Actress dismisses “that little five percent” of abortions Planned Parenthood commits
A web ad released by the Obama campaign yesterday features actress Elizabeth Banks touting both Planned Parenthood and Barack Obama.
Banks promotes Planned Parenthood as a provider of ”essential services for women all over this country.” What about abortion? Pfff.
“What is it, 95% of them don’t involve anything controversial?” asks Banks in the ad. “So for that little 5% that Mitt Romney decides he doesn’t agree with, he’s going to take away cancer screenings? What is he doing?”
Banks, of course, is referring to abortion when speaking of “that little 5%,” without, of course, saying the unpopular A-word.
But let’s stop at “that little 5%.” It really doesn’t matter whether the actual percentage of abortions Planned Parenthood commits comprises 3%, 5%, 10%, 12%, or even 36.7% of its business.
What matters are the numbers. And in 2009 “that little 5%” amounted to 329,445 children murdered by Planned Parenthood in 2010.
In total, since Planned Parenthood is on record for committing abortions since 1970, “that little 5%” amounts to over 5 MILLION children murdered by the United States’ largest abortion provider.
So just shut up with your airheaded politicking, Ms. Banks, whoever you are, and go back to acting. This isn’t about you regulating your periods, which no one wants to hear about either.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYCE8N79YoQ[/youtube]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I’m always amazed at the value we give to the opinions of people who play “make believe” to earn a living. That also applies to conservatives and their film idols. Alice Cooper once opined that anyone who were swayed by the political opinions of rock stars were bigger morons than their idols. We can expand that to film actors also.
This is the definition of a good looking idiot.
I think she was in the Twilight Games, or something like that. I can’t remember. I don’t pay attention to trends, fashions, and teenie-bopper icons. No one should. But it did sound as though Ms. Banks was taking that advice, since if you listen closely, it appears she wasn’t paying attention to the things coming out of her own mouth.
planned parenthood is a business that makes its money by terminating pregnancies. It needs ObamaCare so it can raise its price to $3000 per abortion instead of its $350 price that it has been charging for decades. Their customers can not afford market price, but the taxpayer can…….$3000 times 400 pregs a day times 5 days a week times 52 weeks…..that will make them very rich.
(i tried to enter this in the comment section of the utube video but it said comment pending, so i assume it will be censored.)
I find it slightly ironic that the things she doesn’t want to talk about her employer she is willing to talk about for television.
Flipflopping everywhere. Including with Mr. Romney, who can not be trusted to be pro-life in the least.
Ms. Banks, if “5%” of their business was killing already born people, would you be saying the same thing? If not you understand why anyone would want to defund Planned Parenthood.
I’m curious how the Obama campaign reached that 5% figure. Isn’t it 3% of services or 11% of clients? They show an alarming capacity to fudge or invent numbers and never seems to have to answer about how they are misleading.
Chris, I’m guessing they just rounded the 3% number to the nearest 5.
Jill Stanek, why don’t you stop tagging your nonsense all over the web. I’m a planned parenthood supporter and we know the TRUTH about abortion. It represents 3 percent of PPHs total services. The rest is cancer screenings, birth control, HIV and STD testing, PRE AND POST NATAL SCREENING, men’s services like vasectomies, breast cancer screening and MAMMOGRAMS (yes, mammograms..I had one at PPH three weeks ago) tax dollars do NOT fund PPH abortions due to a little thing you don’t like to talk about called The Hyde Amendment. And if a woman CHOOSES an abortion service from PPH, that is HER choice, SHE pays for it financially and it doesn’t involve you, your body or your life ONE BIT. We are awake. We are mobilized. And we are NOT going to stand by and watch zealots like you, Abby Johnson and Lila Rose…feed women propaganda and lies, just so you can line your pockets doing speeches and writing books. MY body is MINE and I make my reproductive choices. And I also donate my money to PLanned Parenthood. Our mobilization has killed EVERY Personhood Bill attempt in this country and will continue to do so. Maybe we sat on our prochoice rights for too long and accepted this battle was over. Not anymore. You zealots got too pushy with inflicting YOUR beliefs onto OUR uteruses. Coat hangers? NEVER AGAIN! We support our constitutional right to freedom of privacy, we support Roe v. Wade and we support legalized abortion. Don’t like abortion? Don’t ever HAVE one. And don’t ask me to have a FORCED birth. We’re not breeding cows. We’re women.
Tell us how you really feel, Kathi.
Just to be clear, Kathi’s comment was parody, right?
Kathi knows the “truth about abortion” and devotes one measly sentence to it… then happily skips to “but, they do all this COOL stuff, too!” in her seminar, trollish post.
I guess Kathi won’t have a problem watching abortion at http://www.herestheblood.com, then.
But that amazing teacher, he spent 95% of his waking hours taking care of others. He was Teacher of the Year nine times, he coached Little League, was a Cub Scout den leader, he started an after school care program for boys who needed special tutoring….yeah, I know he spent the other 5% of his time molesting children, but hey, who’s counting! He was such an amazing guy, we should be able to overlook the occasional little indiscretion, right? Let’s think of the greater good and all the kids he helped! It was only 5%, so why are we so worried about putting him behind bars?
(Sorry, I’m feeling a little sarcastic this evening.)
To Kathi Korteling,
Don’t like Rape? Don’t commit one, but don’t tell someone else they can’t rape. Don’t like stealing? Don’t steal, but don’t tell someone else they can’t steal. Same ol failed logic, different day.
Awesome comparison, Michelle!
The real issue do not come to the surface… until you identify where these clinics are located. Most are in low income, black communities or near college campuses. Interesting, right. Well the issue has nothing to do with life it is all about money and comfort… this is America and at the cost of the American Dream people become devalued rather than chaished as a gift from God!
“We’re not breeding cows. We’re women.”
Your types are the only ones that look at pregnant women that way. Perhaps a little bit of internalized misogyny there?
Another actress to boycott.
In Hollyweird’s world there’s no such thing as publicly-funded health centers run by the Health Department that provide THE SAME SERVICES as Planned Parenthood … except abortion.
I posted a myriad of services that PPH performs at their facilities. If you can’t read it, don’t blame me. And what I wrote isn’t even the half of what they offer to women. And for your small minded information, I am a mother. I don’t LOOK at pregnant women as anything but what they are, pregnant women. Want to steal? Go ahead. It’s illegal. Want to rape? Go ahead, it is also illegal. Both actions will land you in JAIL for violating a woman’s bodily autonomy. But abortion is LEGAL and it PROTECTS my bodily autonomy. I have ZERO problems seeing an abortion. I had one. I watched it from start to finish. And I’m a nurse so I’ve seen others too. Your carefully exploited pictures, stolen from a dumpster in 1985 from a Chicago abortion clinic, of fetuses that were “dismembered”, were late term, medical abortions. A REAL legal term abortion, done 86 percent of the time between the 8th and 12th week, looks like a menstrual blood clot. Is THAT graphic and detailed enough of a discussion on abortion for you?? I didn’t gloss over ANYTHING. Abortion ends the potential life from forming at the woman’s CHOICE, not yours. When you live in MY body, then you may have a right to dictate my constitutional right to privacy. You can post all the “fetus porn” you want. Smart women know they are aborting a potential child…were not stupid or ignorant. And I for one am repulsed by fellow women like Jill Stanek and Abby “the liar” Johnson, profiteering off the subjugation of other women. You aren’t going to get rid of abortion…ever. And making it illegal and burying your head in the sand won’t make it go,away. 1957, CDC states that 1.2 MILLION illegal abortions took place in the US. Women have been aborting since ancient Greece and Egypt with herbs and seaweed packs. Your little fantasy of denying a woman her right to bodily autonomy is just that…a fantasy based on utopian ideals. Religion has ZERO bearing on abortion because we aren’t secular. Religious arguments and emotions don’t win in court. Constitutional rights DO. And that is why Personhood Bills have FAILED in every state. You can thank women like Jill and Abby and guys like Rick Santorum and John Boehner for waking us up and getting us up off our collective prochoice asses and fighting back again. Prochoice women are mobilized like never before and we have MONEY this time. We won’t stand by idlely and watch our rights taken away, not even whittled upon. Your antiabortion legislative attempts are suddenly failing left and right because we’re back to paying attention. And YOUR activists woke us up and we THANK YOU for it. And yeah, I’ll tell you how I REALLY feel. Loud and proud. Along with the other 70 percent of Americans who support PPH.
Makes me wanna just go up to her, knock on her noggin as I would a front door, and yell, “THAT IS MAHOGANY!!!!”
I look at Kathleen’s (or Kathi’s or whatever her name is now) 1:35 PM post and my eyes start glazing over. Rants like that are why God invented paragraphs. And what’s with the wanton comma abuse, huh? Ellipses, too. What did they ever do to you? Perfectly innocent punctuation marks have been damaged in that post, and you should explain yourself to them! You owe them that much, at least!
Kathleen,
What was so wrong with the child you had aborted that it made you want to kill them? Why did you let one or more of your children live, and then decide to kill another? What circumstance in your mind justified ending the life of one of your children? The fact that you refer to the child you killed as “a potential child” proves that you are quite ignorant about this matter. A potential child would be a gamete. After those combine to form a new human being, there is an ACTUALIZED, REAL child involved, not just the potential for one.
I think you meant “…we are secular…”, and if so, I couldn’t agree more. That’s why I’m a secular Pro-Life woman. Because this is the only chance at life we will ever have, there is no idealized life in a heaven somewhere that aborted children can simply fly off to once their mothers have them killed. This is our one shot at life, and taking it away from a child when they’ve had little more than a few weeks is the gravest injustice against them that could ever happen, and it is perpetrated by someone who is supposed to be their protector, which only makes it all the more WRONG.
So please, tell me why it was okay for you to violate the bodily autonomy of your child in utero. Tell me what made that acceptable and justified. Tell me why your surviving children should be okay with you having done that to their sibling. Why shouldn’t they fear you?
Kathi/Kathleen,
You have covered the PP talking points quite well.
EXCEPT YOU FORGOT TO CAPITALIZE EVERY WORD AND USE THESE…..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY BODY MY CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I HAVE A RIGHT TO KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ABORTION IS LEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I HEART PP AND I ALWAYS WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SCREENINGS!!!!!!!!!!!! STD CHECKS!!!!!!!!!!!! BIRTH CONROL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM A WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There. Much better.
You’re welcome.
Abortion ends the potential life
What college is handing out nursing degrees to people who don’t even know when human life begins? Jeesh.
I’ve had a few angry nurses like Kathi. I let the hospital board know about them.
Kathi, what do you think about nurses opting out of being involved with abortion?
Hi Kath,
Sorry to hit your ‘knowledge’ but it isn’t potential-life but life-with-potential …. a very different dynamic!
Tell me, please just how you’ll explain to your kid that your body-autonomy was more important than his/her sib continuing to live. I know: guess he/she will just …. you know, have to suck-it-up!
Oh, yeah, “fetus porn.”
Those darn museums and their darn Holocaust victim “porn.”
Really. Come up with something original.
Seriously, Prax. What crazy institution is that? Certainly not Princeton.
http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
What college is handing out nursing degrees to people who don’t even know when human life begins? Jeesh.
When one has had an abortion and chooses to remain in denial about it, facts don’t really matter much.
A REAL legal term abortion, done 86 percent of the time between the 8th and 12th week, looks like a menstrual blood clot.
Where are you a nurse, Kathi? I do not want a nurse that thinks menstrual clots have faces, fingers and toes:
http://www.lifeissues.org/windows.html
Show us the real pictures. I’ll wait.
(MISOGYNY! BODILY AUTONOMY! I’M SO FREAKING ANGRY YOU DON’T THINK I SHOULD BE ABLE TO KILL MY OWN CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
cARLA, SORRY, BUT YOU INSPIRED ME.:)
Hmmm. Seems my prochoice passion has ignited some people. First, if my punctuation bothers you, don’t read my posts. That is what we call CHOICE. What do I call a nurse who opts out of abortion procedures? A person who shouldn’t have gotten into the nursing field to begin with. Any nurse who could refuse to take part in a medically necessary abortion, should be sanctioned by the nursing board. And I can’t think of ANY other situation where a nurse would be forced to participate in an abortion. If, in an ER situation, she/he objected to distributing PlanB or the like, then they are denying a patient requested medical care and again, should be disciplined by the nursing board. Any nurse who has religious/moral conflicts with the job she/he has chosen…should QUIT the profession.
My abortion was based on a pregnancy that was a result of failed BC that was used correctly and conceientiously. I did not want another child. I could not afford another child. And I did not want to Put a child out for adoption. You can call that “selfish” until the cows come home. Doesn’t bother me in the least. Youd be right I was selfish. My body and my families well being was more important than that fetus, period. And the subject “when does live begin” is subjective according to your beliefs. It has been argued over and over by medical experts, theologians, politicians, etc and no one can conclusively say when…because its an opinion based question. And please, feel MORE than free to NEVER be one of my patients!! I take no issue with that. I have been deeply fulfilled by my nursing, the lives I have saved of SENTIENT people and even those I have escorted to death. I am a full on supporter of Death With Dignity and applaud Oregon and Washington for having the compassion to pass doctor assisted deaths of the terminally I’ll with NO legal repercussions. I hope to live to see the day when ANYONE with a fatal or debilitating disease can dictate their own end of life decision. I do not consider a nonsentient fetus with no CNS, brain function, myelin/ nerve pain sensation or brain function..to be that of a living, breathing person. It’s that simple. And since I am an Atheist, I have no religious issue with choice at all. I do find it funny though that someone here interprets a woman wanting her freedom of choice as “angry”?!? And it confuses the hell out of me that something that is MY choice, MY body and MY fetus is a subject matter that total strangers feel they have the authority to rule on. Do I tell you what medical procedures to have? How to raise your kids or how many to have? What substances to put in your body? Nope. It’s not ANY of my business. Just as my reproductive choice to abort isn’t any of your business. Again, if you morally, religiously, physically object to abortion…you don’t ever have to have one or pay for one. If you feel you want to be a “voice” for the rights of MY fetus…go right ahead. I’m sorry to tell you that our Constitution protects my decision and a nonsentient fetus is legally trumped by the body it was conceived by. So, I’m curious. Are you also against medically necessary abortions? Because I hate to break it to you, your local hospitals are performing them all the time. Why isn’t anyone picketing and protesting them?
Was this quote from Kathi a deliberate or accidental act of irony:
“Our mobilization has killed EVERY Personhood Bill attempt in this country and will continue to do so.”
Kathi, I’m sorry but you’re behind the times, you must use more euphemistic language. Try, “..has prevented the development of every personhood…” You see, when you use words like kill, you’re speaking OUR language. You wouldn’t want to be seen by your peers agreeing that abortion murders a person.
I’m anti-abortion because I see value in each human life, no matter how small. But when abortion becomes illegal again, I will savor just a wee bit how much it annoys the anti-lifers.
“Don’t like Rape? Don’t commit one, but don’t tell someone else they can’t rape. Don’t like stealing…”
FYI rape and stealing are crimes. Abortion isn’t.
Kathi, does calling your son or daughter a “fetus” help you distance your heart from what you actually did, which is kill your child? “Fetus” is just another name for human development, like infant, adolescent, teenager, etc.
That was your baby you so cavalierly killed because you just weren’t ready. Sorry, but as long as there are folks like you who believe that there are grades of worth depending on where you happen to fall on the spectrum of age, we will be here.
Who told you the lie that your baby was worthless? And what happened to you that you actually believed them?
Oh, CC, get off the merry go round, would you? In the 1840s you could (and probably would have) said, “Don’t like slavery? Don’t own one.” Because owninbg a slave is NOT A CRIME.
We try to get it right with our laws, but, as evidenced by abortion, we oftenn fall short of protecting the weakest members of society. Just bacuse something is lawful does not bestow upon it the imprimatur of goodness.
First, if my punctuation bothers you, don’t read my posts. That is what we call CHOICE.
“Don’t like; don’t read!” Seriously? The cry of every terrible writer in the world. Because it’s such a shame when people are able to communicate clearly with one another. That’s just awful. Why bother to write correctly when you can just say “Screw grammar! People should be able to figure out what I mean no matter how poorly I write!”
(I’m not even going to dignify the rest of your bad logic with a response. With an opener like this, there’s not much point.)
Kathi,
what was so different about the fetus(es) you allowed to come to term vs. the one you killed pre-term? And how do the fetus(es) you DIDN’T kill feel about you killing the other one?
Too bad but in my world, a fetus is a fetus and a child is a child. If you choose to call a fetus a child…go right ahead. Not emotional problem or separation, just a medically correct terminology any medical professional would use for in utero. If I’m pregnant, it sure as hell isn’t a child, teenager or toddler in my uterus?! And no one “told me it was okay” to “kill my child” as you insist I say, thinking it will make me all weepy and filled with guilty regret. I decided it all by myself, with my own brain and my own intellect. Smart women don’t NEED to have decisions made for them by others. They can do it ALL by themselves!! Sort of like when I decided to have my child or adopt my other one. Used my head, nobody else’s. And KILLED is EXACTLY what I meant in referring to these inane Personhood Bills. And KILLED is what they shall be. How the hell does anyone think it will stand up in SCOTUS that a fetus is a full person, with the rights to life insurance, food stamps, welfare, voting, unemployment, disability and TAXES. Are you going to ask a fetus to file a return? Give it deduction status while it’s in utero? Allow it’s low income mother to collect benefits for an entire other person?
I find it so funny that you collectively seem to think that guilt induction and words are going to change someone’s views on choice. If it makes ANY of you feel better, here goes. I walked into a clinic, plunked down $300, and watched them MURDER my CHILD against my wishes?!? ANY words you want to use like kill, murder, child, baby…don’t make a bit of difference. I know what the result of my abortion was, I’m not an idiot. I Aborted a fetus that could have grown into a child. I did it willingly, without force, without regret and with full knowledge of the consequences of the procedure. And I haven’t regretted it for one second since. I know in my heart I did the right thing. ESPECIALLY when I look at my child. Having that abortion gave her a life she never could have had if I had birthed that fetus. I decided to choose a living, breathing child’s future for a good education, housing, food and comfort, over a fetus. MY CHOICE. And i Wont stand by idle while women are faced with hard decisions and dont have options available to them. Walk in my shoes and then you can judge. Until then, it’s irrelevant.
CC says:
FYI rape and stealing are crimes. Abortion isn’t.
Ah yes. Your favorite nonsensical retort. “Abortion is LEGAL!!!”
FYI: The killing of Jews & others during the Holocaust = legal. The punishments meted out during the various Inquisitions = legal. For the first 90 years of this country’s history, owning slaves in the south = legal. You still want to insist that legal = right?
Kathi, Easy cobra.
Do you have high blood pressure? So much anger is not good for your health. Ask any prolife nurse.
And I haven’t regretted it for one second since.
And yet here you are on a prolife blog defending your choice to kill your child’s sibling. . . . . . .
What is so amazing about your living child’s life that your dead child had to be sacrificed?
And if you’re so smart, how come you couldn’t figure out how to provide for the children you conceived vs, allowing one to live and the other to die?
PS-it’s means it is, not a posessive pronoun.
I’m sorry, Kathi, but both my children, even when they were “just” gestating embryos/fetuses, were human beings with lives every bit as valuable as mine. Even when I was homeless and pregnant with my first child-my daughter. Even when her father wanted me to kill her in an abortion because I was the only one working, and I had to quit my dangerous job. Her life was and is JUST THE SAME VALUE as mine. No more, no less. And no circumstance I was in would’ve justified me having her killed. No desire not to be in that horrible situation would’ve legitimized her execution. No future plan I had, no dream of mine, no lack of resources, would’ve made paying a doctor to have her killed the right thing to do. It wouldn’t have been right to do that to her, no matter how young and undeveloped she was. And, it wasn’t right for you to do that to your child, either. That wasn’t your body. You made a choice to die for someone else. That’s a heckuva lot different than the idea of “Death With Dignity”. There might be dignity in opting for YOURSELF to die rather than live. I disagree, but this is what is ACTUALLY a matter of “bodily autonomy” and “personal choice”. Abortion is nothing like that. You made the choice for someone else. And we’re going to stop this. When life begins is not a matter of belief or personal taste, no more than colorblind people can say the sky is actually green and have it be true. Ignorance might be bliss, but it is not a reality sculptor.
Kathi says: My abortion was based on a pregnancy that was a result of failed BC that was used correctly and conceientiously.
And there are still those that want to deny there is a link between abortion and contraception? And no, xalisae, I’m not saying in 100% of cases. But here you have a woman that blames her pregnancy on failed BC, not on her sexual activity. So, of course there is no problem aborting that little fetus that shouldn’t have been there anyway, since she was “conscientious” about taking her BC. Argh!!
Kathi, is it “MY fetus” or “that fetus”? One reference suggests possession and the other suggests revulsion. Interesting.
How the hell does anyone think it will stand up in SCOTUS that a fetus is a full person, with the rights to life insurance, food stamps, welfare, voting, unemployment, disability and TAXES. Are you going to ask a fetus to file a return? Give it deduction status while it’s in utero? Allow it’s low income mother to collect benefits for an entire other person?
“That fetus” deserves the right to life. And it’s very interesting, the disconnect society has when it comes to this. They seem to believe that prenatal care for the health of “that fetus” is a MUST!!!! But hey, if you figure you don’t want it, then “that fetus” not only doesn’t deserve a healthy prenatal environment, “that fetus” deserves death.
Hate to tell you this, but your toddler doesn’t have the right to receive unemployment, nor does he pay taxes, nor can he vote. He is dependent upon his parent to provide for his needs and to fight for his most basic rights, just as “that fetus” is. You do realize that there are plenty of “full persons” around today who don’t have rights to such things, yes? But I get it. Hyperbole helps you to distance yourself a little more from your “choice” that you’re here, on this pro-life website, not regretting in the least.
I don’t regret having “MY tonsils” or “those tonsils” removed, but I don’t usually go around talking about how little I regret it, either.
Lrning-
That’s why I interjected MY little “failed BC” story. People like Kathi shouldn’t be able to write of the death of her child as “Not MY fault! It was the birth control!”
She “plunked down” the cash for the killing. She made the appointment. She sat in the stirrups. Preferring to raise one spoiled child while killing the other instead of doing your best for both is on HER, not a little pill.
Only the people that want to deny to oportunity of life to others have not come to any agreement when life begins. those who went to nursing school sould know better that: a dead egg can not reproduce, a dead sperm can not reproduce. So a living egg joints a living sperm to continue the proces of life. very simple for inteligent and reasonable people.
Kel and Kathi,
Don’t forget that a pregnant mom actually DOES receive increased social program benefits for her gestating child with things like Medicaid, WIC, and food stamps. Did I mention I’ve been poor and pregnant before, Kathi? I know this from experience. How poor were you when you HAD to kill your child?
Actually Kathi, biology has proven that life begins at conception.
“What modern science has concluded is crystal clear: Human life begins at conception. This is a matter of scientific fact, not philosophy, speculation, opinion, conjecture, or theory.” (source: http://www.jashow.org/wiki/index.php?title=What_Does_Science_Reveal_About_When_Life_Begins%3f)
As far as nurses participating in abortions, I am a future nurse and I have NO intention of assisting in an abortion procedure. The only exception to that would be in a case like that of Tonya Reaves who was taken to a Chicago hospital after being left to hemorrhage for 5.5 hours following an INCOMPLETE 2nd trimester abortion at PP.
And finally, Kathi, the term “child” can apply to offspring at any stage of development. I’m STILL a child of Mr. and Mrs. Xalisae’s Mom & Dad, even though I’m an adult. My children have always had the genetic identity of being my children at every stage of their lives, and they still do. A DNA test will side with me over you, I’m afraid, because science has a Pro-Life bias, and you’re in a heap of denial.
Don’t forget that a pregnant mom actually DOES receive increased social program benefits for her gestating child with things like Medicaid, WIC, and food stamps.
Yes, very true, X. I guess maybe that would fall under the “if I want ‘that fetus’ then prenatal health is important” category from my statement above.
Kathi/Kathleen,
I thought nurses were supposed to HEAL not encourage people to prematurely end their lives or the lives of their in-uteral baby. But then again, maybe I’ve been blinded by the fact that all the nurses in my doctor’s office (and ones I know personally) always seem interested in HEALING people, not in ending any life.
KathiKathleen
Yes, we all know about the Hyde Amendment. The government contribution to PP in 2010 was over $450,000. How much more would a PP abortion cost if PP was not receiving money from government sources? Please do not pretend that tax dollars are not funding abortions.
Are you serious about supporting bodily autonomy in all cases, or are you claiming to support bodily autonomy only to justify abortion? Would you sit idly by and watch your mother/daughter/sister/girlfriend mutilate herself, inject herself with herion, drive while blind drunk, cut her wrists open in a suicide attempt or commit any other self destructive act? We have no way to tell if your answer is truthful or not but I don’t think the significant females in your life would believe you if you looked them in the eyes and said that you wouldn’t care if they committed suicide because you support their bodily autonomy.
Oh – and what rights should fathers have in the abortion decision?
I don’t regret having “MY tonsils” or “those tonsils” removed, but I don’t usually go around talking about how little I regret it, either.
pfft. That’s on you, Kel. I think it’s perfectly normal that I spend 14 hours a day on Jehovah’s Witness websites letting them know how justified my orthodontic surgery to extract my wisdom teeth 12 years ago was. /sarcasm
Hhaah X you never fail to make me laugh. :)
Kathi/Kathleen,
I know you don’t care, but you sound bitter, angry, and seething. Take a breather. Sip some lemonade. Calm down and take some time to just enjoy the silence (or are you afraid of silence?).
You know, I agree with what X said. How is it that, despite YOUR brain and YOUR intellect, you couldn’t figure out a way to raise both your born child and the one you aborted? I know this is going to come as a huge shock to you, but children can actually do very well when raised in a family with not a lot of resources. OMYGOSH WHAT?!!?!??!
Yes. I know, it’s scary. But I was raised in a single-income, relatively poor home with four kids. We didn’t get designer clothes, we didn’t eat out that often, never took a vacation to Europe, didn’t get “the best” eduction (whatever the heck that even means). But guess what? I grew up with love in the house, lots of it. I’ve turned into a happy, productive member of society. And you know what? By your snotty standards, I probably didn’t have the “best” possible upbringing. My parents didn’t have money. By choosing to have my other three siblings, yeah, they couldn’t spend as much money on me, but I wouldn’t trade my siblings for the world.
Why? Because they’ve helped build character in my life. I learned conflict resolution with them, I learned to love people who annoy me, how to speak civilly to those who I don’t “feel” good about. They taught me to share, protect, and help those who can’t help themselves.
And yet you denied your child that type of experience. How utterly tragic.
One thing all of you pro-aborts are so devoid of is genuine, selfless love. Oh, you can scream at me and claim otherwise, but I see absolutely no selfless love in your posts. Passing affection, perhaps, but not true love. Where’s the joy in your life? I hope for your sake you can discover love and joy and hope and peace.
Poverty is not the end of the world. It is not the end of existance. try living in a third world country. How much of your precious stuff do you need to survive, huh? Cause I’m telling you, I thank God I was born in America and I have what I have, but I know that I could lead a meaningful life on far, far less. Why? Because my self-worth and life’s meaning isn’t found in things and resources, but rather in love and those around me and what I can do for others.
Get well soon.
“I think it’s perfectly normal that I spend 14 hours a day on Jehovah’s Witness websites letting them know how justified my orthodontic surgery to extract my wisdom teeth 12 years ago was. /sarcasm”
LOL. I myself keep only spend 10 hours a day on it, but mine were only removed last year, so maybe I’ll become more passionate with time.
Dear Kathi/Kathleen;
Since you are an atheist, then nothing we say should “confuse the hell out of” you. And what do you say to the pro-choice woman who told me that her aborted children “had all gone to heaven”. I didn’t tell her that it is impossible for “blobs of tissue” to go to heaven.
I did ask another pro-choice woman, a staffer at Planned Parenthood, why does Planned Parenthood run cover for negligent abortion providers who run unsanitary clinics. Why does Planned Parenthood run interference on state governments who attempt to hold these rogue abortionists accountable?
Perhaps you can answer the question in a manner that doesn’t make Planned Parenthood sound like the pro-choice equivalent of Scott Roeder defenders.
“Having that abortion gave her a life she never could have had if I had birthed that fetus.”
…’birthed a fetus’? Thats a new one. The hoops pro-aborts jump through to avoid saying ‘baby’. When you’re lying you have to keep words straight though…
Jasper, yeah I’ve never heard that one either. And we’re the ones who see women as “breeding cows?”
No offense, but I’ve never congratulated my friends on birthing fetuses. ;) And no one sees women as breeding cows, it’s so ridiculous.
*sits back to eat popcorn while watching the verbal gymnastics of pro aborts*
“First, if my punctuation bothers you, don’t read my posts.”
OK.
OK folks, imagine this scenario. A car dealership tells everyone that if they come in to look at a car, they’ll get a free cup of coffee. So one day, 100 people visit the dealership. Of the 100 people, 97 opt for the free coffee. But only 3 people buy a car. Therefore, by proabortion logic, selling cars is only 3% of what the car dealer does. The other 97% of what they do is give away coffee. Now change “cars” to “abortions” and “coffee” to “birth control”.
The pro-life argument will never be won on the basis of trying to tell women that abortion is murder. It will only be won as more people on both sides of the aisle realize how abortion hurts women. Clinton used to argue that abortion should be safe, rare, and legal. Unfortunately we have met the third standard but we are far from the first two. The reality is this: abortion hurts women. It hurts them physically, psychologically, relationally, and culturally. Women who have had abortions suffer an increased risk of anxiety, depression, and suicide. Post- abortive women also experience night mares and flashbacks. Abortion also increases the risk of infertility and things like placenta previa. It also doubles the risk of pre-term birth in later pregnancies. But that’s just the beginning. The link between abortion and breast cancer is also well documented. We could go on and on. With such devastating “side-affects,” it should be clear that anyone who is pro-woman is also pro-life.
The reality is this: abortion hurts women. It hurts them physically, psychologically, relationally, and culturally. Women who have had abortions suffer an increased risk of anxiety, depression, and suicide. Post- abortive women also experience night mares and flashbacks. Abortion also increases the risk of infertility and things like placenta previa. It also doubles the risk of pre-term birth in later pregnancies. But that’s just the beginning. The link between abortion and breast cancer is also well documented.
The reality is also this: Abortion is murder.
“The pro-life argument will never be won on the basis of trying to tell women that abortion is murder.”
If it wasn’t I would be prochoice. There are many bad side effects involved with abortion, but I have no interest in telling people that they are not allowed to destroy themselves. Abortion kills an innocent human being who did not choose to die. If it didn’t I wouldn’t care.
Dear Kathi,
FYI
I am a moderator here. One of my duties is to READ the posts of commenters such as yourself. Whether they are punctuated correctly or not. So…….I read yours. :)
I am sorry that you feel you have to come here to justify your abortion. I am sorry that you bought the lies. You were a mom when you conceived.
IF you ever need help and support and abortion recovery you can find me here.
OR
http://www.rachelsvineyard.org
PS
I could care less what some Hollywood actress says about PP!!
Cause that is where the starlets go for their abortions???
AS IF!!!
Good grief – I’ve got to slow down and proofread. I left 3 zeros off the $ amount posted at 4:43 pm. Actual amount of 2010 government contribution to PP – $487,400,000.
Xalisae, I heart you, but oh the pain I felt when I read this: “I think she was in the Twilight Games”
Twilight and the Hunger Games are nothing alike. Twilight sucks. Big time. Like, misogynist crap big-time.
The Hunger Games trilogy is flipping amazing! Beautiful social commentary. Amazing war story. Big, strong female lead. A less-nauseating love triangle. Nothing like Twilight. Nothing.
Now, we can move on to the topic of discussion again ;)
also, JDC, if you have a bookface, you should totally be my friend and stuff.
The irony is that the only role I have actually seen this actress was a pregnant woman on Scrubs. In the show, the parents really considered abortion an option when first finding out, but they decide to have their son. Partway through, her character tells the father that she had miscarried, which was untrue, and he later finds out at a medical convention that his son was still very much alive. So, since I always tended to dislike her character for being so deceitful, it only makes sense that the actress is so ready to act like the junk she says is true. Shame though.
I think that “Kathi” is a pro-life plant, tasked with highlighting the deceptions and horrors of abortion and the pro-abortion movement.Also, her posts generate lots of comments and buzz.
Well played Jill! Keep up the great work :)
Xalisae, I heart you, but oh the pain I felt when I read this: “I think she was in the Twilight Games”
You got trolled. :3
I get nauseated by most drama-type stuff, so I tend to look at anything with a “love triangle” through rolled eyes, and it’s hard for me to take stuff like that seriously at all.
But I left a clue that I was trolling when I made the comment about mahogany. ;P
Ah, Trollestia! X you are even more awesome than previously thought, which, in your case, is saying quite a lot! :)
And here I thought “Mahogany” was a sly reference to the Diana Ross movie. Don’t make me slog back through this thread!
“A REAL legal term abortion, done 86 percent of the time between the 8th and 12th week, looks like a menstrual blood clot.” – Kathi/Kathleen
If you’ve never seen an ultrasound at 10 weeks, you shouldn’t claim to know what a “pregnancy” looks like at that stage. If you have, you should have your eyesight checked. That was the first time I saw my son, a little tiny peanut to be sure, but adorable and wonderful, and nothing at all like a blood clot.
I mean, he looked like a baby because he was a baby – ummm, I wasn’t referring to an actual peanut. (I can’t assume we all know a baby isn’t a peanut).
For my part, I can’t figure out what kind of stupidity imagines that the value of a thing depends on its morphology alone. If you had a diamond in the rough the size of a 10 week fetus, there are people who would kill for it. If it’s a human life, though, there are people who happily kill it.
“Gee, when photons hit my eyes I just see a blob!” Fine. Cut a blob-shaped piece out of your finger. It’s blob-shaped, right — so it must not have much value.
I seriously lose patience with people who are wowed by morphology. “It looks like a freaking fish!” Well gee then, I guess it’s a fish! You’re a freaking genius!
I have read all your responses with vast amusement, especially the ones that assume I’m regretful, depressed, in need of counseling, etc. my abortion was 20 years ago and I haven’t had ONE nightmare, flashback, regret or depression over it. As I said, I knew what I was doing and made a careful and considered decision. No issues.
The only reason I came here to begin with is because Jill Stanek finds it necessary to tag all of her posts to the PPH Action page. And detest for her runs deep over there. We don’t want to read her posts, see her face or hear her lies. So today, we simply asked the moderators to remove her. It remains to be seen if they will or not. PPH doesn’t often delete posts unless they are threatening against a supporter. It is sad that Jill Stanek allows outright lies to be posted here, such as the breast cancer/abortion link or the depression/suicide post abortion. Both these points have been debunked by medical institutions like The American Cancer Society and NIH…clearly places that have no choice agenda. Not providing accurate and truthful information to women with an unwanted pregnancy is just negligent. PPH gives you the three options during counseling before ANY decisions on procedures…adoption, abortion or childbirth. Show me ONE CPC that does that and is staffed by trained medical personnel. I read the stories of woman who were lied to by the antichoice movement every day on PPH. And their hostility is palpable and they relay that info to women trying to make reproductive decisions. Therefore, the lies and misinformation catches up to your cause.
While this has been great fun reading for me and an eye opening experience into the strategies used by the antichoice movement, my work is over at PPH, NARAL and my own activism writings. I have been writing and publishing for prochoice causes for 15 years under a pen name. Much as I am passionate about abortion rights, I don’t care to be the next Dr. Tiller.
And I’m more than HAPPy to answer your question. Was I broke? Yes, by my standards, I was. All the hearts and flowers stories of homeless women who had unwanted children doesn’t mean anything to me because you aren’t ME. My situation was unique to me and it was my choice. My daughter fully knows about my abortion and is grateful I had the foresight to know that I only had the economic resources to care for one child. My decision meant an excellent education for her, college, travel for studies, internships in her chosen field and many other opportunities that will insure she can be an educated, independent woman. And yes, she is prochoice, just as my mother and grandmother were. I walked for NOW with my mom and Gloria steiman, Bella Abzug and it was a truly wonderful experience to see women FINALLY having a say over their lives. All your immature remarks about punctuation, attacks on my nursing degree, inferring my child is “spoiled” and the near constant demand that I call it a baby and refer to it as murder…is silly immature debate. Didn’t you see where I said, if it makes you happy, ” I went to an abortion clinic and MURDERD MY CHILD” If those terms make you feel better about your position, you just got them from me, twice. And saying it both times didn’t make me feel guilty or regretful.
If it helps you to just write me off as a cold, emotionless, unhappy person…feel free. You don’t know me at all. I adore my children with all that I have and would do anything I can for them. And yes, that includes laying down my own life. I have an intelligent daughter who is loving, articulate, very intelligent and has never been pregnant, had an STD, doesn’t smoke, drink, take drugs and is in a monogamous relationship. We’ve had an open door policy about sex, reproduction and BC. And it’s never been a problem. I adore my husband, he loves me and we have a very happy family that is extremely close. I guess you picture us all as child hating, depressed, bitter women. You’d be surprised to know that most of the PPH action members are mothers…by CHOICE. Most are married and not “kids”. And our teen members are educated young women who want to preserve the rights their mothers and grandmothers fought so hard for.
I’ll give you a little prochoice hint. The aborted fetus pictures are ineffective. These kids were raised on special effects in movies and with photoshop. Your constant barrage of aborted fetus pictures has numbed them out. They can spot a fake a mile away, and a late term abortion photo. These are NOT dumb girls. And the guilt trips only make them angrier and more closed to discussion. Guilt induction is passé to them. They were raised by a generation who taught them guilt is a useless emotion. Religion? Stay away from it. The majority of our youth are Atheists…more than even I can believe. Lots and lots of Buddhists, pagans and Wiccans as well. What they RESPECT and LISTEN to is statistics and medical studies from REAL places, credible sources. They ate Internet savvy. They all know Lifenews is BS and they will turn the off button in their brain the second the see the word. Maybe instead of slut shaming them, preaching to them and guilt tripping them…you should just LISTEN to them. And, in my perfect world, respect the fact that they have their bodily autonomy and right to legal abortion as far back as they can remember. Their not going to budge if you play the games you’ve played with me here…the personal attacks, the guilt, the shaming, the slamming of my hard earned education and career. But hey, who am I kidding. Whatever It Takes, right??
Please post the links to the REAL photos you have of babies after they are aborted. Since the fakes are spotted a mile away……
Waiting.
I am sure you will be just so, so proud of your daughter the day you drive her to PP to abort your first grandchild.
Take your lies and take your leave, Kathi. Unless you want to keep defending and justifying your abortion?? The fact that you can’t stop telling us how amazing your life and family is only points to your denial. It confirms what is already known about PAS. Guilt is useless? I suppose that is what you have to try and believe when you have done something wrong!!!
If abortion DIDN’T take the life of an innocent, preborn human being I wouldn’t have a problem with it. At all. But it does. And I do.
And the youth of our country? Overwhelmingly prolife.
You and yours censor ALL voices that speak the truth about abortion. Hurry delete the prolifers! Ban them! Moderate them! No opposing viewpoints! Nothing contrary!!
But here? You have had an open forum to type the days away……….
Kathi says - I adore my children with all that I have and would do anything I can for them. And yes, that includes laying down my own life.
Except for the offspring you killed, of course. That one was forced to lay down its life for “excellent education, college, travel for studies, internships in her chosen field and many other opportunities”.
Kathi says – I’ll give you a little prochoice hint. The aborted fetus pictures are ineffective.
Actually, it was an aborted fetus picture that converted me from pro-choice to pro-life.
Still waiting for the REAL photos of abortion.
Kathi,
I too am a nurse, an RN, and I know for a fact abortion causes anxiety, depression, PTSD, and above all regret. Why is it so hard for you and your ilk to understand that we believe abortion is murder? Would you knowingly let women continue to murder their unborn children if (just try to empathize for a moment – I know you don’t believe this but we do ) you thought there was a chance you could save the child (and the mother)?
And I’m more than HAPPy to answer your question. Was I broke? Yes, by my standards, I was. All the hearts and flowers stories of homeless women who had unwanted children doesn’t mean anything to me because you aren’t ME.
Okay. So you convince yourself that you couldn’t possibly have let your child live because of your financial situation at the time. If that’s what helps you keep your picket fences white, sweetheart. Whatever rainbows your skittles and helps you sleep at night.
I’m glad all the “hearts and flowers stories” don’t mean anything to YOU, but they mean a lot to my daughter who gets who have her heart still beating and your child whose heart you stopped forever. Its obvious the hearts of others don’t mean squat to you, since yours has turned to stone.
But all the proselytizing about “controlling MY body!!!” doesn’t mean anything to me, because the child that died in your abortion wasn’t YOU.
These are NOT dumb girls.
No, from what you describe, they’re just brainwashed and coping with being told their mothers killed their siblings and fought for the “right” to kill THEM too, should they have wanted. That’s gotta take a toll, and I’m sorry you came from a cycle of emotional abuse where your own mother was apparently feeding you that crap, too. I’m just sorry you felt the need to perpetuate it, and eventually swallowed the line so far another one of your children paid for it in their blood.
The majority of our youth are Atheists…more than even I can believe. Lots and lots of Buddhists, pagans and Wiccans as well.
We have Pagans, too. I’m agnostic, myself. What’s your point? That you’ve managed to find a lot of people who claim to hold beliefs that contradict their religion’s basic tenants (“…an it harm none, do what ye will.”)? Woohoo. Go, you!
If it helps you to just write me off as a cold, emotionless, unhappy person…feel free.
Umm…okay. Will do! Anyone who can say that guilt serves no purpose, especially when talking about in the context of harming other human beings, and PARTICULARLY one’s child(ren)…There’s a name for that, you know. “Sociopath”.
But just for good measure, here’s a study from CHINA, who has a pretty good pool of women to choose from when it comes to abortion, along with pretty good record-keeping, I understand: http://www.apjcpcontrol.org/page/popup_paper_file_view.php?pno=MzMtMzUgMTIuMiZrY29kZT0yNzAxJmZubz0w&pgubun=i
But if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to go spend my daughter’s birthday with her. 10 years ago she was having “personhood” conferred on her (even though she was one of those icky “unwanted”s! The gall I have, right?!) by the magical, mystical tunnel of my vagina. Happy “Conversion from Tissue Blob/Cell Clump/Potential Child to Actual Child” Day, honey!
Breast cancer has almost doubled in the United States since 1973, when abortions were legalized. (Roe v. Wade) This dramatic rise is also worldwide, where there are abortions on demand. Studies have found that as the rate of abortions rise in America, so does the rate of breast cancer, with those women who have aborted having significantly higher rates.
Still, the NCI and the ACS refuse to include induced abortions as a breast cancer risk. They say the link is inconclusive, but they are wrong. The evidence is overwhelming. This is not good news for women, who are still actively being kept in the dark by the very agencies who should warn them about avoidable cancer risks. This is sad: to expose women to this kind of danger, when it could be easily avoided. This lie, perpetuated by the NCI and the ACS, when they say the link is inconclusive, has resulted in thousands of women dying needlessly, every year. It’s obvious why the billion dollar abortion industry will not warn women of this deadly risk prior to an abortion, but why the silence by the ACS, the Media, and what about NOW and other feminist groups? Isn’t the sole purpose of their existence to help women, or are they just a front for political agendas?
If they want women to have a choice, then why not give them all the facts to make an informed choice, since it will be the most important decision of their lives and will have everlasting consequences? How is it possible, that in our day and age, something like this could happen? The reason is political. The NCI and the ACS are in lock step with NARAL, Planned Parenthood and all the other abortion providers, as well as the pro-abortion Democratic Party. They are so afraid this news would be a major blow to the abortion industry, that they will do anything and everything to protect it.
Regarding Kathi, as Shakespeare said, “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
If she was really happy, she would go about her pro-choice life writing for pro-abort blogs. Not writing incessantly on pro-life sites to try to convince everyone how very happy and wonderful her life it.
Her desperation actually makes me kinda sad. I wrote her off as a troll initially, but it seems that she is reaching out for help, at least subconsciously.
Hi Kathi,
Your writing re.guilt jogged some long-forgotten memories. For most folks ‘guilt’ serves as a steer-clear sign of moral decision making. For a few (OVERLY sensitive types) a finally tuned sense-of-guilt is a sign/mark of their humanness.
During WWII some commandants of death-camps made light-shades from the skins of prisoners. When I first read this, I almost gagged in horror. ‘Where was their GUILT?’ thought I … ‘how could they? Yet remain alive …’ Then a decade or so later, I read about the populace of Dachow, Poland and how they claimed to be unaware of the atrocities. Their pride not-only-stiffled-any-guilt but actually allowed them to deride the Nazi’s for not-completing-the-job.
Out-of-mind were these atrocities, when a friend and I were playing football. His Dad had been in the Polish underground during WWII. While taking a break, my friend related this story: ‘The German soldiers (seeking fun) tied a pregnant girl by her wrist and dragged her with horses until her baby fell-out! They picked-up her babe and in front-of-her, threw the babe against a stone wall!’ Guilty, you betcha …. for being part-of-the-human-race.
There is much more …. please do not dismiss feelings of guilt/remorse so lightly.
Kathi/Kathleen says: “My situation was unique to me and it was my choice. My daughter fully knows about my abortion and is grateful I had the foresight to know that I only had the economic resources to care for one child.”
and also:
“You don’t know me at all. I adore my children with all that I have and would do anything I can for them. And yes, that includes laying down my own life. I have an intelligent daughter who is loving, articulate, very intelligent and has never been pregnant, had an STD, doesn’t smoke, drink, take drugs and is in a monogamous relationship.”
Do you have “One child” or “children”?
LifeJoy,
Well, she mentioned something about a child she adopted, but I guess that one isn’t so much one of her children as it is a self-imposed penalty for killing her other child. Did you name that one “Penance”?
FunFact: children are not interchangeable, and adopting one does not make up for killing another.
Aha, I see. Thanks, xalisae. I musta tuned out mid-rant, somewhere after “I did not want to Put out a
child for adoption” (so I killed him/her) and before “I adore my children with all that I have and would do anything I can for them. And yes, that includes laying down my own life.” Seems my confusion comes from more than poor skimming.
If Kathi thinks the abortion pics are “photoshopped” how about video of a real abortion actually taking place? http://www.abortioninstruments.com
Would video of an abortion taking place move her heart? Probably not-she needs Jesus!
It shows some of the desperation of the pro-aborsh movement when they claim abortion pics are photoshopped.
What do they think, babies are smiling and laughing as they slide down the vacuum tube or are being hacked apart?!?
Its just more of their “look away, nothing to see here” propaganda.
Indeed DaShondra!!
Dear Mrs. @Kathi Korteling ,
There are some words I feel called to share:
“Ah, you who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! / Ah, you who are wise in your own eyes, and shrewd in your own sight!” Isaiah 5:20-21 (It’s from an old book, but that book happens to be refreshingly accurate.)
And:
Definition of DOGMATIC
1
: characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly or positively as if they were facts
Are you “dogmatic” in your view of abortion? From your posts, I believe you are. And if you are, that is a sign of ignoring facts and blindly crusading. Don’t be angry with Mrs. Stanek for tagging Planned Parenthood in her posts: she isn’t dogmatic, she pays attention to facts. And the truth is something that Planned Parenthood needs very much.
After all,
a child is a child, no matter how small.
Kathi/Kathleen,
Actually my heart hurts for you and your comments. As LifeJoy stated, I could only skim most of what you wrote — it seemed so harsh. But one thing seemed to stand out — you called those of us who are prolife — zealots, which is synonymous to fanatic. Definition of a fanatic — “marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion”. Kathi/Kathleen, this really seemed to be your general overtone in your responses. I did appreciate your input and hope this is helpful to you.
Kathi said, she would give her life for her children,but kathi you took the life of another child. Tearing up a fetus, for the sake of the happiness of the other( you have defined for your daughter, what happiness is) is it justifiable?
I am glad and ever greatful to my parents, who didn’t think that I would be a burden to them and my siblings.