New poll/Old poll
The new poll question is up:
A t-shirt with this logo was recently made available: “When environmentalists start saving babies, I will start saving trees!” Thoughts? Choose up to 2 answers.
Re: last week’s poll, about midweek a faithful reader wrote wondering if liberals were emailing friends to skew the poll to favor Democrats…
I checked, and it turned out our International friends were actually the ones doing the skewing. Either they don’t want the American Congress to shut down, or they support the concept of activist judges more than we do. I’d sure like to hear their thoughts. Come on, comment! We won’t bite!
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As always, make comments to either this or last week’s poll here, not on the Vizu website.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Ok so you don’t want to help the environment, so you’re fine with raising your “precious” children in a polluted area? No, you’re probably just fine polluting everyone else’s homes. After all, you probably live in some secluded suburbia. Hello idiots! It’s the Earth! We live on it! Maybe you should grow up and start cleaning it up?
That’s to every idiot who is going to say, “Babies are much more important then the Earth!”
Ok we’ll just throw them into outer space and let them float around out there.
Oh please don’t delete my post it’s not being mean to anyone!
“When environmentalists start saving babies, I will start saving trees!”
Sounds like something an ignorant hillbilly would say.
So pro-lifers aren’t allowed to care about the environment, now? What do pro-lifers have against preserving the earth for future generations? Seems like the two issues should go hand in hand. What’s the point of saving babies if they have nowhere to live?
Disagree. That is petty and childish. It sounds like a two-year-old bargaining for dessert.
While Democrats may have a majority, they’re still giving in to the demands of the temper-tantrum-throwing Republicans. What it really amounts to is the Republicans being scared of not having power and acting juvenile to get it, rather than learn to actually negotiate to pass some bills that could help our country.
“When environmentalists start saving babies, I will start saving trees!”
Trees? What about the whales? Baby seals?
Let’s save the baby humans too!
Yes Janet, cause humans are totally going extinct. All 7 billion of us.
Jess,
I’m in favor of saving all of them.
Janet, you’re going to end war and find a way to end famine? You talk about people like we’re going extinct. Probably the biggest problem we face is that there are too many of us. But apparently we should all keep having as many babies as we can. Maybe we should focus on making people’s lives better who are already out and about in the world?
And you could probably help save some by at least trying to be environmentally conscious.
Jess is right. The environment is the single most important issue out there, even if it’s less immediate. If the anti-abortion candidate were great on the environment and the pro-choice candidate were awful, I would probably, very reluctantly, vote for the anti-abortion candidate.
The way things are going, the earth will soon be so overpopulated that people will wonder how anyone could ever be so destructive as to protest contraception.
The entire world’s population can comfortably fit in the state of Texas so we are not overpopulated.
People first, then trees.
Yeah LauraLoo, if we could comfortably live in less then a foot of space. Plus we need space for food, meat eaters take up so much more space.
I just love the way some pro-lifers see people, just keep popping them out and we’ll find a place to stash them! It’s not quantity it’s quality that should matter. We should be having kids just to see how fast we can fill up the world or make more white people or Christians or anyone.
“The entire world’s population can comfortably fit in the state of Texas so we are not overpopulated”
And tell that to the people in India living in their own filth. Close quarters, how plagues get started.
RE: the texas arguement. Okay you all can move to texas and fill that empty space. I will live in the midwest and be comfortable safe from the prolife extremists like Randy whats his face and that guy who runs “operation rescue”. Oh, and take the Quiverfull people with you too… that stuff just scares me! Fill up texas with as many of your followers and leave the rest of us alone.
LauraLoo, you wrote: “The entire world’s population can comfortably fit in the state of Texas so we are not overpopulated.”
It’s not a question of living space. It’s a question of food production and energy production.
Predictions by people like Paul Erlich of overpopulation disaster and mass starvation have not come true because of unexpected improvements in agriculture technology.
I am wondering how many people die naturally on a daily basis vs. how many are born? Too lazy to look it up.
Seems to me that we have lost hundreds of thousands in the last year due to natural disasters.
It is hardly the fault of people who want to have families and raise their children. As many children as they want to have. Um, cause it’s their Choice. :)
Yes Carla, because us pro-aborts are always telling people they can only have one. Wait, was that us or the Chinese government?
“Seems to me that we have lost hundreds of thousands in the last year due to natural disasters.”
Stupid Earth. Stupid nature. Lets show nature whose boss and nuke Yellowstone!
I agree with Reality on this one: the shirt implies that we need to choose between protecting children and protecting the environment.
But I also agree with those who state that the “overpopulation” crowd is wrongly blaming population when the problems are misallocation of resources and overdevelopment…
Jess,
Kinda ranty aren’t ya? What’s up?
Huh Carla? It’s just that I love trees! They give the best hugs! : )
But leave a bad bark aftertaste : (
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ccaps/images/hug5.gif
You will be happy to know Jess that we spent Father’s Day at a State Park and there were no garbage cans there. There was a big sign that said Carry Out what you Carry In!! Very cool! :)
I love baby hugs.
I am very pleased you enjoyed your day at your local state park : )
“I love baby hugs.”
If only there was a tree that made babies like an apple tree, only with babies. Then you’d be set for life =D
From ABC Newsman, John Stossel. His 20/20 Special: Myths, Lies and Straight Talk.
MYTH #7
Now, nothing infuriates me more than pro-“choice” environmentalists, who care more about trees than human beings, but how does that justify being bad stewardship of our environment? How immature and absurd to say that “When you start doing right I’ll stop doing wrong?”
Didn’t your mama tell you that two wrongs don’t make a right? Killing babies=wrong. Bad stewardship of the environment=wrong, a lesser wrong, but still wrong. People do go overboard if a sick, sad way when it comes to saving the environment, but we all have a duty not to litter, not to pollute, and to conserve and recycle whenever possible.
Grrrrr….
My blog on this is here .
I’m with Carla on this one. Baby hugs are better. Trees are a little scratchy. :)
Thank you lovethemboth!! Awesome!
Elizabeth, let’s love up the babies today!! :)
wow… what a way to feed the stereotype. Are we pro-life because it’s considered “conservative”?
I no that I’m not alone when I believe that I’m pro-life because I actually care about life, not because I want to use the abortion issue to feed into the political game.
sometimes this blog seems to be a lot more like the “conservative pulse” than the “pro-life pulse”
excuse me I meant to say “I know I’m not alone…”
typo :)
“Once I heard the sound
of the laughter of children.”
“And I wept warm, salty tears
for the lost trees.”
“Let the little children
come unto the trees…
and I will give them hope,” he said.
“But there are no trees
for the poor, lost, poor children.”
“Decay is their toy.”
“Despair is their game.”
“They have only chaos to climb.”
I think the context is by way of a response to totalitarian environmentalists.
It is true that environmentalists, as a group, support abortion. It would seem that they care more for animals and trees than for humans.
‘When you start saving babies, I’ll start saving trees’ is not saying I don’t care for trees. Its saying ‘you don’t care for babies, and because of that , all my energies are already used up protecting babies from you’
‘When you start caring for babies I’ll have more time to care for trees.’
(I don’t see anybody legislating against trees…or calling it a matter of choice that can’t be violated, so just don’t talk about it!)
It also is not saying that I do things to harm trees, or advocate the destruction of trees. Its not saying that a baby lover cannot also be a tree lover.
Its political expediency to throw hysterical fits about everything the ‘other guys’ say, but its not very bright. For one thing, you often get mixed up when identifying the ‘other guys’. Its a loser way of ‘debating’.
The Catholic Church cares about the Environment!
9/1/2007 2:18 AM
Pope attends eco-friendly youth festival
By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press Writer
Fri Aug 31, 4:05 PM ET
Pope Benedict XVI is taking a new step in the Vatican’s environmental campaign, leading a youth festival this weekend where participants will use recycled prayer books, biodegradable plates and backpacks made from reused nylon.
About 300,000 young Roman Catholics are expected to attend the festival in Loreto, home of Italy’s most famous Marian shrine, in a run-up to next year’s World Youth Day in Sydney, Australia.
The festival coincides with the church’s “Save Creation Day” and has a decidedly eco-friendly theme. Each participant will be given a knapsack made of recycled nylon containing a hand-cranked battery recharger, three sets of biodegradable plates and three bags for recycling trash.
Prayer books for Benedict’s Sunday Mass are made of recycled paper, hydrogen cars will be on display and trees will be planted in areas of southern Italy recently devastated by forest fires to make up for the carbon dioxide emissions generated by the festival, organizers said.
“The message about caring for the environment will be entrusted not just with words, but with the young people’s gestures and the things they use,” said the Rev. Paolo Giulietti.
The Italian company Novamont said the use of 400,000 of its biodegradable plates would amount to a reduction of C02 emissions of eight tons. As a result, it said, Loreto will be an “environmentally low-impact” event.
The Vatican has been going greener under Benedict, installing photovoltaic cells on the roof of its main auditorium to convert sunlight into electricity and joining a reforestation project aimed at offsetting its CO2 emissions.
Just this week, the pope bemoaned the destruction wrought by the recent forest fires in Greece and Italy, saying the blazes destroyed “humanity’s precious environmental patrimony.”
Benedict’s predecessor, Pope John Paul II, frequently spoke out about the need to care for God’s creation. And the spiritual leader of the world’s Orthodox Christians, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, is known as the “green patriarch” for his environmental initiatives.
The head of the Italian bishops’ conference, Monsignor Angelo Bagnasco, told Vatican Radio it was the responsibility of the church to teach its young about caring for the planet.
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Pope attends eco-friendly youth festival
By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press Writer
Fri Aug 31, 4:05 PM ET
Pope Benedict XVI is taking a new step in the Vatican’s environmental campaign, leading a youth festival this weekend where participants will use recycled prayer books, biodegradable plates and backpacks made from reused nylon.
About 300,000 young Roman Catholics are expected to attend the festival in Loreto, home of Italy’s most famous Marian shrine, in a run-up to next year’s World Youth Day in Sydney, Australia.
The festival coincides with the church’s “Save Creation Day” and has a decidedly eco-friendly theme. Each participant will be given a knapsack made of recycled nylon containing a hand-cranked battery recharger, three sets of biodegradable plates and three bags for recycling trash.
Prayer books for Benedict’s Sunday Mass are made of recycled paper, hydrogen cars will be on display and trees will be planted in areas of southern Italy recently devastated by forest fires to make up for the carbon dioxide emissions generated by the festival, organizers said.
“The message about caring for the environment will be entrusted not just with words, but with the young people’s gestures and the things they use,” said the Rev. Paolo Giulietti.
The Italian company Novamont said the use of 400,000 of its biodegradable plates would amount to a reduction of C02 emissions of eight tons. As a result, it said, Loreto will be an “environmentally low-impact” event.
The Vatican has been going greener under Benedict, installing photovoltaic cells on the roof of its main auditorium to convert sunlight into electricity and joining a reforestation project aimed at offsetting its CO2 emissions.
Just this week, the pope bemoaned the destruction wrought by the recent forest fires in Greece and Italy, saying the blazes destroyed “humanity’s precious environmental patrimony.”
Benedict’s predecessor, Pope John Paul II, frequently spoke out about the need to care for God’s creation. And the spiritual leader of the world’s Orthodox Christians, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, is known as the “green patriarch” for his environmental initiatives.
The head of the Italian bishops’ conference, Monsignor Angelo Bagnasco, told Vatican Radio it was the responsibility of the church to teach its young about caring for the planet.
http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/discussione.aspx?idd=6675691&p=5
Sorry for the double post within my last comment! @ 3:29
Okay, who’s hiding almost all the flags….?