Breaking news: Habitat for Humanity reverses support of Planned Parenthood
From an American Life League press release this morning:
Jim Sedlak, vice president for ALL, issued the following statement about Habitat for Humanity of Sarasota, FL ending its cooperation with Planned Parenthood:
“We received news this morning that the Board of Directors of Habitat For Humanity of Sarasota, Inc. voted last evening to disengage itself from Planned Parenthood and not go through with a planned land deal. We are extremely pleased that the Habitat board saw fit to take this action.”
Backdrop, from Family Research Council…
The unusual partnership evolved in Sarasota when the nation’s largest abortion merchant applied to build a new clinic.
Because of the city’s zoning policy, which requires that a multi-family housing unit exist on the back of the lot, Planned Parenthood’s request was denied.
To solve the problem, Planned Parenthood sold the property to Habitat for $10 in exchange for the ministry’s agreement to build the housing unit.
After striking the deal, Planned Parenthood resubmitted the request to construct a new clinic with these adjustments to the city commission. It was approved by a 3-2 vote. When pro-lifers started to get wind of the alliance, emails and phone calls of protest started flooding Habitat’s offices. The decision on whether or not to go through with the plan [sat] with the board of directors for approval.
The clinic PP has in mind is another mega-mill, this one planned to be 23,000 sq. ft. PP is calling this its new “regional headquarters.”
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
great, they killed low income housing AND a new medical facility. Nice work American Life League. Wonder how you can sleep at night.
That’s wonderful news, great job American Life League. Medical facility, ha, good one Hal.
Thank you Jesus!
“they killed low income housing AND a new medical facility.”
Hal, look at the bright side, at least they won’t be killing babies, and the elderly of FLA will have people to take care of them in the years to come.
Maybe there’s some nice swampland PP can build on….
Good idea, Janet. Chicago was a swamp and we built over that! But I do feel bad for the people who won’t have access to low-income housing, particularly with the mortgage crisis and all.
Thank you Jim Sedlak of the American life League for rallying pro-lifers around this cause, and thank God that Habitat for Humanity had the courage to see Planned Parenthood’s mission for what it is and take the appropriate action.
Hal, look at the bright side, at least they won’t be killing babies, and the elderly of FLA will have people to take care of them in the years to come.
Maybe there’s some nice swampland PP can build on….
Posted by: Janet at June 4, 2008 1:18 PM
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Right Janet. Like there aren’t millions of elderly who’s children are incapable of caring for them. Like being born into poverty doesn’t perpetuate poverty. Like blocking the building of homes for the needy and accessible medical assistance comes any where near addressing the needs of the elderly. @@ What an imagination you have!
Edyt,
You’re right, but Chicago isn’t built on sand and aquifers and doesn’t have alligators and killer mosquitos year ’round or monster hurricanes like the Everglades. I’ll take Chicago any day.
Good idea, Janet. Chicago was a swamp and we built over that! But I do feel bad for the people who won’t have access to low-income housing, particularly with the mortgage crisis and all.
Posted by: Edyt at June 4, 2008 1:30 PM
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My great great grandpa Palmer almost bought some land near Chicago. It was too swampy for farming. It’s now called The Loop. Much better suited for building than farming. Janet may have accidently stumbled onto a good idea.
Sally, 1:34: Right Janet. Like there aren’t millions of elderly who’s children are incapable of caring for them. Like being born into poverty doesn’t perpetuate poverty. Like blocking the building of homes for the needy and accessible medical assistance comes any where near addressing the needs of the elderly. @@ What an imagination you have!
Maybe I wasn’t clear, my point about the elderly was not that PP would be addressing the medical needs of the elderly (far from it), it was that the birthrate needs to remain high enough so these young people are around to provide that care in the future. Abortion is counter to that.
My great great grandpa Palmer almost bought some land near Chicago. It was too swampy for farming. It’s now called The Loop. Much better suited for building than farming. Janet may have accidently stumbled onto a good idea.
Posted by: Anonymous at June 4, 2008 1:39 PM
You think PP would want to be out there with all the flooding and mosquitos and alligators? Sure, It’s a great idea (sarcasm alert). I doubt your Grandfather would have fell for that either!
the birthrate needs to remain high enough so these young people are around to provide that care in the future.”
People should plan for their own future.
You’re right, but Chicago isn’t built on sand and aquifers and doesn’t have alligators and killer mosquitos year ’round or monster hurricanes like the Everglades. I’ll take Chicago any day.
Janet, did you know Chicago was named after an onion plant that used to smell really bad? I’m sure there used to be horrible mosquito infestations here, and it was probably a miserable place to live until we built over and destroyed a lot of the natural environment. I used to live in an area that turned swampy in the spring, and there used to be helicopters that would go overhead and drop pesticides just so that we wouldn’t get eaten alive. Horrible. But it is possible to turn a place around!
Janet,
As you have expressed an, uh, affection towards my Sunshine state, I’ll just explain how us Floridians survive in this peninsula:
Built on sand and aquifers: We can pour concrete.
Alligators: They’re more afraid of us than we are of them.
Mosquitoes: We have screens and bug spray. They’re more active when it’s hot. They tend to lay low when it’s 69 degrees or lower.
Monster hurricanes: We’re given a number of days to prepare, unlike tornado warnings. And the monsters aren’t batting us down every single year.
The Everglades: it’s a swamp, not a hurricane.
Other than that, I like you!
;0)
If I had my druthers, I’d move to North Carolina. Anyways, back to PP in Sarasota..
Carder,
I actually LOVE Florida. I was only talking about the Everglades and I was being facetious. Sorry to all you Floridians if I went too far! I spent a lot of time on the west coast of FL on summer vacations as a kid. I haven’t been back in about four years now, and I’m dying to go again. I know that the Everglades is not a hurricane, I’m not sure where I said that… Anyways, if you like historical novels, there is one by Patrick D. Smith called “A Land Remembered”. It takes place in FL from 1863 to around 1940 or so. It was a tough place to survive back then. Great book!
Sally, 1:34: Right Janet. Like there aren’t millions of elderly who’s children are incapable of caring for them. Like being born into poverty doesn’t perpetuate poverty. Like blocking the building of homes for the needy and accessible medical assistance comes any where near addressing the needs of the elderly. @@ What an imagination you have!
Maybe I wasn’t clear, my point about the elderly was not that PP would be addressing the medical needs of the elderly (far from it), it was that the birthrate needs to remain high enough so these young people are around to provide that care in the future. Abortion is counter to that.
Posted by: Janet at June 4, 2008 1:51 PM
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Your assertion that more births equal more adults willing and able to support the elderly is insupportable.
Apparently you are unaware that poor women with children receive more money in their tax returns than they actually pay in a year. Money that could be spent to support and care for the elderly.
Carder,
Did you go to college, in FLA?, I did, but you tell me where you went first, and then maybe I’ll tell you (you know how the strong rivalries go). Lol.
Sally, 2:52: Your assertion that more births equal more adults willing and able to support the elderly is insupportable.
I think we’re talking apples and oranges. I’m talking about more babies (hence less abortions) who grow up and take care of the elderly. Make sense?
You think PP would want to be out there with all the flooding and mosquitos and alligators? Sure, It’s a great idea (sarcasm alert). I doubt your Grandfather would have fell for that either!
Posted by: Janet at June 4, 2008 1:55 PM
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You aren’t well acquainted with Illinois are you? Or the living conditions of or farming practices of the peoples of the early 1800s for that matter. If necessary, swamps could be drained. Having already done so in Maryland, grandpa had made enough money to buy land less cumbersome to farm. If he had been interested in land development and speculation, The Loop would have been a fine investment.
People should plan for their own future.
Posted by: Hal at June 4, 2008 2:06 PM
Somebody always has to take over jobs as the older generation retires….
Are you going to milk your own cows when you are 90?
This thread is supposed to be about PP Sarasota…what happened?
I am so thankful that Habitat for Humanity heeded the calls and emails they received and changed their minds to work with PP.
Hi Janet! :)
Sally, Sally, Sally, 3:09: You aren’t well acquainted with Illinois are you? Or the living conditions of or farming practices of the peoples of the early 1800s for that matter. If necessary, swamps could be drained. Having already done so in Maryland, grandpa had made enough money to buy land less cumbersome to farm. If he had been interested in land development and speculation, The Loop would have been a fine investment.
Did you see my post to carder at 2:48? I was being facetious about PP buying swampland in FL.
Edyt brought up the swamps in Chicago, not me! I’ve lived in IL all of my life. And I agree, the Loop would have been a great investment if someone had enough money to clean it up. (I wish I had bought some land there for speculation. Anything else I need to address? . Lol.
Hi Carla!
Help me, I’m drowning in muck here! Lol! Just one more post to Sally, and then I have to go!
I didn’t know that in addition to affordable medical care, property rights, and freedom of and from religion, you antis also opposed affordable housing. While deigning to call yourselves “pro”-life, you don’t seem to be pro-anything, but rather anti-everything.
Sure Janet.
Hi Sally,
I know nothing about The Everglades, The Loop or swampland draining. Ideas? :)
Ray, Yes we Pro-lifers are anti-everything, even little puppies.
Noooo! Not puppies! :(
Sally, 2:52: Your assertion that more births equal more adults willing and able to support the elderly is insupportable.
I think we’re talking apples and oranges. I’m talking about more babies (hence less abortions) who grow up and take care of the elderly. Make sense?
Posted by: Janet at June 4, 2008 3:03 PM
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They would be your apples and oranges Janet. You cannot evidence any correlation between more babies being born and elderly care. Giving birth does not entitle you to being cared for by your children in your old age. More children being born doesn’t even guarantee more contributions to social security. On the contrary, more poor children is a bigger drain on funds.
No, you don’t make sense.
“While deigning to call yourselves “pro”-life, you don’t seem to be pro-anything, but rather anti-everything.”
Actually, I was just thinking how pro-Habitat the pro-lifers must be. Obviously, this decision shows that Habitat would prefer not to offend PL-ers, and why would they care unless PL-ers were making significant contributions as both volunteers and donors? If they were just sitting on the sidelines ridiculing people in righteous sloth-hood, why would Habitat care what they thought?
Meanwhile, PP is willing to use Habitat to settle a zoning dispute (though why they just didn’t follow their own SOP and claim to be a multi-unit dwelling on the zoning forms in order to avoid this very controversy is beyond me), but obviously PP’s fan base is not the major support behind Habitat or Habitat would not risk offending them.
Hi Sally,
I know nothing about The Everglades, The Loop or swampland draining. Ideas? :)
Posted by: Carla at June 4, 2008 3:33 PM
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Hi Carla!
Poor Janet jumped into quick sand. I read that quicksand is rarely deep enough to actually ‘drown’ in but rather difficult to extract oneself from. I dare say that Janet will survive!
I gotta run. I’m meeting daughter and friends for dinner and a viewing of Sex In The City. I’m supposed to dress ‘Carrie style’. Like what? Stilettos and ankle socks? I don’t think so! I’m thinking Samantha style.
On the contrary, more poor children is a bigger drain on funds.
No, you don’t make sense.
Posted by: Sally at June 4, 2008 4:10 PM
Who says they are going to be poor?
Great for HFH for having the GUTS to dump PP. They are a very good organization – they help many families.
We need to make PP the pariah it really should be.
Sally,
I should have added Sex and the City as something I know nothing about!! Sarah Jessica Parker makes me ill. If she is Samantha…um..sorry. Have fun out on the town!! :)
On the contrary, more poor children is a bigger drain on funds.
No, you don’t make sense.
Posted by: Sally at June 4, 2008 4:10 PM
Wait, wait, wait! Aren’t the pro-life people on this blog always saying that PP focuses their “services” on the poorer areas – many, if not most, black neighborhoods. And isn’t it the pro-“choice” people always saying “No, that’s not true,” so emphatically?
Does anyone else feel like Sally’s last few posts have only confirmed what we’ve been saying? I mean the above quote sounds to me like she’s saying its fine to abort children of poor people. Wouldn’t PP be proud!
Sally, Giving birth does not entitle you to being cared for by your children in your old age.
Why didn’t you just say that to begin with instead of talking about taxes and all that other stuff?
Wait, wait, wait! Aren’t the pro-life people on this blog always saying that PP focuses their “services” on the poorer areas – many, if not most, black neighborhoods. And isn’t it the pro-“choice” people always saying “No, that’s not true,” so emphatically?
Many poor neighborhoods are black neighborhoods. That has nothing to do with PP and everything to do with the way our country has “advanced.”
Does anyone else feel like Sally’s last few posts have only confirmed what we’ve been saying? I mean the above quote sounds to me like she’s saying its fine to abort children of poor people. Wouldn’t PP be proud!
We all know that the rich will always be able to abort their children. It’s the poor who will be affected by abortion laws. The rich will simply fly to a country where abortion is allowed.
Kristen: 4:59: Does anyone else feel like Sally’s last few posts have only confirmed what we’ve been saying? I mean the above quote sounds to me like she’s saying its fine to abort children of poor people. Wouldn’t PP be proud!
Yes, and you aren’t entitled to being cared for by them in your old age, you know! I’m as mystified as you are, Kristen.
“While deigning to call yourselves “pro”-life, you don’t seem to be pro-anything, but rather anti-everything.”
EH: 4:23: Actually, I was just thinking how pro-Habitat the pro-lifers must be. Obviously, this decision shows that Habitat would prefer not to offend PL-ers, and why would they care unless PL-ers were making significant contributions as both volunteers and donors? If they were just sitting on the sidelines ridiculing people in righteous sloth-hood, why would Habitat care what they thought?
Meanwhile, PP is willing to use Habitat to settle a zoning dispute (though why they just didn’t follow their own SOP and claim to be a multi-unit dwelling on the zoning forms in order to avoid this very controversy is beyond me), but obviously PP’s fan base is not the major support behind Habitat or Habitat would not risk offending them.
Excellent point, EH!
Wait, wait, wait! Aren’t the pro-life people on this blog always saying that PP focuses their “services” on the poorer areas – many, if not most, black neighborhoods. And isn’t it the pro-“choice” people always saying “No, that’s not true,” so emphatically?
Does anyone else feel like Sally’s last few posts have only confirmed what we’ve been saying? I mean the above quote sounds to me like she’s saying its fine to abort children of poor people. Wouldn’t PP be proud!
Posted by: Kristen at June 4, 2008 4:59 PM
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Waiting for toenails to dry…………….
What are you trying to say Kristen? That poor women should not have access to BC, pap smears and abortions? That only wealthy women should have access?
Why do you not find free clinics in wealthy residential areas Kristen? Because they aren’t needed? Duh!
Pretending that the placing of clinics in areas of need as some deep nefarious plot is paranoia at it’s best.
I suppose soup kitchens place themselves in easy access to the hungry as some conspiracy to remove the incentive of employment seeking and thus enable the underclass to remain the underclass. Aren’t the conspiracy theorists proud of you!
EDYT: 5:11: We all know that the rich will always be able to abort their children. It’s the poor who will be affected by abortion laws. The rich will simply fly to a country where abortion is allowed.
Nice spin. Abortion is about helping poor people.
No, Janet, PP is about helping poor people.
Sally, Giving birth does not entitle you to being cared for by your children in your old age.
Why didn’t you just say that to begin with instead of talking about taxes and all that other stuff?
Posted by: Janet at June 4, 2008 5:06 PM
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Sorry for going over your head with basic economics and all that complicated stuff Janet.
“Why do you not find free clinics in wealthy residential areas Kristen? Because they aren’t needed? Duh!
Pretending that the placing of clinics in areas of need as some deep nefarious plot is paranoia at it’s best. ”
Actually, the Aurora PP is in a middle class neighborhood that coincidentally has a growing African American population. The really poor section of Aurora is predominately Latino and borders downtown. It also borders the non-profit free medical clinics Aunt Martha’s and the VNA.
Posted by: Sally at June 4, 2008 5:15 PM
Relax; I was just saying that the pro-aborts always say that PP doesn’t target poorer neighborhoods. I also pointed out that your statement seems to say that it’s perfectly okay to abort children who would be born into poor families just because they would be a “drain” on society. Your statement did imply that, like it or not.
I live in Naperville, IL, arguably one of the most affluent cities in Illinois and the DuPage County health department is a few miles from me. There ARE free clinics in wealthy areas, just as there are soup kitchens here as well.
The difference is that the county health department doesn’t do abortions. You can get a Pap smear and BC there. So I don’t know what your point was with all the dribble about free clinics not being in wealthy areas…
Actually, the Aurora PP is in a middle class neighborhood that coincidentally has a growing African American population. The really poor section of Aurora is predominately Latino and borders downtown. It also borders the non-profit free medical clinics Aunt Martha’s and the VNA.
Posted by: EH at June 4, 2008 5:23 PM
Good point EH. I grew up on the East side of Aurora and my mom still lives there. Yes, the Latino area is much poorer but I don’t think most in the Latino community choose abortion, I believe most give birth to their babies. That wouldn’t have been a good area for PP.
Much better for them to be in an area with a growing African-American population. (Sarcasm)
Actually, the Aurora PP is in a middle class neighborhood that coincidentally has a growing African American population. The really poor section of Aurora is predominately Latino and borders downtown. It also borders the non-profit free medical clinics Aunt Martha’s and the VNA.
Posted by: EH at June 4, 2008 5:23 PM
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You really aren’t trying to assert that making income sufficient to be labeled middle class is a true indication of affordable health care availability are you? Surely you know better.
Perhaps you should be forced to go downtown for your pap screenings.
Sally,
I should have added Sex and the City as something I know nothing about!! Sarah Jessica Parker makes me ill. If she is Samantha…um..sorry. Have fun out on the town!! :)
Posted by: Carla at June 4, 2008 4:54 PM
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Kim Cattrall is Samantha. One year older than me and more my style. I think that Sarah Jessica is so homely that she is cute. All ready—gotta run!
Did anyone else see this excellent essay in the NY Times about the pre-Roe days? I don’t see how anyone can read it and still oppose legal abortion. I am not talking about opposing abortion in principle, which is something else, but rather opposing legal abortion, even if you think abortion itself is abhorrent. Read the article and you will see why.
Repairing the Damage, Before Roe
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/health/views/03essa.html
Ray,
The article was discussed a bit beginning in the first few posts on this to be displayed blog entry.
EH @ 4:23 PM – Excellent observation.
Ray, I got all choked up at this part:
However, not simply coat hangers were used.
Almost any implement you can imagine had been and was used to start an abortion
Edyt 5:11PM
The rich will fly to other countries? The poor will be affected?
What do you think the rich do now? Do you think the CEOs wife or daughter or the celebrity sits in the same abortion clinic waiting room as the welfare mother? The rich will continue to have their abortions done discreetly, as they always have, flying somewhere else to protect their privacy. Low income women can go to clinics like the one in New Jersey where rusted instruments, including crochet hooks were found or to the clinic in Detroit where the drug addicted abortionist allowed his dog to walk around the operating room.
One clinic in Alabama offers two tiers of care, one for the woman who can afford better, and another one for those who can’t. For an extra few hundred dollars a woman does not have to sit in the waiting room and can have her privacy strictly protected. If she can’t fork over the extra cash then she sits in the waiting room with the rest of the peasantry and too bad about her privacy.
Now what about the low income woman who wants her privacy protected? Well if she can’t fork over the cash she’s SOL.
So much for concern and equality for the poor.
Edyt 9:17PM
Do you also get choked up when reading of rusted crochet hooks being used on patients in the New Jersey abortion clinic?
Mary, right. I have been reading about this in one of my many books.
“The patient also did not explain why she had attempted the abortion, and we did not ask. This was a decision she made for herself, and the reasons were hers alone. Yet this much was clear: The woman had put herself at total risk, and literally did not know whether she would live or die.”
So these women almost killed themselves, and nobody asked WHY? I’m sure it’s a given that they don’t want to be pregnant obviously, BUT not even asking or showing a little concern about why they felt the need to take such drastic measures to end the pregnancy was not asked? I mean, maybe they could have helped her through whatever circumstances she was going through that led her to that point? Or at least directed her to someone who could?
The other part that was very shocking was the patient who was a nurse and she had her intestine hanging out of her. She’s in the medical field and I’m sure had seen stuff similar to what she had done to herself, and yet she still attempted?
Sometimes, I just don’t know…
Heather,
Can you give me the list of books you are reading now? I have caught some of the titles but do you have any must reads for this prolifer?
And thanks to that NJ abortion clinic, Rasheedah Dinkins is now sterile. She was also almost killed herself.
Ray 8:07PM
Does the article mention that the death rate the year prior to Roe(1972) was at an all time low and had been steadily decreasing for years prior?
Also, does the article mention that leaders of the movement to legalize abortion were well aware of this and deliberately distored statistics on the death rate to win public support for their cause?
Elizabeth,
That part struck me as well. These were desperate women!! Desperate enough to inflict injury to themselves. They were in need of mental help before, during and after they attempted to kill their babies and almost themselves.
Hi Carla!!! Congratulations on becoming a moderator. Glad you’re here! @ present, I am reading Lime5, Aborting America, The Hand Of God, and Abortion. The American Holocaust.:)
Let’s take that billion dollars away from PP and build care centers for pregnant woman so they won’t want to have abortions.
At $5,000,000 dollars each to rent and operate a shelter annually we could put 200 shelters a year around the country.
In ten years that would be 2,000 shelter. Serving just 10 women per week at each shelter we can eliminate the need for 1,000,000 abortions per year.
If the shelters partnered with faith based organizations they could be staffed primarily by volunteers.
To somehow think that putting a deathatoreum in a poor neighborhood somehow benefits that neighborhood is beyond understanding. What it really does it sink that neighborhood deeper and deeper into despair, depravity and decadence.
Heather,
Did Rasheed Dinkins suffer neurological damage as well? The last I heard there was some concern about possible brain damage.
Thank you Heather! I am glad you are here too! My, my what a studious girl you are! I gotta catch up with you! :)
Not all at one time, of course. The last one is all one title. Sorry about the period.
HisMan: 10:41:
I agree!
Mary, I believe so. Carla, you’re sweet. His Man, great idea!!
Carla,
Exactly! Especially the nurse….I mean, she KNOW’S what could happen and she still went on ahead. What horrible situations these women must have been in to feel like THAT was the best thing to do to themselves and their babies. Sad for everyone. :(
Sounds like a plan, HisMan!!
All, stay tuned…I’m writing something up.
HisMan, 10:21 p.m.
Sounds like a great idea to me!
I am so glad to hear this. It struck me as hideously ironic that Habitat for Humanity would join hands with a group so dedicated to violating the first habitat for all humanity, the womb, and turn it from a place of nurture and sanctuary into one of torture and death. I’m glad HH has severed their unholy alliance with PP.
Elizabeth 10:12PM
In my many years in nursing I have seen people do bizarre and horrific things to themselves for reasons only they comprehend.
I’ve seen people mutilate, mangle, and maim themselves by ingesting Drano crystals, blowing off their faces, shooting the wrong part of their brain, overdosing, you name it.
Its possible many “illegal abortions” were not abortions, but self mutilation for whatever sick reason.
In the book “And I Don’t Want To Live This Life” Deborah Spungen discusses her life with her mentally ill daughter Nancy. Nancy “aborted” herself. Turns out Nancy was never pregnant but always spoke of her “illegal abortion”. Mrs.Spungeon viewed this as just another manifestation of her daughter’s illness.
A local attorney by the name of Jennifer recently wrote an article for a local magazine here. It was titled “Chipping Away At Roe” So, I began to read. The article sounded panicky. Jennifer said that “Abortion Rights were being taken away little by little.” “Doesn’t America know that women are capeable of making decisions about their own bodies?”..Then she wrote “If Abortion is made illegal, many women will suffer the same fate as Becky Bell, the teen who died from an illegal abortion because she was afraid to tell her parents.” Um Jennifer, didn’t anyone ever tell you that that story was proven to be false years ago?…I had to chuckle a bit. They are still using BB as their poster girl. On the other hand, it’s sad that they are still milking this fallacy.
Wow, Mary. I can only wonder at the things I will encounter once I am a nurse.
Elizabeth, 10:34
My dear, that is the tip of the iceberg!
Good luck to you on your studies. :)
Heather 10:34PM
As an attorney, you would think evidence supporting or disproving an alleged incident would be of utmost importance to her.
Another little something to ponder. Many have expressed disgust over welfare mothers. We all know a few. I can understand people who get disgusted with those who milk the system. I also understand that it’s our tax dollars, but some people need the help. Now, who is paying for Rasheedah Dinkins botched abortion and ongoing medical care? I’m willing to bet it’s the government. The girl was a poor teen with 1 son already. That’s why she sought the abortion to begin with.
I am also a nurse.
But Mary, you knew that:)
At present I work with young adults,and I have also seen plenty.
Heather,
I am not disgusted by welfare mothers. I would be disgusted with women who didn’t take advantage of opportunities offered and allowed their children to starve. People who take advantage? Yes. But people who just need help to make life better for themselves and their kids? No way. There’s no shame in that. I’m glad that people have access to these resources. (Although, I do feel the programs need to be reformed somewhat) I do understand your point with your 10:43 p.m. posting.
Elizabeth, in no way was that directed at you.
Heather,
I know. :) Just making a reply.
I’ve heard people express their disgust.You don’t have to look very hard to find those who will. My frien was a “welfare mother.” when we met years ago. She’s now an RN and she works in dialysis.
I know, and I’m sure it’s built on the notion that ALL people on welfare are lazy and/or just trying to get something for nothing. But as we find with blanket statements, they are basically fallacies. My friend is also on welfare, and she’s ALWAYS at work.
And in all fairness, I know women on welfare. Some work and some don’t want to. Some seem to have made it a way of life. What can you do?
Looks like we posted at the same time.
I’m an LPN..that stands for low paid nurse..lol!
niiice.. I always enjoyed voluntering to Habitat for Humanity and was going to stop. Now I can volunteer to help them again. Yeah!
just thinking @ 10:30 PM What a great turn of phrase!
Heather 10:49PM
I’m disgusted by men who have their fun and walk away from their responsibilities, abandoning women and children to lives of poverty and dependency.
Instead of going after “lazy” welfare mothers, we should hold the men who abandon them in contempt and responsible for the support of their children. Maybe they’ll be more inclined to keep their pants zipped.
Mary, you are correct. I know some cases where the entire family is on. The man, woman, and the kids.
just thinking 10:30 said: “It struck me as hideously ironic that Habitat for Humanity would join hands with a group so dedicated to violating the first habitat for all humanity, the womb…”
Chris 6:34: said: just thinking @ 10:30 PM What a great turn of phrase!
Chris, thanks for pointing that out, I missed it the first time! Very good, jt!
Edyt: Chicago was a swamp and we built over that! But I do feel bad for the people who won’t have access to low-income housing, particularly with the mortgage crisis and all.
On the news this morning I saw that 8.8% of US houses are past due on payments or in foreclosure…Yee Haa this baby isn’t over yet…whew.
Doug,
That’s awful. One of my colleagues wrote an article about mortgage brokers and the guilt some of them have been feeling over lending to people who couldn’t afford it. They feel pressured into doing it so they can get a commission, but at the same time, some of these people have been able to access homes, cars, and other “luxuries” when they really didn’t have the ability to pay for them.
The bubble had to burst eventually. It’s just horrible because a lot of these people thought they’d be okay and apparently, they’re not. I hope those stimulus checks help, even in a small way.
Edyt said: That’s awful. One of my colleagues wrote an article about mortgage brokers and the guilt some of them have been feeling over lending to people who couldn’t afford it. They feel pressured into doing it so they can get a commission, but at the same time, some of these people have been able to access homes, cars, and other “luxuries” when they really didn’t have the ability to pay for them.
I agree. These mortgage brokers should have never been allowed ( by whoever regulates such transactions) to sell the no money down and adjustable rate mortgages to people who didn’t know better. It’s this same thinking that makes the credit companies give credit cards to people who can’t afford them. They are making tons of money on the backs of poor people. It’s ridiculous. I heard recently that home values have gone down 25% in Miami and it’s almost as bad in other areas. Personally I wish builders would start building more reasonably priced homes instead of the mansions I’m seeing everywhere. Tey are expensive to maintain and the taxes are unbelievable. When the baby boomers get old, I’m afraid there’s going to be a glut of expensive real estate – it’s already happening.
It’s just a symptom of people living beyond their means, even if some fault does lie with untruthful lenders.
Perhaps it was the “high” point of the trend that has been in effect since World War II in the US – going away from the lessens learned in the Depression of the 1930’s and toward more debt and less saving and equity-building.
The markets are a study of human emotion going from one extreme to another. The Depression led to one – the feeling that debt was anathema, etc., and now we’ve gone a long way the opposite direction. Are we in a “1929” deal?
I don’t know, and yes, things will be “different” this time, but nevertheless the table is set for some financial pain.
Doug, I agree!
Doug 6:35PM
An excellent point. People exercise bad judgment and make bad decisions. For some reason we never hold people accountable for this fact.
Its got to be some other conniving soul who victimized them.
Mary, yes indeed – it comes down to “can I pay for this or not.”
If a banker outright lies to a person about the terms of a contract, that is one thing, but for the most part the current “crisis” is people living beyond their means and not really facing that they have to pay their debts, and that ever-increasing debt is not the solution (despite the fact that the gov’t does it).
Certainly not my place to choose for other people, but so many times I see somebody buy something, and think, “There’s no way that’s worth it – it’s really a waste to them. They’d be better off without it. And they’d be MUCH better off without the additional debt it made for.”
On TV this morning there was talk of the gov’t guaranteeing loans to “rescue” people in over their heads…. Sheesh.
I don’t know, and yes, things will be “different” this time, but nevertheless the table is set for some financial pain.
Oooh… pain for breakfast! That can’t be a complete meal. :(
Edyt, gotta “take the good with the bad” heh heh heh.
So, what happens next in Sarasota?
Janet, the Cork and Bottle Shop Restaurant on St. Armand’s Circle, has their wine-tastings on Thursday nights, and today’s the day!