Jamie’s influence
People wondered whether Jamie Lynn Spears, pregnant at age 16, would be a bad influence on other teens, glamorizing teen pregnancy and creating copycats.
On February 29, The Insider interviewed 16-year-old and pregnant Katy MacDonald and her baby’s 14-year-old father Anthony. See page 2 for video.
Katy said Jamie’s announcement “definitely helped me like be more comfortable with my decision.”
What does that mean?
Jamie encouraged Katy not to abort by her example….
My thought has been that Jamie and Juno help destigmatize teen pregnancy – not glamorize it, which is great, half the battle.
Next our culture must embrace teaching kids abstinence, the other half.
Clearly teens are not mature enough to handle sex or contraceptives. But Planned Parenthood et al would say they support – actually encourage – sex between a 16- and 14-year-old, just responsibly.
The Insider should have asked whether Katy and Anthony were taught comprehensive sex ed. I bet they were. Anthony’s mother was likewise 15 when having her first baby. Where was she?
MSM never asks the right questions. Otherwise myths would be quelled and truths revealed about the cause of teen pregnancy.
Click on the graphic below to The Insider video:
[Spears photo courtesy of TVCrunch]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
She probably just followed her mothers example. I didn’t lose my virginity until I was 18, the same age my mother was when she lost hers. I’ll bet you $500 that when this kid grows up no matter who my abstinence education they have they will have sex around the same young age.
“My thought has been that Jamie and Juno help destigmatize teen pregnancy – not glamorize it, which is great, half the battle.”
How are they not glamorizing it? I have yet to hear anything about Jamie’s stretch marks, constipation, morning sickness and you know after she gives birth she will have the best trainers helping her get back into shape. She will also have a bunch of people at her beck and call helping her through every step. She’s not losing out on anything. She’ll be back partying in no time. I personally don’t know any teen girls who have those advantages though.
Isn’t it statutory rape for a 16 year old and a 14 year old? Just curious.
I was also thinking that Carla. It would be a shame if she was sent to prison while pregnant. I thought it was statutory rape between Jamie and her boyfriend also (I think he’s 20 something?).
That school in Texas in the article I linked had like 10 or so pregnant teens in an abstinence-only school.
Yes, it did really well.
The abortion clinics protect sexual predators all the time. While we’re on topic.
Isn’t it statutory rape for a 16 year old and a 14 year old? Just curious.
Posted by: Carla at March 4, 2008 3:19 PM
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Age of consent varies from state to state.
Clearly teens are not mature enough to handle sex or contraceptives. But Planned Parenthood et al would say they support – actually encourage – sex between a 16- and 14-year-old, just responsibly.
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Not mature enough to handle sex or contraception but mature enough to be parents?
Fantasizing that sex ed encourages sloppy contraceptive use is like saying that seat belts encourage reckless driving.
The abortion clinics protect sexual predators all the time. While we’re on topic.
Posted by: heather at March 4, 2008 3:45 PM
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While CPCs are hauling them to jail in droves?
I don’t know about that. Can you provide any proof, Sally?
Apparently Jamie is going to dump her kid on her Mom – a woman with a notable record on child-rearing.
Here are those lovely teen pregnancy stats again:
Babies of teen mothers have 21% higher probability of low birth weight, increasing possibilities for infant death, blindness, deafness, chronic respiratory problems, mental retardation, mental illness, and cerebral palsy. It doubles chances for dyslexia, hyperactivity, and other disabilities.1
Teen mothers start parenthood with few viable economic skills. Forty-one percent of mothers under 18 finish high school, compared to 61% of 20- to 21-year-old first mothers. A scant 1.5% of teen mothers earn a college degree by age 30.1
Making matters worse, in the past 25 years, the median income for college graduates increased 13%, while the median income for high school dropouts decreased 30%.1
Frighteningly, babies of high school dropouts have an eight times higher risk of being killed than those of college graduates.3
Teen mothers are mostly single parents. Eighty percent of fathers do not marry mothers and pay less than $800 annually in child support, important income for poor children.
Children living apart from fathers are five times more likely to be poor than children from two-parent homes. Children of uninvolved fathers are twice as likely to drop out of school, abuse alcohol or drugs or go to jail, and four times more likely to need help for emotional or behavioral problems.1
So, if teen mothers have no functional family of origin, no
I don’t know about that. Can you provide any proof, Sally?
Posted by: heather at March 4, 2008 3:59 PM
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Proof of what Heather? I haven’t heard of any CPC aiding in the conviction of a child molester have you? Certainly they must know of more than a few dealing with all those pregnant teens. Guess they must be protecting them. Perhaps we should demand to see their records.
They’re close enough in age that it’s unlikely a statutory rape charge would come. She might have been 15 at the time, too.
Proof of what Heather? I haven’t heard of any CPC aiding in the conviction of a child molester have you? Certainly they must know of more than a few dealing with all those pregnant teens. Guess they must be protecting them. Perhaps we should demand to see their records.
Posted by: Sally at March 4, 2008 4:06 PM
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Gee, we should photograph the girls as they enter the CPC and post their faces on a website. This will help them open a dialogue with their parents, teachers and clergy – not to mention help us catch and imprison their molesters.
Go for it.
PIP: “That school in Texas in the article I linked had like 10 or so pregnant teens in an abstinence-only school.
Yes, it did really well.”
PIP, well they didn’t follow what they were taught. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him swim.
PIP, what your solution? more condoms?
Go for it.
Posted by: heather at March 4, 2008 4:15 PM
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I’ll get right on it.
PIP, what your solution? more condoms?
Posted by: jasper at March 4, 2008 4:25 PM
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Explaining what they are for and how they are used?
You know what I think? I think young Hollywood needs to can it with the spray tanner. I think it’s possible that the chemicals are leaching into their brains and causing havoc.
Sally, good.
“Explaining what they are for and how they are used?”
Yup. Real comprehensive education.
After all, you guys are blaming these pregnancies on sex ed, when abstinence-only schools are now becoming a statistic. Might want to look at your own numbers.
H,
You feel Hollyweirdos didn’t have issues before spray tanners came on the market?
According to Guttmacher the actual failure rate of oral contraceptives is 9%. So if there are 110 sexually active girls on the pill in the school, you should expect to see 10 pregnancies per year.
If you see less than that rate it is due to abstinence.
I posted earlier that there is no way to get pregnancies down to zero using contraceptives because all contraceptives have failure rates.
These teens need love and support. Teens can be good parents but constant disparagement from everyone is not conducive to their success.
Fantasizing that sex ed encourages sloppy contraceptive use is like saying that seat belts encourage reckless driving.
Posted by: Sally at March 4, 2008 3:51 PM
It does when it comes to teenagers.
Teenagers have reckless sex and many times laugh at the concepts taught in sex ed, just like they laugh at the concepts taught in drivers’s ed.
They are both accidents waiting to happen.
hippie, right.
“I posted earlier that there is no way to get pregnancies down to zero using contraceptives because all contraceptives have failure rates.”
I don’t think anyone is arguing that contraceptives don’t have failure rates.
“Teens can be good parents but constant disparagement from everyone is not conducive to their success.”
Yeah, a lot like removing an article document their successes being removed because it “undermines the abstinence-only curriculum” in the school. Tell me that’s not political and really stupid.
H,
You feel Hollyweirdos didn’t have issues before spray tanners came on the market?
Posted by: Sandy at March 4, 2008 4:45 PM
Sure. Everyone has issues. It’s just been a long day, and I typed the first thing that came into my head when I saw the picture of Jamie Lynn Spears at the top of the post.
Yeah, I can’t wait to see her in 20 years with a tan like that.
Pip, lol!
I just watched that video.
They are a beautiful couple.
Did you notice that they said the hardest part was the judgemental attitudes of people around them? How can people be so mean?
A hundred years ago these people would be typical.
She was taking AP classes so she isn’t too stupid. They seem very nice. Too bad the people around them can’t bring themselves to treat them with love and respect. Teens are not inferior or bad people and they aren’t idiots. If they were five years older, people would be congratulating them, partly because they would be following society’s expectation.
Diversity is great until someone does something different.
Why can’t we respect other people’s choices and love them?
My friend was a teen mother. When we met, she was on welfare. She’s an RN now.
When a person is on welfare, don’t assume that it will stay that way. Besides, my friend took tax dollars when she was in need, and now she is giving back to society.
right on, heather!
pip
you wrote,
I don’t think anyone is arguing that contraceptives don’t have failure rates.
Posted by: prettyinpink at March 4, 2008 4:52 PM
I just want to make the point that those failure rates represent real people with real pregnancies.
Do we really think that in the average high school there are less that 110 sexually active females?
If they all are on oral contraceptives, you will see 10 pregnancies per year.
My point is that there are probably far more than 110. So only 10 pregnancies is less than what you would have with contraception, which indicates abstinence.
One thing I don’t like about comprehensive sex ed is that they don’t emphasize how high the failure rates for teens really are.
For example PP teenwire lists the effectiveness of oral contraceptives as 99%, yet Guttmacher says the actual rate is 9% failure rate which is only 91% effective. I think this is deceptive.
You and I understand the difference between perfect and typical use and will click on links to other sites and get more info, but teens in a class that see 99% feel pretty secure. They don’t think their actual chance of pregnancy is one in 11, they think it is one in 100. Big difference.
I am not against education or contraceptives, but there needs to be honesty on the part of those explaining contraception to teens.
We also need to have realistic attitudes about how many pregnancies we will see if teens use contraceptives instead of abstinence.
Most importantly we need to support those teens when the contraceptives fail because we are the ones assuring them they are effective and WE KNOW CONTRACEPTIVES FAIL.
Go for it.
Posted by: heather at March 4, 2008 4:15 PM
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I’ll get right on it.
Posted by: Sally at March 4, 2008 4:32 PM
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Ok I can give the names of some young girls I knew who have been molested. Should I? Will it helps seeing as their molesters are no longer in their lives and have been punished?
What’s the point of putting women’s pictures on the internet who are going into PP?
Jamie Lynn does not look like a sixteen yr-old…
Jess, PP protects the molesters. Their crimes go unpunished.
“For example PP teenwire lists the effectiveness of oral contraceptives as 99%, yet Guttmacher says the actual rate is 9% failure rate which is only 91% effective. I think this is deceptive.”
Wouldn’t you think that a real comprehensive sex ed class would cover the difference, and the importance of using two forms of birth control, and how to make it as effective as possible?
My school has abstinence only. Our “alternative education” growth rate has skyrocketed. When the numbers say that those with abstinence only are less likely to use birth control when they do have sex, why would you look the other way?
What’s the point of putting women’s pictures on the internet who are going into PP?
Posted by: Jess at March 4, 2008 5:49 PM
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It’s the favorite tactic of Lee Horsley, rabid antichioce activist and self-proclaimed mule-humper. (I wish I were kidding. Google “Lee Horsley abortion mule.” You can read the transcrips.)
Here’s his “abortion cam” site:
http://www.abortioncams.com/
My high school*
I should have said that earlier
Fantasizing that sex ed encourages sloppy contraceptive use is like saying that seat belts encourage reckless driving.
Posted by: Sally at March 4, 2008 3:51 PM
It does when it comes to teenagers.
Teenagers have reckless sex and many times laugh at the concepts taught in sex ed, just like they laugh at the concepts taught in drivers’s ed.
They are both accidents waiting to happen.
Posted by: Sandy at March 4, 2008 4:49 PM
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I never laughed at or disregarded education as a teen. Why do you expect teens to do so?
I just watched that video.
They are a beautiful couple.
Did you notice that they said the hardest part was the judgemental attitudes of people around them? How can people be so mean?
A hundred years ago these people would be typical.
She was taking AP classes so she isn’t too stupid. They seem very nice. Too bad the people around them can’t bring themselves to treat them with love and respect. Teens are not inferior or bad people and they aren’t idiots. If they were five years older, people would be congratulating them, partly because they would be following society’s expectation.
Diversity is great until someone does something different.
Why can’t we respect other people’s choices and love them?
Posted by: hippie at March 4, 2008 5:13 PM
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You are embracing respect for other people’s choices?
Jamie Lynn does not look like a sixteen yr-old…
Posted by: jasper at March 4, 2008 5:52 PM
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Got a boner for the child do ya?
I think the key to getting the teen pregnancy rate down is getting their parents INVOLVED in their lives. I mean, if parents REALLY expect the schools to teach their kids everything they need to know about sex and how NOT to get pregnant they are seriously delusional. Most teens today couldn’t point out the United States on a globe if they were asked to. As well as not being able to name the first 3 presidents of our country. They HAVEN’T been able to teach the kids how to read and write and yet PARENTS expect the schools to teach them how to get it on safely? COME ON!
Parents need to stop letting schools parent for them.
You know what I think? I think young Hollywood needs to can it with the spray tanner. I think it’s possible that the chemicals are leaching into their brains and causing havoc.
Hieronymous, could well be, but Holy Crow – a blonde with a tan can look oh so good….
Doug
Wouldn’t you think that a real comprehensive sex ed class would cover the difference, and the importance of using two forms of birth control, and how to make it as effective as possible?
Posted by: prettyinpink at March 4, 2008 5:59 PM
Yes, of course I would think a real sex ed class would explain that the actual failure rate is 9% not 1%, but that doesn’t mean such classes really do that.
I also expect PP teenwire to explain that the actual failure rate is 9% but it doesn’t.
Hypothetically the pill is 99% effective, but in a large sample of real people using the product, it is only 91%. If you want to be accurate and you want people to trust the information you have to tell the whole story, not just the best case scenario.
More importantly, we shouldn’t treat pregnant women of any age as public enemies. They need us and we should love and support them.
Got a boner for the child do ya?
Posted by: Sally at March 4, 2008 8:59 PM—————– Only someone with their mind in the gutter would think such thoughts. Honestly Sally.@@
Jamie sort of reminds me of Carrie Underwood.
My thought has been that Jamie and Juno help destigmatize teen pregnancy – not glamorize it, which is great, half the battle.
Next our culture must embrace teaching kids abstinence, the other half.
Only 19% of all abortions are performed on teenagers. The other 81% are performed on grown women for whom abstinence is out of the question. Better access to contraception and education about contraception is the only way to really reduce abortion rates.
Jamie sort of reminds me of Carrie Underwood.
Except…Carrie Underwood is actually talented.
:)
“My thought has been that Jamie and Juno help destigmatize teen pregnancy – not glamorize it, which is great, half the battle.”
Why in the HELL would we want to “destigmatize” teen pregnancy? Don’t we want to re-stigmatize it?
I know I do!
“My thought has been that Jamie and Juno help destigmatize teen pregnancy – not glamorize it, which is great, half the battle.”
Why in the HELL would we want to “destigmatize” teen pregnancy? Don’t we want to re-stigmatize it?
I know I do!
Posted by: zeke13:19 at March 6, 2008 12:22 PM
Let’s stigmatize men who seduce teens.
The other 81% are performed on grown women for whom abstinence is out of the question. Better access to contraception and education about contraception is the only way to really reduce abortion rates.
Posted by: reality at March 5, 2008 9:58 AM
Why is abstinence out of the question?
What do you think is the lowest rate of unplanned pregnancy that can possibly be achieved through proper use of contraception?
We know it isn’t zero. So what do you think is achieveable under the best circumstances?
Anonymous said:
“Let’s stigmatize men who seduce teens.”
Hmmmm….I think you have a good point there. There does seem to be less of a stigma as far as men seducing teens goes.
Why is that? Is it because of the idea that consensual sex is fine even if it involves a 16 year-old girl and a 21 year-old guy? That seems to have something to do with it. At least as far as media and the like goes.
As far as on the local level where something like this would occur in a smaller town, I can assure you that any older guy who has gotten a teen pregnant is looked upon with great disdain.
The big difference with Jamie Lynn’s case is that she is the one with the upper hand. She has much more money than he does. She can afford lawyers and legal services that he probably can’t. She has celebrity on her side. Her people are probably pretty protective of her. So, I am not under the impression that she was seduced at all since she could say get out and he would be gone and unable to reach her if she wanted it that way.
Got a boner for the child do ya?
Posted by: Sally at March 4, 2008 8:59 PM—————– Only someone with their mind in the gutter would think such thoughts. Honestly Sally.@@
Posted by: heather at March 5, 2008 7:44 AM
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Oh come on Heather! A supposedly mature man with such an immature attitude making a suggestive remark would be a red flag to any parent of a daughter. It’s a red flag to anyone that has been a teenage girl and had dirty old men asking if they can give them a ride home. Walking home alone from school was creepy when I was a teen. I didn’t know they were looking for sex. But I did know that a couple of little girls had been found sliced and diced and left in a field because they got into a car with some man.
Jasper’s remark was inappropriate.
I didn’t see it as inappropriate.
Well I’m confused. I don’t know what’s the problem here. What’s wrong. At first I thought it looked really smart, but I’m not sure any more
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