Pro-life blog buzz 3-22-13
by Susie Allen, host of the blog, Pro-Life in TN, and Kelli
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- Big Blue Wave links to an article by Matt Archbold at the National Catholic Register which claims pro-lifers are losing the abortion debate. BBW apparently agrees:
We’ve argued for the humanity of the unborn on the assumption that people accepted the intrinsic worth of a human being. Which they now don’t, because belief in God is waning. There is no way to argue the intrinsic worth of a human being without reference to God. We have a big problem and we need to confront it, pro-lifers.Hmm… I wonder what Secular Pro-Life would say in response to that.
- Pro-Life in TN follows the case of 26-year-old Lindsey Lowe (pictured left), who disguised her pregnancy, then smothered her twin boys at birth and hid them in the laundry hamper.
Lowe was sentenced to life in prison, with two counts of felony first degree murder, two counts of pre-meditated murder, and two counts of aggravated child abuse. The trial took six days with only two hours of deliberation. In summation, the D.A. apparently swayed the jury with these words: “speak for these two little boys who will never speak.”
- Clinic Quotes has a chilling statement made in 2008 by the head of the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, Ann Furedi:
We can accept that the embryo is a living thing in the fact that it has a beating heart, that it has its own genetic system within it. It’s clearly human in the sense that it’s not a gerbil, and we can recognize that it is human life… the point is not when does human life begin, but when does it really begin to matter? - Culture Campaign outlines several articles about why the Catholic Church (and Pope Francis) must take a stand against politicians who profess to be practicing Catholics while supporting abortion.
- Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life discusses the International Day of the Unborn Child, coming up on March 25.
- Live Action has some advice for Rand Paul and other potential 2016 presidential candidates on the life issue: stop with the mixed messages and learn to articulate your message competently.
- Kansans for Life informs prospective donors and volunteers to the National Multiple Sclerosis Society that MSS supports embryo-destructive stem cell research, despite the fact that “there are no MS cures or promising clinical trials using ESC. In fact, adult stem cells are providing actual successful treatments for MS.”
The MSS Mid America chapter has also “hired Kari Rinker (pictured right), [abortion advocate and former lobbyist for NOW], to be their voice at the state Capitol in Topeka this year[.]”
- Abstinence Clearinghouse posts an article about liberal Iceland’s effort to ban hardcore pornography online, stating it is a danger to women and children, having “very harmful effects on young people and can have a clear link to incidences of violent crime.”
- Accepting Abundance outlines the conflicting research on the morning-after pill, stating it should be rejected in all cases:
So does anyone know how the MAP works? It seems not. That the pro-MAP professionals changed talking points about its mechanism and about pregnancy, thereby circumventing the real question, seems to suggest that they do strongly suspect that the pills interfere with implantation, but will not admit it.In fuzzy language, the manufacturers conclude that prevention of implantation is not proven as a mechanism, but they cannot prove that it is not a mechanism even though other MAPs and uses of these drugs in different dosages are known to work by preventing implantation. They seem to think it is unreasonable to have to prove the negative, but that is a standard required of any other medication if the lives in question are valued by society.
Remember, professionals who promote the MAP have are not concerned with protecting embryonic human life; their motivation lies elsewhere.
RE: Quote from the head of the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, Ann Furedi; ” … the point is not when does human life begin, but when does it really begin to matter?” somehow reminded me of Hillary Clinton’s remark about the deaths in Benghazi, “What difference does it make?”
Chilling remarks from cold hearts!!!
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In the past our family had supported MS Society because my mother-in-law died of the disease.
No more.
Thanks for the update – we’ll spend our efforts and donations on pro-life causes.
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“What difference does it make?” – you appear to have taken her statement seriously out of context Patty.
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No, what Hillary was actually questioning the relevance of whose responsibility it was for those deaths.
But what’s a few dead soldiers? (or babies?)
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It’d be useful if you took in everything that was said rather than latch onto one thing which, without it’s context and relevance, backs your predetermined position.
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“We can accept that the embryo is a living thing in the fact that it has a beating heart, that it has its own genetic system within it. It’s clearly human in the sense that it’s not a gerbil, and we can recognize that it is human life… the point is not when does human life begin, but when does it really begin to matter?”
I am trying to understand why, but I have to admit that I am relieved when I hear people acknowledge science and expose a different kind of ignorance. While this perspective is more depraved, it looks uglier too. My hope that others would find it easier to reject makes this type of argument less frustrating to me. I suppose ultimately it just shows pro-abort appeals to science are slipping through their fingers.
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Perhaps the abortion debate is simply the wrong debate. Pregnancy requires that a woman’s belly become enormous and that she experience a great deal of discomfort, pain, and physical danger. Yet women complete pregnancies on a regular basis. Why are they willing to endure so much? Because they want to have babies.
Thus, the root of the debate should be about why women get pregnant who do not want to have babies.
@ Susie Allen: I support positive adoption language. However, no matter how this is phrased, it will be experienced as an abandonment by at least some adoptees. There are websites in which adoptees urge girls and women who have given birth to keep their babies. They understand there are difficulties in raising babies for immature, unmarried, impoverished young women. One alternative often suggested is “guardianship” whereby an affluent and stable childless couple takes the baby AND the young mother into their home, offering shelter and guidance to both.
I was interviewed a few months back for a documentary and had to discuss adoption at length. I had to discuss its pitfalls since I was interviewed for a documentary on teenagers who committed murder and was asked to discuss the case of Marlene Olive who killed her adoptive parents. This doesn’t mean she shouldn’t have been adopted!! Jim and Naomi DID experience joys of parenthood that they would otherwise had missed out on if they had not adopted Marlene.
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I’m glad to see the TN girl got life!! Bye bye. I’m for very harsh penalties for women who murder their children. Did you guys hear about the woman in Georgia who was walking her baby in the stroller. The 2 guys asked for money and when the mom said she didn’t have any the teens shot her in the leg and shot and killed her baby.
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Lindsey Lowe (pictured left), who disguised her pregnancy, then smothered her twin boys at birth and hid them in the laundry hamper.
For one – it’s inconceivable why she couldn’t just leave them somewhere at the hospital or church or whatnot, it’s not like she cares what’s going to happen to them. For second, I think USA is a very strange country – mother murdered her newborns and was jailed, if she went to a clinic and had them injected with poison before birth – it’s all fine and dandy and she exercised her right to “choose”, right?
We can accept that the embryo is a living thing in the fact that it has a beating heart, that it has its own genetic system within it. It’s clearly human in the sense that it’s not a gerbil, and we can recognize that it is human life… the point is not when does human life begin, but when does it really begin to matter?
It’s refreshing to see they’ve moved on from the “blob of tissue” and “products of conception”, even if they show just how intrinsically EVIL is the work they’re doing. I believe there will come a time when they’ll be able to get a correct answer to their question of “when it begins to matter” as well.
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I agree vita..stiffer penalties should exist for these women. I was a babysitter for the neighborhood kids at the age of 13. I knew right from wrong and protected those kids. I remember the case of prom mom Amy Grossberg Jessica Coleman ( happened a few cities away from me ).., these women are all out free walking the streets after the brutal murders of their newborns. I don’t think any of them should have ever seen the light of day again. That sends the wrong message. Just kill your kids andd the state will go easy on you. Goooo TN!!!
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I’m am fully opposed to acts like TN mom’s being against the law as long as abortion is legal all nine months of pregnancy. Why should abortion and infanticide be treated any differently just because a doctor is involved in one case and not the other? It makes not one difference to the babies; they are all just as dead. It just adds to the cognitive dissonance that we are struggling under.
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Elaine says:
March 23, 2013 at 10:31 am
I’m am fully opposed to acts like TN mom’s being against the law as long as abortion is legal all nine months of pregnancy. Why should abortion and infanticide be treated any differently just because a doctor is involved in one case and not the other? It makes not one difference to the babies; they are all just as dead. It just adds to the cognitive dissonance that we are struggling under.
(Denise) At the present time, embryos and fetuses can’t be transplanted from womb to womb. A born child may be handed to someone else. That is the difference. That is why the TN mom goes to prison.
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I have a question for Secular Pro-life and Reality. We all assume human life has value, so where does significance (as a value) come from?
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Heather says:
March 23, 2013 at 9:50 am
I agree vita..stiffer penalties should exist for these women. I was a babysitter for the neighborhood kids at the age of 13. I knew right from wrong and protected those kids. I remember the case of prom mom Amy Grossberg Jessica Coleman ( happened a few cities away from me ).., these women are all out free walking the streets after the brutal murders of their newborns. I don’t think any of them should have ever seen the light of day again. That sends the wrong message. Just kill your kids andd the state will go easy on you. Goooo TN!!!
(Denise) The reason they are treated lightly is that many people believe they weren’t thinking right in the immediate aftermath of giving birth. For example, in the case that inspired the film “Agnes of God,” a Roman Catholic nun gave birth in a convent, strangled the baby, and then pulled out a chest of drawers and put the baby there. She had lost a lot of blood but still had the strength to pull out that chest which it took three nuns to move. That tended to suggest something going wrong in her mind. She didn’t even ask for a jury trial. She was found not guilty by reason of temporary insanity by a judge.
What do you think of this case, Heather?
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Hi Denise it’s nice to see you. Denise i remember that movie . I just can’t buy it though. I believe Jodi Arias was insane when she killed Tyler. Should the state let her walk free because she wasn’t in her right mind because she was so jealous over Tyler dating other women?
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@ Heather: I asked about the case that inspired “Agnes of God.” The judge found the nun not guilty by reason of temporary insanity. Do you believe the judge was wrong in that case?
I wrote an article on Jodi Arias but don’t see her as relevant.
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Do I believe the judge was wrong ..yes! Why should a woman who smothered heer kids be able to walk free? Who on earth would hire her? Infanticide is a terrible crime that is worthy of punishment!!
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