Weekend question
Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt reportedly sold the first photos of their 3-week-old twins Vivienne Marcheline and Knox Léon for $14 million to People and Hello! magazines in a joint venture.
According to several news reports, the couple will donate their earnings to the nonprofit Jolie-Pitt Foundation, which has previously provided financial aid to Doctors Without Borders and Global Action for Children.
Do you think it is a good or bad idea to sell photos of one’s children, even if the money goes to charity?
[HT: proofreader Laura Loo]
Aug.09, 2008 7:10 am |
Pop Culture, Weekend question |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Well, I don’t think for your average Jane and John it’s a good idea. In the case of Brangelina, I think it is. Paparazzi are going to be obsessing over getting the first shots, so might as well beat them to the punch.
Yeah, I don’t really care enough to have an opinion. I mean the whole thing sort of disgusts me, but why not have the money go to people who need it?
I view this as turning something bad into something good, as best as you can given the circumstances. I think it’d be better if the whole obsession with celebrity pictures died down a bit, but since that’s not going to happen, I’d rather see the money go to charity than to some jerk with a camera.
Since these two are mega-celebrities that so many people are interested in, I don’t see anything wrong with them selling their babies’ pictures to a magazine. I’d pay 14 million dollars for pictures of Brad Pitt alone. Lol. As Wichita (above) said, it’s better to try to keep the paparazzi at bay. Hopefully these charities the are donating to are Pro-life.
I’ve heard conflicting reports on whether or not the babies were fertilized in-vitro. Supposedly they didn’t want to wait too long between this and her last pregnancy. I think they should have let nature take its course instead. God would have given them their babies according to His plan. As they said in the movie Bella, “If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans”.
I wish them all the best, God’s blessings on their family!
Wait a minute… are these two married yet???
I’m all for them selling the photos if others less fortunate will benefit from it.
Forgot to mention earlier that Brad and Angelina were also the recipients of beautiful photos of their entire family – not just the twins – so it’s a win/win for everybody.
However, I do wish they would get married and not continue to have all of these children out of wedlock.
They have said in the past that they don’t want to get married until ALL couples can marry, including gays.
I really don’t care enough about the baby picture issue to have an opinion. I guess the fact that they gave all that money to charity is nice.
I think it’s wonderful.
I don’t care that they’re not married. I mean, they live together and are raising children together. Do you think a marriage certificate would really change that much?
“They have said in the past that they don’t want to get married until ALL couples can marry, including gays.”
Good for them.
Jess, a marriage certificate is more than just a piece of paper; you are telling the community, the culture or society that you are making a commitment to the other person and to the children that might be born of your union. It makes for a stable foundation for the family and for society. In the Catholic Church, it is one of the sacraments wherein it is a covenant between the man, the woman, and God who promises to give them the grace necessary to love and commit to one another and their children should they be so blessed, and to get one another to heaven.
Yes, but Eileen, if you’re not doing it for religious reasons, then why do you need to tell the community that you’re making a commitment to your partner? I can see why people do, but I also don’t understand why people don’t think that “telling the community about their commitment” is vital.
Jess and Hal:
You obviously don’t understand what marriage is. First, it’s between a man and a woman. Any oterh version is perersion.
Marriage was ordained by God Himself to be the instituion on which society was based and built.
Brad and Angeline are setting a terrible example for the world.
What if Brad decides to leave? You think that will affect Angeline much? I mean they both have millions.
What about the non-married couple that has kids, and then the worm takes off. If you really cared about women, you two would never advocate that they not be married.
Eileen, 1:30: Jess, a marriage certificate is more than just a piece of paper; you are telling the community, the culture or society that you are making a commitment to the other person and to the children that might be born of your union. It makes for a stable foundation for the family and for society. In the Catholic Church, it is one of the sacraments wherein it is a covenant between the man, the woman, and God who promises to give them the grace necessary to love and commit to one another and their children should they be so blessed, and to get one another to heaven.
Well said!
Alexandra: 1:37: Yes, but Eileen, if you’re not doing it for religious reasons, then why do you need to tell the community that you’re making a commitment to your partner? I can see why people do, but I also don’t understand why people don’t think that “telling the community about their commitment” is vital.
Posted by: Alexandra at August 9, 2008 1:37 PM
If I may answer, getting married is a celebration in addition to a religious sacrament for those who are religious. The whole town doesn’t need to know, but friends and family often want to be a part of it and the bride and groom want to share their day as well.
Are you also asking why some people don’t need to make a formal committment at a wedding ceremony or even at a justice of the peace (which doesn’t cost much)?
Good question. It doesn’t make sense to me.
Are you also asking why some people don’t need to make a formal committment at a wedding ceremony or even at a justice of the peace (which doesn’t cost much)?
I’m not asking why. I’m just saying that if they see no religious value in getting married, then why should they particularly want to make a formal commitment? Many people choose to, for social/celebration purposes. Some people choose not to, for whatever reason. It is possible to commit to each other without a marriage certificate, and some people find the certificate unnecessary. It’s really no business of mine what their reasons are.
Alexandria:
You miss the boat.
Marriage is a spiritual state where a couple becomes one flesh. This cannot happen unless they proclaim before God and before the community that they will be faithful and committed until death. Besides, they can only be proclaimed one flesh if they are not already joined to another.
Besides, even if Brad and Angelina got “married”, if they did not divorce themselves from previous marriages under God’s only allowable excuse for divorce, i.e, unfaithfulness of the offending spouse, they are still mairried to their former spouses and are guilty of adultery. Now these are God’s words not mine, take it up with Him.
You know, I wouldn’t trade my spiritual state with that of the likes of Brad and Angelina for all their millions and their fame. Why? Because in the blink of an eye, their souls could be required by God and then find themselves poor, naked, and wretched before the Creator of the Universe. They are in a very dangerous situation an don’t realize it. Money and fame have a way of doing that to people.
You miss the boat.
All due respect, I didn’t offer my own opinions on marriage, or even on their marriage. I specifically said it’s none of my business.
Besides, you’re saying the same thing I am. Arguing from the perspective that marriage is a religious and spiritual union, wouldn’t it thus make sense that non-religious people would not necessarily see value in getting married?
HisMan,
looks like you don’t want to see them get married either.
There are two aspects to marriage. One is the civil/social contract. The other is the religious contract. If one isn’t religious, one doesn’t partake of that- it is meaningless to them.
I applaud their stand on not participating in even the civil aspect until it stops being discriminatory.
Personally I can’t stand either one of these celebrities. Pitt abandoned his wife and Jolie is just plain creepy-weird.
I’m with LauraLoo – they should get married. They are pretending they are a married couple – living together and having children. They should publicly declared their committment to each other at the very least, through some kind of ceremony. But my guess is, Angelina, ain’t having any of it. I give them no more than 10 years before their relationship goes belly up.
Oh and as for the pics – why not. At least some good will come of this Hollywood sham. My heart goes out to their beautiful children.
Marriage laws are discriminatory: yes that’s correct because only a man and a woman can be married. Everything else is NOT marriage.
“At least some good will come of this Hollywood sham. My heart goes out to their beautiful children.”
I agree Patricia….
The problem is, you guys think that once they get married, they won’t break up as easily. In all honesty when it comes to celebrities there really isn’t much of a difference. They get divorces just as much as regular breakups, and they are treated about the same.
PIP – amazingly adult versus almost all comers, as is usually the case. (And you’re so young – I wonder how that makes you feel.)
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I’d rather see the money go to charity than to some jerk with a camera.
Alexandra, right on!
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P.S. I’ve always loved me some Jennifer Aniston.
“You know, I wouldn’t trade my spiritual state with that of the likes of Brad and Angelina for all their millions and their fame. Why? Because in the blink of an eye, their souls could be required by God and then find themselves poor, naked, and wretched before the Creator of the Universe. They are in a very dangerous situation an don’t realize it. Money and fame have a way of doing that to people.”
Amen Hisman!!
The only reason for a religious marriage ceremony is if you really believe that you need the approval of a make-believe sky fairy.
The only reason for a civil marriage is if you need the various legal benefits and privileges that come with government recognition of your union.
Apparently these two need neither, and I think it’s a wonderful statement they’re making about the discrimination against gay couples. Kudos to both of them.
The problem is, you guys think that once they get married, they won’t break up as easily. In all honesty when it comes to celebrities there really isn’t much of a difference. They get divorces just as much as regular breakups, and they are treated about the same.
Posted by: prettyinpink at August 9, 2008 7:45 PM
Not really – I mean it IS hollywood. It’s just they are making a mockery of the whole thing. They are so “into” a family right now. But they’re both players and eventually they will get bored with one another. Since they have very secular and strange values, they will move on.
And Kudos the “wait until gay marriage is legalized” is a total sham. It fits in with the mantra of “we can’t get married until we have a house” or “we can’t get married until I am making $X”. I mean what ARE they going to use as an excuse – wait until they get Buckingham Palaace!
What a joke!
Patricia, it’s not a joke to take a stand in favor of marriage equality for everyone. Sure, it could be “just an excuse,” but since they don’t really need an excuse, let’s give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they’re making a stand on principle. One I agree with.
Hal, get the rest of the pro-aborts together and protest the bannination of PBA. Quit abortion all together until they legalize PBA in the US again!
Selling pictures of these children is just a disgusting example of the depraved culture of Hollywood celebrity. They would probably sell them all together if the price was right.
Truthseeker, you are too old to use the term “bannination”. Please for the sake of all that is good and sci-fi-ish, do not do it again.
I don’t care about PBA ban. Doesn’t bother me.
So is Brad and Angelina’s relationship somehow less serious then Brittney Spear’s 55 hour marriage?
I know this a little off topic but I saw this quote and really thought it should be here:
“Whoa, weird… I am currently read a book on conjoined twins – the ways in which the mutation occurs, the different ways they are joined, the myriad of problems and successes they can have. One thing that the author – who is part scientist and part philosopher – stresses is that these twins, be they human or animal, are not DEFORMED. They are DIFFERENTLY FORMED. If you believe in God and the whole ineffability thing, then these are not mutants or monsters or mistakes but just a demonstration of the vast variety of life that God can create. And, as a creation of God, they are beautiful.”
Patricia, it’s not a joke to take a stand in favor of marriage equality for everyone. Sure, it could be “just an excuse,” but since they don’t really need an excuse, let’s give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they’re making a stand on principle. One I agree with.
Posted by: hal at August 9, 2008 9:49 PM
There is already equality. All men and women are free to marry – each other just not the same sex, since it wouldn’t be marriage. Sorry Hal. You apply the same logic to marriage as you apply to abortion.
I see a dead baby in abortion you do not
I see marriage as between one man and one woman. You do not.
I live in reality and call things what they are. You do not.
What’s your point? Why do you go through life pretending? Must get awful tiresome.
who’s pretending. I see human rights and justice, fairness and compassion. I can understand being against abortion, but I’m truly unable to comprehend the anti-gay thread running through this site.
Neither can I Hal.
But hey, we’re just a couple of baby-killing liberals, what do we know about compassion, equality, and justice, right?
Kudos:
Please refrain from blashpeming God on this site or I’ll ask to have you banned.
And it’s not that God can’t defend Himself or hold you accountable for your foolishness in calling Him a sky-fairy. My friend, he could snuff you in the twinkling of an eye save for His infinite mercy and grace and desire for relationship with you.
It’s just that witnessing someone destroy themself is just so, so sad and so difficult to watch.
Rae:
You’ve got that right.
HisMan: And “God” apparently didn’t bestow you with the gift of understanding sarcasm.
So much for “intelligent design” there.
Truthseeker, you are too old to use the term “bannination”. Please for the sake of all that is good and sci-fi-ish, do not do it again.
Posted by: Rae at August 9, 2008 11:02 PM
You can’t banninate me. Only Jesus can.
Truthseeker, I wasn’t trying to “banninate” you, I was mocking you for using a term that you’re too old to use. Just like I berate my parents when they try to talk like teenagers. It’s embarrassing. Especially when you have a mother who asks you, “Do Canadians celebrate Christmas?”
The only reason for a religious marriage ceremony is if you really believe that you need the approval of a make-believe sky fairy.
Posted by: kudos at August 9, 2008 8:45 PM
Kudos, Just an FYI – Without the Holy Spirit joining two people together, their relationship is doomed. And the Holy Spirit wil not reside within one who mocks God.
I’m quite sure there are many non-doomed relationships whose participants have not invited the Holy Spirit to play a part. Including some gay couples.
“Truthseeker”, I want you to empirically prove that the Holy Spirit exists.
Because quite frankly I don’t want it existing in me without my express permission (should it exist), and if the best way to keep it out is to mock God, I can do that quite easily.
“Haha, God you have a big nose, neener-neener”.
That was easy.
Quit banninating your mother by remaining silent when she speaks in banninated terms about the bannination of Jesus that is going on in a country like Canada.
Rae:
I think you’re talking to yourself again.
I don’t get it- you guys don’t think they should get married because they wouldn’t do it “with God”–but at the same time, because they are living and making babies together, they are mocking the concept and therefore get married?
What do you guys want?
“Truthseeker”, what the hell are you talking about? My mom honestly had no idea that Canadians aren’t much different from Americans- she thought they were all Jewish or something- not Christian- hence the reason she asked.
Moron.
@HisMan: Says the man who talks to a magical sky-fairy in the vain hope said magical sky-fairy will actually give a crap about humanity and all its ills and magically make aborshun go away.
Rae:
It’s not God’s nose I would be worrying about if I were you.
In fact, when the Book of Hebrews calls God a consuming fire, well, I’d be worrying about that.
Oh, by the way, do you realize you have a bank account of wrath being stored up in your name to be reconciled when you appear before the Great White Throne of Judgement? Every time you sin or blashpeme God, well, a deposit is made. Don’t worry, He’s an excellent book keeper. I hear withdrawals are downright nasty. However, I understand the account can be canceled by the blood of Christ and your acceptance of Him as Lord and Savior. Don’t say you weren’t warned.
HisMan, fairy tales about doom and gloom and eternal hellfire do not scare me.
If there is a God, and what i say pisses him off then well, he should get thicker skin and get the hell over it. In lieu of that, I’ll accept my punishment.
However, I won’t hold my breath, so feel free to keep preaching about fire and brimstone and I’ll continue laughing at you because you believe in what was nothing more than early mind control of the masses utilized by those in charge.
Bravo, good sir. I look forward to more entertainment.
Now what level of Hell do you suppose I’m going to? The 5th or 6th level I think looks pretty good.
a….bank account…of wrath?
Rae, physicality is an empirical science. How can one emperically prove the existence of a spirit? You are right about me being old though. The day I came to realize that their is a spiritual warfare going on was a life changing evente for me. But not all of the spirits are holy, and driving the holy ones away is not a good idea. In fact the best reason to want the holy ones to reside in you is cause it is the only way to keep the evil ones away from you and your loved ones. It really changed my life and my behaviour and my awareness of others for the better.
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand, to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make
with the house of Israel: After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying KNOW the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Jeremiah 31:31-34.
@PiP: I wonder if God uses Garfield checks…I do, Garfield gives me the giggles.
or a “starry night” credit card?
“Truthseeker”, exactly. You can’t empirically prove the existence of a soul or spirits, or “demons”.
Therefore, they are irrelevant when you’re talking about the LEGAL right for two individuals to be “married” or civilly unioned (not even sure if that’s a verb, not sure of the verb for “getting a civil union”…unless that’s it).
So yes, gay couples CAN in fact be “married”, just not sacramentally, but legally they ought to be allowed…but the Church doesn’t have to recognize it.
@PIP: I have a tie-dyed check card. :D
I’m quite sure there are many non-doomed relationships whose participants have not invited the Holy Spirit to play a part. Including some gay couples.
Posted by: hal at August 10, 2008 1:40 AM
Time will tell Hal. My experience has been that relationships without God cannot last.
lol my debit card just has a pen writing a check on it.
“Truthseeker”, exactly. You can’t empirically prove the existence of a soul or spirits, or “demons”.
Therefore, they are irrelevant
Posted by: Rae at August 10, 2008 2:08 AM
Once you understand that they do exist, they are NEVER irrelevant.
“Truthseeker”, if you can’t prove they physically exist, then as far as I’m concerned, they don’t exist anymore than unicorns, mermaids, vampires, and werewolves do.
So that would make them “irrelevant” because they are NOT REAL.
And usually people who believe in things that are NOT REAL are usually locked up in these nice hospitals with padded walls…
I don’t get it- you guys don’t think they should get married because they wouldn’t do it “with God”–but at the same time, because they are living and making babies together, they are mocking the concept and therefore get married?
What do you guys want?
Posted by: prettyinpink at August 10, 2008 1:48 AM
pip, marriage, at least for me, is an internal thing that I chose to express outwardly through a sacramental ceremony in a church. I would say that in this case they should not marry just to marry because that type of marriage would be more superficial like everything else “Hollywood” and it would likely fail unless they made the internal commitment to sanctify their union (joined together by the Holy Spirit Rae).
“Truthseeker”, if you can’t prove they physically exist, then as far as I’m concerned, they don’t exist anymore than unicorns, mermaids, vampires, and werewolves do.
So that would make them “irrelevant” because they are NOT REAL.
Posted by: Rae at August 10, 2008 2:19 AM
Rae, do you think you have a spirit as part of what makes you a person, or do you think you just a physical being?
Oh YEAH, HAHa, there were people tonight handing out pamphlets, calling themselves “Jews for Jesus.” Priceless. It’s called “If Jesus is the Messiah….Why?”
My favorite: why don’t rabbis believe in him?
[my answer: because they are jewish.]
I’m just a physical being. Nothing more.
When I finally kick the bucket (preferably sooner, rather than later) I’ll cease to exist.
Say bye-bye to the swear words.
who’s pretending. I see human rights and justice, fairness and compassion. I can understand being against abortion, but I’m truly unable to comprehend the anti-gay thread running through this site.
Posted by: hal at August 10, 2008 12:27 AM
Gays are pretending. THey are pretending to be married. They cannot be married. It has nothing to do with justice, fairness and compassion. Believe me I believe same-sex attracted persons should be treated fairly with compassion and justice. However, my definition of marriage does not include same-sex couples. It is based on tradition and the fact that the sexes are created with complementarity which leads to the ability to be fully united physically. Same sex couples do not have this, nor can they ever have this. They were not created for this kind ofunion they were created to be with a person of the opposite sex.
Once again Hal it does depend upon your perspective. I view homosexuality as a treatable psycho-sexual disorder. You view it as normal behaviour. You have bought the lie just like you’ve bought the lie about abortion.
Neither can I Hal.
But hey, we’re just a couple of baby-killing liberals, what do we know about compassion, equality, and justice, right?
Posted by: Rae at August 10, 2008 12:31 AM
you said it, not me….
Undoubtedly, Brad and Angelina are devoted to their children but not to each other till death do they part.
So if they eventually married and just went through the ritual without the oath of commitment, then it would be better if they didn’t marry at all.
For all their fame and wealth, they and their children (sadly) are bankrupt without Christ as the Lord of their lives. The children are being taught a potluck of religions, depending on what region of the world they came from. Spiritually speaking, what mass confusion that home must be, but, unfortunately, they don’t know any better because God has not opened their heart yet to the Truth of who He is.
I wish we could have a fun weekend question every once in a while. Who’s your favorite visual artist? What’s one thing you wish you could do better? What’s next on your reading list? What’s your happiest memory?
Like the movie one from a few months ago! That one was cool.
Alexandra – agreed. Did you hear they’ve come out with new M&M’s?
LauraLoo I don’t think it’s that God has not opened their hearts.
I believe both Brad and Angelina are apostate Catholics (as are Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise). Knowing this, it appears they have chosen to reject God and definitely to misuse and abuse their sexuality and marriage. Faith is a gift and sometimes once rejected, it is not always given again.
I have read that Katie Holmes parents are deeply saddened by their daughter’s behaviour and Pitt’s parents were not impressed much by his behaviour either. Jon Voigt’s abandonment of Angelina and her mother has obviously affected them both immensely. Voight has admitted to this and has recognized that his daughter is a deeply disturbed woman.
God’s plan is that men and woman are made for each other and their unity within marriage is a mirror of the unity we achieve with him in Heaven.
I think Katie Holmes has been brainwashed. Tom Cruise is on his 3rd marriage (she’s his third). I thought it was mighty strange that she automatically accepted Scientology considering she was raised Catholic AND went to an All Girls School where she grew up. She just needs to break free and get away from Cruise before she’s caught in the web of lies of that false religion forever.
Liz: I read that Katie “disappeared” for 3 weeks after meeting Tom. Her friends and her family had no clue as to her wereabouts. However, I would have to say that she has admitted that her goal all along was to become Mrs. Cruise. So she got what she wanted, maybe just not the way she thought she would.
BTW, his second wife Nicole Kidman was also Catholic. Thank goodness he left her. She has apparently returned to the practice of her faith.
Pip, my husband’s Grandfather is a Messianic Jew. He’s not exactly a “Jew for Jesus” as they are a trinitarian sect and my grandfather in law is oneness.
There’s a great Messianic Jewish musician named Paul Wilbur who I *love*.
I don’t know a whole lot about the actual “Jews for Jesus” folks, but interpreting Jesus from a Jewish standpoint is really interesting and I think leads to a better understanding of God.
@ Patricia 9:06 AM
I agree with you that faith is a gift and that some people may enter into apostasy.
But what I believe is more likely with folks such as Brad and Katie is that they were never Christians in the first place. God knows His sheep and whom He has saved.
The third possibility is that they could be Christians who have backslidden from God for a stretch of time. The majority of those folks are sought after by the Holy Spirit and are reconciled with God.
We read testimonies of backslid ‘Christians’ such as Kings David and Solomon as they entered into all sorts of idolatry and the worshipping of other gods. Yet God called King David “a man after My own heart”. What a merciful and loving God we have – and how much hope that gives me in my own personal walk with Him!
PIP:
Yes, a bank account of wrath. People that mock and blaspheme God and laugh at Him are most pitiable.
Romans 2:5
But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
PIP:
Jesus was a Jew and was called “Rabbi” which simply means teacher.
The first Christians were all Jews.
The entire Bible was written by Jews including the New Testament.
What’s your point? Are you saying you can’t be a Jew and a Christian?
“Pip, my husband’s Grandfather is a Messianic Jew. He’s not exactly a “Jew for Jesus” as they are a trinitarian sect and my grandfather in law is oneness.
There’s a great Messianic Jewish musician named Paul Wilbur who I *love*.
I don’t know a whole lot about the actual “Jews for Jesus” folks, but interpreting Jesus from a Jewish standpoint is really interesting and I think leads to a better understanding of God.”
I really meant no disrespect, I wasn’t myself last night.
But, I wasn’t sure these were messianic jews. They didn’t dress any differently (aren’t they supposed to?) and they met at a church, and after Jews for Jesus there is a trademark sign. And the pamplet was really funny. Thats all :)
Also, I’m not sure you can be a Jew and a Christian. If you accept the New Testament, you accept the New Covenant, and you don’t do the old traditions anymore, and you don’t accept a lot of what the traditional Jewish faith says. And don’t a lot of Protestants say that all you need ot do is “accept Jesus as your personal savior” and you are a christian?
Truthseeker and Hisman, my apologies. I promise to take the mythology of a bunch of bronze age goat-herders more seriously at some point. Maybe next week…
HisMan, don’t you know wrath is one of the 7 deadly sins? And God repeatedly commits wrath with his little “bank accounts of wrath”?
What a flaming hypocrite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSVR94c0bqM
don’t you know wrath is one of the 7 deadly sins?
Hello, Rae. Can you please provide a verse from the Bible (KJV, preferably) that shows me that wrath is one of the 7 deadly sins? Also, can you provide verses that tell me what sins are NOT deadly?
Thank you. Much appreciated!
@Rae,
Hi again. Sorry, I forgot something. I’m not sure who you were calling a hypocrite (God or Hisman, due to your recents rants against my & your Savior), but don’t you think that one that disses God at practically every opportunity available, who also doesn’t believe in the self-proclaimed “fairy tale” would also be a hypocrite for posting something about sin and what God does or does not do?
I don’t believe that HisMan will be the hypocrite that will be “flaming”. With all due respect, Rae, I come here to read, and try really hard not to post. However, I am genuinely worried about your eternal soul. I have never, ever, in my 40 years of living, heard such vile things about God than the one’s that you have been posting lately. I know many atheists, and they even steer clear of the things you posted. I don’t know if you’re just doing it for attention, or you truly believe theses things. I hope it’s for attention.
Rae, please….can you PLEASE just put as much time as you do studying for school into studying God’s Word? Please don’t just read His word, study it. I think you’ll be pleasantly surpised! As HisMan stated on the cartoon thread, time is running out. I believe this will all of my heart. You are not guaranteed one more day here on earth. You were put here to make a choice for where you want to spend your eternity. Please, take the time to study it…PLEASE RAE!?!?!?!?!?
JLM,
watch that music video ;)
PIP,
OK. I did. Why did you want me to watch it?
Isn’t it great!
I thought it was entertaining
JLM, you obviously didn’t catch that I was being “mocking”, and that I was being ironic and sarcastic with the whole “wrath is a deadly sin, and if God has a bank account of wrath then He [meaning God] is a hypocrite”.
I really wouldn’t call what I’ve been posting “vile”. Trust me, I’ve seen worse, thought worse, and typed worse elsewhere. Though I will tell you I usually only type that crap for “shock value”, and my desire to be a PIA than out of really believing it.
You see, I have this nasty little talent- I’m very good at figuring out what’s important to people and then mocking it mercilessly in order to hurt them before they hurt me (whether they’re truly a threat or not). Sometimes, I do it just out of spite or general mean-spiritedness for fun because it amuses me…because I’m a bad person. This is something most people refuse to see in me- that I am in fact a bad person. And I am hoping that *now* people see that.
Of course I’m not guaranteed another day on earth- nobody is. Quite frankly though, I hope my time here on earth is short…I look forward to not existing but I haven’t offed myself yet because I do not want to hurt my parents.
“Yes, but Eileen, if you’re not doing it for religious reasons, then why do you need to tell the community that you’re making a commitment to your partner? I can see why people do, but I also don’t understand why people don’t think that “telling the community about their commitment” is vital.”
Posted by: Alexandra at August 9, 2008 1:37 PM
I think that it is for the good of society as a whole; the family is the foundation block of a stable society. A man and woman publicly state their commitment — it is a witness of fidelity to each other and to children that might result from their union. Responsible citizenship indirectly is an effect of this union “made public”. When people come together without a serious commitment, there is a lack of stability and potential chaos. People can say whatever they want about a marriage certificate being a “piece of paper” but when it comes right down to it: those who don’t make that commitment either in a church or in front of a justice of the peace are basically saying that their situation is fine for the time being and when they get bored or tired of it then they can leave.
Rae,
In the Name of JESUS CHRIST I command that the demons that dwell in you leave this instant.
In Jesus’ name….
I’m just a physical being. Nothing more.
When I finally kick the bucket (preferably sooner, rather than later) I’ll cease to exist.
Posted by: Rae at August 10, 2008 2:38 AM
Rae,
What about before you kick the bucket? Isn’t it likely that a part of your physical being, at least while you are physically living, is a spiritual being? So your ignorance of the spiritual realm is in fact hurting you because it leads you to to your childish rebellion against holiness. Neener neener neener, Rae is childish…Neener, neener, neener..Rae is childish…
I banninate your childishness banninating of all that is Holy in this bannination.
JLM, exorcisms are so 1973. Seriously.
No, Truthseeker, there is no spiritual being. It is very UN-likely that there is a spiritual being (I’d go as far to say it’s impossible, but nothing is truly impossible, just very, very, very, highly, unlikely).
I’m not rebelling against anything Truthseeker, can’t rebel against that which doesn’t exist.
*cue tubular bells*
Rae,
Nope. Held true a couple of thousand years ago, and still does today, and always will…
John 15:7
(Jesus said)
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Rae,
And this one…
John 14:14 (Jesus said)
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
But don’t you see JLM? There are no demons. Demons do not make me the way I am.
I am the way I am because I choose to be this way. I chose a long time ago (for whatever reason) that I want to be a petulant, vengeful, arrogant, witch. It’s nobody’s fault by my own that I’m this way, don’t make it otherwise.
Rae @ 2:24,
You see, I have this nasty little talent- I’m very good at figuring out what’s important to people and then mocking it mercilessly in order to hurt them before they hurt me (whether they’re truly a threat or not). Sometimes, I do it just out of spite or general mean-spiritedness for fun because it amuses me…because I’m a bad person. This is something most people refuse to see in me- that I am in fact a bad person. And I am hoping that *now* people see that.
Of course I’m not guaranteed another day on earth- nobody is. Quite frankly though, I hope my time here on earth is short…I look forward to not existing but I haven’t offed myself yet because I do not want to hurt my parents.
You would hurt your parents terribly and I’m sure many others as well. Please don’t talk like that! Why would you want us to think you are bad? We certainly aren’t out to hurt you so you don’t need to be on the defensive either.
Rae,
I have faith in Jesus and His Word, and I asked and it HAS BEEN DONE!
In Jesus’ name.
There is so much power in the name of Jesus.
JLM, by constantly repeating the name Jesus over and over again to me you are not in anyway “saving my soul”.
Just because you say something enough doesn’t make it true. I mean I could keep repeating to myself that Darren Hayes is actually straight over and over and that one day he’ll marry me, but that’s a waste of my time because a) he’s not straight and b) repeating my wishes over and over again doesn’t make something true.
“John 14:14 (Jesus said)
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.”
I asked Jesus to make my HPV to go away but he didn’t.
He said if we ask anything in his name he will do it.
Rae,
Start looking for a change in your life. It’s going to happen.
The difference, here, is that I said something in the powerful name of Jesus Christ…you are saying something to yourself.
I’m serious, though…you’re going to see a change & soon!
“Quite frankly though, I hope my time here on earth is short…I look forward to not existing but I haven’t offed myself yet because I do not want to hurt my parents.”
Rae,
Please don’t talk like that. You have so much going for you. and many people who love you.
Jess,
Maybe you missed something here…
John 15:7
(Jesus said)
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
JLM,
what did you say you try not to post here? we miss your posts..
“First Celestial Bank of Wrath.”
HAHA
Rae, you have made this so interesting. Love it. And I too pine for Darren Hayes, and my gay colorist.
So, here’s my question, and I probably don’t want to know the answer. I’m Jewish and engaged to a Catholic. Will our marriage not be sanctified? We both believe there is a God, but as a Jew (here’s the clarification from up there), I don’t believe in Jesus as the Messiah. And on that note please no one tell me I need to accept Jesus, as I have religion in my life and I’m pleased with it. I only brought this up to ask that question above about my marriage.
Ataris,
At the time the bible was written the term “slave” meant what we would call today basically an indentured servant. It did not refer to an entire group of people who were discriminated against because of the color of their skin or something like that.
“I asked Jesus to make my HPV to go away but he didn’t.
He said if we ask anything in his name he will do it.”
Jess,
Jesus/God sometimes allows things to happen, we don’t exactly why, but we will find out in Heaven where there is no disease, suffering, crying or death.
Hi Common Sense. I’m happy to answer your question about your marriage, but I”m not sure what you mean by “sanctified.” Since your finance is Catholic, as far as the Catholic Church is concerned, your marriage will be a valid marriage (assuming this is your and your finance’s first marriage modulo any annulments). If you aren’t baptized, then it will be what is called a natural marriage. By sanctified, did you mean will it be a sacramental marriage? Since you are not baptized, it would not be a sacramental marriage. But it is valid, so yeah, it should be good.
Hi common sense
I have a question for you. Have you and your fiance agreed to raise the children Catholic? If you are to be married in the Catholic Church this will be a requirement. I suggest you give this considerable thought, especially if your faith is significant to you.
Jasper,
Awwww, that was sweet! (you’re probably the only one, too, btw!)
Here’s the thing about us: we’re more spiritual than outwardly religious, and it’s hard to explain- we both try to be good, honorable people and believe in a higher power, and we celebrate holidays, but sort of leave it at that. We’re looking at our future in a more logistical sense- my dad is paying for our wedding, so it will be a Jewish wedding. My fiance knows how important it is for me to have a Jewish wedding, and have Jewish children, so that’s the plan. He’s in the Navy and I’m giving up a lot to follow him around the country, so he thinks it’s fair to let me pick the religion because a) he picks the locale! and b) it just isn’t that important to him. I’m also fine with raising them without religion- I don’t think you have to be affiliated with any religion org. to be a good person, and that’s what I want of my children first and foremost- to be good, tolerant, accepting people. Does that make any sense?
Pip, My belief is that while you are no longer held to law for salvation, you are still held to it as a follower of Christ.
Does that make sense?
We still do shabbat not because we *have* to for salvation, but because it is communion with God.
As for being a “Jew for Jesus”. There are people of Jewish descent who now profess Christ as savior, but still maintain their Jewish heritage. I *think* that this is where J4J comes into play. However, there are certain Christians who may or may not be of Jewish decent who believe we should be observant of Old Testament holidays/rituals to the extent that we can be w/out the new temple.
I hope that clears things up a little.
“Quite frankly though, I hope my time here on earth is short…I look forward to not existing but I haven’t offed myself yet because I do not want to hurt my parents.”
Oh Raem I used to feel just like this. In fact, it is so strange because I didn’t even realize that I wasn’t depressed anymore until I was reading the writings of someone dealing with depression and I realized that I no longer identified with it.
I still have major anxiety issues (they’re almost funny except for the fact that they are so hard for me to overcome) but I finally realized that I’m no longer in the very depths of depression. Even when I was really, really low after my second miscarriage, I was able to keep going.
I know it sounds trite if you haven’t experienced it, but honestly, the Holy Spirit is what has delivered me from the depression. For the first time in my life I’m a ble to be on my own without something to distract me and *not* have horrible thoughts flooding my mind.
I know that you can’t see it right now, but you life has so much value. I know that you probably don’t want to/don’t believe it will help, but please ask God to deliver you from the depression. If you truly ask with the expectation that it will b e done, you will be amazed with the results.
It might not happen overnight, but my prayer is that you too will be able to come to a point where you realize that you are no longer depressed.
lauren,
makes sense.
haha Rae I love you so much =)
Did any e-demons come out of your head after you got e-exorcismziesd through the internet? Do you think that could be offered as a service? $99.99 for a one time e-exorcism, payable by cash or check from The First National Bank of Wrath?
Rae,
Start looking for a change in your life. It’s going to happen.
The difference, here, is that I said something in the powerful name of Jesus Christ…you are saying something to yourself.
I’m serious, though…you’re going to see a change & soon!
Posted by: JLM at August 10, 2008 3:09 PM
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It kinda looses the drama when you mutter incantations without placing your hand on the victims head and knock them to the floor JLM.
Rae? Did you go into convulsions and start speaking in tongues around 3PM?
JLM, I’ve heard that you don’t really know if Satan isn’t in possesion of your body unless you can play with a rattler and not get bitten. Have you passed the test?
Clearly my last comment was uncalled for. Sorry, apparently.
One thing, though, @Amanda :: Its The First Celestial Bank of Wrath ;)
On a more serious side. None of you should be trying to force and of your religious things on Rae. Did ‘God’ not give us free will for a reason? You know, that ‘free will’ thing that lets us make choices for ourselves?
Maybe that just me.
Watch my free will in action:
If I didn’t have free will, I shouldn’t type this.
And for those of you who say that maybe the hand of God was directing me I say this: That means he wants Rae to be here, saying what she is saying too!
and God knew what was going to happen before the Universe was even created.
Rae:
I believe you meant to use anger and not wrath when quoting the 7 deadly sins. By the way, I think that was a mam made philosphy and not a scriptural quote. All sin results in death.
You forget that God’s wrath or anger is justifiable. Why? Well, because he’s perfect and we’re the sinners.
If you want to know the truth I suggest you do a word study on anger and wrath and then about the nature of God.
But to just blaspheme and insult God and me over and over again, well, that’s just foolish and meaningless and inidicative of your extreme immaturity. Besides every time you do this, your soul dies a little bit more.
Please choose life.
Yes Hal, God is omniscient and we’re not so we’re going through the motions you see because God has infinite integrity. So what does God know about you Hal that you don’t know? I guess you’ll be finiding out.
Ataris, lol I don’t think we can “force” anyone to believe anything.
I mean, yeah we might be able to hold a gun to someone’s head and say “say this or I’ll kill you!’ but we still can’t make them mean it.
As for God’s plan…you’re right maybe God does want you here, for you.
Warning someone about the truth is different than forcing someone to believe it.
I don’t see anyone on this site coercing or forcing Rae to believe anything. What is so puzzling is the outrage that is expressed at one’e hearing of the truth.
However, one’s denial of the truth does not change the truth, despite all the immature temper tantrums.
I think the reason people tend to rebel against the truth is that they know deep down inside that it is the truth and it actually requires a distortion of one’s will to believe a lie or deny the truth. Somehow, this process results in anger and resentment and bitterness similar to the reactions we see on this site; blasphemy, name calling, etc. I mean you can tell a dog the truth all you want but it will never be able to understand or comprehend what you’re talking about. Not so with a person.
And nobody is forcing me to do anything. I’m not expressing any outrage, dear HisMan. What you fail to understand is that I’m doing this on purpose- every word I say I say it on purpose to annoy YOU not because I actually believe half the crap I say.
I am choosing to act this way to be *annoying* and *obnoxious*.
I don’t *care* if there is a heaven or a hell. I don’t *care* where I go when I die, mostly because I don’t really think there is an afterlife. If I go to Hell, whatever, I go to Hell. If I don’t, I don’t. I don’t concern myself with something that is little more than a myth (to me) used to scare people into behaving.
Good for you Rea, hang in there
Rae:
I just try to speak the truth. What people do with it is not my responsibility.
Seems to me you have no vision or dream and are perishing as a result.
There’s gotta be something that you want to do or accomplish. Try to find it and life will reawaken in your life.
What are you posoitive talents?
And Hal, you are such an enabler. I really wish you’d change your attitude, it’s been rather negative lately. Perhaps you’re sensing that Obama is a loser?
Do you think it is a good or bad idea to sell photos of one’s children, even if the money goes to charity?
[HT: proofreader Laura Loo]
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Is someone offering money for pictures of your children? Didn’t think so. Envy isn’t moral now is it?
OK, Rae…have you succeeded now in getting the attention you so desperately crave? We’ve all heard you. You can take your ball and go home now.
Sally @ 12:13,
No. No.
And Hal, you are such an enabler. I really wish you’d change your attitude, it’s been rather negative lately. Perhaps you’re sensing that Obama is a loser?
Posted by: HisMan at August 10, 2008 11:36 PM
I hardly think it’s negative to say “good for you Rae, hang in there.” I’m offering support to a young woman who seems to be in some pain. She’s getting terrible advice from you and others, yet she’s making a lot of sense.
I’m not worried at all about the election. I can’t wait, actually. Sure, anything can happen, but I’m optimistic.
: Anonymous was me (toby). sorry.
Hal, as much as I adore Toby, I have to say you don’t remind me of him at all! I picture you as being something of a straight Oscar. Thoroughly normal and likable, and calm. And baffled — but rarely actually bothered — by the way some people treat you like an object to be studied, just because you differ from them in some ways.
Oscar is also the owner of perhaps my favorite Office quote ever: “Aside from having sex with men, I would say the Finer Things Club is the gayest thing about me.”
Thanks Alexandra. I am pretty normal and calm.
I am pretty normal and calm.
Posted by: Hal at August 11, 2008 11:07 AM
your opinion! lol
well, calm anyway.
“Normal” is a setting on my washing machine.
I’d like to apologize for my poor behavior the last few days. I haven’t been myself due to being on painkillers for an injury I suffered late last week.
I will try to do better and work on controlling my impulses better when high as a kite on Vicodin.
Cheers.
You forget that God’s wrath or anger is justifiable. Why? Well, because he’s perfect and we’re the sinners.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAA!!! That’s pretty funny. I really hope you meant that as a joke, because it truly is a hilariously ironic statement when you unpack it a little.
Rae,
No problem. Hope you are feeling better, get lots of rest!
Rae,
If you take drugs to the point where they cause you to act out against others then you should stop taking them. For a long time I did and figured it was MY perogative since it was MY body. Once I saw that it has the potential to effect others negatively I stopped.
Truthseeker: I dislocated my elbow last week. It was and still is very painful- I needed the Vicodin so I wouldn’t be bawling at all hours of the day from the pain.
Rae, dayum – that sounds painful as all get-out.
Dislocated shoulders and hips, sure, yeah, but I’d never even heard of a dislocated elbow.
Doug, you should get a facebook account. Then you can see pics of her elbow! It looks cooler than you think!