Georgetown student to Sandra Fluke: “Have some self-respect”
Sandra, I hope you take to heart our school’s motto of “Cura Personalis” – care of the whole person. You are so much more than your reproductive organs.
Please, have some self-respect and take responsibility for your choices instead of having to beg the government for help. The government should not be able to force a religious institution – like the one we attend – to pay for the things they don’t believe in. That is pretty clear in the first amendment.
But since you missed the ten commandments I can’t expect you to read the Bill of Rights either.
~ Georgetown student Angela Morabito (pictured above left), in response to fellow student Sandra Fluke’s (pictured above right) recent statements in support of free contraceptives, as quoted by Blue State Failure, March 5
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
If those who consider themselves feminists are concerned about the image of women as truly strong, intelligent, mature, and responsible, then Ms Morabito should be their hero rather than Ms Fluke.
I can’t believe we didn’t see or hear Ms Morabito’s comments on CNN or MSNBC. They are, after all, news organizations that provide balanced reporting of the issues, right? Did I miss something?
Maybe Pelosi should call Ms. Morabito in front of a congressional panel.
Somebody should do a peer review study on the huge increase in divorce among people married twenty years could be due to women leaving their husbands at menopause when they get off their hormones.
im beginning to agree that Fluke was a plant. birth control is NOT health care! she asked for a hand out. dont tell me shes an educated but stupid law student who cant get to a PP for her birth control. isnt it free for the poor? yeah right. its fake. most of the country was ripped apart by tornados yet Obama had enough time to call Fluke about this issue. ???????? it makes zip nadda sense!
What a wonderful quote. I wonder how it would be met if I posted it in the teacher’s lounge?
and Fluke was reckless and irresponsible as she failed to address “the pill” causes breast cancer /nd does not prevent STDs. if you need birth control pills then chances are you arent using a condom. for a woman who wants to be taken seriously who could? its laughable if shes serious.
if anyone has to pay for her birth control is she going to pay it back after school? let her boyfriend(s) pay for using her. if she were a single mother asking for her childs day care to be paid for until she finished school shed be the laughing stock! pay for your own BC lady. heck like i said pp gives it out for free dont they?
Even if Fluke isn’t a plant, she is a smokescreen and irrelevant. Someone on the left realized they would loose this discussion if they let it be about the Obama administration trying to railroad religious freedom. Fluke is attempting to make it “Conservatives are anti-birth control.” Morabito’s comment is absolutely exquisite in that it correctly identifies the problem with Fluke’s argument (i.e., having other people pay for your activities, be they sexual or anything else, is the opposite of liberated and independent) and returns the focus to the First Amendment. Where it ought to be.
Sandra Fluke does not matter to this conversation one tiny bit. However much sex she’s had or birth control she buys, it does not alter the problem with the mandate–the violation of religious freedom. The best possible response we can have to her is to ignore her, not give her comments any credence, and treat her as the irrelevant, ancillary item that she is in this context.
one last thing….i wouldnt ever want her to be my lawyer. shes one of those women who can read from a book and pass law school but she cant manage to get to PP for her “healthcare”????? nope shes got no common sense. its like joan always thinks shes so educated and smart. joan if you didnt want a pregnancy then didnt you at least try a condom? you werent “smart” enough to avoid the hands of the abortionist? sorry joan. you put me down. now its my turn. most smart women would use a condom to avoid pregnancy. you didnt know that?
well Fluke is the one asking for the hand out. i still want to know if she gets her way is she gonna pay it back once she becomes some big shot lawyer?
Post it, Praxedes!
“the pill” causes breast cancer
No it doesn’t and I challenge you to provide a source for this non-scientific assertion.
“well Fluke is the one asking for the hand out.”
Hand out – she’s already paying for health insurance through Georgetown so why should she have to go Planned Parenthood? She’s not asking for “government help.” What she asking for is fairness. Secular companies, if they cover prescription drugs, are mandated via Title XII to also cover birth control pills.
And one more time for all the Rushbots who take his statements at face value.
At no time during her testimony did she reference her own sexual activity. She did speak about a woman, a lesbian, who lost an ovary due to Georgetown’s recalcitrance in covering the birth control pills ($100/month) because they weren’t convinced that she wasn’t using them for birth control.
For those who haven’t bothered to read Fluke’s comments, they are here.
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/02/16/testimony-chairman-issa-doesnt-want-you-to-hear
However much sex she’s had or birth control she buys, it does not alter the problem with the mandate–the violation of religious freedom.
But for Rush and the pro-life movement, it’s always all about the sex. And religious freedom – scuse me – why wasn’t the Catholic Church fighting the “religious freedom” argument when 28 states mandated that, with an exception for staff of churches and solely religious organizations, employers, including Catholic entities, cover birth control? There has already been a court decision, in California, which ruled that Catholic Charities were obligated to comply with the law.
Well said Alice.
Ms. Fluke justification for the mandate falls seriously short of the mark.
As reported in Mother Jones, Morabito is as clueless and sexually obsessed as Rush
“No one forced Sandra to come to Georgetown. And now that she has, Sandra does not have to depend on the university health plan. She could walk down the street to CVS and get some contraception herself. Or, go to an off-campus, non-university doctor and pay for it out of pocket. (Or, you know . . . maybe not have so much sex that it puts her in financial peril?”
Now I understand that Ms. Morabito, as a good Catholic single gal, is practicing abstinence. But that doesn’t excuse her ignorance of how contraception works. It doesn’t matter how many partners one has, there’s only prescription per month.
And shouldn’t Morabito, as a deeply religious gal, be cognizant about “false witness?” While she didn’t slut shame in the same way as Limbaugh, she got pretty close.
”Sandra doesn’t even speak for all skanks! She only speaks for the skanks who don’t want to take responsibility for their choices. ”
Wow, so classy. She must be an awesome Catholic – a real role model for purity.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/03/limbaugh-not-only-conservative-who-fails-understand-how-birth-control-works
CC – here ya go: http://www.bcpinstitute.org/epidemiology_studies_bcpi.htm
If the pill does not cause cancer, why is it listed as a carcinogen by the American Cancer Society? Does the ACS typically list carcinogens that aren’t actually carcinogens, in your experience?
If you’d done five seconds of research, CC, you’d know the lie about the existing state birth control mandates has already been addressed by the bishops, here:
6.The federal mandate is much stricter than existing state mandates. HHS chose the narrowest state-level religious exemption as the model for its own.That exemption was drafted by the ACLU and exists in only 3 states (New York, California, Oregon). Even without a religious exemption, religious employers can already avoid the contraceptive mandates in 28 states by self-insuring their prescription drug coverage, dropping that coverage altogether, or opting for regulation under a federal law (ERISA) that pre-empts state law.The HHS mandate closes off all these avenues of relief.
Please educate yourself, because when you spout off tired rhetoric that’s been refuted time and time again, you come across as ignorant.
CC, how is Morabito ignorant of how contraception works? What did she say that was inaccurate?
uuummmmm the majority of women take the pill to prevent pregnancy. i dont listen to Rush so count me out on that one. what he said wasnt right but i want to see the left apologize for plenty of the intolerant things they have said about Palin and her family and Bill Maher should apologize for many of the vulger things hes said. likewise joy behar and joan rivers. Oh yeah thats right they wont..so lets all just move on. oh and btw Rush did apologize. hes human and he slipped up. Now on that note GET OVER IT!
“She did speak about a woman, a lesbian, who lost an ovary due to Georgetown’s recalcitrance in covering the birth control pills ($100/month) because they weren’t convinced that she wasn’t using them for birth control.”
Funny, when I have complaints about how my college runs things, I take it up with them, not Congress.
Wait, loans for birth control…paid back with interest? You may have something there.
I think Fluke’s a plant and a distraction. She’s the first toot in the parade of woe-is-me stories birth-control-saved-my-life*. They’re going to get frequent and shrill before November. The plan still violates the 1st Amendment and insults people with unavoidable health issues.
(score extra points for using a lesbian friend as an example- go lib PR machine!)
Thanks for the link!
I’m calling BS on the whole “lost an ovary” story. NFP-only doctors treat the entire range of women’s health issues, including PCOS, without resorting to the use of contraceptives. Did she simply refuse the other treatment options available to her for some bizarre reason?
Additionally, the Pill does NOT treat or cure PCOS; it only masks the symptoms. I can’t tell you how many women I know who were put on the pill to alleviate symptoms of PCOS, only to find out years later that their years of contraceptive use had actually WORSENED their condition and made it extremely difficult to achieve pregnancy.
oh and didnt Chris Matthews from Hardball make a racial blunder about Obama? i didnt hear people chanding in the streets for his apology. nope whoopie cushion ( i gave myself 4 abortions with a coathanger) ran to his defense and the matter was dropped. hahaha liberalism IS a mental disorder.
i agree JoAnna……i doubt it. eh my above post should say Whoopie Goldberg and chanting.
JoAnna Kate Ninek and all else…….yep Fluke is a fraud! another puppett for Obama. Oh and speaking of apologies I almost forgot liberal Sandra Bernhard in her “comedy” act wishing Palin to be raped by a gang of black men. I couldnt get on the other thread where people were asking for apologies. the LEFT has plenty of apologies to make. and let me not forget Penn Jilette ( sp? who knows who cares) he owes an apology to Catholics for the vulger things he had to say about Mother Theresa.
Good point Joanna. I don’t have an NFP-only doctor, but my doc had mentioned PCOS when I had irregular cycles, and he said the most effective treatment for PCOS was metformin, which is not an oral contraceptive.
Since this woman is a lesbian, and therefore probably not worried about unplanned pregnancy, I don’t know why BCP would have been her first choice.
yup they played the lesbian card to spin us. they dont want us to believe this is all about women who want to have sex. they want us to believe its all about healthcare. i wouldnt be a bit surprised if Obama didnt write the letter himself and hand it to Miss Fraud Fluke.
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JoAnna
I agree Ms’ Fluke’s PCOS example is light on details.
Usually women with PCOS have other medical conditions such as Type 2 diabetes, and suffer from obesity.
Do you know the treatment that NFP doctors provide?
mp
do you want to silence Rushbo?
Would ruining his career satisfy your desire for revenge?
do you want to silence Rushbo?
Limbaugh is destroying himself and, I must say, it’s enjoyable to watch.
does the mp stand for moot point? say mp is it okay with you that hard core lib sandra bernhard wished rape on Palin from a “group of black men” dont you find that a tad racial?
Isn’t it interesting that Bill Maher can call conservative women the “c” word and no one bats an eye?
Bernhard refused to apologize. mp is that okay that she made racist remarks ….almost as bad as micheal richards. i wanna know is that ok mp?
I don’t get the point. I don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh, so I don’t care what he says. The people who are all up in arms over this probably didn’t listen to him much either, so why do they care?
Not to mention, he’s a radio talk show host who is famous for being outrageous. It’s not like he was a member of Congress saying this on the Senate floor–he has no influence over the law any more than you or I do.
does the mp stand for moot point? say mp is it okay with you that hard core lib sandra bernhard wished rape on Palin from a “group of black men” dont you find that a tad racial?
I don’t even know what you’re talking about, but will say that it seems everyone who disagrees with you people is labeled a “leftist.”
And I find that amusing because, as a dyed-in-the-wool capitalist through-and-through, I was a conservative when most of you were merely twinkles in your parents’ eyes.
And equally sad is the fact that most of you don’t even know what a conservative is.
mp i asked you a question. is it ok that bernhard made racial remarks? its a simple ?
i never said i was a conservative mp so why dont you explain to me what one is. and then explain liberal. thanks
mp i asked you a question. is it ok that bernhard made racial remarks? its a simple ?
You asked me a question and I answered it.
My answer was: I don’t know what you’re talking about.
kel maher says the C word? wow hes one pi$$ed off guy. i will tell you why its all of a sudden about rush….because libs want another apology.
i never said i was a conservative mp so why dont you explain to me what one is. and then explain liberal. thanks
Yeah, right. I’m dealing with a child of the internet here.
Start by reading “Conscience of a Conservative” and get back to me.
mp she said ” ! hope Sarah Palin gets raped by a bunch of black men.” okay there i told you.
mp im anti abortion. thats all. now how about Bernhard Maher and company. should they apologize? if not why not?
mp im anti abortion. thats all. now how about Bernhard Maher and company. should they apologize? if not why not?
Again, I don’t even know what you’re talking about.
well mp ive explained it twice. i guess you dont get much. like i said before …. moot point
Let me start off by saying that I found Rush Limbaugh’s comments reprehensible.
However, I don’t understand Ms. Fluke. Georgetown is a very good school, and I assume that if she was admitted there, she could have gotten into other selective law schools. She knows that Georgetown is a Catholic institution, and follows the policies of the Catholic Church regarding contraception, so why would she go there if she obviously disagrees with said policies? Should I go into a kosher restaurant and sue because they won’t serve me a nice, juicy ham steak? (I realize that’s a rather weak analogy, but I think you get the picture)
And no, I’m not Catholic!
As for Sandra Bernhardt, her statement was incredibly offensive and racist — you know, not only are black men rapists, but they will rape on command — yet NO ONE called her out on it. No one! What a double standard.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-09-19/gossip/17905157_1_governor-sarah-palin-alaskan-governor-republican-vp
Tylef, my older sister has PCOS and does not have diabetes, AND she is actually underweight. She has struggled with public misconceptions about PCOS since being diagnosed nearly 15 years ago.
There is a lot more to talk about here than whether this woman fits the common stereotypical symptoms of this syndrome.
omg thank you phillymiss THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! this was said quite some time ago by Bernhard and where was the outrage??????? i dont find her funny to begin with BUT it was a racist remark and shes still welcome anywhere in Hollow wood!
Alexandra
a friend of mine was both obese and had Type 2
Dr. Laura was pulled off the air as she should have been. and i doubt Bernhard has any ” big black brothers ” why didnt she say white? there are plenty of white rapists after all. now if Bernhard were on the right and made remarks like this about Fluke…the left would be calling for her to be fired forever! she still should be! but the left doesnt hold their side accountable for their actions.
Tyler – Alexandra is correct. From PCOSupport: “…approximately 60% of women with PCOS have weight management issues which can lead to obesity with only normal caloric intake. […] However, it’s important to note that 40% of women with PCOS are of normal weight, or even fall under a normal weight range.”
From the same article, under “Myths about PCOS”: “Birth control pills cure PCOS. FALSE”
From the University of Chicago: “Many therapies target specific symptoms of polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), but may not address the underlying cause.” First on the list of standard therapies? Birth control pills. If you read further down, it talks about how Metformin is becoming the standard PCOS treatment because it actually addresses the problem if insulin resistance, which is suspected to be the root cause of PCOS.
I would ask Ms. Fluke: why was her PCOS friend not being treated for her illness, and how did the lack of oral contraceptives (not a treatment of PCOS!) cause her to lose an ovary? Her story does not add up.
NaProTechnology has made some major breakthroughs in treating infertility and its causes, PCOS among them, but few non-Catholic doctors seem to know about it despite the fact that its success rate trumps that of IVF or IUI for achieving pregnancy.
the left doesnt hold their side accountable….not even when it comes to paying for their own abortions or birth control.
“If the pill does not cause cancer, why is it listed as a carcinogen by the American Cancer Society? Does the ACS typically list carcinogens that aren’t actually carcinogens, in your experience?”
LOL, the American Cancer Society website also lists “naturally occuring exposures and household and workplace exposures as “known and probable human carcinogens. Guess we need to stop breathing in order to prevent cancer. They do note that
“Estrogen-progestogen oral contraceptives (combined) (Note: There is also convincing evidence in humans that these agents confer a protective effect against cancer in the endometrium and ovary)”
There’s also this caveat:
“Looking at the list below can tell you whether or not something may increase your risk of cancer, but it is important to try to get an idea of how much it might increase your risk. It is also important to know what your risk is to begin with. Many factors can enter into this, including your age, gender, family history, and lifestyle factors (tobacco and alcohol use, weight, diet, physical activity level, etc.). As noted above, the type and extent of exposure to a substance may also play a role. You should consider the actual amount of increased risk when deciding if you should limit or avoid an exposure”
And http://www.bcpinstitute.org/epidemiology_studies_bcpi.htm is a compilation of studies regarding the link between breast cancer and abortion. BTW, the “breast cancer prevention institute (a 501 (C) 3) seems to be an anti-choice agenda driven group whose focus on the alleged link between breast cancer and abortion.
How’s about some data from the CDC, the NIH, or the American Medical Association.
And while the bishops make an interesting case regarding the opt-outs, the reality is that many Catholic institutions are complying with the state mandates. Why wasn’t there an uproar at the time that these mandates were put in place. Why aren’t these entities (DePaul for one) being punished by their church.
Please educate yourself, because when you spout off tired rhetoric that’s been refuted time and time again, you come across as ignorant and rather supercilious. You also reveal yourself to be another mindless tool of the Catholic bishops and their medieval, misogynistic theology.
“mp i asked you a question. is it ok that bernhard made racial remarks? its a simple”
Sandra Bernhardt’s comment certainly didn’t have the impact that Rush’s did. Rush has a nationally syndicated news program with a far greater audience than Bernhardt or Bill (that’s his name Heather) Maher. Obviously their comments were vile. But Maher is a satiris, on a pay for cable channel, who smeared a public political figure. Fluke is a citizen who was expressing an opinion. Rush spent four days attacking her including asking her for sex tapes.
CC: “It doesn’t matter how many partners one has, there’s only prescription per month.”
— and you have to keep taking those pills again and again. But remember: Natural Family Planning is “intrusive.” // sarc
“Additionally, the Pill does NOT treat or cure PCOS; it only masks the symptoms”.
Women’s Health states that the pill can be used to treat PCOS
http://www.womenshealth.gov/publications/our-publications/fact-sheet/polycystic-ovary-syndrome.cfm
But Dr.(?) Alice knows so much more than the Dept. of HHS.
– and you have to keep taking those pills again and again. But remember: Natural Family Planning is “intrusive.” // sarc
Whether it’s NFP or hormonal birth control, it’s up to the woman. But if it were up to the bishops, there would only be NFP. Right?
And FYI, NOW did complain about Maher’s disgusting Palin comment.
haha and NOW complained about Mahers comments. its Bill cc ( thats his name ) and they only did so after soooooooooo many women demanded them to. and i dont think maher ever apologized. i wouldnt know. ive only watched Real Time once. i guess he and anne coulter get along though.
yes cc did you see where Joy Behar made a remark about the Jews saying ” oh im sure they used humor to get through those long days in the concentration camps.”
cc do you think Joy Behar should be allowed to stay on ” the view ” after that one? i guess Sherry Shepard was outraged and said ” are you serious? i dont think humor was a part of their day.” Joy said ” well i sure do.” how is this blabbermouth still on TV?
CC, I notice you’re unable to refute the data presented; all you can do is cast what you believe to be a slur at the organization presenting the information. Again, ignorance. Why not judge the data on its merits? I’m guessing because you’re too afraid of what the data shows. The CDC et al are in the pocket of the pharmeceutical industry, so of course they don’t want to publicize the link. The National Cancer Institute researcher who changed her opinion about the link between breast cancer, the pill, and abortion certainly wasn’t publicized. Pfizer, the PP Mafia, et al don’t want their bottom line impacted.
Your comments about the treatment of PCOS (as opposed to treating the SYMPTOMS of PCOS) also display your ignorance. Your own link states that BCPs can only manage the symptoms; they do not treat the actual illness. Again, please educate yourself.
“the reality is that many Catholic institutions are complying with the state mandates.”
So if some will voluntarily violate their faith, all should be forced to by the government?
“Why wasn’t there an uproar at the time that these mandates were put in place.”
There was. In NY in particular a lawsuits were filed, one that went to the state supreme court. When they lost, many Catholic institutions went the route of self-insurance or dropped prescription coverage, avenues which, as noted above, are closed by Obamacare.
“Why aren’t these entities (DePaul for one) being punished by their church.”
That’s the Church’s problem. Not an invitation for the government to step in and say “b/c you have some disobedient entities and parishioners, we’ve decided we can force you to buy something that violates your faith.
Oh, I get it, some people can be called Sl*ts and some can’t, and it’s up to libs and abortion advocates to decide who?
I can’t believe how the abortion fans get right in line with the party rhetoric. Are you all on the same email list.
How did the memo read?
“Good morning socialists, feminazis, and abortion fans! Today we have a golden opportunity to be hypocritical about who gets called a sl*t in the media. Here’s the password: public figures may be called whatever as long as we define who a public figure is. The rest of us are professional victims. Thanks for toe-ing the line!!”
“If the pill does not cause cancer, why is it listed as a carcinogen by the American Cancer Society? Does the ACS typically list carcinogens that aren’t actually carcinogens, in your experience?”
The combined pill increase’s one’s risk of getting cancer–at most–by 2-4%. I’d lay off the booze and shed the mommy tummy before getting hyped up about OCs.
“Oh, I get it, some people can be called Sl*ts and some can’t, and it’s up to libs and abortion advocates to decide who?”
No one said that. I haven’t seen anyone here defend Bill Maher or anyone else calling someone a slut or any other such insult.
But you can’t compare an extremely influential, nationally-syndicated radio host who is taken dead seriously by his listening audience to some late-night HBO comedian. You might as well try to deflect Rush’s appalling barrage of insults towards a college student by pointing out that Richard Pryor or George Carlin said nasty stuff too. It’s a stupid, false comparison.
And when that 2-4% is combined with other risk factors (genetics, et al)? Dangerous. Given that I have a family history of breast cancer (my maternal grandmother died from it; my maternal great-grandmother was a survivor after a double masectomy), I’d prefer to do everything I can to decrease my risk, not increase it, even by small amounts.
As for my “mommy tummy” – I’m still waiting for the Obama administration to pay for my gym membership and a personal trainer so I can get rid of it, if it’s so dangerous. But wait! The Obama administration is only willing to pay me to sterilize myself, not to actually get healthier.
joan – I take it, then, you believe the Obama administration should return the $1 million donation received from Bill Maher’s Super PAC? $1 million seems pretty influential to me.
They could form their own group:
MISOGYNISTS WITH MONEY. We’re liberals; we can say whatever we want.
Super PAC’s are independent organizations and are prohibited by the FEC from coordinating with political figures or campaigns, so that’s not the Obama administration’s call to make.
“The Obama administration is only willing to pay me to sterilize myself, not to actually get healthier.”
False. The ACA mandates coverage of a whole host of preventive services, including diet counseling: http://www.healthcare.gov/news/factsheets/2010/07/preventive-services-list.html.
I love the idiots who claim that Limbaugh is some sort of leader in the Republican party in a way that Maher is not for Democrats. As if HBO is not national syndication, and as if people do not take Maher/Stewart/et al seriously, and as if Maher’s comments are somehow unique among liberals in their view of women. If I had a dollar for every insulting, degrading, misogynistic thing you hear famous liberals say, I could tell Warren Buffett to go suck an egg. Rush Limbaugh does precisely what Maher does, only he doesn’t agree with the liberals and that makes them crazy.
And that’s long before we get into the fact that if someone had as much sex as Fluke claims to have had, yes, they would be a slut. Not to mention incapable of walking anymore*. This idea that any time anyone points out that “X behavior is slutty” when it is in fact just that equals “slut shaming” needs to DIAF. No, women should not be made to feel bad for enjoying sex. But “enjoying” and “twenty-plus hours a week having sex” are two incredibly different things.
* I say this not because if her statements are true she would be remarkably sore–though that is true as well. Instead, it is because walking is actually a skill that you have to practice, or else you can forget how. Most of us don’t notice this because we do practice walking every day, but this is why astronauts all walk very slowly when they get off the shuttle. It’s not because they are dignified and heroic, it’s because they are afraid of falling on their noses. If you do the math for Ms. Fluke’s supposed sexual exploits, she would have barely had time to eat, let alone walk anywhere, and would probably need some time in rehab to recover the ability.
courtnay lol love it! ah the elite liberal snobs. yes and cc just gave Bernhard a free pass to be a racist based on audience size. lmao! oh man and like she knew how many people were listening that night. and i dont expect any behar bashing either. i guess if youre the ex lesbian lover of Madonna ( Bernhard) or if your last name sounds Jewish (Behar is an ex catholic) you get a free pass!!!!!
alice great comment!
courtnay im gonna start callin them the mwm mob!
“insults towards a college student”
Oh, look! Another protected class! You can call Diane Sawyer a **** or you can call Sarah Palin a ****, but NO!!! YOU MAY NOT call a woman who is in grad school, 30 years old, anything because SHE IS ON SOME KIND OF ENDANGERED SPECIES LIST!!
OK, well then I’ll only call names to famous people because gee, if your famous YOU DESERVE TO BE INSULTED. Only the slightly less famous may not be offended. So, does this mean that has-been entertainers can be insulted once their star fades? What about college professors? Some of them are rather more public, can I insult them with unpunity? How about the lady at the DMV? Can I call her a **** if she makes me wait too long? As long as I don’t say it on national radio or television, right?
Gosh, it’s just so hard to decide who the professional victims are!!
What about Obama’s comment about his bowling? He said it was like “Special Needs Olympics” on the Leno show. Seems that if people are upset about all these other comments, the number one should be the GROSSNESS of Obama making fun of disabled people!! He said he was sorry for making the comment…and people have moved on and forgotten. Why wasn’t he asked to step down like everyone is asking the Senator who sent a racist joke and everyone else who makes a poor comment??
Joan, did you seriously just claim that the Obama administration is FORCED to accept donations from Super PACs?
Megan, diet counseling and obesity screening/counseling are all well and good (although since I’ve had my insurance plan since before September 2010, they’re not covered for me anyhow).
I notice the diet counseling is only for adults at higher risk for chronic disease, so who knows if I’d qualify. (According to my OB/GYN, I’d have to have a first-degree maternal relative with breast cancer — my mother, or an aunt — to be considered high risk for breast cancer.)
But notice that I specifically said personal trainer and gym membership. (I already count calories and try to make healthy food choices, so diet counseling would do jack and squat for me.) Counting calories alone won’t rid me of the mommy tummy unless I drastically reduced my caloric intake, and I can’t do that because I’m breastfeeding right now.
Oh, I just realized that DAN AKROYD owes JANE CURTAIN one HUGE apology!!!! How dare he use HATE SPEECH to get a laugh!??
“Joan, you ignorant ****. Let Emily finish her story.” Wow, that works, I’m laughing already.
oh allie id forgotten about that. and Bill Maher does that ALL the time. he makes snide remarks like ” tard ” and “retarded” and mocks those kids. and his favorite all time invention? “george bush is like a little retaded kid.” where is the humor? Maher is a bully with his own show.
ha yeah well sarah palin has been called a stupid sl*t by plenty and her daughter bristol has been called stupid fat and talentless by plenty more. none of its true but they dont hold their breath for an apology. even talentless margaret choe took a swing. bernhardt and choe slammed them for what reason? for being pro life.
i have a correction to make. if your an ex lover of Madonna you are allowed to be a washed up comedian who can get as vulger as she likes or you become best pals with Hugo Chavez…dont worry sandra sean penn lost his mind right along with you!
I’d lay off the booze and shed the mommy tummy before getting hyped up about OCs.
How’d you get rid of your mommy tummy, Megan?
“But notice that I specifically said personal trainer and gym membership.”
I got the point, JoAnna. You think birth controls is absolutely frivolous and you shouldn’t have to pay for it. But how many kids do you have again? Are they all insured? Because last I checked, having kids is no less “elective” than preventing their conception. You better thank your lucky stars there isn’t a rabid pack of environmentalists in your insurance pool who would most certainly oppose to unfettered human reproduction.
the funny part is that all of these elite liberals come out with their anti war and anti bullying adds and then the majority of celebs do just that….BULLY people whove done nothing but express love of God and a different POV.
Oh Praxedes, I didn’t even have one, because the proto-human shacked up inside me for <6 weeks was not much bigger than a wheat thin. But thanks for your concern–I know it probably kills you that other people aren't shackled to regret, misery and a massive control freak complex.
Jo Anna,
I wouldn’t even bother addressing Megan’s immature low-blow remarks if I were you. YOU are the one with CLASS and MATURITY.
Things Megan can only aspire to.
(*sigh*) I don’t suppose it’d help if I exhorted everyone to stop feeding the trolls?
By the way, Tyler: I replied to your question (at long last) on the other thread (re: “Rick is Right”):
March 6, 2012 at 10:14 am
yes it all comes so clear. liberals can say and do whatever BUT conservatives are scolded and thrown off of their shows. they are made to make countless apologies. i can be fair and say that indeed many deserved it BUT libs get each others backs and its back to work on Monday as usual. the libs need to start paying for their actions.
Megan, I have four children on earth and two souls in heaven. My living kids are all insured. Our reproduction is not “unfettered;” thanks to the beauty of NFP, I can name the exact dates each was conceived. I feel sorry for women like Ms. Fluke who seem to feel that their fertility is a burden to be damaged or destroyed as opposed to a gift to be cherished and celebrated.
Thankfully, President “Babies Are Punishments” Obama and Kathleen “Less is More” Sebelius have not succeeded in proposing or passing any legislation limiting the number of children any given couple may have – yet. Give them time.
But I’m glad we agree that people should not be forced to pay for the frivolous lifestyle choices of others. I hope you’ll oppose the HHS mandate in the future.
“Joan, did you seriously just claim that the Obama administration is FORCED to accept donations from Super PACs?”
The Obama administration/campaign did not receive the donation, an independent Super PAC that works on behalf of them did. By federal regulations, Super PAC’s cannot coordinate with campaigns or candidates. Do you understand what I’m saying now? Barack Obama did not, and cannot, directly receive a million-dollar campaign donation from anyone, therefore he has nothing to return to Bill Maher, and cannot instruct any Super PAC to return anything because that would violate campaign finance regulations.
…….and Fluke needs to pay for her own BC. its not a need like food shelter and water. its BC! if shes saying shes so out of control that she cant control her sexual urges then perhaps she should speak to a therapist. many women go through sexual droughts. its never killed them that im aware of. like i said….ask that guy to meet you half way on your BC and if he refuses then dump him!
Oh, for heaven’s sake, joan. Are you really that obtuse or is it just an act? Fine, let me rephrase. Do you think that Obama should request that the Super PAC dedicated to getting him reelected return the donation from Bill Maher’s Super PAC, given Maher’s misogynistic, obscene and unflattering remarks about Sarah Palin and other conservative women?
Abortion worshippers are such sheeple.
There was a lady columnist on a Fox program that was a guest, she’s a liberal. She actually said that women should be offended no matter WHO calls them a gender-specific slur. She and the conservative lady both had a wonderful meeting of the minds on the subject. I can’t remember her name, though. But it was a breath of fresh air! Two ladies, who’ve both received plently of slurs in their careers, coming to the reasonable conclusion that when ANYONE liberal or conservative uses their free speach to offend women, they shouldn’t get a free pass. They specifically mentioned that Bill Maher shouldn’t get a free pass. They DIDN’T AGREE with the rhetoric that Rush is naughty because Fluke is a hapless college coed and Maher is not naughty because Sarah Palin is famous and she deserves it.
And by the way, I don’t think Fluke is a slut. I think she’s a PAWN.
“The CDC et al are in the pocket of the pharmeceutical industry”
It’s a conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it any coinky dink that this was the same university where Obama made them cover up all the Catholic symbols and art before he spoke so they wouldn’t be in the photos behind him??
Me wonders if they rejected him oh so many years ago and he’s still holding a grudge.
“I love the idiots who claim that Limbaugh is some sort of leader in the Republican party in a way that Maher is not for Democrats”
Oh, do love the delusions here. Maher is hardly the equivalent of Limbaugh who was the features speaker at CPAC (important GOP conclave) couple of years ago. Republicans are loathe to criticize Limbaugh lest they be castigated by him. Maher is just an HBO satirist who espouses more of a libertarian view. I guess you folks don’t watch him because if you did, you would see that he occasionally lampoons Obama.
“And that’s long before we get into the fact that if someone had as much sex as Fluke claims to have had, yes, they would be a slut.”
When did she claim that. I’ve posted her verbatim testimony. Please cite me chapter and verse where she talked about her personal sex life. Oh, wait, you can’t.
”Ms. Fluke who seem to feel that their fertility is a burden to be damaged or destroyed as opposed to a gift to be cherished and celebrated”
Right, gifts to be cherished as the pro-life GOP keeps trying to tear the safety net for those who do give birth.
cc, glad you’re still here. 5 mothers from your city have received material support for their new humans. Shall I scan the thank you notes and post them here? That’s 6, six, count ’em: six! that you let get away. Tsk tsk. That ain’t gonna make Cecile happy. That’s what, $2k in lost revenue?
Is it any coinky dink that this was the same university where Obama made them cover up all the Catholic symbols and art before he spoke so they wouldn’t be in the photos behind him??
You folks should really stop taking right wing media on faith alone. The “covering up” was debunked immediately.
Georgetown University spokeswoman Julie Green Bataille: In coordinating the logistical arrangements for yesterday’s event, Georgetown honored the White House staff’s request to cover all of the Georgetown University signage and symbols behind Gaston Hall stage.
The White House wanted a simple backdrop of flags and pipe and drape for the speech, consistent with what they’ve done for other policy speeches. Frankly, the pipe and drape wasn’t high enough by itself to fully cover the IHS and cross above the GU seal and it seemed most respectful to have them covered so as not to be seen out of context
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/obama-at-georgetown/
“cc, glad you’re still here. 5 mothers from your city have received material support for their new humans”
There you go again, Ninek with your verbal histrionics. What, pray tell, are you talking about? And if you did “save the babies” will you be paying the equivalent of a monthly TANF payment, medicaid, food stamps, and child care. What, what – some diapers maybe. Oh, happy days. Meanwhile, the government that you hate will be picking up the tab.
And BTW, when Fox’s Glenn Beck, Greg Gutfeld, and Bill O’Reilly were being offensive towards Nancy Pelosi, where were you folks? (Beck is no longer on Fox but Gutfeld is).
“cc, glad you’re still here. 5 mothers from your city have received material support for their new humans
If these are “saved” “babies,” how do you know that these women aren’t going to go right back to Planned Parenthood. Do you equip them with tracking bracelets?
CC, repeating a lie over and over does not magically make it becomes the truth.
Believing that private citizens can do a better job of providing a safety net is not the same as believing there should be no safety net at all. Conservatives believe the former, not the latter.
yes cc did you see where Joy Behar made a remark about the Jews saying ” oh im sure they used humor to get through those long days in the concentration camps.”
No, got a link? And BTW, remind me of the percentage of American Jews who are pro-life?
“Believing that private citizens can do a better job of providing a safety net is not the same as believing there should be no safety net at all. Conservatives believe the former, not the latter”
So private charities can provide the equivalent of a monthly TANF payment, food stamps, Medicaid, Child Care, Education and Job Training? Really? And how bout monthly payments for disabled veterans? And how bout monthly payments for the mentally and physically disabled? You do realize that the VA is a very successful government program. But right, give it to the churches - like the RI Catholic Church which is shutting down parishes and schools. Right…
Aw, cc, you’re so cute. You already posted your little georgetown defense and it doesn’t change a thing I said.
You know, when some of us pro-lifers got together in our secret lair of the Evil Pro-lifers Lodge, we decided to begin an Adopt-an-Abortionist program. I wanted to get Megan or Joan, but by the luck of the draw I got you.
I’m still concerned about your mental state: I have never posted anywhere that I don’t like my own government. Programs that help people in a temporary bind are not on my hit list of things. Interesting that you think poverty is permanent and that women who have unplanned pregnancies concieve future prison inmates more than planned pregnancies. You never address that and I’ve asked you about it multiple times.
Also, never said my contribution was diapers (it wasn’t) but nice of you to acknowledge that yes, we do care about children after they’re born. I have already told you about my other volunteer activities which benefit school children, college students, and the elderly.
What other volunteer work do you do (besides making sure abortion clients don’t get away?)?
But right, give it to the churches - like the RI Catholic Church which is shutting down parishes and schools. Right…
It’s no wonder with you as their spokesperson.
* * * *
General Note to Pro-aborts from an orthodox Catholic:
PREGNANCY IS NOT A DISEASE.
HAVING SEX IS NOT A SIN!
YOU CAN KEEP YOUR BC PILLS.
ALL I WANT IS MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
ALL I WANT IS MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
ALL I WANT IS MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
ALL I WANT IS MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
ALL I WANT IS MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
ALL I WANT IS MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
ALL I WANT IS MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
ALL I WANT IS MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
ALL I WANT IS MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
ALL I WANT IS MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
Back to bc’s — if a woman is in a sexual relationship with a man, isn’t it fair to ask him to pay for half of it? Why should the burden just be on the woman? After all, it really does take two to tango!
cc i cant link up stuff on my phone. im gonna try to find it on you tube but i found it under stupid liberal quotes on the net. gimmie a sec and i will return with more info. she is being blasted. even by Jewish liberals.
Oh, that editing time flies by!!
I wanted to add: the moms I mentioned brought their little ones to term. I’m enough of a realist not to count my fetus’ before they become neonates. Remember the abortioneer who concieved on purpose, told everyone, planned the birth, then changed her mind, killed the baby, and boohooed to her friends family and coworkers that she had had a miscarriage? Then she admitted the whole thing on line, using what looked like her real name! I’d call her a **** but she’s not a public figure. LOL!
But just curious, cc, do you also do any other volunteer work? Literacy Plus? Aids fundraisers? Anything like that?
We have a secret lair? Awesome!
Remember the abortioneer who concieved on purpose, told everyone, planned the birth, then changed her mind, killed the baby, and boohooed to her friends family and coworkers that she had had a miscarriage?
As someone who is currently recovering from a miscarriage, this makes me physically ill.
Is it just me or is Sandra Flucke a dead ringer for Sinead O’Connor?
Hans Johnson, do you mean physically or emotionally, ie their attitude toward the Catholic Church?
Well, I guess that would be a twofer. And it’s not a compliment. ;)
Here’s a link for CC:
The list of Group 1 Known Carcinogens, by the International Agency for Research on Cancer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IARC_Group_1_carcinogens
Look under “C” for “Contraceptives.”
1 in 8 women will encounter breast cancer during her lifetime. The epidemic of breast cancer occurring in younger women is a direct result of the prevalent use of oral contraceptive.
An interesting note: I donated blood today. Since contraception is on everyone’s mind these days, the phoresis technicians were commenting that they can always tell which women are using oral contraceptives…. her plasma is green.
As someone who is currently recovering from a miscarriage, this makes me physically ill.
I’m so sorry, Kate. I was just thinking this morning of the little one we lost about five years ago. ):
“protohuman”
Megan was carrying the missing link and didn’t tell anyone?
Megan, you didn’t tell us that your significant other was a homo erectus!
It’s sad how deluded you are. Who has the guilt and regret shackles here? I mean…you keep coming here all the time…
Hi Joanna 11:11am
I agree with you. Without documentation or the woman coming forward, this amounts to nothing more than hearsay. Anyone can concoct or exaggerate a story, especially if no one is holding them accountable.
Let’s see, the poor woman went off her BCPs because insurance no longer paid for them. Did she ever think to check with her insurance company as to what they cover? I know, real novel concept.
If she had determined the insurance coverage wouldn’t cover her pills, couldn’t she simply set a few dollars aside a day, probably the cost of a donut and coffee or a cup of starbucks, to pay for her pills at the end of the month? Sometime in grad school one must tighten the belt a tad.
Does this woman pay for her own aspirin, nasal spray, chapstick, tampons, soap, shampoo, toothpaste, toothbrush, eye drops, etc? I mean, aren’t these also health care essentials? Does she have a shortage of funds to cover these items as well or does she somehow manage to pay for them?
PCOS can imitate pregnancy and menopausal symptoms. The severity of the condition is variable. Cysts frequently rupture, BCP or not.
Was she truly going into early menopause or did her PCOS mimic the symptoms? Removing one ovary does not put a woman into early menopause. Also some women simply go into early menopause. If the woman was lamenting never having a child, I find it odd she didn’t try conceiving earlier. Certainly she knew the older she got the less her odds of having a child.
Also she would have had to go off the pill, and it may have taken months to conceive. The very incident Ms Fluke is lamenting about now would likely have happened. Assuming of course this rupture occured because she went off the pill in the first place.
Ms Fluke then says these situations are not rare but I don’t recall any documentation as to their occurence. Can she tell us on what she bases this claim.
I just have too much skepticism concerning this whole alleged incident.
Megan, you didn’t tell us that your significant other was a Homo erectus?
Well, it is possible, I guess. Didn’t Katy Perry just break up with her Cro-Magnon husband? ;)
CC 1:38PM
Are you aware that Bill Maher, who has referred to conservative women as c—, t—, boobs and bimboes, and ”joked” about Santorum’s wife using a vibrator, has donated a million dollars to deputy press secretary Bill Burton’s Obama SuperPac? So far no word as to when he plans to return it. Our president, who said that because of his two daughters this incident with Ms Fluke is so disturbing to him, apparently has no problem with conservative women being referred to by some of the most vile and sexist names imaginable. I wonder if he will insist Burton return the money.
Anyway CC, just wanted to let you know as I’m sure you, and thousands of other enligtened and enraged liberals, will contact Burton’s voice mail and insist he return the money.
At least Rush and Ed Schultz, who also called a conservative woman a “slut” apologized. Maher refuses to. I bet that just enrages you no end. Do you plan to demand Maher be taken off the air?
Hi Alice 9:43am
Fluke is just part of this whole charade generated by Obama and his lackeys to deflect from the failings of his administration. Obama needed an issue. They had hoped the occupy movement would be a success. Catholics were next on the list.
Trouble is Obama is pulling it off. While we run around tearing our hair out and being forced on the defensive, he can sit back and reap the benefits. You gotta give this devil his due.
mp,
Before you get too excited over Rush losing 20 sponsors, you should know that Rush turns down millions in advertising every year and his highly selective of who he does pick. So it might by wise to remember the old saying: He who laughs last laughs best.
Oh, and did you leave a message with Bill Burton yet?
My,my,my
I just noticed that Carbonite, which dropped it sponsorship of Rush, has had its stock plummet nearly 12 percent since Monday. It was one of the biggest decliners on the NASDAQ on Tuesday.
Just a coincidence I’m sure.
She was talking about BC pills for a friend of hers who needed them to stop the growth of ovarian cysts.
You, like your idol, child molesting druggie Rush Limbaugh, completely mischaractarized her argument.
Joanna is correct about the breast cancer/abortion link. A fairly recent study in China sets that question to rest. Abortion IS one cause of breast cancer. Studies in the U.S. are based on self-reported data and women here are reluctant to admit they’ve had abortions. In China all data on health are available to researchers, so very large studies can easily be done. Their current theory is that the abrupt interruption of pregnancy with abrupt hormonal changes causes cellular change in breast tissue that leads to breast cancer. (Note that this applies only to abortions; miscarriages are generally gradual events that cause no such changes) You can Google it and you will find several U.S. studies that say breast cancer and abortion are not related, but I am going with the study from China, which is far more likely to have accurate information. For those interested, Google it.
Clement Morehouse,
I’m well aware of what she was talking about. I read the entire story. You, like her apparently have limited medical knowledge. Her account is only hearsay, and has many questionable aspects to say the least.
Anyone can concoct or exaggerate a situation if no one holds them accountable for what they are saying, and no one is holding her accountable. To me its just another hearsay sob story full of holes.
Also, any documentation to back up your accusation of Rush being a child molester?
Have you placed a call to Bill Burton??
The only difference between Maher’s comments and Limbaugh’s comments are that Rush is only brainwashing his crazy conservative followers, whereas Bill is setting an example to the (probably) millions of teenagers and young men who watch his demeaning “comedy.” Uh-huh.
Not sure why the left is throwing a stinky fit- after all, the only people who listen to Rushbo are misogynists who want to oppress women anyways, rIght? ^.^
Hailee,
LOL. Whatever. Typical liberal double standard.
Anyway, I’m sure you, like so many other enlightened and tolerant liberals, have placed your call to Bill Burton.
Stay true. Do not allow anothers shortcomings have an affect on you too much. Continue your work towards being yourself. I do agree with you statement. Got a smile handy? Put it on and go.
30 advertisers. Gone.
:)
http://breastcancer.about.com/b/2010/01/08/abortion-birth-control-pills.htm
CC, According to this it increases your risk for triple neg. breast cancer, which is not so easily treated.
Libs are gonna lecture us in civility when they’ve spent the last week celebrating the death of a father of four? They can all go straight to hell. RIP Andrew Breitbart.
46 advertisers. Gone.
:)
mp,
What did I say about he who laughs last laughs best?
Sponsors are both local and national. Rush has approximately 600 affiliates and 18,000 sponsors/advertisers.
Advertisers make decisions every day about what shows they will advertise on, and the stations do not lose revenue if a sponsor says he doesn’t want his ad on Rush’s show, or Ed Schultz’s radio show. It willl still be advertised on another program.
Sponsors decide every day to cancel or continue ads, and what programs they want them run on Some run for only a period of tim
BTW, he has obtained 3 new sponsors and 2 are asking to return.
Hate to burst your balloon mp but I don’t like to see people waste their time and energy spittin’ in the ocean.
As I’ve said previously, some of you may be unfamiliar with the way the Limbaugh-ClearChannel deal is structured.
ClearChannel doesn’t see those advertising dollars. They go straight to El Rushbo and he provides his program to them free of charge.
So, when Rushbo lost Netflix, it had to hurt.
But, there is hope. “SeekingArrangements” wants to advertise on Rush’s program.
One businessman eager to replace those who cut and run is Brandon Wade, the founder of a website called Seekingarrangements.com that pairs college girls (Sugar Babies) needing money with older men (Sugar Daddies) needing, well, “an arrangement.”
Yesterday, the dating site offered to start buying 30 and 60 second spots on Rush’s show. If approved, the ads will run next month.
Mr. Wade says the demographics of Rushbo’s program are a “perfect fit” for the Sugar Daddy model.
And, after this is worn out, we can start talking about Romney’s failure to respond to Rushbo’s vitriolic rhetoric due to Romney’s business relationship with Limbaugh via ClearChannel.
:)
“The Relationship between induced abortion and the subsequent development of breast cancer has been the subject of a substantial amount of epidemiologic study. Early studies of the relationship between prior induced abortion and breast cancer risk were methodologically flawed. More rigorous recent studies demonstrate no causal relationship between induced abortion and a subsequent increase in breast cancer risk.”
ACOG Committee Opinion No. 434: induced abortion and breast cancer risk.
Obstet Gynecol. 2009 Jun;113(6):1417-8.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19461458
Enough with the breast cancer abortion link. You church people have a huge, HUGE history of being hostile to science, the scientific method, and the advancement of medical science. Not a single one of you is qualified to comment on medical science, what women need, or what does and does not “cause” any type of cancer, at least, not until you dispense with the talking snakes, rib women, and pretending to eat human flesh.
Now, as far as breast cancer goes, current low-dose oral contraceptives are not as implicated in breast cancer as older formulations. Further, oral contraceptives are implicated in a LOWERED risk of ovarian cancer.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15734957
The latest studies to be done do not show the same links.
“Oral contraceptives (OC) are widely used in the United States. Although the relation between OC use and breast cancer incidence has been widely studied, the few studies examining associations between OC use prior to breast cancer diagnosis and survival are inconsistent…OC use is not associated with all-cause or breast cancer-specific mortality among women with invasive breast cancer.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21551244
Here is a study that looks at the link between birth control use and death. Death being from all possible causes linked to oral contraceptives. Surprise, the study found NO LINK.
“These findings contain no significant evidence of any overall effect of oral contraceptive use on mortality. None the less, only small numbers of deaths occurred during the study period and a significant adverse (or beneficial) overall effect might emerge in the future. Interestingly, the mortality from circulatory disease associated with oral contraceptive use was substantially less than that found in the Royal College of General Practitioners study.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2514858
All you have to do is plug in the search terms into Pubmed, an actual source of medical knowledge. If the link was as strong as you all say, doctors would not prescribe oral contraceptives. To say otherwise is to accuse the entire medical profession of great evil, and haven’t we had enough of the ridiculous conspiracy theories?? As it stands, the strongest risk factor is now, and has remained, family history.
Have a nice day.
Mary-
I -was- pointing out the liberal double standard. The left is okay with Maher’s words because after all, he’s just a comedian, whereas Rush is a *gasp* news commentator and should be held accountable for his words!
I was stating that the left condemns listeners of Limbaugh’s to a certain stereotype- misogynist, etc
But they say he has a wider audience than Maher et al. So what is it? Does his audience matter or not? That depends on whethe the left is going to use it to their advantage.
Rush says he’s an “entertainer.” You say he’s a “news commentator.”
Who’s right?
:)
Mp- it doesn’t matter what or who Rush is. Respect women. ALL people should be held tO the same standard. End of story.
“But they say he has a wider audience than Maher et al. So what is it? Does his audience matter or not?”
The issue is not what one Democrat’s words against a Republican are, or a Republican’s words against a Democrat.
The issue is that Rush slammed not just Sandra Fluke but an entire gender. He (and the entire rest of the conservative blogosphere) basically said that all sexually active women, and all women who use birth control, are sluts and prostitutes. And last time I checked, that was pretty much all of them, with very few exception. That women who are asking for insurance coverage for their medical issues are sluts and prostitutes and that this is “welfare” involving him and other taxpayers. R figureheads have largely failed to believably condemn these statements and his many followers online have gotten behind these statements. It’s not just one person slamming another person.
It’s a concentrated effort of Republicans and conservative voters to make their voices heard about how much they hate women. And as far as I’m concerned, this stuff makes David Duke look tame.
Rush Limbaugh is a shock jock in the exact same vein as Tom Leykis, who is blatantly sexist against ALL women. It is not ok to call people vile names, but it is far, far worse to slander entire groups of people. So the Republicans have a huge problem now in that they’ve been taken over by MRAs. BTW, Rush has moved on to a young woman author named Tracie McMillan for having the audacity to have a Bachelor’s degree and write a book about the food industry.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2012/03/06/heres-the-woman-rush-limbaugh-is-attacking-today-totally-bizarre-she-says/
The usual mudslinging in politics is one thing; it is entirely another to take notice of the fact that Rush Limbaugh has serious issues with women, that he feels nothing but contempt and disrespect for them, and that asking women to send him sex videos and how he goes through wives almost as often as he changes his underwear should be a clue to the R party that they need to dump this guy and start caring about women’s issues, FAST, or they will not be electable again for a very, very long time. The Men’s Rights Movement is a hate movement, and the last thing the Republicans need is a spokesman from that faction.
I’m saying every person from every party ought to be treated the same way. So advertisers need to drop every person, liberal or conservative, who make remarks like this.
It’s not right of him to call any woman a derogatory name, but that doesn’t mean that all republicans and conservative hate women. Please. Stop acting like the only people who count In the GOP are men.
“It’s not right of him to call any woman a derogatory name, but that doesn’t mean that all republicans and conservative hate women. Please. Stop acting like the only people who count In the GOP are men.”
The GOP women have made their share of ugly comments too. All one need do is pick any conservative blog or comment site – Townhall, any of them – and check out the comments from readers on this issue.
mp,
It seems like the only ones hurting are Carbonite, who’s stocks tumbled after they pulled their ads and the two sponsors who are asking to come back. Who knows, maybe one is Carbonite. Then there’s the several thousand others who just advertise locally, like Joe’s Body Shop, who may run ads for only a brief or contracted period of time and who can dictate what program their ads run or do not run on, either way the station doesn’t lose money.
Like I said mp, quit spittin’ in the ocean.
Hi Hailee, 1:18PM
My apologies for misunderstanding your post.
law 2:14PM
Give me a break. So Maher has such respect for women when he calls them c*, t*, boobs and bimboes? When he talks about the “tits” of a nursing mother, or Santorum’s wife using a vibrator. I suppose Ed Schultz has even more, you know, calling conservative commentator Laura Ingraham a “slut” while in the throes of a tirade.
Spare us your sanctimony when it comes to Rush and conservatives. Where is it when it comes to Maher? Rush apologized. Schultz apologized. Maher has refused to. Maher has donated a million dollars to the Obama SuperPac of deputy press secretary Bill Burton. I’d like to know when you plan to contact Bill Burton and demand he return the money, as I’m sure all enlightened liberals have been doing. If anyone denegrates women to the lowest possible level, its Maher and Burton so far has said nothing about returning the money.
Also law, get your facts straight. Rush has no issue with McMahon writing a book, its not like women haven’t been writing books for centuries or anything, its the content of the book. Sometimes when you write a book people do take issue with what you have to say. Happens all the time.
” I suppose Ed Schultz has even more, you know, calling conservative commentator Laura Ingraham a “slut” while in the throes of a tirade.”
What you’re trying to do by deflecting the current issue to other past issues is a form of apology for a man who is clearly allied with a hate movement. I don’t suggest this tactic. Rush is a men’s rights activist which is NOT a faction that you want to apologize for, attorneys refer to them as “the abuser’s lobby” so let me assure you this is about SO much more than simple namecalling.
Now, Ed Schultz not only apologized to Laura Ingraham (a real apology on the air, I hear, that lasted 9 minutes and phoned her in person) he also was suspended from his show without pay. Rush will never be suspended for anything because he’s actually a party mouthpiece and his apology wasn’t a real apology. It was a deflection of blame and an affirmation that he believes his own hooey.
I can’t comment on Maher since I don’t watch his show and apparently a reason that most people don’t even know what you’re talking about because it never became a media issue or a huge blown up party movement like this has. There is a reason that no one will issue a real condemnation of Limbaugh except George Will whom I assume you now all hate and Jeff Jacoby who you probably don’t read. On the contrary, the entire conservative blogosphere has been coming out with equally horrible, if not worse, comments since last Wednesday – they’ve been jumping on the Rush bandwagon in droves. O’Reilly, Hannity, Mark Levin (who incidentally also called the president a c*** on the air and told the entire media to go to he**, which I guess is in keeping with the religiousity thing), Neil Boortz, and many, many others even including cartoonists http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sandra-fluke-cartoon-reignites-debate-law-student-testimony-article-1.1034603 have decided to also take the opportunity to bash women in general, not just Sandra Fluke.
This has now become not just one person slinging mud at another person, or even one person slinging mud at an entire group. It is now an entire movement.
It is not about Sandra Fluke and it is not about slinging epithets. It is about how pretty much an entire political party, leaders, followers and all, has shown the whole world how they feel about women. So it’s not just Rush, honey. It’s ALL Y’ALL.
“Rush has no issue with McMahon writing a book”
Really? He seems to be rather baffled as to why her book as won awards and why she has an education.
“What is it with all of these young single white women, overeducated — doesn’t mean intelligent. For example, Tracie McMillan, the author of this book, seems to be just out of college and already she has been showered with awards, including the 2006 James Aronson Award for Social Justice Journalism. Social justice journalism. This woman who wrote the book on food inequality, food justice, got an award for social justice journalism.”
This is not taking issue with the author’s message. It is a personal attack on her. Don’t apologize for this man or even try the “well, you did it too” tactic. Just disavow this and move on, ok?
As soon as missy Phluck [her pronunciation] has outlived her status as a useful idiot she won’t jusb be thrown under the bo-jangle campaign bus. The ’dead babies r us’ mob will wrap a chain around her neck and drag her behind it.
The feminazzi priestesses will beseech their goddess with bloodletting and shreiks and wails to resurrect Phluck’s lifeless body that they might extract their second pound of flesh.
Wo to Phluck if she should hear the ‘pop’ and see the light and actually repudiate the feminista dogma.
Heretics and heresy are one thing. Apostasy and betrayal is another altogether.
Hell has no fury like a coven of feministas rejected.
They would be on her like jihadists on a Jew howling at the blood of the moon.
law says: March 7, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Do you remember mr. b o-jangles being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize before he had even taken the oath of office?
[Just exactly where has the ‘peace’ been breakin out?]
It was an illconceived and illadvised ‘pro-acive’ selection motivated by puppy love infatuation based on an unrealistic expectation that the first black president was their messaiah, prince of peace, king of kings and lord of lords, wizard of ahhhhhhhhs. [Zen projection:If they willed it, he will come.]
But no miracles, not even any mojo. Just empty words read from a teleprompter.
[If only he’d had a vagina.]
The only differences between b o and his progressive predecessors is a little more pigmentation and a lot less competence.
We have given up on ‘hope and change’. We’re just be hopin for a change to mature adult with a lick of common sense.
Mary,
Call me a cynic, but I want to see Mahr’s receipt for the ‘million dollar donation to mr. bo-jangles.
Ronald Reagan wisely advised, “Trust, but verify.”
law 3:52PM
No, I point out what people like you conveniently overlook. Do you recall this much outrage when Ed Schultz called Laura Ingraham a slut, yes or no? Also, an apology is in the eye of the beholder. I like the person so I like his apology. I’m not one to spend time analyzing people’s apologies. Rush apologized on air as well, and it lasted several minutes as well. Both men apologized law, move on for heaven’s sake. Rush wasn’t suspended because unlike Schultz, he’s the boss!
You can’t comment on Maher? Why not? I’ve told you what he said. I told you he donated to the president’s superpac. Google him. You have no problem with the president accepting money from this sexist degenerate?
What the devil is a man’s rights activist? Exactly what do they advocate and what is the name of their organization?
He disagrees with McMahon. People who write books have people disagree with them. They are grown ups and accept it. I assume Ms McMahon is a grown up and can handle criticism that comes at her. Is Rush not supposed to criticize her subject because she’s a woman? Get real.
He may not consider her or her writings that intelligent. So what? You criticize Rush don’t you? You accuse him of being aligned with a hate movement and a member of the “abuser’s lobby”.
Some very serious and denegrating comments there as well law.
Ken,
What do you think of Phluck’s [her pronunciation] bloviations before the cobble of democRATs posing as a real congressional committee?
“I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability.”
At least Phluck [her pronunciation] was able to utter complete sentences without the aid of teleprompters.
Based on missy Phlucks [her pronunciation] monlogue I recommend that mr. b o-jangles undergo gender re-assignment surgery. His cajones serve no useful purpose and a vagina just might improve his performance.
b o might also consider a brain transplant. I recommend an adult female brain. At least it will have been used.
What I want to know, will Carbonite release Han Solo?
Lol, couldn’t resist.
I haven’t watched too many episodes of The View, but from what I saw those “ladies” can be pretty vicious when discussing other “ladies” with whom they disagree. I wonder if they’d get a free pass for using **** because, it’s ok, they’re women. ?
law:”I can’t comment on Maher since I don’t watch his show”
If this principle is proportionate, you must be a heckuva Rush fan.
Heh. Most conservatives I know never listen to him. I’m an NPR addict, myself.
It’s weird how reactionaries to a point of view tend to be more addicted to exemplars of that view, and to discourse regarding that point of view, than that view’s ostensible adherents.
A liberal friend is always yammering about Fox News. Good grief. I don’t watch any television at all, much less Fox News.
Do liberals really enjoy apoplexy so much that they have to bump the ratings for everything they putatively loathe?
So weird.
law: “The issue is that Rush slammed not just Sandra Fluke but an entire gender. He (and the entire rest of the conservative blogosphere) basically said that all sexually active women, and all women who use birth control, are sluts and prostitutes.”
Apparently you’re not cognizant of the growing field of slut discourse, recently instanced in varied slut walks.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Ethical-Slut/103797072992287
The authors define the term slut as “a person of any gender who has the courage to lead life according to the radical proposition that sex is nice and pleasure is good for you.” The term isreclaimed from its usual use as a pejorative and as a simple label for a promiscuous person. Instead, it is used to signify a person who is accepting of their enjoyment of sex and the pleasure of intimacywith others, and chooses to engage and accept these in an ethical and open way — rather than ascheating.
LisaC:
Anyone with Rush Limbaugh’s experience knows by now that if you use certain words, phrases, or arguments, people will totally lose track of or forget what you were trying to say. No one experienced in politics fails to understand that if you use words like slut, prostitute, pimp, or the like, or Nazi, etc., or mention Hitler in any context, nobody will listen to anything else you have to say. They will be all wrapped around a tree about the word you used, and completely distract from the point you were trying to make.
This is not about Sandra Fluke.
Sandra Fluke exposed (almost) AN ANTI-CATHOLIC ATTACK BY LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS.
What is being missed in Fluke’s testimony is that she is only the spokesperson for a project to attack Catholic Georgetown University — for being Catholic. Notice what Fluke actually testified:
This was unmistakably a PROJECT to attack Catholic Georgetown University — for being Catholic — by “Law Students for Reproductive Justice” http://lsrj.org/
Sandra Fluke and “Law Students for Reproductive Justice” deliberately set out to attack and smear Catholics and the Catholic Church. This was a deliberate assualt on the religious beliefs of the Catholic Church.
It was also a complete pack of lies.
Perhaps Sandra Fluke will make a very talented liar, er, sorry LAWYER, one day.
Sandra Fluke may prove skilled at convincing juries of things that just aren’t true.
But here, she got caught red-handed.
Because her testimony was perjury — lying under oath — her fitness to be admitted to the Bar ought to be questioned. The Bar makes a big distinction between dishonesty NOT under oath (not good) and a lawyer committing an actual crime, such as perjury. A candidate for bar admission faces a much higher burden to get admitted the first time.
FAILED ARGUMENT:
The crucial lynchpin of the argument for attacking Georgetown’s Catholic religious beliefs is the hypothesis that birth control is too expensive for a student to afford without health insurance paying for it. YET, THAT IS A FLAT-OUT, TOTAL LIE.
Sandra Fluke committed perjury (lying under oath) by claiming that “AS YOU KNOW” birth control costs a student “OVER $3,000? over the three years of law school.
Note: Some have tried to cover for Fluke by changing this to “UP TO.” No. She said “OVER $3,000.”
To expose this perjury, we need look no farther than Planned Parenthood’s own website.
Of course Sandra Fluke did not identify which type of birth control she had in mind. But it doesn’t matter:
COSTS: (1) Birth Control pills, every single day (with placebos often in the plan for 2 or 3 days): $15 per month, says Planned Parenthood. $540 over 3 years 9 dollars at WalMart WITHOUT INSURANCE.. (2) the PATCH: $15 per month says Planned Parenthood. $540 over 3 years. (3) IUD: Good for 12 years, $500 to $1000 up-front, says PP. (4) condoms: 40 cents each in economy packages.
Top name brand, Trojan, condoms cost $13.99 in a 36 count economy pack. That’s 40 cents a condom. So the only way that a Georgetown student could be spending $3,000 over three years is to have sex 7,500 times over three years. That’s 6.84 times a day, every single day, without any days off, for three years.
Could one spend MORE than $15 per month, which Planned Parenthood says is a likely price? Who cares? The discussion is about a student on a limited budget. So we are talking about how little she might spend, not how much she could go on the up side.
It is Sandra Fluke’s claim that a student *MUST* spend “OVER $3,000? during 3 years. She is claiming that it is NECESSARY (unavoidable) for a woman at Georgetown Law School to spend “OVER $3,000? a year for birth control.
So, sure — you could pay more than $15 per month. But we are talking about students who are short on money. So obviously we are talking about students paying the minimum, because they are on a limited budget. The argument is that these students cannot afford birth control, so we have to look at the minimum price, not the premium price you could pay if you don’t care about the cost.
But if Georgetown’s students — who are supposed to be studying some of the time — had sex 3 times a week, taking 2 weeks out being with their families for holidays and taking 2 weeks out for exam weeks, that would be 432 times over three years.
COST FOR CONDOMS: $172.80 plus tax over three years. (432 times 40 cents each.)
With contraceptives, there is NO PROBLEM. They are cheap. Easily available. Nothing to worry about. Anyone who wants contraceptives can get them, often FREE.
To buy condoms 5 days a week, every single week without a break, costs only $104 a year if you buy top-brand quality (Trojans) in 36 count economy packs.
But the liberals have a more fatal problem here:
If you are going to lie, never lie about things that the hearer can SEE to be a LIE.
For the next 8 months, women will be buying their birth control pills every single month, if that is their chosen approach. They can SEE that the liberals are lying.
For the next 8 months, voters will walk through the aisles of grocery stores and then can SEE how little condoms cost. They can see that birth control is all over the place. In every grocery store in America, you can see them right there.
So the lie by the Democrats is obvious for all to see. The looming fiasco for liberals is that anyone can see the facts for themselves that the liberals are lying about.
Democrats and free agent liberals are doubling down on THE LIBERAL WAR ON WOMEN:
LIBERALS ARE PUBLICLY ARGUING THAT (liberals instinctively believe) WOMEN VOTERS ARE DUMB. That is, liberals hope and imagine that women voters aren’t smart enough to see through the liberal scams and hogwash.
Republicans are betting that women voters are smart. Liberals are desperately hoping they’re not. Obama’s re-election strategy is to bet everything on the hope that voters are easily-fooled, gullible, and naive. Republican election hopes rest on believing the best about the American people.
So the only way the liberal scam can work is if women voters are really, really dumb.
Republicans treat women as intelligent. Democrats don’t.
Though there aren’t links in the original post to the content mentioned, a little digging shows that it’s all true. Fluke has described herself as a third year law student at Georgetown University, and indeed, that is what she is. However, contrary to the narrative of innocent victimhood that portrays Fluke as a wide-eyed 23-year-old girl caught without contraception on a college campus full of predatory men, Fluke herself is really a 30-year-old women‘s rights activist who not only didn’t get caught without contraception at Georgetown, but specifically knew the university didn’t cover it and chose to attend for precisely that reason.
First, there‘s the matter of Fluke’s age. In a segment on Fluke’s battle with Rush Limbaugh, MSNBC reporter Anne Williams called Fluke “the 23-year-old Georgetown law student, prohibited from testifying.” Yet Fluke’s own Linkedin profile reveals a more mature woman:
In fact, according to that profile, she graduated from college in 2003. Barring Fluke being a child prodigy who somehow graduated college at the age of 15, this would make her at least 30 years old:
It‘s worth noting the massive number of women’s issues groups Fluke was involved in, even while in college.
Now, to be fair, Fluke’s age could have been misreported by the media. Most 3rd year law students are at least 25, and they could have confused her for being an undergraduate senior rather than a 3rd year law student.
The idea that Fluke is herself an unwitting victim of Georgetown’s policy on contraceptives is another matter entirely. In several interviews, especially following Rush Limbaugh’s attack, Fluke has implicitly included herself in the group of women who allegedly unwittingly suffer as a result of Georgetown’s policies. This is a key point for the Democrats supporting her, for if Fluke did happen to read Georgetown’s insurance policy before coming and decide to come anyway, that would, at best, undermine her spokeswoman status.
But what if she not only decided to attend the university anyway, but decided to attend specifically so she could fight this battle? Consider this passage from an early Washington Post story done on Fluke before she was permitted to testify:
That’s right. It seems Fluke intentionally chose to go to Georgetown so she could agitate and sway them to cover contraceptives. She then went to a hearing as a representative of women who hadn‘t known about Georgetown’s policy until it was too late. Unsympathetic observers might liken this to James O’Keefe attending a hearing to speak against ACORN on behalf of pimps. It certainly raises the question of why the women Fluke claims to speak for couldn’t present their stories for themselves.
Indeed, in a video made after she was denied the opportunity to testify, Fluke raises two “stories” from women who had emailed her, supposedly about their non-sex-related need of contraceptive medicine. She does not identify the emailers by name, or even by school, saying simply that they are students at an unnamed Catholic University:
If Fluke’s stories are real, many will likely call on her to let the women who sent them speak for themselves and stop hogging the spotlight, given that she did choose to attend Georgetown knowing full well what its policy was on contraceptives, and with every indication of being willing to risk the price tag — whether that price tag would be $3000 over 3 years or not.
Fluke could have easily clarified her age and agenda during the hearing. She didn’t.
MPQ,
I almost never read through a lengthy comment, but that was well done. Brava!
mp, how many thousand advertisers does Rush have throughout his affiiates?
Hi ts,
Rush estimates its about 18,000. That’s why I told mp that 40 cancelled advertisers, or whatever the number is, is spitting in the ocean. Advertisers come and go daily, its business.
I understand that he has 3 new national sponsors and 2 dropped sponsors want to come back.
Also, he turns down millions of dollars in advertising a year.
That’s why I tell mp every time he/she gets excited over another sponsor “dropping” Rush to quit spittin’ in the ocean.
Thanks, Hans.
This is not about Sandra Fluke.
Indeed. This is about you telling demonstrable falsehoods.
I never saw any reliable news source report that she was an undergraduate; everything I saw said that she was a third-year law student. She never “implied” that she was among the women who came to Georgetown unfamiliar with their contraception policy, but obviously you’re going to believe whatever you want.
You have claimed several times that she lied about her age under oath. I have found no indication that she misrepresented her age. The information on Georgetown’s site (with her college graduation date) implies that she is older than a traditional law student. I found two interviews with her after she was excluded as a witness from the hearing (on February 16) and before she gave her talk on February 23. Both of them identified her as 30 years old. (One was in the Daily Beast, the other on the Huffington Post.) So your argument is that she perjured herself because she did not correct “Anne Williams’s” mistake. (The reporter’s name is actually Anne Thompson.) Well, Ms. Fluke’s testimony was on February 23. Anne Thompson’s report was aired on March 1. Think as hard as you can, Moronic. Can you think of any reason, other than dishonesty, why Ms. Fluke might not have used the opportunity of her testimony to correct a statement that a reporter was going to make a week in the future?
This is my favorite bit of your screed, though.
“Sandra Fluke committed perjury (lying under oath) by claiming that “AS YOU KNOW” birth control costs a student “OVER $3,000? over the three years of law school. Note: Some have tried to cover for Fluke by changing this to “UP TO.” No. She said “OVER $3,000….It is Sandra Fluke’s claim that a student *MUST* spend “OVER $3,000? during 3 years. She is claiming that it is NECESSARY (unavoidable) for a woman at Georgetown Law School to spend “OVER $3,000? a year for birth control.”
Did you know, Moronic, that Ms. Fluke’s testimony was videotaped? Someone who wanted to know what she said could just watch the video. And if you watch the video, Moronic, you’ll see that she says contraception CAN cost over $3000 over three years. Not “MUST.” “CAN.” You can watch it for yourself, right here, around the 2:15 point.
So yeah, this isn’t about Sandra Fluke. It’s about the absolutely moronic nature of people who build conspiracy theories around her.
Testimony? I thought it was a press conference. Silly me.
Over 3 thousand dollars over 3 years. What do gas, food, rent, and personal health items cost over 3 years? I bet its a lot more than 3 grand.
LisaC:
I’ve seen the video more than once. Fluke was quite content to let people think she was 23 and did nothing to clarify her age. Maybe you’d like to define how bc costs three grand a year, since Fluke couldn’t and didn’t? Maybe you’d like to identify her fictional friends, who never appeared to tell their own ‘stories’? It’s a well documented fact she went to Georgetown simply to challenge their policy on birth control. Read my blog.
Try actually refuting the facts with facts instead of your opinions. Too difficult for you?
Try actually refuting the facts with facts instead of your opinions.
Sure. It’s a fact that you falsely stated that Ms. Fluke claimed contraception MUST cost over $3000. It’s a fact that you have not presented any evidence that anyone believed that a third-year law student was 23 years old at the time that she gave her testimony, rather than after Rush Limbaugh erroneously called her a “college co-ed.” It’s a fact that because you made demonstrably false statements here, I won’t be wasting my time reading whatever sloppy reporting and figments of your imagination appear on your blog.
Testimony? I thought it was a press conference. Silly me.
It was a formal statement to a Congressional committee that was entered into the Congressional Record. You could ask Moronic whether it was sworn or unsworn testimony, but seriously, do you think she’d know?
Following up: Rep. Issa claims that his staff was not given information on Ms. Fluke before he decided to exclude her as a witness; in this claim, he says that his staff thought she was a college student. Rep. Issa, however, had certainly been informed that she was a law student by February 15, because we have documentation to that effect. Unless the Republicans on the House Oversight Committee are morons, they could not have believed that she was a college student at the time of the hearing.
LisaC,
This was a congressional committee discussing the constitutionality of Obama’s mandate, not contraception. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans for the Seperation of Church and State, a witness with the credentials to discuss the matter at hand, was scheduled to testify. A decision was made at the last minute by the Democrats to replace him with Fluke, who had no such credentials. The Democrats knew full well that a witness must be vetted first and there would be no time to vet Fluke.
Also, why replace Lynn? All part of a charade LisaC, and an attempt to keep out of the record certain facts concerning Obama’s unconstitutional mandate.
Check out Youtube everyone. Go to “Democrat women lawmakers refuse to condemn Bill Maher”.
You will find videos of Democrat congresswomen Sheila Jackson Lee, Jan Shahansky, and even Nancy Pelosi refusing to condemn Bill Maher calling Sarah Palin a c* and “dumb t*” and refusing to demand that the Obama Supepac return Maher’s donation.
What an interesting double standard. Rush at the very least apologized. Don’t stand on one foot waiting for Maher to.
I just want to know why everyone in an insurance pool should pay “over $3000” (let us say) for anyone to use medicine to do what abstinence does more reliably.
That’s taken as “unrealistic,” I know — but why isn’t it taken as “unrealistic” that others should pay for it?
We live in a really, really weird era where everyone wants everything paid for, for them. And when items are politicized, it gets even weirder.
And the dehumanization of the unborn continues, with their “prevention” being compared with prevention of disease by insurable medications.
There should be some comedy skit, like SNL, superimposing a Verooka Salt-like character from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory over Sandra Fluke whining, “I want my contraception and I want it now, Daddy!”