve to pretend they’re Christians, but the truth will always come out with pro-woman and pro-life Christian leaders. No wonder the Episcopalians are dying out, they kill their own children.”
Oh, I do love the tolerance of the Christian pro-life movement that castigates those Christians and Jews who support a woman’s right to choose as “screwballs.” This comment underscores the image, in the mainstream community, of pro-lifers as a bunch of Christian bigots. And I assure you that while the numbers of the Episcopalian Church are declining, the rumors of its demise are greatly exaggerated. And I know that Catholic women are required to breed but they’re not breeding fast enough because the only reason why they’re population remains stable is because of the influx of Hispanics. One out of every 10 Americans is an ex-Catholic and reading the kind of commentary on this blog, the reason is very clear.
“Do you think, CC, that the doctors who support birth control, especially the Pill, might get kickbacks for prescribing contraceptives?”
Why not just the birth control pill? Are they getting “kickbacks” for other prescriptions?
Hey Courtnay, have you told your Episcopalian Priest neighbor that he’s a member of a baby killing church? I know that Heather would read him the riot act.
Wonder if all those Catholic women who use birth control will now be throwing away their pills?
And Heather, I keep asking you if you’ve spoke with any Reformed rabbis and you haven’t gotten back to me yet. A rabbi, representing RI’s Reformed community, stood with us at Planned Parenthood last spring.
Meanwhile, I just checked the website for the Episcopal Church and there is nothing about the mandate.
Oh snap! What about Unitarians? Are they on board? How about Scientologists and Pastafarians?!
“What about Unitarians? Are they on board?”
A woman Unitarian minister spoke out in support of the mandate on Bill O’Reilly’s show last night. As I said, if this were such a big deal in the Episcopal Church, it would be on their website as it is on the website for the USCCB. You really can’t deal with the reality that there are pro-choice religious groups, can you! Cognitive Dissonance alert!
cc i dont have to get back to you on anything. so the state of RI gave you a degree and they should have given you a dunce cap. you have a piece of paper…..big whoop
“What proLIFE republicans might not see is that there are just as many pro-life dems that will vote republican if they feel they have enough in common with the rest of the party ideals.”
Besides abortion, in what other areas has the Republican Party made changes that would appeal to pro-life Democrats, rather than repel them? If all they cared about was abortion, they would have already switched parties years ago.
It’s no surprise that the religious groups who most vehemently oppose this are those run by men. Those groups in which women are accepted as clergy don’t seem to have a problem with it. And funny, the Catholic Church in a number of states is already required to do this. So it’s a bit hypocritical of them to now voice their opposition.
and you have a lot of Jewish friends…lol….BIG WHOOP!
Actually, CC, Heather’s coming over later so we can go see Father Thomas together. He’s in for it.
But first, we’re gonna play with his dog, who is the BOMB as far as dogs go.
I live in the Episcopal Rome of the South. The Episcopalian church is in HUGE disarray, with lots of parishes choosing to belong to the African/Anglican communion. They have, like many churches had it with the social engineering of the last 60 years. My dad is an Episcopalian, born in 1933, and he doesn’t recognize his church anymore. So please, save the “everything is just so beautiful and unified in the liberal Prtestant world.” Come to Sewanee, TN, and I’ll show you how unified it is.
I saw that interview with OReilly last night (ooh, CC, we were watching at the same time. Giving me the warm fuzzies—NOT), and that woman Unitarian (ps–I was a religion major–they don’t believe in ANYTHING because they pretty much believe in EVERYTHING) came off a a Debbie Wasserman Schultz shill. It was a waste of time, for all of us.
Not only for me, but for many: this is our line in the sand.
Abortion is not the only thing I care about. That’s silly.
But it is the FIRST thing I care about.
SOCIAL JUSTICE BEGINS IN THE WOMB.
lol, I guess you didn’t get that my reference to Unitarians was a joke. Because that religion is a joke. Like Scientologists. Like Pastafarians.
Unitarian grace: Rubba Dub Dub, thanks for the grub.
I went to a Unitarian wedding recently. I’ve never seen a ceremony with light sabers, but it was pretty cool in a “lol, wedding” kinda way.
“It’s no surprise that the religious groups who most vehemently oppose this are those run by men. Those groups in which women are accepted as clergy don’t seem to have a problem with it.”
Oh, BIG SURPRISE that the churches that are the most faithful to the Christian tradition in matters of clergy would also be the most faithful to Christian teaching on abortion. Long, slow clap for you, CC, for finally picking up on that! LOL!
Light sabers? There’s nothing liturgical about light sabers. LOL!
I have no problem with men being priests and bishops because if we’re all equal, then it’s all good. I do believe that men and women are equal, but as all parents can tell you, even though all children are equal, they aren’t all identical.
If you have a problem with men being leaders, then perhaps you don’t merely think women are equal, but superior. Ah. And that, my friends, is the sin of pride.
The abortion advocates who hijacked the women’s movement confused ‘equal’ with ‘identical.’ That’s why they left their efforts for the E.R.A. in the dust and pursued abortion instead. Why? Because it’s a lot easier to kill the smallest and weakest than it is to keep fighting for equal pay for equal work. I know, cc, because I was there when feminists dropped the ball and abandonned the rest of us for feticide.
cc should remember that people who talk too much won’t be listened to just on that basis alone.
As for some of the other comments (couldn’t read them all–too many), it’s true but kind of cheap shot to say that Catholic Democrats put their party first. Everybody puts their party first, both Democrat & Republican, and if the don’t, they almost never get elected to higher office. It’s generally best not to belong to any party.
“One out of every 10 Americans is an ex-Catholic”
Yeah, and some kids raised with no religion join a religion later in life.
Plenty of protestants also turn catholic, or switch denominations. So what?
Dumb with a capital D. So goofy
What matters is that we love the Lord, and we take a stand for his principles. One of them is the sanctity of human life, and that will never change, because HE never changes.
from Courtnay, one of those ex-Catholics who is now LCMS but never sold out to the whacked out idea that I could be liberated through the death of my child, AND who still very much loves and respects the Catholic Church.
:)
CC says:
Wonder if all those Catholic women who use birth control will now be throwing away their pills?
This is a really good point. No doubt there were many Catholic women that had no clue contraception was against Church teaching. (Sad, I know. But true.)
This is a great resource for anyone deciding to get off contraception and start NFP.
http://www.omsoul.com/catalog/what-do-we-do-now-p712.html
What about the Pastafarians? Aren’t they the ones who believe in the flying spaghetti monster?
“Pro-(abortion)choice religious leaders”? oxymoron, at least for Jews and Christians. There is more support in the Bible for polygamy than there is for abortion and we don’t do polygamy anymore. There is more support in the Bible for slavery than there is abortion and we don’t do slavery anymore. There is no way a Jewish or Christian leader could find religious justification for killing a human being made in the LORD’s image. And yes, I read the silly polemics at the RCRC website. The Bible is full of condemnation for the child sacrifice prevalent in the Middle Eastern cultures surrounding Israel. When Israel adopted those practices during the time of Jeremiah and Isaiah, the LORD allowed their land to be devastated. He will not be mocked by our modern day child sacrifice. The LORD does not change divine law by the outcome of opinion polls.
@Lrning, yes I am one of those women. Very poor formation and had no idea of the Church’s teaching on contraception. Reading the whole section on human sexuality in the catechism as well as Humane Vitae was an eye opener. Here’s what I don’t understand, though. If 98% of Catholic women/couples are contracepting, whether intentionally or not realizing it’s grave matter, why is it not spoken out against by our clergy? I never ever hear a homily about the real meaning of human sexuality within the confines of a sacramental marriage.
People don’t get it – it doesn’t matter what percentage of adherents to a religion follow a teaching (I call HUGE bs on that 98% stat btw). Faith formation and compliance is the problem of the leaders of the faith in question (Doe – agree completely – we need to do a better job of this). The issue is whether the government can force people to violate the tenets of their faith. Can it say, your faith is protected on Sunday, but once you leave your church, you can be forced to violate it – to purchase something that directly contradicts the teachings of your religion. If you are answering yes to that question, then you truly have a very warped view of the religious freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution.
oh yeah those last 3 posts say it all! especially Barbs!!! any person in the pulpit who condones abortion is a very misguided human being. example…we had a pastor at a local church here downloading tons and tons of child porn. now since hes a pastor hes right in doing so and ought to teach others that kiddie porn is okay. WRONG!