Abortion supporters alarmed by surge in abortion clinic closings
The growing number of abortion clinic closures in recent years has apparently reached critical mass. Liberals and the mainstream media are taking notice with alarm.
And either the clinics are closing at such a fast pace abortion supporters can’t keep up, or there have been so many they can’t count them all.
Either way, They can’t get the numbers straight. And it’s all good.
Think Progress, August 26:
According to a Huffington Post analysis, at least 52 abortion clinics across 26 states have shut down since 2010.
Whoops, that’s not what HuffPo reported, or perhaps it did a recount:
At least 54 abortion providers across 27 states have shut down or ended their abortion services in the past three years….
But on September 3, Bloomberg reported:
At least 58 U.S. abortion clinics — almost 1 in 10 — have shut or stopped providing the procedure since 2011.
This appears to be the most reliable figure at the moment, because the Bloomberg journalist did a fair amount of research, giving props to a website run by Operation Rescue:
… www.abortiondocs.org [lists] the addresses of current and former clinics are listed beside photos of doctors and owners.
It’s one of most comprehensive tallies, referenced by supporters and opponents of abortion rights alike. Using it as a starting point, Bloomberg verified at least 58 clinics that closed or ceased providing abortions in 24 states through phone calls to current and former area providers, information from state health officials and local news reports.
Love this quote by Elizabeth Nash, state issues manager at Guttmacher Institute:
This kind of change is incredibly dramatic. What we’ve been seeing since 1982 was a slow decline, but this kind of change … [is] so different from what’s happened in the past.
The other side blames (again quoting Bloomberg):
A wave of regulations that makes it too expensive or logistically impossible for facilities to remain in business drove at least a third of the closings. Demographic changes, declining demand, industry consolidation, doctor retirements and crackdowns on unfit providers were also behind the drop.
I’ll add that a few of the so-called “retirements” are by abortionists who saw what happened to Kermit Gosnell and want to creep off into the sunset without one last clinic inspection, hoping along the way former employees will forget what they know.
While we are on the topic of abortion clinic numerology, here are some more. From the Associated Press, September 5:
DALLAS - Four abortion clinics are preparing to shutter in the coming months as a result of stricter requirements imposed by a new state law regulating abortion….
Two others closed earlier this year. Amy Hagstrom Miller, founder and CEO of Whole Woman’s Health, said she’s heard of three additional clinics that are planning to close….
If all nine clinics end up closing, that would be about a quarter of all the facilities in Texas.
LifeNews.com, September 3:
An abortion clinic in Michigan where a woman was forced to have an abortion has closed down, according to… Life Dynamics… [which] says 10 abortion clinics in Michigan have closed down since November 2011.
And from an email from 40 Days for Life, September 9:
We were all set to announce the list of cities taking part in the upcoming 40 Days for Life campaign … when something happened. Planned Parenthood shut down another abortion center! Faithful volunteers in Midland, Texas were ready to start their FIFTH 40 Days for Life vigil outside that facility… but their prayers have been answered.
Plans were also in the works for a SEVENTH campaign in Toledo, Ohio. But there, too, God responded to the prayers of His faithful. The abortion center CLOSED!
And, as you probably know, volunteers in Bryan/College Station, Texas – the place where 40 Days for Life started – were getting ready for an unprecedented FOURTEENTH 40 Days for Life vigil outside the local Planned Parenthood facility. But God answered years of consistent prayer. The abortion center CLOSED!
This has now happened 40 TIMES. These latest closures bring the number of closed abortion facilities – where 40 Days for Life prayer vigils have been held – to 40!
Troy Newman, President of Operation Rescue, says pro-lifers are simply overturning Roe v. Wade in a different way.
“For 40 years we focused on overturning Roe v. Wade in Washington, D.C.,” Newman told me in a phone interview. “But the baby saved by a sidewalk counselor today has overturned Roe. When we run abortionists out of clinics, we overturn Roe. When we close a clinic, we save babies, and Roe is overturned. All of this makes Roe irrelevant and outdated.”
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Celebr8!
Troy Newman is really deluded. I wonder how that new clinic in Wichita is working out for him?
When push comes to shove and the abortion industry has to show how much they really “care about women” by accepting lower profits in order to maintain accessibility to women’s “reproductive rights”, we see what they choose. They close down clinics because it’s “too expensive”. What these clinic closings do is expose the lies that the abortion industry cares about women or even believes that abortion is a “reproductive right”. The truth is that the abortion industry is all about profit. Pro-lifers knew it all along. Abortion hurts women and families and I’m thrilled that clinics are closing.
Today is a day during which we celebrate life. Pro-abortionists in this nation are to me the equivalent of internal terrorists who devalue the humanity of our species and strive to exterminate innocent lives. Many women have been dis-serviced by the false propaganda disseminated by pro-abortionsts regarding what “choice” truly means for them, for our society, and for our species.
Pro-abortionists have learned nothing from any tragedies that affected our land. They continue to devalue such individuals as Troy Newman who transcends every-one of these pro-abortionists. I for one, aspire to be just like Mr. Newman.
Message to pro-abortionists: Live and let live and do not propagate the internal terrorism of women.
I pray every day that every single abortion “clinic” is shot down and their owners prosecuted for misues and abuse. Pro-life is making great strides. Do not get discouraged by those that attempt to stomp on us and devalue our message. We are prevailing…
Our communities do not miss the clinics. Only the activists and the profiteers.
When Wisconsin passed a law requiring abortionists to have admitting privileges at a local hospital, Madison’s Planned Parenthood closed doors (for a day, until an injunction blocked enforcement of our law).
I cannot figure out why they closed up so fast — The law only prevents their abortionist from operating. They could still dispense contraception, test for STD’s, screen for cancers, give pregnancy tests and provide adoption referrals — all the vital healthcare that makes of 97% of their services.
Don’t they care about helping women? Were they just trying to send a political message? Planned Parenthood — Don’t play politics with women’s healthcare!
Here is the challenge: the pro-abortion forces now will have to portray the plight of the women who were not able to access an abortion provider.
The story will have to step lightly around the baby, and the woman’s love for her baby.
They may try.
What will be tried, instead, will be the tired and invalidated story that these abortion centers were the only local place for getting [take your pick] clinical breast exam, Pap smear, or refill on birth control pills. They will have a difficult time noting that the clinic closed down due to an unflagging commitment to abortion. They will have to revert to euphemisms such as “women’s reproductive health services.”
If I sold widgets and only 3% of my widgets were made with ivory, then in order to comply with laws, I’d have to stop making that kind of widget. I’d still be able to perform 97% of my business operations.
When I lie to the public and tell them it’s 3% of my business, and the law makes me stop producing that product and I close down, it reveals that my 3% number is the big fat lie that it is. Al Franken can file this under lyin’ liars and the lies they’ve been telling.
While there can be little doubt that many closures have occured due to the defunding of womens healthcare programs by states controlled by knuckle-draggers, it would be useful to know how much of an impact other factors are having.
What is the current rate of unwanted pregnancies compared to previous years?
How many pregnancies are being ended by medical rather than surgical means?
Is there any change in the number being performed in hospitals?
Is the overall number of abortions falling to any great extent?
Let’s all also never stop pointing out, every time they lament all those closures, that women seem to be getting along just fine without the friendly neighborhood abortionist, that society is evidently perfectly capable of providing women with life-affirming choices, as long as the abortion clinic doesn’t beat us to the punch.
AHHHHHHHHH Life!!!
We are winning!!
And why can’t proaborts COEXIST with preborn, innocent human beings??!!
“We are winning!!” – sure you are. You may as well relax and go home then hey. But before you do, perhaps you could answer some questions.
How many new facilities have opened?
What is their capacity?
How much has the number of abortions fallen by?
How many terminations are now medical rather than surgical?
Your question seems to be missing a point. Or more.
And this is why we call you pro-abortion, Reality. You are disturbed by the idea of fewer abortions.
I’d be more than happy if there were no abortions. If they weren’t necessary, But for now they are. No woman wants to have to need an abortion. They don’t have them for pleasure, any more than a trip to the dentist is for pleasure. My concern is that women retain their personal freedoms and reproductive rights. The anti-choice crusade is fundamentally against this by attempting to restrict or deny abortion. Therefore I must oppose anti-choice actions and support access to abortions.
Reality,
Why would you be happy if there were no abortions? Why are they necessary? Has PP failed miserably when it comes to family planning and birth control?
“If they [abortions] weren’t necessary, But for now they are.” – Reality, this is incorrect. no abortion is ever necessary. A mother’s health is never improved due to an abortion. Pregnant women have their personal freedoms and their right to reproduce. It is only the abortionists who put an end to a woman’s right to reproduce when they perforate Mom’s uterus during the procedure that kills her already existing reproduction! The pro-choice Taliban fundamentally want to kill all babies that are deemed undesirable and unwanted. The pro-choice Taliban is promoting eugenics or population control of the unwanteds. Therefore I must oppose anti-life actions and support a baby’s access to their first breath.
The pro-choice side are the Cosette-killers.
“Why would you be happy if there were no abortions?” – why did you only read part of what I wrote? – ‘No woman wants to have to need an abortion. They don’t have them for pleasure, any more than a trip to the dentist is for pleasure.’
“Why are they necessary?” – because women may not wish to go through a pregnancy and delivery. The woman may be at risk. The fetus may not be viable.
“Has PP failed miserably when it comes to family planning and birth control?” – not at all. They are valiantly fighting an uphill battle against those who would restrict access to sex-ed and the correct use of contraceptives. I read an article the other day which said that those on long term reversible insert type contraceptives had a much lower rate of unplanned pregnancies. But it is never 100% reliable so abortion is also required.
“Reality, this is incorrect. no abortion is ever necessary.” – Tyler this is incorrect. What you mean is that no abortion is ever necessary according to Tyler’s views and beliefs.
“A mother’s health is never improved due to an abortion.” – that is simply not correct. You cannot determine the impacts on a woman’s state of mind or what future risks may be incurred by not having access to abortion.
“Pregnant women have their personal freedoms and their right to reproduce.” – yes, and they also have the right to not reproduce.
“It is only the abortionists who put an end to a woman’s right to reproduce when they perforate Mom’s uterus during the procedure that kills her already existing reproduction!” – same goes for mistakes that occur during delivery.
“The pro-choice Taliban” – now that is soooo funny! Who is it that wishes to restrict women???
“fundamentally want to kill all babies that are deemed undesirable and unwanted.” – no, they want women to be able to make choices about matters which affect their lives.
“The pro-choice Taliban is promoting eugenics or population control of the unwanteds.” – more conspiracy 101.
“Therefore I must oppose anti-life actions and support a baby’s access to their first breath.” – go for it, it’s your choice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM3MzWYa_-Y
Dear prochoicers be glad that you get to hear this. Some of your victims will not.
Javert, here is pro-choice Taliban in-action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKbYZnbiiH4
Here they only tried to take away her job. As the prochoice Taliban ”progressed” through the generations they simply decided to take away her child – different goal, same tactic, one more victim.
Uh Reality
Look at what YOU wrote.
I’d be more than happy if there were no abortions.
So kindly answer my question.
If a woman is at risk then she should be under the medical supervision of an OB/GYN who specializes in such pregnancies, as well as that of another medical specialist such as a cardiologist or neurologist. If an abortion is necessary to save her life, then she can go to a hospital. Abortions were legal to save a mother’s life prior to Roe v Wade.
Concerning PP. What is the “uphill battle”? Is contraception illegal in this country? Is the “correct use” of contraceptives rocket science? If PP is doing their job, abortion should be virtually non existent, wouldn’t you agree?
“So kindly answer my question.” – I’ve done so twice now, what ails you?
“If a woman is at risk…….cardiologist or neurologist. If an abortion is necessary to save her life, then she can go to a hospital.” – well that’s just jolly dandy for those who wish to proceed with such a pregnancy. What about her mental health?
“Abortions were legal to save a mother’s life prior to Roe v Wade.” – to varying degrees, and varying degrees of access.
“Concerning PP. What is the “uphill battle”?” – the prevention or impeding of adequate sex-ed in some schools and states and the removal of funding which assists in the provision of contraceptives to the less well off.
“Is contraception illegal in this country?” – not for want of some people trying.
“Is the “correct use” of contraceptives rocket science?” – no, the same article I referred to earlier said that just plain forgetting to take the pill was a major contributor.
“If PP is doing their job, abortion should be virtually non existent, wouldn’t you agree?” – they offer all the assistance they can. They can’t control peoples lives or take full responsibility for them. And anti-choicers aren’t making their job any easier are they.
We should rightly celebrate that these abortuaries closed. Hallelujah!!! But I have seen Planned Parenthood opening mega-centers throughout the US; each one larger than the last and one of these new killing centers commit more abortions then several of these older facilities put together. We must not let up until Planned Parenthood is completely defunded and we put them completely out of business.
Reality,
Why specifically would you be happy if there were no abortions? You’re trying to get around this question so please be specific. Telling me what women don’t want to do doesn’t answer the question.
Tell me the mental disorder that is treated by abortion. Also, exactly what do you mean by mental health?
Wait now. For decades PP has provided contraception and other “services” to women and gotten millions of taxpayer dollars to do it. So you are saying those millions have gone to waste and PP hasn’t done the job they said they were doing?
Reality,
The fact is abortions were available to save a woman’s life prior to Roe v Wade and were often abused. Prior to ultrasound and better pregnancy testing it was easier.
I asked if contraception was illegal in this country, not if some people want it illegal.
So the use of contraception isn’t rocket science. You mean sometimes people are actually responsible for their unwanted pregnancies? Would they be more careful if abortion wasn’t so readily available?
So you agree PP has not made much of a difference despite millions in taxpayer dollars.
Reality,
I no longer engage in any discourse with you.
You are a waste of my precious time.
Reality, if you would like to really see anti-lifers as they truly are and, paradoxically, appropriately, see themselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWlzFbmZZHU
Our communities do not miss the clinics. Only the activists and the profiteers.
Yep. Most of the people I know are worrying about jobs and taking care of their families and are not lamenting the fact that there are less abortion clinics around.
I do think Reality has some good points, though. Are new clinics being opened? Does the lack of independent abortion clinics mean that more abortions are being done by Planned Parenthood? I think a more thorough analysis is needed before we start celebrating.
However, I hardly think of Planned Parenthood as an underdog. They get millions of in our tax dollars, the support of the president, the one percent, and 99 percent of Hollyweird. In other words, cry me a friggin’ river!
“reality:” “My concern is that women retain their personal freedoms and reproductive rights.”
In the “Save the One Percent” thread I wrote the following in response to one of your pro-abortion assertions “reality” (and still remains there unanswered by you)(pasted below verbatim):
…..”I was not after any of your personal info “reality.” You shared from the time I joined this blog information that you have a son. A fault of mine is that I tend to think that anyone who has children would not ever tell them that “had your mother decided to abort you I would have supported her a hundred percent.” And that is what I truly wanted to convey to you Sir. Can you tell your son while looking into his eyes that you would have supported aborting him had your ex-wife asked for it? “Well you know son you are a fine 32-year old but…. ”
This dilemma affects children in the manner I just applied to your situation and so this to me is the crux of pro-abortionists’ message to kids (their own kids often). Living human beings, not just preborn children, are a part of this discussion.
If you look at how being pro-abortion affects your own offspring perhaps you will understand what I am conveying to you.
I apologize for using your son to illustrate my point… ”
You have omitted responding to this pro-abortionist dilemma, so now I am giving you the opportunity to do so on this thread…. (hint: answering this will give a little better insight into your statement I cited in the first paragraph).
No woman needs an abortion.
It is very difficult (perhaps impossible) to imagine a scenario in which there is no better alternative to abortion.
I too would like to know how or if this impacts the actual number of abortions being performed and/or if these facilities are being replaced with larger PP centers. At the very least this seems to me to be a good sign that recent regulations are getting the most dangerous of providers to shutter up their clinics – those who would rather close than expend any resources to ensure their facilities at least meet medical industry standards for sanitation and access. I believe that the closings of these clinics say a LOT to women about the priorities of abortionists.
I still know a lot of pro-choice/pro-abortion men and women, and the vast majority of them are starting to come around to question their beliefs in light of many of these recent events. One staunch pro-choice woman I know even mentioned to me that she felt that PP and not the pro-life movement should be the one leading the charge for reform and regulation to protect the safety of women who choose to abort. It clearly disturbed her to learn that an organization she supported for years doesn’t seem to give one iota about the women they claim to want to help.
I pray and have faith that as more and more people come to better understand fetal development and are exposed to the true nature of the abortion industry, that men and women will come to realize that life is the only choice worth protecting. I’ve always felt that exposing people to this truth could and would be more powerful than any law.
“It is very difficult (perhaps impossible) to imagine a scenario in which there is no better alternative to abortion.”
Their are very rare medical circumstances were both lives cannot be saved. In those cases, abortion is the best option because it is better to save one life than to lose two. However, in every other case the unborn’s right to life clearly outweighs any claim the woman could have on an abortion. So, yeah, I would say there is always a better alternative except for when the mother’s life is at risk.
JDC says:
September 12, 2013 at 2:46 pm
“It is very difficult (perhaps impossible) to imagine a scenario in which there is no better alternative to abortion.”
There are very rare medical circumstances were both lives cannot be saved.
We’ve heard rumors of these, but no one ever mentions what those conditions might be.
Preeclampsia (runaway high blood pressure) is the condition that is most commonly mentioned — but that rarely happens when an abortion can be done quickly enough to save the mother. The common treatment for acute cases is an emergency C-section — delivering a live baby, who may or may not be able to survive. If the preeclampsia is found early in the pregnancy, it can be controlled with rest and care until the child is developed enough to survive.
But yes, I suppose that one could imagine a rare medical condition by which both mother and child would die if the child was not killed by abortion. In the real world, such events are extremely rare — a few cases per year, if any. There is usually a better option available, one that attempts to save the mother and the child.
“You’re trying to get around this question so please be specific.” – no I’m not. Why would I?
“Telling me what women don’t want to do doesn’t answer the question.” – are you kidding? After all I’ve said about supporting women?
“Tell me the mental disorder that is treated by abortion. Also, exactly what do you mean by mental health?” – an unwanted pregnancy can have various mental health impacts due to factors such as stress, feelings of powerlessness and physical outcomes inducing mental impacts,
“Wait now. For decades PP has provided contraception and other “services” to women and gotten millions of taxpayer dollars to do it. So you are saying those millions have gone to waste and PP hasn’t done the job they said they were doing?” – not at all. They are valiantly fighting an uphill battle against those who would restrict access to sex-ed and the correct use of contraceptives but still provide much valuable service and assistance.
“The fact is abortions were available to save a woman’s life prior to Roe v Wade and were often abused.” – poor laws get abused. That’s one of the reasons why they get changed.
“Prior to ultrasound and better pregnancy testing it was easier.” – how so?
“So the use of contraception isn’t rocket science. You mean sometimes people are actually responsible for their unwanted pregnancies?” – sometimes yes, we are human after all.
“Would they be more careful if abortion wasn’t so readily available?” – I doubt it, the cat’s out the bag. There would simply be illegal abortions or people travelling.
“So you agree PP has not made much of a difference despite millions in taxpayer dollars.” – not in the least. It has made a huge difference, despite the interference and impediments put in its way.
That is entirely your choice Carla, I will however respond to your comments when I feel it necessary.
Thomas R., what on earth makes you think that the information I provided was for your benefit? That it was intended for you? It was in direct response to Praxedes questions.
Abortion was never actually a topic of discussion which arose during my son’s upbringing. It arose when he was older and came to know of people who had abortions. It turns out that he is pro-choice. He knows that his mother and I are both pro-choice. He knows I would have supported his mothers decision. He was chosen, he is here and he is fine. If the decision had been different then…nothing.
“Living human beings, not just fetuses, are a part of this discussion.” – I wish you would remember this.
“No woman needs an abortion.” – from Del’s perspective.
“It is very difficult (perhaps impossible) to imagine a scenario in which there is no better alternative to abortion.” – in Del’s world.
Reality,
Abortions could be performed under false pretenses, a wink and a nod type of situation. For instance the admitting doctor could say the woman has been bleeding and needs a diagostic D&C. Oops. Or claim her life is in danger because she had a previous bout of post partum depression. In fact that proved nothing,
Also Reality, I see you are not going to make any serious effort to address my questions so I will follow Carla’s wise counsel.
So you support a dishonest and perhaps illegal system?
I wrote “No woman wants to have to need an abortion. They don’t have them for pleasure, any more than a trip to the dentist is for pleasure.” – I also wrote “After all I’ve said about supporting women?” – what is it about this that you struggle with? I would rather women didn’t find themselves in circumstances which can only be dealt with through less than pleasurable experiences.
Carla did not proffer counsel, wise or otherwise. She ventured a personal opinion.
Reality,
Carla did not proffer counsel, wise or otherwise. She ventured a personal opinion.
A matter of perspective Reality.
Good morning Mary!!
Carry on sweet friend!! :)
“reality” - a lot is to be said about intellectual and moral dishonesty. You are not even capable to appreciate the miracle of life that your son is? I would have never imagined that there is a person on this earth who would have said to their own offspring “I would have supported your mother if she wanted to abort you.” Now I have learned of one – YOU.
Your son needs prayers to realize how he has been twisted to think that the miracle of life that HE IS means nothing.
And you, well do you remember Erikson’s stages of psychosocial development? The one that will apply to you very soon is EGO INTEGRITY VS. DESPAIR. Brush up on the specifics of this stage now as you will have to make some hard ”choices” about summing up your earthly existence. Will you then also utilize that intellectual and moral dishonesty we have gotten to know you by? May your conscience guide you as you embark on this final stage that is so much synonymous with reconciliation (for you in the non-religious sense) of one’s earthly deeds. I truly hope this final stage will not be lost on you. Amen.
Please do not respond to me from this point on. I no longer wish to be entagled by the negativity that represents your view of the miracle of life. My conscience is clear.
Good Morning Carla!!
Carry on I will.
Today I have a retirement potluck at work and then a cocktail with my sociopathic former co worker who is visiting from out of town.
He owes me a few drinks! I’ll just collect one today.
“Thomas R., what on earth makes you think that the information I provided was for your benefit? That it was intended for you? It was in direct response to Praxedes questions.”
I am making a general comment in regard to “reality’s” nonsensical statement above:
If I or anyone else share anything on a blog it becomes available to anyone who reads that blog and thus is fair game to comment on. Public domain laws apply here. Blogs are precisely for the purpose of responding to comments posted. I cannot expect anyone not to call me on anything I post here, whether directed to anyone in particular or just a general response. Likewise, the owner of this blog and volunteer moderators can do as they wish with our posts since once “add comment” is pressed, the response is no longer mine.
Is it me or is “reality” just peeved that I dissected the relationship he has to his offspring?
Hi Thomas R,
LOL. Someone actually thinks that info put on this blog will be exclusively for one person? The rest of us are illiterate or something?
It reminds me of these people who put private details of their lives on line for the world to read, then are bent out of shape when people comment on “what is none of their business”. If you don’t want the world to comment on your business, don’t tell them your business! Dahhhhhh.
Mary you are correct! it is that more dishonest on “reality’s” part since he proclaimed above that he will respond to Carla’s comments (he wrote: ”That is entirely your choice Carla, I will however respond to your comments when I feel it necessary.”). What hypocrisy!!! I guess that for our resident-philosopher its only a one way street as in don’t touch what I write but I can. I will dissect everything he posts here precisely as I feel it necessary.
“A matter of perspective Reality.” – not at all. Carla stated “I no longer engage in any discourse with you……You are a waste of my precious time.” – she spoke of her decision based on her perception. None of her words were words of recommendation or encouragement that others follow her decision.
“reality” – a lot is to be said about intellectual and moral dishonesty.” – really? Why is that? It is not I who demonstrates such.
“You are not even capable to appreciate the miracle of life that your son is?” – miracle isn’t the right term but yes I do appreciate the existence of my son. And he knows it.
“I would have never imagined that there is a person on this earth who would have said to their own offspring “I would have supported your mother if she wanted to abort you.” Now I have learned of one – YOU.” – if I claimed to be pro-choice and a supporter of women and then did not do so then I would be a hypocrite. It is those who haven’t ‘spoken’ it who are either intellectually or morally dishonest, not me. And wasn’t there an article on this very site where a woman had told her daughter she had wanted to abort her?
“Your son needs prayers” – no he does not.
“to realize how he has been twisted to think that the miracle of life that HE IS means nothing.” – there’s that inappropriate ‘miracle’ word again. My son knows he was truly wanted, not just accepted. He knows he is the most valuable thing in our lives. He knows he was given the best nurture and support possible.
“And you, well do you remember Erikson’s stages of psychosocial development? The one that will apply to you very soon is EGO INTEGRITY VS. DESPAIR. Brush up on the specifics of this stage now as you will have to make some hard ”choices” about summing up your earthly existence.” – oh don’t you wish it were to be so. Bad luck.
“Will you then also utilize that intellectual and moral dishonesty we have gotten to know you by?” – your inability to deal with those who don’t adhere to your beliefs, perspectives and desires is not of itself an indicator of anyones intellectual or moral dishonesty. Not even in you.
“May your conscience guide you as you embark on this final stage that is so much synonymous with reconciliation (for you in the non-religious sense) of one’s earthly deeds.” – my conscience is clear and I have reconciled myself to the mistakes and failings in my life. I learn, I adapt, I examine. I hope you can do the same.
“I truly hope this final stage will not be lost on you. Amen.” – who do you think you are?
“Please do not respond to me from this point on. I no longer wish to be entagled by the negativity that represents your view of the miracle” – what miracle?
“If I or anyone else share anything on a blog it becomes available to anyone………..whether directed to anyone in particular or just a general response. Likewise, the owner………the response is no longer mine.” – ah, an opportune moment to mention intellectual dishonesty. Praxedes asked questions. I gave answers. Knowing they could be seen by anyone. That’s fine.
You stated – “I was not after any of your personal info “reality.” to which I responded that it wasn’t provided for your benefit nor was it intended specifically for you.
“Is it me or is “reality” just peeved that I dissected the relationship he has to his offspring?” – it’s you. Besides which, do you seriously think that you have dissected the relationship I have with my son? If so then you are either morally or intellectually dishonest, or just plain delusional.
“LOL. Someone actually thinks that info put on this blog will be exclusively for one person? The rest of us are illiterate or something?” – see above Mary.
“Mary you are correct! it is that more dishonest on “reality’s” part since he proclaimed above that he will respond to Carla’s comments” – are you able to clarify your befuddled logic here?
“(he wrote: ”That is entirely your choice Carla, I will however respond to your comments when I feel it necessary.”). What hypocrisy!!!” – here would be good too.
“I guess that for our resident-philosopher its only a one way street as in don’t touch what I write but I can.” – more.
“I will dissect everything he posts here precisely as I feel it necessary.” – please feel free to do so. Just don’t ask why I told you something when I am actually answering someone else’s questions. And why do you say this here when just above you said “Please do not respond to me from this point on. I no longer wish to be entagled by the negativity that represents your view of the miracle.” – where does that fit on the scale of intellectual honesty/dishonesty?
“our resident-philosopher” – and what are you?
I will answer who I am “reality:”
I am PRO-LIFE and support all endeavors to that end. In my lifetime I have honestly and with integrity stood at the side of the miracle of life precisely because it defines my existence (without it I would not be). I am grateful to women for allowing our humanity the opportunity to carry on and am enriched when a new life is born. I realize that abortion is not the answer in the face of advancement in medicine and women’s health and other choices available to women. I look at the faces of my boys every single day and thank my wife for this miracle that I can be a part of ’til the end of my days.
I could go on and on…
The rest of your response was just BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH. I cannot read gibberish.
“I cannot read gibberish.”
Unfortunately, that’s the only language he’s fluent in.
Agreed, JDC. I’ve said it before, but I can only skim some of his “comments.”
Use italics on quotes, man! It’s the “I” right there on top. Copy, paste, highlight, italics. It’s not rocket science. Then skip a line. No measly little “-“.
You don’t have half the impact Thomas does in a second language that you do in your first.
Grammar cop, fuming.
Well, in his defence, the comment form (particularly the copy/paste function) has been acting up lately.
It’s still way better than Disqus though.
And in my lifetime Thomas R., I have honestly and with integrity stood by those things which I support. The fact that you don’t agree with some of the things I support in no way impugns my honesty or integrity in regards to them.
Life is not a ‘miracle’, I would have thought you would have seen enough of that sciencey stuff here by now.
I too am grateful to women for the survival of our species. I just believe it should be at a time and in a manner of their choosing, not at the behest or under the regulation of others.
I realize that abortion is not the answer in the face of advancement in medicine and women’s health and other choices available to women. – you appear to have a real struggle with this. What is it that causes you to be unable to see why your statement is wrong?
I could go on and on… – I’ve noticed ;-)
The rest of your response was just BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH. I cannot read gibberish. – what, are you unable to discern what you’ve said from what I’ve said?
Ah JDC, your usual incisive and illuminating contribution.
Grammar cop, fuming. – “x” – these are called quotation marks Hans. You do know what they’re for don’t you? I would have thought that people would have the ability to distinguish what they’ve said from my responses to them. But if it makes things easier for those who need things delivered simply then I’ll try to remember to follow your suggestion.
Reality,
I was really being more of a “legibility cop.” If you prefer quotation marks over italics, fine. But then we would be less likely to skim over the quote and get directly to your bon mots.
So at least try to space before your comment. Who has the patience to mine through something resembling a one-page paragraph for your gems of wisdom? ;)
Ah, clarification, thank you.
You may note that you have succeeded in converting me ;-)
Pretty good comment by Jamie Brown here:
by http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2013/september/abortion-clinics-closing-planned-parenthood-abby-johnson.html
“Jamie Brown
September 15, 2013
I am a failed man. I make no judgements on any of the people commenting or not. I do not believe in abortion. I believe in the sanctity of the act (Which I have strayed countless times) and honestly only believe in abortion in a rape or incest case. That is what I was taught and that is what I believe (and I found it on my own). I believe in God and I am a saved man. I am also smart as hell and what we are doing and fighting for makes no sense if we want generations after us to live. We are absolutely kidding ourselves if we don’t see what is happening in this world with overcrowding. If Abortions were never legalized with Roe vs. Wade. We, Americans, would have a food shortage right now and America pretty much feeds 70% of the world. I believe in the Bible, Jesus, and the Scriptures. Jesus might have been the greatest Tactician of all time. We have to think outside the box now. Federal or State, abortions are never going away. We need to save the part that can be saved.”
Well, my work is partially done, Reality. :) Perhaps I can get you to consider supporting women’s rights would include supporting their right to become women.
I’m biting my… er, fingers not to weigh in on the other thread as to two of the Commandments.
I do support womens rights Hans. Impeding womens freedoms and reproductive rights doesn’t.
You want to weigh in on TWO commandments!!!
I’m seeing enough confusion amongst some already, you might induce complete bewilderment.
Thanks for the compliment Hans.
“Life is not a ‘miracle’, I would have thought you would have seen enough of that science stuff here by now.”
A general comment regarding “reality’s” lack of logic in this statement:
Science has yet to replicate the sperm and the egg in the lab, the processes involved in fertilizing the egg and the subsequent processes involved in creating this life in the womb (as in an “artificial” womb). Is it me or does “reality” fail to draw logical inference that this is the reason miracle of life IT IS?
When the pro-aborts replicate the sperm and the egg in the lab, “reality” can make his claim again but until then I would recommend retracting this statement in light of no scientific “breakthroughs” in this regard.
“reality” no more he is…
I do support womens rights Hans. Impeding womens freedoms and reproductive rights doesn’t.
Supporting any woman’s rights kinda rings hollow when you consider that any woman’s mother could have decided she’d rather not be a mother to that particular woman and had her aborted, and you would’ve been applauding that mother “celebrating her freedoms” and “exercising her reproductive rights” the entire way.
because science hasn’t yet replicated it it’s a miracle!!! ROFLMBO :-)
Were all the other things that scientists can now replicate miracles before they could do so?
You put the fetus first xalisae, I don’t.
ROFLMBO? - Does someone need to call an ambulance for tmeister or just leave him there rolling in ignorance?
Excellent summation Xalisae!!!
Ah, the word ignorance. Well raised Thomas R. The fact that something is not yet understood does not equal god. That’s what caused the problem in the first place.
I note you failed to answer the question.