Stanek weekend Q: Seriously? Use “adorable cats” to explain reasons for abortions?
Abortion supporter Eve Vawter thought it would be cute to use “adorable cats” to describe “10 reasons to have an abortion.” Her explanation:
I don’t think the majority of women make the decision to have an abortion lightly.
Due to the fact we have all seen one million sad stories on the Internet illustrated by miserable looking stock photo women sobbing into their hands, I have decided to use cats instead. I’m a cat fan, and I would rather look at cats than whatever comes up when you search photo websites for “abortion.”
So here is a sampling. For Reason #2, “Your birth control failed”:
For Reason #3, “You don’t want to have a child because of your career” (where, I note, the cat is male):
For Reason #6, “You feel strongly about overpopulation”:
For Reason #9, “You want no relationship with the person who got you pregnant”:
Here are all 10 reasons:
1. Having a baby would endanger your life.
2. Your birth control failed.
3. You don’t want to have a child because of your career.
4. You feel you are too young.
5. You feel you are too old.
6. You feel strongly about overpopulation.
7. You are worried about the health of the baby.
8. You want no relationship with the person who got you pregnant.
9. You don’t want to have another child.
10. For whatever reason.
Two questions: What are your thoughts on the reasons listed, and why do abortion proponents on one hand dramatize reasons to submit to abortion and on the other hand trivialize them?
[HT: LifeNews.com]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I think the cats are purely a distraction tactic to divert attention from her weak arguments. Her “reasons” are pretty much the same old recycled abortion advocate talking points.
Secular Pro-Life (n/a) had a good blog post about this article and the fallacies of the “reasons:”
http://blog.secularprolife.org/2013/11/10-reasons-to-have-abortion.html?m=1
Also a sad irony to note: this was published on a parenting website.
I wouldn’t even want to take one of my two cats for an abortion.* I’d let them have the kittens, find homes for all except maybe one which I would keep, and then have the cat spayed. I know some people feel differently about animals in this situation, but well, this is what I would want to do.
*abortion can be done on a cat at the time of spaying, though my cats are already spayed.
All ten reasons point to fear – fear of the unknown, fear of not being supported, fear that results in not trusting in the provision of God. It’s a sad list, but realistic in our society. When more and more people don’t know God, less and less Churches exist that support people in need, and a society that labels those who receive help as leeches – well, these sort of lists are going to exist.
For the record, I think the cat with the tie is pretty awesome.
The use of the cat photos is nothing more than her unwillingness to face the bitter truth of what abortion is, Another epic fail of a pro-abort killer. They’ll do anything to avoid the truth.
why do abortion proponents on one hand dramatize reasons to submit to abortion and on the other hand trivialize them?
Life is complicated for the abortionistas, because they are losing a war with reality.
What the abortionsistas want is a world where abortion is as trivial and as common as getting a tattoo.
The reality is that abortion is traumatizing to women and deadly serious to their children. A woman doesn’t “want” abortion; she doesn’t “choose abortion. She is driven to abortion by some greater fear.
This creates a paradox for the zealots who desire more abortion:
– How can they increase the fears that drive desperate women to abortion?
– At the same time, how can they decrease the fears that keep strong women away?
This article is a good effort for their propaganda.
– The list of common fears that cause abortion serve to heighten the apprehension of the reader. Then imagine abortion as the solution to all the possible problems.
– “10 Reasons” give the suggestion that “everybody’s doing it.”
– The cutesy cats avoid any recognition of the pain and consequences of abortion.
Well I like gerbils. Next time try gerbils. I think they might get your point across that you are proabortion so much better.
1. Having a baby would endanger your life.
So kill your baby.
2. Your birth control failed.
So kill your baby.
3. You don’t want to have a child because of your career.
So kill your baby.
4. You feel you are too young.
So kill your baby.
5. You feel you are too old.
So kill your baby.
6. You feel strongly about overpopulation.
So kill your baby.
7. You are worried about the health of the baby.
So kill your baby.
8. You want no relationship with the person who got you pregnant.
So kill your baby.
9. You don’t want to have another child.
So kill your baby.
10. For whatever reason.
Kill your baby.
To answer the last part of the question – why dramatize reasons to submit to abortion and on the other hand trivialize them?
I think in part, it is because of the struggle back and forth regarding what they are killing. If somebody thinks it is a baby, it’s much different than if they don’t think is a baby. For somebody who truly doesn’t see what they are killing as being human, the list above is actually quite reasonable, and making light of the reasons is fair game because it wouldn’t be that big of a deal.
Also, I think it is just human nature – I haven’t yet found a group of people who believe in a cause that don’t get overly dramatic about it at times, while also over simplifying others.
Why not use photos of adorable babies? Think about that. “My birth control failed” with a picture of a cute chubby baby touching her toes.
I always wonder why they want to point out that women don’t make the decision to abort lightly. Some of them do. And if abortion isn’t the killing of a living human being then WHO CARES if they make the choice lightly? Why should they be grave about it if abortion isn’t immoral? If according to #10 ANY reason is a good reason to abort “I want to look good in my bikini next summer” then why do they still stress how women AGONIZE over the decision whether or not to abort? It doesn’t add up. It’s contradictory.
Well I love cats of every type, the magnificent big cats to the lowly mongrel barn cats.
I especially love their babies. They are all so darling!
There’s nothing more entertaining than a littler of kittens beginning to explore their world and at play.
She needed the conection between an industry which is funded by the state to reduce the number of unintended feline pregnancies and distributes contraceptive advice, devices and pharmacological to address the identified problem of too many unintended cat pregnancies, but which profits more from the faliure of it’s purported solutions than it does from it’s relatively few succeses.
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She should have included a some photos of dismemberd feline fetuses.
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And a burlap bag containging a litter of drowned newborn kittens to illustrate the appropriateness of using pre-natal feticide and neo-natal euthenasia to reduce and regulate feline population growth.
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And she should have concluded with photos of disappointed employees of said industry placing unplanned kittens with grateful adoptive families.
It’s a shrewdly clever, evil and potentially effective marketing campaign. No one ever accused satan of being stupid or ineffective. After all, he will ultimately deceive the majority of mankind into following him into eternal damnation and torment.
The images of the cute kitties obfuscate the reality that mothers are killing their children and the lies provide justification. The reasons can be traumatic or trivial.
The reason doesn’t matter as long as it results in a dead baby.
#9 You want no relationship with the person who got you pregnant.
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Your ferocious feline anthromorphic animosity is misdirected, unless you are asserting that you are as powerless to resist your sexual urges as a mama cat.
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There has not been a incident in thousands of years of human history where a child was ever conceived without a ‘woman’ being materially involved in the process.
[Even Mary, the mother of Jesus, consented to participate in the immaculate conception.]
The one indispensable ‘person who got you pregnant’ was YOU.
Mary says: November 9, 2013 at 1:31 pm
“Well I love cats of every type, the magnificent big cats to the lowly mongrel barn cats.”
Mary,
I like you and I enjoy kittens and that is as much common ground as we share on the topic of feline domesticus, but I will offer one glaring exception.
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When we lived in the woods we were once given a mama cat who was an excellent mouser. She only made the occasional foray into our home for an inspection tour to make sure none of her prey had succeeded in evading her vigilance. She loved to display her kill by laying their ‘corpses’ [take note of the spelling, boRAT] in a neat row on the front stoop.
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What a magnificent beast.
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She was good with our children. She did not seek out their affections, but happily submitted to their unsolitcited hugs and pats. I even gave her an occasional stroke when no one was looking. I don’t if old age or the coyotes or an owl got her, but one day she was just gone.
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She completed her revoution on the circle of life.
Hi Ken,
Well thank you, I like you as well and I especially love kittens! However, I think the young of any type of cat is darling.
What a nice story about your cat. I have quite a few. We’ve had our share of cats. My kids all own them. The funniest was when we got our first cat. It was just my husband and me. My husband was sound asleep and the cat was balanced on all fours on his forehead, nose to nose with my husband and meowing away. Luckily she didn’t wake him up or she would have flown across the room.
All we need to counter this is one of the “Hang in there, baby”! images. It works for both the mother and child.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EI_UnJy0snU/THPlBBGYV3I/AAAAAAAACT8/XhegE-suPXg/s400/hang_in_there.jpg
I agree with you, Del. All the reasons given indicate fear, desperation, & a lack of support for the pregnant woman, hardly the empowerment most feminists envision. Instead of advocating abortion as a compassionate solution, don’t the women deserve better support and options/resources to make a choice, because it’s not truly a free choice if you’re being coerced or don’t feel like you have any other options.
On the other hand, I think there is a disconnect between the political activists and the average woman having an abortion, with the lines sometimes blurring. So if this is an activists for abortion on demand without apology, why then the need to justify abortion?
Sydney I have met women who were quite casual about having their abortions.Reason #11 should be BECAUSE I JUST DONT WANT TO BE BOTHERED!
How well would ripped upţand mutilated felines go over? Yep phyllimiss …me too…just like it was nothing!! There ARE women out there who dont care. A former friend of mine told me it was the best choice and she was proud of it. We do NOT talk anymore as she is now in her 40s and has never spoken about the abortion with regret.
Ive realized that I dont want a friend like her. Selfish self absorbed and HAD to get a degree. She hated the guy who got her pregnant. He wanted her to keep the baby. Her cold reply was that it WAS going to be done and she was getting back together with her ex. After the procedure she showed me her IV bruise n told me she was sedated but remembered hearing a bell type sound while drifting in and out. She had her cookies and juice in recovery and that was it. She told me “It wasnt bad” well it was for your baby.
I have a degree too but I didnt have an abortion to obtain it.
Btw my former friend aborted at approx. 26 years old. She just turned 44 in October. She had one more child ….got pregnant from her ex a few months after her abortion…got rid of “Joe” after killing their baby and breaking his heart. Finished nursing school. Had a hysterectomy after severe endometriosis. Shes now a grandmother of one and one on the way.
Just like some people believe there is hope for Gloria Steinum (sp?) I personally dont ..hope im wrong. But shes an abortion pimp to the umpteenth degree and cold blooded. Only God knows.
I will say this before off to bed….i was reading 2 websites about abortion. One was about women who really did not want to abort. Even on the table they cried and screamed sorry to their babies. Many are beating themselves up saying they wanted to undo it or get pregnant again after the fathers were glad they had done it. Some made me tear up as some women were saying id be due next month or id have a 6 month old. My heart went out to them
BUT the other group spoke of themselves. One girl said “I am selfish. yes I am.” So she found out she was pregnant and said “My boyfriend and I will be together forever but it wasnt a good time for a baby. ” She aborted and said ” We want our house cars vacations and to enjoy our lives together and get married before we have children. I take it they had the educations already. Anyway this group had to go because they were all about me me me…not their children. Had to get off that site. They just thought abortion was grand.
Heather I think there is a great deal of selfishness surrounding this issue. I think its all well and good to support women but in Sweden they have maternity benefits galore bit their abortion rate is higher than ours. A doctor cannot refuse to perform abortions any any reason is considered valid, even sex selection abortions. I wish prolifers would stop acting like women who have abortions are all innocent victims. To paraphrase Mother Teresa, they just want to live as they wish.
Heather I think there is a great deal of selfishness surrounding this issue. I think its all well and good to support women but in Sweden they have maternity benefits galore and their abortion rate is higher than ours. A doctor cannot refuse to perform abortions and any reason is considered valid, even sex selection abortions. I wish prolifers would stop acting like women who have abortions are all innocent victims. To paraphrase Mother Teresa, they just want to live as they wish.
kenthebirther, The Virgin Mary consented to participate in the Incarnation — that is the birth of Jesus. The Immaculate Conception was Mary being conceived without sin through normal sexual intercourse between her mother Anne and her father Joachim. God gave her this special grace at the time of her conception. Mary could not have consented to her own conception. When you translate Incarnation from Latin, you get the theological concept of the Word Became Flesh as described in the opening of the gospel of John.
Cookies and juice? How sweet. A lot of adults, including me, still like cookies and juice of course but it does sound like an ironic snack to give to women who just had their child murdered I think.
Philymiss…i had no idea about Sweden! Really? Yeah im sticking with what my original thought was before. Some women dont seem to mind. My former friend had 4 kids already before getting pregnant with the 5th. I asked her about pregnancy while she was sexually active. I TOLD her ..youre gonna get pregnant. 2 months later she was. She made the choice and told me after the pregnancy news ” Eh im just gonna have an abortion.” She promptly made the appointment….Joe begged her. Nope her mind was made up.
And we were friends for over 20 years…i just turned 44 myself in September ….our friendship didnt end over her abortion. She was still a good friend in many ways. We just grew apart. However over the years I never saw her cry or voice any sorrow over that abortion. She would just always say “Im glad I did it.”
Her mom and one of her sisters also had abortions. I gave it years. Never once did she say she felt a bit bad.
I saw a comedian once who said, “I had my cat spayed and she got mad at me. I had no idea she was pro-life! The next day, there were a bunch of cats picketing my house and chanting, “meow, meow, meow, save the kittens now!”* While I personally thought it was kind of clever, it wasn’t my favorite joke because I like cats almost more than humans! (not humans’ fault, but still)
*I can’t remember if he meant that an abortion was done on his cat at the time of spaying, but I know it can be.
MemyselfandI…yep i guess cookies and juice were the recovery snack. An antibiotic and a see ya later. She just thought of herself. Had one more kid post abortion and then her tubes tied.
Why stop there? Puppies, baby ducks, any animal you think fits the cute factor. Combine emotion with logic. Might work. Well worth it if it gets people to reconsider.
Sweden and the US have been flip flopping I believe – looks like the US was higher, then Sweden, and now it is pretty close. At least the rates I can find – sort of tough to find consistent stats…
I know a business education teacher who is in her late 40s who plasters her classroom with cat and kitty posters. She has no children and I’ve often wondered if she is postabortive.
I know a special needs woman in her 50s whose apartment is plastered with kitty posters and kitty knickknacks of all kinds but she is emotionally more like a child than not.
The kitty posters are something me and my sister taped to our bedroom walls in our preteen years. In our teens we moved on to taping up tigers like Shawn Cassidy and Eric Estrada. :)
Hi Prax….yeah i had another post abortive friend with 3 cats. Shes close to 60 now and did indeed express remorse over her 2 abortions. Aside from her cats and her boyfriend she told me her decision to abort made her feel very alone.
Hey come on folks,
I love cats and so do my kids! They all have them and I would too if my husband wasn’t allergic to them. His sister also has a minimum of two at any given time.
And the big cats….what magnificent animals!!
Prax..mine were Rob and chad Lowe. lol
Also many of those women thought about ditching the abortion appt. and leaving. They are now saying things like “I could have found a way.” The other group werent pressured…just exercising choice. They wanted the abortion. To me there is a difference. Like with my former friend….it was ALL her decision.
And they ALL still need healing no matter what the circumstances, the emotions, the excuses of abortion.
We ALL need Jesus.
Heather,
I have waited 30 years for someone close to me to “feel bad” about her abortion. She is proud of it, she is arrogant about it. BUT in other areas of her life the abortion has manifested in broken relationships, divorces, infertility, miscarriages, rage, alcoholism etc.
No matter what she says her child died and she is suffering for it.
All the reasons are valid. No fear involved, they just don’t want to be pregnant or have a child at that time.
All the reasons given indicate fear, desperation, & a lack of support for the pregnant woman – why? They just don’t want to be pregnant and deliver. It’s that simple.
don’t the women deserve better support and options/resources to make a choice – the only support/option they might consider would be for someone else to go through the pregnancy, childbirth and parenthood. Because they don’t want to.
because it’s not truly a free choice if you’re being coerced or don’t feel like you have any other options. – they know they have other options. They decide abortion is the best one for them at this time.
I know a business education teacher who is in her late 40s who plasters her classroom with cat and kitty posters. She has no children and I’ve often wondered if she is postabortive. – probably not. She has no children, for whatever reason, and likes cats.
I have waited 30 years for someone close to me to “feel bad” about her abortion. – wow. That says so much.
the abortion has manifested in broken relationships, divorces, infertility, miscarriages, rage, alcoholism etc. – has it? You’ve determined this how exactly?
DFTT
My three kitties and my family are pro-life–pro-baby and pro-kitten. :) Heck, when we got married (I already had one cat) we got two kittens out of the same litter. They are now old fart cats (all three). Our daughter loves them.
My best friend has never gotten help to deal with the pain of her abortion.
She is an alcoholic and we recently caught her stealing prescription medicine from our home (her doctor refused to prescribe her any more pain medicine due to her abuse of them). I wish she would get help.
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Hi Carla,
What does DFTT mean??
Wow Carla…30 years? Well maybe J will one day feel regret. Dont get me wrong ..i dont want her walking around feeling sad and depressed the rest of her life. Its just that whenever she spoke about her abortion it was always in a favorable way. ” So glad I had it done.” “Wouldnt have been able to live with “Joe” …”My mom and my sister both had on.” For once it would have been refreshing to hear her say it was wrong but the last time she brought it up ( over the summer ) it was the same thing. A friend of ours was getting married and had had multiple abortions. She told me Angela was pro life now and mocked her. I went “So? People change their minds.” She replied ” Well one or 2 I could see but not anything over that.”
Then J went on to say that she is pro choice and will remain that way. As far as being a drinker or drug user….never. Relationship problems? Shes married now but doesnt have any marital problems that stand out. She babysits her grandson and works as a nurse.
But I also must add not all women with drinking drug relationship problems or marital problems have had abortions. There are other issues. Sometimes its just called life. AND YES we all need Jesus!
Don’t Feed The Troll
Reality is a troll.
Heather,
That goes without saying. We are talking about the realities of post abortive women. The reality is there are other areas of their lives that fall apart while they say, “I’m fine.” There can be alcoholism, drug abuse, suicidal thoughts and attempts, relational struggles, nightmares, depression and so many other things that happen AFTER abortion.
And years and years later they do not connect the dots back to the experience of paying someone to kill their own child.
And when raised in a family of post abortive women? You live what you know. Your mother and sisters abort and you do too.
And you HAVE to keep telling yourself that you are fine. To justify it.
But if they are fine then why do they feel the need to keep saying they are fine??
I hear “it is the best decision I ever made.”
And both of our children died.
Hi Mary,
I LOVE kittens!! Oh my. Those sweet little kitten faces!!!
But the kitten stage seems to last a few weeks. And now I have a 14 year old fat cat. :)
And just so we are clear. Women and men that are post abortive know a tad more about being post abortive, their own experiences of paying someone to kill their own child and the subsequent harm they lived with than certain commenters whose only arguments are
No.
Not possible.
Absolutely not.
Many.
Much.
Some.
More often than not.
Hi Carla…I agree with you to a degree. We know PAS is real. I will tell you that the majority of women ive spoken to do indeed feel bad horrible s****y about their abortions. One woman felt so awful she wouldnt/couldnt even talk about it. BUT could we somehow meet in the middle and admit that not every woman is sorry. Not every woman feels bad. Idk sometimes. Youve explained that the first emotion is relief. Well J had been stuck there since 96. She has never cried and she is very matter of fact. Her abortion was something we didnt discuss often but if it ever came up in a topic she always spoke in favor of it. Maybe its wishful thinking that she will one day feel bad.
With the thousands of abortions done every day in this country there may be women who dont feel bad and never will. Just as some women bed married men. Ive heard a few say “Not my fault…its the husbands.”
“Don’t Feed The Troll”
Thanks for handling this when I wasn’t around. :)
I don’t know that I have ever said that ALL post abortive women feel bad. You can’t NOT be affected by paying someone to kill your own child though.
My friend crows about how it was the best thing she ever did. To me. A prolife speaker, a Rachel’s Vineyard facilitator, the lead mod here who won’t ever put a sock in it and one who KNOWS and LIVES the healing journey.
Let’s keep praying for them Heather. :)
Ugh, I’m not even sure what bothers me the most about this buzzfeedy-esque list with the kittens. The writer is at least consistent in her intellectual dishonesty though, starting out with the “safe, legal, and rare” tagline while applauding efforts to overturn Texas’s pain-capable unborn child act, which as I understand it would actually make abortion a whole lot safer for the woman, still keeps it legal, and might just make the butchery a little more rare. What really angers me though is the flippancy of the whole thing, as it does a great disservice to women who may be considering abortion and those who may still be trying to heal from its aftermath. There’s simply nothing easy, cute, or cuddly about it.
I have repeatedly acknowleged that some women are harmed or feel harmed by having had an abortion. Many folk have made a choice at some stage in their life that they come to regret. But most post-abortive women aren’t/don’t, yet some people seem unwilling to accept that fact.
I have waited 30 years for someone close to me to “feel bad” about her abortion. is an amazing statement. It just comes across as being so full of assumptions and wishful thinking. You think she did something wrong, she doesn’t. You think she should feel guilt, she doesn’t.
the abortion has manifested in broken relationships, divorces, infertility, miscarriages, rage, alcoholism etc. – you may have the abortion on the wrong side of the ledger. It may be one of the outcomes rather than the cause.
But if they are fine then why do they feel the need to keep saying they are fine?? – the vast majority don’t feel such a need. It’s only those who have to deal with your telling them they’ve done something worng and that it will harm them that need to say “well no actually, I’m fine.”
I don’t know that I have ever said that ALL post abortive women feel bad. – you haven’t. And most don’t. But there does seem to be an inference that either they should or they do but just don’t know it yet. But most don’t. And never will. Is it 40% who are repeats?
You can’t NOT be affected by paying someone to kill your own child though. – only if that’s the way you see it. To most it’s a matter of a doctor having terminated their pregnancy before things went too far. And that’s it. They don’t consider that they are ‘paying someone to kill’, nor are they ‘killing their own child.’ It’s like telling an atheist they’re headed for hell.
My friend crows about how it was the best thing she ever did. To me. A prolife speaker, a Rachel’s Vineyard facilitator,– and what sorts of things do you keep telling her? That she’s wrong? That she’s sinned? That she is damaged?
the lead mod here who won’t ever put a sock in it and one who KNOWS and LIVES the healing journey. – yep. Absolutely accepted, acknowledged and understood. But that’s your journey, most don’t need it.
I’m referred to as a ‘troll’ here so often that it’s almost become a secondary moniker. I don’t mind. But I don’t post false or ‘guesswork’ tales like the ‘victim of pro-choice violence’ who wasn’t. Nor do I sockpuppet.
Yes Ive prayed for post abortive friends. Im still not convinced my former pal feels bad at all. (Shrug) I just do not see it. And to run an abortion healing group by her…I know her…Oh HECK no!!!
Dearest Heather,
I know your heart just as you know mine. We love our friends and sisters that have aborted whether they come to the truth of what they have done or not.
We love them. We stand with them. We pray for them and never leave. Why? Because someday IF they ever need help we will point them in the direction of The Healer. Jesus heals. He rescues. He forgives.
I do not condemn them for doing what I myself have done. And I am here for those that ARE broken and hurting and don’t know where to turn. They love their babies and want to grieve that little life.
http://rachelsvineyard.org
PS
I love you too!! :)
Ty Carla…well put. And BTW i wasnt trying to be mean as I have stood in front of those clinics with women from SNM.
Btw Carla I love you too and I still actually do love my former friend because after 20 plus years she was like the sister I never had.