Planned Parenthood caught on tape misinforming, pushing abortion
Pro-aborts attack pregnancy care center counselors for trying to dissuade mothers in crisis pregnancies from aborting, as if that’s so bad, and for supposedly dispensing misinformation. Yet, over and over they demonstrate they’re the ones giving out the bad info.
LiveAction.org today released the 3rd in its Rosa Acuna series of videos, a “multi-state undercover audit documenting Planned Parenthood’s abortion counseling,” according to its site.
All 3 released videos are of PPs located in WI, this 1 at 5380 Fon du Lac Ave., Milwaukee, pictured above right.
In this video the PP counselor states a preborn baby at 6-8 weeks of age has “no legs, no arms, no head, no brain, no heart,” which is false, false, false, false and false. She makes the nonsensical statement, “The fetus is the developing embryo inside you,” which would normally make me laugh if we weren’t talking life or death here….
And throughout this video the PP counselor pushes for a rush-rush abortion while stressing the down side to babies – “midnight feedings, diapers, money” – the bad economy, the “burden” of adoption, those “horrible” abortion photos, and, of course, the abortion industry’s reputation of “throwing the babies out the back door and into the dumpster.”
Well, no, they’re more savvy now. As LA points out, they now have trucks cart the aborted waste away, unless they’re stupid, like Hodari. Example, left, of an aborted baby found in his trash.
Another reason “it’s nothing like that,” as the PP counselor stated, is because PPs push mothers to abort at home via RU-486 abortions, and dispose of the babies themselves, in the toilet. That was the intent here, as the counselor stated,” Well, you’d miscarry at home.”
Once again, great job by the LiveAction.org team. Read more about this investigative video here.
[Photo of PP via PP]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
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The Catholic Church’s continued abuse and cover-up of abuse of actual, real children.
Posted by: Anne at April 12, 2010 4:24 PM
Watching this video made me so mad. No matter where you stand on abortion, do you really want women making the decision out of such blatant misinformation? I was particularly disgusted by the adoption “counseling”, as my husband and I are shortly going to begin the process for our third adoption. I have actually had people say to me “at least with abortion I’m taking care of my own problems–with adoption I’d just be pushing my burdens and responsibilities on to someone else.” Hmmm I wonder if the girls who said that got their “information” from Planned Parenthood. It all makes sense now! Never mind that we are sitting here yearning for the privilege of paying at least $12,000.00 to take on that “burden.” Nice.
Lies. Lies. Lies.
WI by law has to provide women with medically accurate information.
THANK YOU, LIVE ACTION!
How about you provide actual proof that there are “untold thousands” and also proof that anyone on this site condones or ignores legitimate cases of abuse against children no matter who the perpetrator is?
Put up or shut up.
We pray for children, but we’ll also pray for YOU Anne. Not everyone that visits this site is Catholic (I’m not). Your ‘argument’ is comparing apples and oranges. What exactly is your point? That children should just be aborted because they MAY be abused somewhere down the line???
Anne,
Get a clue. The Catholic Church had admitted this abuse and has bent over backwards to acknowledge and correct any mistakes made that brought harm to those afflicted. No one in the Catholic church who as much as even volunteers with children can do so without proper training. Almost all of the abuse occured prior to 1980 and reported abuses are now almost non-existent.
Let’s look at some more facts:
Studies suggest that approximately 2 million children are victimized by sexual abuse every year. One quarter to one third of all perpetrators are family members. But this figure could be as high as 50%. Half of the offenders are friends, other children or family aquaintances. The mother’s live-in boyfriend or stepfathers rank high on the list of abusers.
Let’s talk about that, or not since this is an abortion blog and not a sexual abuse blog btw.
A 2004 report commisoned by the US DOE found that 6%- 10% of children in public schools have been harrassed or sexually abused by educators or school employees. This figue is about 100 times higher than abuse by priests.
What about other religions? I have read past reports that abuse has been just as prevelant in other churches but goes virtually unnoticed and gets a big ho hum from the media. This confirmed by a family member who has been a minister in a Lutheran church for over 40 years.
Child abuse is EVERYWHERE Anne. The Catholic Church doesn’t have a monopoly on it. I in fact was molested as a child..and it had nothing to do with the Catholic Church. Just keep spewing your venom Anne..we can take it.
“The proof is well-documented–it’s not my job to do the legwork in finding it for you.”
Posted by: Anne at April 12, 2010 5:04 PM
No, I’m sorry, it doesn’t work that way. You make a claim, you back it up. You’re the one making these assertions, and if you can’t back them up, then you’re just making noise.
Dear Lord Jesus,
I pray in your name that the evil, malicious cloud of darkness that lives in Anne’s heart be expelled and that the light of Christ might come to live in her this day and for all eternity.
Amen.
“The Myth of the Pedophile Priest” by Philip Jenkins, a Penn State University professor of history and religious studies
http://www.zenit.org/article-3922?l=english
I have been raped twice. 1st time by a Luthern college classmate (he was not and never became a priest).
2nd time by my Catholic-by-birth only ex-Brother-in-Law (he was not and never became a priest).
I am proud to be both a practicing Catholic and Pro-Life.
I will not let rapists of any denomination or pro-aborts of any denomination cause me to leave my Faith or define what I know to be moral living and right decision making.
Now what were we talking about? Oh right, how often and blatently Planned Parenthood Lies to women thereby further keeping them oppressed. . . . .
Anne, I’ll say an extra rosary for you tonight. Peace.
I was raped by my eighth grade science teacher at a Lutheran school.
http://www.dailyestimate.com/article.asp?id=29412 “Where is Justice for Falsely Accused Priests”
Just to show that false accusations can happen anywhere: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/04/11/bc-false-accusation-harrison.html
Anne,
Your comments have been deleted. Enough with the Catholic Church/abuse.
Anne: Explain how sex abuse in the Catholic Church means the Planned Parenthood worker on the video isn’t lying.
Also, hello? The topic of this website is pro-life and abortion issues. Therer are any number of crimes and injustices Jill could post about on this site, but that’s not the purpose of the site.
I really have to wonder why you’re still here.
“it’s purposely trying to ignore the issue and keep anybody from bringing it up on its comment forums”
Which is why all of your comments about it have been deleted, right, Anne? Ahem.
Oh, now I see they have been deleted…and I don’t blame the moderators, as the entire point of the comments was to be incendiary and make ridiculous claims that because a website doesn’t have posts about an off-topic subject, that means the people behind the website don’t care.
Critical Reading 101:
That is a description of Jill’s efforts in all areas of her life.
This site is about a very specific topic: abortion.
Oh, now I see they have been deleted…and I don’t blame the moderators, as the entire point of the comments was to be incendiary and make ridiculous claims that because a website doesn’t have posts about an off-topic subject, that means the people behind the website don’t care.
Posted by: Marauder at April 12, 2010 5:59 PM
Yup. Typical pro-abort response: “I can’t refute the humanity of the pre-born, I can’t refute the inhumanity of murdering them… hmm…. OH LOOK… A COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT STATEMENT!”
Go Live Action! This is savvy undercover investigative journalism. Media hacks could learn a thing or two.
Boycott the NY Times.
Enough with all this anti-Catholic nonsense.
Psalm 139:13-16 (Message Bible)
Oh yes, you shaped me first inside, then out;
you formed me in my mother’s womb.
I thank you, High God—you’re breathtaking!
Body and soul, I am marvelously made!
I worship in adoration—what a creation!
You know me inside and out,
you know every bone in my body;
You know exactly how I was made, bit by bit,
how I was sculpted from nothing into something.
Like an open book, you watched me grow from conception to birth;
all the stages of my life were spread out before you,
The days of my life all prepared
before I’d even lived one day.
Next is a story from Florida about a botched “selective reduction.” That is the sugar coated term for aborting one or more babies from a multple pregnancy but leaving one or more in the womb. In this case one twin was targeted for abortion because he supposedly had Down’s Syndrome and a heart defect. (As I’ve discussed in earlier writings, those early diagnoses are not always correct) The doctor, however, made a mistake and aborted the “wrong” twin. So.. we have a couple who spent a lot of money and time to go through an expensive procedure in order to become parents. Now, through their own choices and a tragic “mistake” they end up with no children instead of two..(they subsequently aborted the other baby as well) The doctor had his medical license revoked and is now reportedly suicidal. And, lest we forget, we also have 2 babies who were denied the right to exist in this world. So much devastation from one decision and so little regard for human life. Ironically enough, had the doctor killed the “right” baby in the womb,everything would have been fine….at least for everyone except the Down’s baby.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/11/1573598/sarasota-doctor-revoked-for-aborting.html
Ashley:
Please, they tell her to get have the procedure earlier because they know if she waits she will be less likely to have the abortion.
From PP’s business perspective it’s better to make something off of a dead child than nothing off of a live child.
Ashley–
She doesn’t “mention” every available option…she dismisses every available option. Parenting–to expensive! Adoption–pushing a burden on someone else! Abortion–she even says “that’s what I would do”!
It’s called coercion. Oh, and flat out lying. Oh, and lying by omission.
Happened to me. Coincidence? I think not. The pattern is well established.
At Christmas 2009, my cousin brought her ultrasound picture. When I got a quick look at it, I could clearly see a tiny little person, who is due in July. I even joked that I could see a shopping bag (and now I found out she is having a girl! I am excited for her. At Easter I said if the baby is born holding a credit card, that they are in big trouble. ;) ). At the time she was close to probably 2 months along. Planned Parenthood HATES ultrasound technology (especially 3D and 4D) because it overrides their LIES they tell about fetal development. They never want women to see the ultrasound because MANY women DO change their minds when they see the HUMANITY of their little child.
The abortion industry is based solely on its ability to hide the truth.
Reveal the truth and women choose life. Bad for business.
The reason they mention the price goes up later in the pregnancy is to help a ‘customer’ buy now, or the deal gets worse.
It’s a sales tactic that sells everything from cars to homes to groceries, and yes – even abortion.
We’ve had that done here too – with ‘if you get it done today…’ We even had one of the men employees follow a woman out of the clinic, when she refused to abort after she came in for only a pregnancy test. She was amazed to find out they’d try to pressure a young black woman to abort… She and her boyfriend were horrified to know they would stoop so low.
They left happy they were expecting. And they certainly had a different view of PP after that experience, for sure.
What I want to know is when some lawyer is going to sue PP for covering up for the abusers of PP’s abortion clientele. That would be a goldmine. The abuse victims have standing to sue PP for not reporting the abuse. They have those class action suits advertising on billboards for all sorts of negligence/tort victims. It sure would be effective to have big signs in major metropolitan areas asking,
Were you a victim of statutory rape and forced to abort by your abuser? Did your health care provider fail to inform the authorities? You could be entitled to compensation. Call our Law Firm. No cost to you. Call now to get the just compensation you deserve.
Was the salesperson at PP on commission? (She was selling abortion as if her livelihood depended on it.)
how come you delete Anne’s comments? i don’t much care for Anne but i think she should be able to say what she wants. free country? idk. and the whole catholic church thing. I’m catholic- catholic school k-6 church every Sunday and I’m pro-choice(NOT-PRO ABORT so don’t call me that) and i think that you have to pick and choose what you believe. i don’t believe everything but i do know that they did try to fix things.
that video is sad but you can’t punish everyone for the ones who don’t tell the entire truth about things
“I’m pro-choice(NOT-PRO ABORT so don’t call me that)”
Posted by: anna at April 12, 2010 10:26 PM
I hear you Anna. You empathize with the mother with the unplanned pregnancy. Having a child is a major event in life. You want to support a young mom’s right to choose to terminate her pregnancy.
At the same time, you don’t like abortion, because, after all, it is killing a child.
Unfortunately, if you say you are pro-choice, you are saying you support the right of a mother to kill her pre-born child.
That is the truth. Anything short of that and you’re deceiving yourself.
I’m pro-choice(NOT-PRO ABORT so don’t call me that) Posted by: anna at April 12, 2010 10:26 PM
anna, you are pro-choice to abort. quit lying to yourself
i understand that. I’m not in love with abortions, i just think that you shouldn’t be told that you can’t do it. i’m not one of those pro-choice people who argue with the fact that its a baby, it has arms and legs and so on but i think that sometimes no life is better than a life at all if you look at where the mothers life is at. It is her fault and she should have to deal with consequences but an abortion sometimes is the best option for a mother.
What does Pro-choice and anti-abortion mean? My brother told me that that that is what he is and I just don’t get it. To me it one way or the other and you’ll just have to deal with the guilt that comes along with being pro- killing of babies.
there is a difference between pro-choice and pro-abort. yes i know there are other options out there- adoption, parent but there are pros and cons to all of the options it should be up to the mother(and father) to decide what is best to do
” sometimes no life is better than a life at all”
Why don’t you just give that person a chance to decide whether they want a life or not? Anything else is capital punishment.
So Anna, you are pro- letting the parents decide whether or not to rip their child apart in the womb based on their circumstances? But the term pro-abort offends you?
remember – having the choice to abortion is the choice to kill the pre-born human child.
Is anyone here pro-choice for slavery? Men beating women? poarents beating children? No? Then why are we debating about choice when it regards the death of a pre-born child?
Maybe because some people won’t face it when at one point in their lives they supported abortion on some level.
When we know better, we do better. We don’t still say ‘but I want to touch that hot stove with my hand!’
And let’s hope and pray that people finally come to the realization that abortion is barbaric, inhumane and immoral.
Anna – you can still love people, even those who have a fallen-notion of what is good.
It takes a big person to admit that maybe they are seeing things from a new prospective or stop supporting something they used to think was benign.
We grow, we know more and we do better.
pretty much sure lets go with that
i think people have the right to chose what they do and to deal with the consequences
“i think people have the right to chose what they do and to deal with the consequences ”
Does this extend to killing post-born humans as well?
I’m going to bed now – but Anna I have a question for you — why do you not find abortion unthinkable?
Who do you know who had had an abortion or who helped someone have one? Do you think that is the best we have to offer women who are pregnant?
If you could help a younger sister or a dear friend who is pregnant – what would be the first thing that you would offer for help?
In the land of wishes – what would be the perfect offer of help?
I’ll read tomorrow…
goodnight all. Early morning tomorrow!
I don’t think you really agree with what you just said. You make an exception for abortion because the child has no ‘choice’ or say in the matter. The mother is bigger and can ‘choose’ to do what she wants.
Truthfully I don’t see how you could be okay with someone killing you because it improved their quality of life. For example: if there was one spot left for a scholarship to college and you recieved it instead of another girl. You are okay with her ‘choosing’ to kill you to get the scholarship and education because she’d have to deal with the consequences? Dealing with the consequences might get her put in prison, but only if she got caught.
People should not have the right to choose to do just anything that is convient to them.
goodnight joy,
i would give her every option and support her in whatever she did. i don’t think abortion is unthinkable because i know many people who have had abortions. its not unthinkable, its just not the best choice out there but its her choice.
of course i think its wrong or bad but its not my decision. its hers
and i think murder and rape ect… are bad to but its what you have to deal with when you believe people have the right to choose as along as they are big enough to deal with the consequences of their choice. suicide is horrible but the person who took their own life had that choice.
there are consequences to everything- sex=pregnancy risk
parenting- horrible [parent, situation, ect..
adoption- the weirdo people who adopt and abuse children
abortion-taking a life
there are more things to all of them but those are just examples
abortion is not convenient
Anna,
You do realize that pro-choice to abort goes against Catholic teachings?
Punisher,
i know, thats why i said that i don’t believe everything the catholic church teaches.
i.e. complete creation- i believe that both creation and evolution play a part. i believe something/someone put something/someone here and it evolved.
“and i think murder and rape ect… are bad to but its what you have to deal with when you believe people have the right to choose as along as they are big enough to deal with the consequences of their choice.”
You do realize murder and rape are choices, right?
So if they are choices, that do not mean that we should make them legal for right to choose and act on that choice, right?
I would stop someone from being murdered if I had the opportunity. I would stop a rape from happening if it was in my power to do so.
I would never stand by and say “That person is an adult. If they want to murder that girl, well, they’ll have to deal with the consequences.”
THAT GIRL has to deal with the consequences! ANd her family! Why are the victims (babies) never considered in the abortion debate? Only the mothers convience?
okay you all are going to hate me but i dnt care.
abortion and cold blood murder ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
that baby has no idea whats going on, had no real life yet. and as i’ve said before i’m not in love with abortion and it is not a convenience.
im going to bed goodnight
Hi Anna. :) I hope you are doing well.
Just to clarify, the comments made by Anne were completely off-topic from this thread (we call that “hijacking a thread”). If people wish to discuss the Catholic Church and are upset that the topic (or other topics) aren’t present here on this blog, then the best course of action for them is to find a blog that *is* discussing that topic and post comments there.
And yes, it is a free country, which means anyone can go and write their own blog on their topics of interest. :)
How are you, Anna? I hope you’ll keep us updated.
“abortion and cold blood murder ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. that baby has no idea whats going on, had no real life yet.”
That is fallacious and here is why- neither do the newly born baby knows what’s going on. So does that mean ending the newly born baby’s life is not cold blooded murder?
And how do you define real life? What about the unborn that already have brain, heart, genitals that identify his or her sex, heart, limps, etc.?
Anna,
You are not hated. We are obviously on opposite sides of this issue and that will always incur passionate responses from people.
Abortion and Cold Blooded Murder are exactly the same things. They happen to be packaged and sold differently here (USA) because abortion is legal.
All human life MUST be respected or no human life deserves to be respected. Either every human is entitled to certain inalienable rights, or there are no inalienable rights at all.
You are right about one thing though, abortion is not convenient. But most pro-aborts believe it is and sell it as such. (See above video)
Have a good night, Anna.
makes sense kelli. i really didn’t care i was just wondering what she was saying. i really don’t like that women and i’m doing good i’ve got a doctor appointment next week to figure out whats all going on. i still don’t know for sure yet. my last 2 tests were negative so i don’t know whats going on.
how are you? and i will keep you all who want to know updated :)
I’m doing well, thanks. :) Glad to hear you’ve got an appointment. That way you can know for sure…and sometimes the waiting is just awful!!
We care about you here, so do keep us updated! :)
I have to get myself to bed now… I have a little man who will be waking up soon for another feeding, I’m sure, and I need some rest! :)
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anna, abortion is the coldest blooded kind of murder there is. It is a mother killing her own child. It doesn’t get more ugly than that.
Who is it who is called the Father of Lies????!!!!
This is utterly predictable. However, if I might digress from my theological flight of fancy and focus on more mundane matters…
It seems the pro-aborts can’t have it both ways. If they insist that abortion is an authentic and genuine medical procedure, then fully informed consent must be enshrined in law and ethics. This means that the woman must understand what it is she is asking the staff to do.
That would entail the staff showing her the baby on sonogram, illustrations of development, and giving accurate percentages for the various side and after-effects of the procedure. These would not only include the gynecologic, but oncological and psychological sequellae as well.
By any reasonable standard, the employee in this expose lied to and manipulated not only the confederate in this video, but doubtless other women.
Going forward, fully informed consent must include a statement about the organismal identity and bodily integrity of the object of the abortionist’s proceedings, namely the human identity and status of the baby about to be killed.
HI Anna.
“i don’t believe everything the catholic church teaches. i.e. complete creation”
Given what I think you mean by complete creation, I can assure you that the Catholic Church does not teach this. For an easy read, check out the wiki article on it (it links to sources) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution It’s fairly accurate, except for the fact that it seems to say that the Catholic Church’s position is theistic evolution, which is not correct- the Church does not have nor take a “position.” God love you.
If women are not told THE TRUTH about their growing child how can they make an informed “choice??” How are they to know when an ultrasound is not shown to them? Women who are in a total state of shock and fear for their futures cannot reason it all through when someone says, “It’s just a bunch of cells.”
Every woman I know who has had an abortion has been lied to.
Sadly that is how PP operates! They prey on women and lie by omission. Do not tell them the facts. Do not tell them anything about fetal development. Do not trust women with THE TRUTH!
How is it choice when you feel like you have no choice and those that claim to want to “help” you are lying??
Anna: You may not be aware that this video is one of several videos of Planned Parenthood employees lying about fetal development or what abortion entails. This is far from the one bad apple. This has happened many different times in many different states.
I know it can be difficult to fully disapprove of something when you know basically good people who have done that thing. We don’t hate people who disagree with us or people who have had abortions, but abortion is still the taking of a human life. Maybe the people you know who had abortions didn’t understand that or believe that or managed to rationalize what they were doing anyway, but it’s still the truth. A lot of people have been fed misinformation about what abortion entails.
Not wanting to consider adoption because of the slight chance that adoptive parents might be abusive is like never going to a doctor because some doctors have been accused of malpractice. Heck, some doctors have even been serial killers, but that doesn’t mean it’s better to, say, let yourself die of treatable cancer just in case the doctor is a bad person. It’s not better to allow a baby to die through abortion in just in case potential adoptive parents might be abusive, either.
Besides, you can always have an open adoption and be able to see the baby and the adoptive parents so you can see for yourself that the baby is doing well. Abortion is a universally sad “solution” that just creates more problems in the long run.
I’m glad you have a doctor’s appointment. Stay strong and hang in there.
“I’m pro-choice(NOT-PRO ABORT so don’t call me that)”
Posted by: anna at April 12, 2010 10:26 PM
From the JFK Library website:
‘The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of moral crisis preserve their neutrality.’
One of President Kennedy’s favorite quotations was based upon an interpretation of Dante’s Inferno. As Robert Kennedy explained in 1964, “President Kennedy’s favorite quote was really from Dante, ‘The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of moral crisis preserve their neutrality.'” This supposed quotation is not actually in Dante’s work, but is based upon a similiar one. In the Inferno, Dante and his guide Virgil, on their way to Hell, pass by a group of dead souls outside the entrance to Hell. These individuals, when alive, remained neutral at a time of great moral decision. Virgil explains to Dante that these souls cannot enter either Heaven or Hell because they did not choose one side or another. They are therefore worse than the greatest sinners in Hell because they are repugnant to both God and Satan alike, and have been left to mourn their fate as insignificant beings neither hailed nor cursed in life or death, endlessly travailing below Heaven but outside of Hell. This scene occurs in the third canto of the Inferno…
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Dante+Quote.htm
Anne, have you ever stopped to consider that perhaps a society that thinks it’s okay to brutally dismember fetuses would actually have less regard for children as well? If we don’t value our children when they are the most vulnerable and helpless, why should we value those same children when their 2 or 5 or 10?
*they’re
“…of course i think its wrong or bad but its not my decision. its hers” – Anna
Anna, Why do you think it’s gonna be ok for the other girl/woman to kill the unborn child in their womb IF it’s not ok for you to kill your own unborn child?
because their unborn child isn’t mine or my responsibility
Anna,
Blessings to you. You can not be pro-choice and Roman Catholic. I sincerely hope that you are not participating in the sacrament of Eucharist. If you are, you should stop immediately. Your sacrament would actually be invalid because you are not in full communion with the Catholic Church. I advise you to talk to your priest about your views on the issue of abortion. I pray that you come back to the Faith.
um I’m pretty sure Angela or martin whoever you are that Kelli said before this is not about religion and if you have a problem with my beliefs whether it be about my faith or other things then maybe you shouldn’t read my comments. i will participate in the things that i want to. get over it. and I’m not talking to any priest about anything, go talk to your own priest.
“because their unborn child isn’t mine or my responsibility”
So if someone one’s else spouse is being abused, you would support the right to abuse that person because the one being abused is not yours or your responsibility? Or what about the child a mother kills in cold blood after birth? The child is not yours and therefore not your responsibility.
Just because it is not yours and not your responsibility is not valid reason to support right to do something that is harmful to that child.
its completely different. you can’t compare abortion to abusing your spouse and if someone was being abused or abusing and didn’t say anything or ask for help then i would stay out of it.
her body her baby her life and its not mine
i don’t understand why people can’t just stay out of other peoples business, as long as what they are doing isn’t hurting you then why do you need to be involved in it
“its completely different. you can’t compare abortion to abusing your spouse and if someone was being abused or abusing and didn’t say anything or ask for help then i would stay out of it.”
Yes, I can compare them, because you made the fallacious claim that if what goes on does not hurt you, it should be none of your business. Guess what: the examples involve cases that don’t hurt you either when it involves others you don’t know.
And you are switching arguments. It is one thing for you not to intervene if you don’t know about it, which is what you are now arguing.
But the previous argument you made was that since it was none of your business, you support right to abort one’s child. You were not arguing about personally intervening yourself in the prior post. You were talking about legality and rights of folks.
By your logic, then you should have no problem supporting legal right to abuse others already born or even murder them, as long as it is none of your business.
“her body”
The baby is seperate body, not her body. Unless you want to argue the pregnant woman has a penis if she is carrying a male baby (a great argument Kathy Ireland raised against the unborn is woman’s body mantra to be disposed of as the woman pleases).
“her baby”
So is the baby already born. So do you support her right to kill the baby if already born? After all, her baby, right?
“her life and its not mine”
Neither is the person abusing his or her spouse next door, and I seriously doubt you support legal right to do these things.
Your argument is not your life and not you involved is not justification to support right to do something that violates others’ rights.
“i don’t understand why people can’t just stay out of other peoples business, as long as what they are doing isn’t hurting you then why do you need to be involved in it”
That’s the justification many Germans used to turn blind eye to the sufferings of the Jews during WW2. What happened to the Jews did not affect them so why should they care?
Likewise, slaveowners complained that them owning slaves was none of the business of the abolitionists.
The funny thing is many pro-choicers use your argument yet most of the time they demand we pay for what they claim is something private and that neither we nor the government have a say in it.
Ironic.
Let me repeat myself: when a whole class of humanity is having their rights violated in this country, it is our business as citizens of this country to oppose that. Just as business of abolitionists to take stand against slavery though others owning slaves did not affect them. Just as business of many in the 1950s and 1960s to taking stand against unjust laws against blacks, even though the ones who are not minorities are not affected for the most part by such laws.
i don’t understand why people can’t just stay out of other peoples business, as long as what they are doing isn’t hurting you then why do you need to be involved in it
Posted by: anna at April 13, 2010 11:56 PM
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Hi Anna. Well, that’s pretty easy. Because we view the taking of innocent human life as something we cannot turn a blind eye to. Unborn children, regardless of what you choose to call them, are in fact human beings, and we believe they should have the right to live and not have that right taken from them because they are weaker, because they are dependent, or because they are arbitrarily labeled as “not human” and cannot speak for themselves.
We view abortion as a grave injustice against humanity (and not only to the unborn but to their mothers as well), and it is impossible to stay silent while we believe this, because to do so would be to lend approval to the killing of fellow human beings.
You just said “her body, her baby…” This is true. The baby is *in* her body, but not part *of* her body. So it’s not just her body we’re talking about here. If it was, there’d be no debate as far as I’m concerned. If abortion does not take the life of another human being, then we can all go home. Problem is, it does. This is the intentional killing of weaker, smaller human beings by those stronger, those in power. Those who sometimes are so obsessed with having “power” over their situations and themselves that they will dispose of their own offspring. To me, that’s frightening.
Whenever I see injustice in the world where the oppressed have no voice and no one to plead their case, it disgusts me. Abortion is like that. These humans have no voice of their own, so I will be an advocate for them. I will speak for their right to live. I will also speak for the right of their mothers to be informed and not preyed upon by an industry which profits from the killing of unborn humans.
“when a whole class of humanity is having their rights violated in this country, it is our business as citizens of this country to oppose that. Just as business of abolitionists to take stand against slavery though others owning slaves did not affect them”- Punisher
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Amen, bro. I don’t think Anna will get this one either…she doesn’t view the unborn as persons with inalienable rights guaranteed by the constitution… hence what happens to them are nothing to her.
Typical brainwashing by PP and the liberal education system and it’s leaders.