Judgment days
It is 6 days after the election, and my sorrow persists, if not deepens. Maybe I’m depressed. I look around and can only sense impending doom. I don’t know how people can smile, how life is just going on.
There is no way God would have allowed Barack Obama to become president were He not finally turning us over to judgment(s), to whatever great or lesser extent that will be.
I sat in my mother’s church yesterday and was surprised to feel anger that the worship leader smiled and sang the same songs as ever, as if life didn ‘t drastically change last week, as if the Church itself weren’t indicted by the election of Barack Obama.
Then my eye caught a teen with Down syndrome coming late to service with his mother, sitting down the row from me….
And he immediately began to sing, and his face was so ecstatic, and he was looking heavenward and air-playing guitar with the band, and I began to cry… pretty hard. Hadn’t done that yet. But alas, here I go again, crying. I cried through the entire song service, and then I started up again when I ran after the boy after service to meet him and tell him how much I appreciated his love of God. His Mom thanked me, saying she always worried Eric might be a distraction. It was so opposite of that for me. Eric reminded me of Jesus and the coming joy and why I fight abortion and why I am so sad, all rolled up in one kid. I could only murmer, “Oh, no,” and cry harder. Just like now, crying harder.
I’m not a big follower of preacher and prophet Dutch Sheets. I’ve read his stuff from time to time and agreed with it, but I’m not a prophecy-focused Christian. Rather, I’m a skeptic. But I read Dutch Sheets’ analysis of the election a couple days ago and agreed with it, although it deepens the pain I feel. Dutch is right. I weep for Jerusalem.
Sheets’ thoughts follow. Or read it on the site here. Click to enlarge…
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
What happens if none of this comes true Jill? What if the economy gets better, there are no large scale natural disasters and conflict in the Middle east and around the world calms down? Then what?
I really enjoyed your post. Our son was diagnosed with esophageal atresia and down syndrome he is such a true blessing from god. He is are little miracle.
Then we thank God for his mercy, Jess.
“During his seven and a half years in office, President Bush has declared 422 major disasters — severe storms, tornadoes, wildfires and floods — or more than one a week. That is 11 percent more than President Bill Clinton’s disaster declarations and 130 percent more than President Ronald Reagan during their full two terms in office.
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All those natural disasters translate into more federal government spending. Under Mr. Bush, the government has committed to spend $87 billion in disaster relief money to help states and localities clean up after floods, fires and storms, compared with Mr. Clinton’s nearly $29 billion. Even after adjusting for inflation, the Bush administration has spent 2.5 times more than the Clinton administration on disaster relief.
Governors can petition the president to declare a state or region a disaster. If granted, that results in the release of emergency relief money, which can be used to repair roads, assist with other repairs and defray emergency costs. When a state applies for aid, the Federal Emergency Management Agency dispatches a team to conduct a damage estimate. Washington usually covers at least 75 percent of the total cost and the state provides the rest. Individual assistance may be made available to homeowners as well, with a cap of $28,800 per household.
Of the $87 billion obligated under the Bush administration, $36 billion is from cleaning up after Hurricane Katrina in 2005, the costliest natural disaster on United States soil. An additional $4 billion went toward Hurricane Rita’s aftermath, which also occurred in 2005. Even excluding that $40 billion commitment, Mr. Bush outspent each of his predecessors on disaster aid. The figures do not include disaster loans.
One explanation, though highly contentious, for why the country has been more disaster prone under Mr. Bush is global warming. Most scientists agree that greenhouse gases are heating up the earth’s atmosphere but most generally agree that no single weather-related disaster can be attributed to climate change with certainty.
While most experts say they cannot correlate the rise in the number of disaster declarations with global warming, they accept that the trend will continue, and that that means a growing cache of federal tax dollars will need to be diverted to help states cope. Others offer alternative explanations, including that Mr. Bush’s disaster relief decisions have been politically motivated, either to help Republican governors or to shield him from the kind of criticism he received for his handling of Hurricane Katrina.
By acting quickly to declare disasters, presidents “can shine, or they can look to be out of touch or inconsiderate of the suffering of others,” said Steve Ellis, vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a watchdog group that monitors federal spending. He added: “One of the other ways they can show they care is with the taxpayers’ checkbook. They’re quick to open it, especially when it gets into the papers or cable news.”
But in the case of Mr. Bush, the numbers do not support this view. In each year after Hurricane Katrina, the White House did not declare as many disasters as it did in 2004.”
http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/bush-declared-422-major-disasters-so-far-during-presidency/
So I guess if there is a spike in natural disasters it would be because of global warming and the fact that the Republicans ignored it for so long?
Its possible that God allowed this to happen because it might be time for the Second Coming. Who knows, but the Economy getting fixed better be the first priority. Wasting tax payers money on UNPROVEN research would be a BIG mistake.
I think we need to remember that 46% of this country voted for John McCain. Hopefully, God will grant us mercy because of this. We can feel down, but let us not let our faith be shaken. We still have to battle it out, and make our voices heard in the coming months. Let us all go to Washington, and take to the streets.
http://www.goveg.com/ffAndEnviro.asp
“Factory farms pollute the air and the water for many miles in every direction, often spreading contamination and illness to the people who live and work nearby. A synopsis of a Senate Agricultural Committee report on farm pollution issued this warning about animal waste: “[I]t’s untreated and unsanitary, bubbling with chemicals and diseased organisms. … It goes onto the soil and into the water that many people will, ultimately, bathe in and wash their clothes with and drink. It is poisoning rivers and killing fish and making people sick. … Catastrophic cases of pollution, sickness, and death are occurring in areas where livestock operations are concentrated.”
If you guys really wanted to help the enviorment you would go vegetarian. Of course you probably think going vegetarian is evil so…
But what about the six women who miscarried due to improper disposal of pig feces at a factory farm? With so many animals crammed into small spaces there’s no way their waste can be properly disposed of. So that’s six dead babies. Six dead kids that could be alive today but people couldn’t live without their cheap sausages and hot dogs. Was that hot dog worth six dead babies?
Guys…again, you know I love you…but come ON. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Just because he has ONE view you disagree on doesn’t mean he’s going to destroy the world. The man isn’t even in office yet. CALM DOWN.
http://www.meat.org/
If anyone is brave enough to watch this (which I doubt any of the Republicans on here are) then I have to ask, how do you even begin to think that this is healthy? You’re eating something that lives in it’s own excrement. Most of our countries problems can be traced to the meat industry. But of course it’s easier to just throw the blame around rather then stop being so slovenly and gluttonous.
Humans have survived a long history of catastrophes and corrupt governments. The people of the 14th century would laugh in the faces of people who consider a mere election an absolute end-of-the-world disaster. Calm down, everything will be fine.
Erin, Jordan, I’m calm. I’m mourning, but I’m calm. Please don’t patronize me.
Jess, whatever.
more than one view, Erin.
1) abortion (tax payer funded, overseas funds, and giving money to groups that promote forced abortion in China/the one child policy))
2)ESCR
3) More Contraception sex ed to children.
4) Human cloning experimentation
5) condoms to fight AIDS when Abstinence, Be Faithful and Condoms as a last resort has worked in a few African countries.
“I think we need to remember that 46% of this country voted for John McCain. Hopefully, God will grant us mercy because of this.”
Or in spite of this.
Anyway, I imgaine the abortion rate will go down a bit, the economy will improve a bit, but basically, things will stay pretty much the same.
Jess, no one thinks being a vegitarian is evil. Though if the entire world became vegitarians we would have to kill off animals in order to maintain safety.
I grew up in Colorado. I used to be against hunting. Then, during a year in which weather conditions prevented many from hunting, we hit a deer and an elk in a mountain passage. The police officer told us that because of slow hunting that year, they had had a sharp increase in accidents.
The ecosystem depends on someone at the top. If we eliminate predetors, the prey population will grow out of control.
Now as for the women who had miscarriages because of the pig farm, that is indeed tragic and now that we are aware of the issue, every measure should be taken to prevent it from happening again. However, it is not as though anyone could have possibly forseen such a reaction and thus it is disingenous to blame some individual for eating a hotdog for the deaths of the children.
if Universal Health Care is implemented, guess who gets “Served” first? Cancer Patients? Probably not (look at what happened to that Oregon woman whose insurance wouldn’t pay for her drug she needed, but offered to pay for assisted suicide). Families with children that have medical issues? Probably not. Women who want multiple abortions? Yup. And who pays for them? Tax Payers!
BTW, I doubt that the economy can’t grow if small businesses are taxed to death, either.
I was bummed for a while too, but I am feeling better, which began with a private lovely note from one of our fellow pro-choicers. I also read a really great quote about God’s providence a couple nights ago (not in relation to the elections; it was written in the 1940s), but it really gave me a lot of hope and trust in the Lord. I”ll post that quote when I get home tonight, because I think others will find it inspiring as well. It helps put things in perspective.
No Lauren people think there would be too many animals but that’s not true. Right now in factory farms animals are force breed, they aren’t allowed to breed naturally, they’re forced to breed as often as possible. Cows for instance, their calves are taken away much too soon so the cows and be breed as soon as possible. If we just let nature take it’s course there would be a lot less of these animals. It’s like IVF, or fertility drugs. Humans don’t naturally or normally have say, 7 or 8 children each pregnancy but with human intervention they are able to.
Calling an election a sign of the end-times seems pretty hysterical to me, even in a mournful tone. Same with the ‘disaster rate’- I’m sure the 14th-century people subject to continent-wide famine and plagues that eliminated over 1/3 of the total population would outweigh that, easily.
Well Lauren I guess you would have a bigger deer and elk problem if people were running around artificially impregnating them. My problem here is with factory farms.
BTW, I doubt that the economy can’t grow if small businesses are taxed to death, either.
Posted by: LizFromNebraska at November 10, 2008 12:28 PM
I agree. But raising taxes 3% on the portions of profits over $250,000 is hardly “taxing to death.”
Yes, Jess we sure are taking the easy way out. It’s easy to stand in the gap and defend life when everyone in the public eye says that you’re evil. It’s easy to stand on a street corner and beg for the life of a child being spit on and ridiculed.
It’s easy to lose your job for standing up for those without a voice. It’s easy to mourn for those you will never know because their own parents decided that they would be better off dead.
It’s easy to come on here day after day and try to reach out to the hardened hearts because you genuinely care about them, even when they are snarky, blasphemous, or just down right mean.
Don’t patronize us, Jess. Being a pro-lifer is anything but easy.
Let’s not forget the Native American and Alaskin population that have been slaughtered by Europeans and now have dwindling populations.
Let’s not forget our Jewish population who have been subject to insanely bad treatment for centuries. If the holocaust was not considered and end-times ‘disaster’ on par with Obama’s election, I don’t know what is!
Jess, I agree that we could all do w/ less factory farming, but without any consumers the populations will get out of hand even without artificial intervention.
No one is going out and impregnating the deer population, but it still gets out of hand when hunting is sparse. The same would happen if meat markets were totally frozen.
Ok Lauren imagine everyone you know walks around killing babies and eating them in front of you. I am the only vegetarian I know in real life. Are you the only pro-lifer you know?
At least pro-choicers don’t mount dead babies on their walls and tell you that you will die a slow and painful death if you don’t have an abortion. You don’t have a bunch of Christians telling you God gave you babies to abort.
I disagree with alot of his views, his tax plan and healthcare, but abortion is by far the most important!
While I’m not happy with the outcome of the election I am wondering if McCain would have been elected the tendency to become complacent in the pro-life cause would have been great. I am being prayerfully optimistic that with this election our passion will only increase and we hold our ground and share our knowledge. We have to be the voice of truth and keep repeating ourselves. I am also praying for a conversion of heart on the pro-life issue from our president elect. I’ve just added him to my list along with abortion providers that their eyes and hearts are opened to the truth. With God all things are possible!
Jess, have you ever heard of the Dionne sisters? They were 5 born to one mother in one single birth,(without fertility drugs as there were none). This was in Canada in the 1930s. It CAN happen, but most multiple births are due to fertility drugs.
I remember when the McCaughey’s were born and the parents were telling how they were encouraged to “selective reduce” and they were very angry their doctor suggested this, as the father pointed out later, they would have lost the son they considered “hercules” named Kenny, Jr, who was basically helping the other babies stay inside, “holding them up” you could say. They and the Diley sextuplets were conceived with the help of fertility drugs.
Lauren,
Why don’t we pass animal cruelty laws to be just as strict on factory farms as it is with dog and cat owners? Why is it still legal to give animals antibiotics to make up for bad treatment and wonder why we are having problems keeping up with the evolutionary arms race?
Jess is partly right. We don’t have to give up meat, but we need to start treating our food better. I for one only buy meat that is hormone and antibiotic free, organic and free range. IT’s not that much more expensive and tastes a whole lot better too!
I believe the church has failed in this election because so many are not grounded in sound theology. Dutch is right though. We, as in the church, have become desensitized to abortions. There is a disconnect within the church when it comes to the reality of the preborn life. You can really see this disconnect when someone in the church has a miscarriage and gets treated as if she didn’t actually lose a child. I don’t think we’re even conscious of it though. I know of some Christians who are praising God for Obama’s win. Seriously.
I’m not American but I’m greiving with you. It felt like a knife in the heart…but God has not forgotten His people or the preborn children.
We all need to be praying for Obama that he will see the goodness God has imparted to him and repent. That he will have his eyes opened to the sobering truth that to whom much is given, much is expected.
God bless you.
Awesome. Why we need vegetarians,
“Factory farms pollute the air and the water for many miles in every direction, often spreading contamination and illness to the people who live and work nearby. A synopsis of a Senate Agricultural Committee report on farm pollution issued this warning about animal waste: “[I]t’s untreated and unsanitary, bubbling with chemicals and diseased organisms. … It goes onto the soil and into the water that many people will, ultimately, bathe in and wash their clothes with and drink. It is poisoning rivers and killing fish and making people sick. … Catastrophic cases of pollution, sickness, and death are occurring in areas where livestock operations are concentrated.”
We have to use fertilizer manure to nourish organic veges. Just remember that organic veges are raised on manure from feedlots that raise my steaks.
Vegetarians can’t use nitrogen from petrochem plants.
Also remember we use guns and go hunting/ shootin. Our birds poop on your organic crop gardens. That is why birds sing in the morning. they celebrate flying over organic crops.
Lauren factory farming is only about 100 years old. Please tell me, was the world over run with cows and pigs and chickens before there was factory farming?
jess, I do understand that. However, what I don’t understand is how you can have such passion and ferver for the rights of animals, yet be apathetic at best for the rights of preborn humans.
I understand you probaby feel the same way about us, but in reverse.
The way I view humans eting meat is that we are simply an animal at the top of the food chian. Now, I will agree with you that we do not need nearly the amount of meat that we consume. In fact, I just got a copy of my World Vision magazine that said that just cutting out our meat consumption by one meal a week would significantly help developing countries because it would lesson our demand for feeding crops.
Oddly enough, it said that biodiseal is also having a negative impact on the world economy by inflating the price of corn. I think that we should evalutate our actions in terms of our impact on our world.
Ever hear of compost xppc? Yeah animals poop outside, and nature can usually take care of it, filter the waste through the soil, etc. But if one bird poops in your yard does that mean it’s fine if someone drops a few tons of poop there too?
Jess, those animals created on factory farms now exist. 100 years ago animal populations and human popluations were balanced, now the animal population is grossly inflated. I suppose we could simply kill all the excess animals and regain balance, but killing the animals to prevent the animals from being killed doesn’t seem like a logical solution.
Well Lauren all those unborn babies have you standing up for them, the animals have me. There. Now they both have someone.
Those babies also have Jill, Bobby, Hisman, Jasper, xppc, Liz…
Jordon, didn’t an anti animal cruelty law just pass in CA that affected chickens?
I think animals should be treated with the dignity afforded to all of God’s creation. While I believe that we do fall into the ecosystem as omnivors, I don’t think we should be treating live-stock with cruelty.
Jess…
“No Lauren people think there would be too many animals but that’s not true.”
Here in Ontario, Canada, we’ve had a serious problem with bears since the cancellation of the spring bear hunt.
We could just not let them breed them as much Lauren. Keep the males and females separated.
My hamster doesn’t have any children. I was thinking he could go on a date with my friends hamster, see where it went you know, and if they liked each other they could get married and have babies but it never worked out. The others hamsters Mom thought she wasn’t ready for that kind of commitment.
Jess, I’m sure you could find an anti-animal cruelty site where you would find lots of other people standing up for the animals.
Desley I’m talking about factory farming not hunting. Again, is there anyone who goes into the woods and artificially inseminates the bears?
Jess, we could keep them from breeding, but that doesn’t do anything for the ones that are already here.
You know, I’ve been thinking a lot about going Pescatarian lately, Jess. I just have this problem where I hate pretty much all vegetables, and tofu, so I’m not sure if I’d be able to keep myself healthy. Any advice?
Jill, now you may have some idea of how we on the left have felt after the past two presidential elections.
In our case, the dire predictions came true, as evidenced by the current state of our economy and our standing in world opinion, not to mention places like New Orleans, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Somehow I don’t think things will in turn go the way that you all who have painted Obama as a baby-eating (remember that lovely cartoon you posted?) antichrist have prophesied, but only time will tell. Perhaps we’ll all have to compare notes in four years to find out.
I will say this about the election: I volunteered for Dan Seals and Obama in Chicago’s NW suburbs that day. The Republicans I saw almost universally had scowling looks on their faces, frequently directed at me, despite my friendly demeanor. I heard things spat out like “communist” and “socialist” from otherwise rational people, and I couldn’t help but think that they must have drank some awfully bitter kool-aid. Meanwhile, Dems were all smiles, happy to have such an exciting and historic candidate to vote for.
We made history on November 4. Though you may think it was for worse, the majority of the electorate, and of the world, seems to think it was for the better. Whatever it is, it can’t possibly be worse than the last 8 years. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
Lauren if we stopped breeding them people would eat them and there wouldn’t be any to replace them and that would be the end of factory framing. I don’t know, we could send them to people starving in Africa, I’m sure they’d appreciate the cow.
Yay Erin! Here’s a website I like: http://fatfreevegan.com/
Of course as you know I am poor so I sometimes substitute some ingredients for generic ones, it’s basically good to just give you some ideas. Also, I love Italian and Mexican food basically because it’s so easy to substitute meat with vegetables. You just sneak them in there, no big deal! I don’t know how you feel about eggplant, but you can take the chicken and veal out of any Italian meal and substitute it with eggplant. Or zucchini works too. With Mexican you can substitute meat with beans, even when you go to Taco Bell, you can order your favorite meal and just say, “beans instead of meat.”
So I guess if there is a spike in natural disasters it would be because of global warming and the fact that the Republicans ignored it for so long?
Posted by: Jess at November 10, 2008 12:07 PM
global warming is a myth.
My bro’s a meterologist and virtually NO self-respecting meterologist believes in global warming.
In fact the current thinking is that we will be entering a cool weather phase.
Desley: where roughly in Ontario, north or south are you located?
http://www.meat.org/
If anyone is brave enough to watch this (which I doubt any of the Republicans on here are) then I have to ask, how do you even begin to think that this is healthy? You’re eating something that lives in it’s own excrement. Most of our countries problems can be traced to the meat industry. But of course it’s easier to just throw the blame around rather then stop being so slovenly and gluttonous.
Posted by: Jess at November 10, 2008 12:21 PM
I have owned an organic farm from the 60’s. I eat meat and find all what you claim can gross us out is not 1/10 as poisionious as the types and kinds of bacterial saturation around gay sex. In a hospital lab, nothing is as infected as a human mouth for bacterial tests. A bite from a human is extremely infected with bacteria. Much worse than a barn yard. second to bites from humans are bites from monkeys. there aren’t many infections from cat or dog bites. I am Republican and see a lot more contamination when I see a picture of cities packed with people.
Thanks and I remind you that veges thrive in animal waste. The flies that land on you are tourists that visit dog poop with a smile.
Jess:I saw a great t-shirt that said: I make space for the animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes.
There are different types of bacteria xppc, not all is harmful, some of it is actually good for people. I assume you don’t care if you go to a restaurant where the employees don’t wash their hands?
Lauren if you think it’s easy being a vegetarian see what Patricia wrote. No one has ever come on this site and said they thought abortion was “fun” or joked about how much they liked it.
Jill, please cheer up! The joy of Easter came only after the dispair of Good Friday. Someone once wrote or said that we’re never closer to the Lord than when we stand in the shadow of his cross. So just think how close you are to him right now!
You know your bible, so please remind yourself that God’s ways are not our ways, and his thoughts are not our thoughts. I don’t know why God has allowed this to happen. But I believe he will bring good of this somehow.
I share your grief about Obama’s election. I can get discouraged and give up, or I can say “Blessed be God forever!” and keep fighting.
If I give in to dispair, then I am saying that I distrust God’s providence. So I’m going to keep praying, keep believing, keep hoping, and keep trusting. God wouldn’t want anything less from me, would he?
I trust that God will end legalized abortion in this land. The hard part is accepting that it isn’t going to be on my timeframe
Jill,
My pastor told us in his sermon that we could have done more, that he could have done more – praying in front of clinics, writing letters to the editor, etc… Only a tiny minority of parishioners are involved in the pro-life movement. It could have made a difference in the election.
Dutch Sheets concludes that “we must ask Him (God) for a strategy to produce reformation”. While we do need to pray, and I don’t mean to belittle his opinion, I think we all need to move forward and do something because the BIG PLAN is not going to fall from the Heavens. Change will come about as a culmination of all the small things we do.
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Juliette @12:39 PM
While I’m not happy with the outcome of the election I am wondering if McCain would have been elected the tendency to become complacent in the pro-life cause would have been great. I am being prayerfully optimistic that with this election our passion will only increase and we hold our ground and share our knowledge. We have to be the voice of truth and keep repeating ourselves. I am also praying for a conversion of heart on the pro-life issue from our president elect. I’ve just added him to my list along with abortion providers that their eyes and hearts are opened to the truth. With God all things are possible!
I agree with you, that we may have fallen complacent. We certainly can’t now. I think it’s very important that we make an effort to reach out the junior high and high school aged teens because they will be the next generation of voters.
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We made history on November 4. Though you may think it was for worse, the majority of the electorate, and of the world, seems to think it was for the better. Whatever it is, it can’t possibly be worse than the last 8 years. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
Posted by: Ray at November 10, 2008 1:03 PM
What was soooo bad about the last 8 years? Honestly. You are the kool-aid drinker who was gullable enough to believe that our country is so bad off we need “change” what is the change by the way? Has Nobama ever clearly defined what that is?
“Anyway, I imgaine the abortion rate will go down a bit, the economy will improve a bit, but basically, things will stay pretty much the same.
Posted by: Hal at November 10, 2008 12:24 PM”
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Now, that’s one fairy tale under the Obama administration I would love to read to my kids at night…
But, that’s all it is…a fairy tale.
No, Hal…abortions WILL increase,and, unfortunately, in an exponential rate, I might add.
I have to wonder if so many of the Obama supporters didn’t know about his extreme views on abortion and infanticide thanks to MSM how much will they really find out about what he overturns or passes?? Or did they know and just not care?? They will be kept in the dark. Well, unless they come here or other prolife blogs. :)
Fed up,
Thank you. I needed that.
Jill – that young man was there for you – for all of us. Thank God for revealing His purposes in the poor and brokenhearted and weak of this world! Thanks for your heartfelt sharing.
The pro-life cause needs to show the steadfast beauty of life in the face of adversity and suffering, in particular the shared joy.
Imagine a powerful video of that young man joyfully singing inter-cut with scenes inferring an abortion because of Downs syndrome.
We need to include the pre-born into the same realm as all others who are suffering in this world, and not isolate them on their own, which makes it easier for them to be marginalized.
Let God use the small, weak and powerless to shame the powerful and strong of this world.
And, if some, by choice, prefer to kill Joy, then that too needs to be revealed.
Everybody please stop feeling so bad and roll up your sleeves. We have work to do.
Next item on the agenda: help Senator Saxby Chambliss win his Senate runoff race in Georgia (he won the election but with 49.9% of the vote; Georgia law requires a runoff if no one gets 50%). So now he will have to win it all over again.
Obviously, we CANNOT afford to LOSE ANY MORE SENATE SEATS! We MUST hold this one. We cannot let the Democrats and abortionists get to 58 or 59 seats!
Call or email ALL your friends and family in Georgia and urge them to vote Saxby Chambliss for Senate on December 2. Tell them it is critical to do this for the future of this country.
Do everything you can to spread the word of how important this is on all pro-life websites.
Well sandy there was 9/11 the disaster with Hurricane Katrina the War in Iraq the high gas prices the economy failing for starters.
Why we continue…
We don’t do this to prevent a woman—through the enactment of laws or the application of force—from aborting her child, we do this to ensure she fully understands what she does.
We don’t depend upon what others do or don’t do to define success, we depend upon what we do.
We don’t do this to curry favor, or—God forbid—merely to win an election, we do this to save a mother and child.
Ignorance and apathy will be with us always, but so to, will be love. — Dean Magdal Thompson
II Corinthians 4:7-9
http://www.deanmagdalthompson.com
What was soooo bad about the last 8 years?
I’m going to pretend you were kidding or being ironic. The list of Bush Administration blunders, failures, scandals, and crimes reported in the media over the past 8 years is simply too long for anyone living in the United States to not have noticed.
Bark Obama and change. What do you think of all the old has beens he is appointing? Was his big moth promising change with the secret being same OLD Clinton plan?
I found that quote in the online version of the book (The Three Ways of the Interior Life by Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange). I think there is a lot of hope in it:
“‘Nothing has ever happened and nothing happens save by the plan of My [God’s] divine Providence. In all things that I permit, in all things that I give you, in tribulations and in consolations, temporal or spiritual, I do nothing save for your good, so that you may be sanctified in Me and that My Truth be fulfilled in you. ‘ It is the same truth which St. Paul expresses in his epistle to the Romans: ‘ To them that love God all things work together unto good. ‘”
There is also a footnote which I found inspiring:
“There is nothing easier than to be convinced in theory that Providence ordains all things without exception unto good. But it is rare to find that truth realized in practice when some unforeseen disaster enters like a cataclysm into our lives. There are few who are able to see in such an event one of God’s greatest graces, the grace of their second or third conversion. The venerable Boudon, a priest held in high repute by his own bishop and by several bishops in France, one day received, in consequence of a calumny, a letter from his bishop suspending him and forbidding him to say Mass or to hear confessions. He straightway threw himself on his knees before his crucifix, thanking our Lord for a grace of which he felt himself to be unworthy”
Jill:
The victory is already won.
“Be of good cheer, I have overcome the world”…Jesus Christ.
Lauren if you think it’s easy being a vegetarian see what Patricia wrote. No one has ever come on this site and said they thought abortion was “fun” or joked about how much they liked it.
Posted by: Jess at November 10, 2008 1:28 PM
Jess: I’m sorry but to compare abortion to animal rights is shameful. Babies are not comparable to animals. They are persons made in the image of God and destined to live with him in Heaven for all eternity. Your view of creation is distorted. I’m not advocating the massacre of animals but we have to have the proper perspective of the order of creation.
For the Kenyan view on Obama: (from lifesite news)
“We in Kenya know him (Obama) as a person who is anti-family,” Dr. Karanja said. “A person who would support abortion. In America they can do all right killing their babies. But they must not associate us with the people who would want our babies to be killed.”
In an interview at an international conference of obstetricians and ethicists in Rome, Dr. Karanja said that Africans are now under threat, with Obama having made his radical support for abortion without restriction a key point of his campaign. “Now we are in big trouble because of these Americans,” Dr. Karanja said.
Dr. Karanja expressed his frustration at the result of the US election: “They have no business electing a person who is going to destroy our countries. And that is what they have done. This is something that a lot of people don’t realise, that what these Americans do affects innocent people thousands and thousands of miles away.”
“The truth is that they have put a bad man in the most powerful office in the whole world. And are putting people outside your borders in danger.”
the Economy getting fixed better be the first priority
Liz, ain’t no fixing it, and that’d be just as true had McCain won.
Maybe we have at least one more “recovery” due to “priming the pump,” so to speak, i.e. increasing gov’t debt, having an easy-money Federal Reserve Board policy, etc., but as long as the debt mountain continues to grow there’s no real fix or cure in place.
I think Obama will be a one-term President due to the economy.
In the long run, a problem like ours is resolved one of two ways – a deflationary depression where debts are defaulted upon (and eventually this would mean the US gov’t reneging on its debts – a huge thing which hasn’t happened in past slowdowns), or a hyperinflation where the debt is rendered meaningless by devaluing the currency so far.
Neither are attractive options, but one or the other will come eventually. In the meantime, how many more cycles of “up” and “down” do we have before the real crunch comes?
and alittle more:
Dr. Karanja described the work of US-based international aid organisations that have condoms, abortion and population control as the foundation of their work overseas: “Those organisations that come to our country … we don’t need them. We don’t need them at all. They come in our country for the purposes of trying to sell an ideology to us, an ideology we do not need.”
“There is something in Africa we have that they should come and learn,” he continued. “Something called ‘respecting the family’ respecting the elders, respecting the children, hoping for the best, and not being ruled. And people from the west have a problem with this.”
The “one thing” that many Kenyans fear from Obama’s presidency, said Karanja, is the renewal of the attacks on the family and the unborn. “The only resource we have that is truly ours,” he said, “is our people.
“Don’t attack them and we’ll be alright. And this administration of Obama, is going to be a nightmare for our people.”
Maybe Kenya should start refusing entry to some of these organizations…..
Jess, I’ve watched the “meat” video and it’s pretty sad.
Just because he has ONE view you disagree on doesn’t mean he’s going to destroy the world. The man isn’t even in office yet. CALM DOWN.
Very well said, Erin.
I saw a great t-shirt that said: I make space for the animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes.
:: laughing ::
Oh Patricia, that’s bad (sort of) but it’s funny as heck.
We saw the t-shirt in the mall and it was my 16 year old who pointed it out and mentioned Jess.
I’m not against eating meat but I don’t like the mass production farms.
We always feel sad when we see the piggies go by in the huge transport trucks, oblivious as to where they are going…..
Yo La Tengo, I don’t understand how you can accuse someone of being offensive and in the same breath suggest pro-lifers only want the disabled around to serve as metaphors.
God is not usurped by anyone. He is working powerfully, though I understand why your distorted worldview might lead you to believe otherwise.
Bobby, thank you! Powerful.
“…thanking our Lord for a grace of which he felt himself to be unworthy”
Jill, please do not despair! The deceiver wants us to believe we cannot effect change, that he will triumph, but we believers know how the story ends!
There are a lot of people pointing to end-times signs, but we know that He will come when the Good News has reached every ear. So, go! Tell!
And know that nothing you do is in vain, there is nothing fuzzy about God’s position on abortion! I, for one, after recovering from my post-election despondency, feel an urgency and a fire lit under me to fight the good fight!
Thank you, Patricia, for some perspective on the world’s reaction other than that the MSM offers us! Wednesday morning, I read that an Australian newspaper’s headline was: “Obama has world mandate”.
Remember to pray for wisdom and discernment for all world leaders. The World Health Organization has been chomping at the bit to get abortion endorsed by an American president.
“The deceiver wants us to believe we cannot effect change, that he will triumph, but we believers know how the story ends!”
Klyn,
Beautiful. That’s a great point. Despair is EXACTLY what the devil wants us to do right now, to think that all our work up to this point has been for naught. What we must do now is storm the gates of heaven with more prayer than ever. And as you mentioned, we know how it ends. God love you.
Jill, I’m so sorry for the way you’ve been feeling…you are so brave to pour out your heart here, when there are so many ready to pounce and attack you for it.
I know it must have touched you deep down on so many levels, seeing such a bittersweet reminder of who that child you held in your arms years ago might have been.
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Jill, you have done everything you could have possibly done to prevent Obama from becoming president- to protect those little ones.
You have done the right thing, and you have been giving your all for years now! You may not ever know how many lives have been saved as a result of your efforts till you reach Heaven, but I have a feeling that you will be rejoicing when you know. Lives HAVE been saved because of your efforts, and will continue to be as you continue working to protect them.
This time of mourning is good for you. It will help you to become stronger for the fight for life. Please know that you have so many people behind you, supporting you, loving you, and praying for you. We love you, Jill.
Maybe next time we’ll run a decent candidate instead of John McLame. I never liked him before, and still don’t like him. I voted FOR Sarah Palin and AGAINST Barry Carter, not for John McCain.
Jill, here’s how I see it – if the Judgement is on the way, then that’s just the way it is. We’ll all either be in Heaven or Hell when all is said and done.
I’d rather occupy myself in trying to prevent Barry from bringing God’s wrath down upon us. That’s a heck of a lot more productive than feeling sorry for the world over the election of an evil man to the US presidency.
Also, crazy people who think that the last eight years were the worst years imaginable must never have studied the Great Depression. Get over yourselves, you hyper-partisan freaks.
I was born at the end of WW2. 16 years later I was asked in England: ” Why did you kill the Jews “? I then found out about what happenend in Nazi Germany. I was shocked. There is no excuse for us not to know what is happening with the born alive babies – IF we want to hear it and find out about it. I spoke out before the election and will not be quiet about the killing of babies. Yesterday at church I felt like you Jill crying and crying every time I was thinking of going to have a man in the white house who is in favor of these killings.(God has still the power to stop him from getting there before January!) My daughter is the music director at a Church service for people with disabilities. I am helping her and can`t express the love these dear people have for their Lord and Savior. God will not be mocked! God WILL judge these Atrocities. We need to keep speaking up and trust God to hear our cries and intersessions in behalf of the innocent. Thank you for all you have done to prevent the killing of babies in the past and for what you will do in the future with Gods help. Psalm 27:1
In Him who died for us
Karin
A positive thought on the election.
In the later days before Jesus’ return we are to see the deterioration of society. This election is just one more thing that proves that Jesus is coming back sooner rather then later.
It is a time to rejoice and get right with God.
Get over yourselves, you hyper-partisan freaks.
Posted by: John Lewandowski at November 10, 2008 4:02 PM
John, with all due respect, you don’t think that descripton fits you a little bit?
Hal, with all respect due to someone like you, get bent. Considering your absolutely mindless support of Obama, you have no right to call me or anyone else a partisan.
I would be partisan if I said that I loved McCain and thought he was the greatest candidate ever and that he was going to “change” America and the world. I don’t. I don’t even like McCain. I just thought he was preferable to the worst candidate of all time, Barack Obama. I actually voted for Hillary Clinton in the primary because I thought she would at least be a sane candidate, though I oppose her on many, many issues. Obama, however… there’s just no justification for that. Anyone who voted for him is either a racist, a Marxist, or a complete idiot. In case you’re wondering, you fall in the third category, Hal.
for the 27th time, my support for Obama is not “mindless.” I like th e guy, I like his policies. I’m not 100% in his corner, but probably 90%. If I was partisan, I would have felt the same way about Kerry and Gore, but I didn’t. So, you and I apparently disagree, does that mean one of us is a “complete idiot?” Hardly, we just have different politics.
Posted by: klyn73 at November 10, 2008 3:20 PM
The fact that you can make that statement shows that you know little to nothing of what its like to be disabled. It’s all cute and fun and stuff, and people love you, but when you get a voice and a mind, meh, not so much.
It’s hard for people to make the transition in their mind from a cute and servile disabled person, to a person with their own desires independent of their caretakers. If I were chained to my parents all the time I would be going to leftist protests all the time. I only like to go some of the time. I would be thinking that Ralph Nader was a candidate worth a shot, I would prob. still be Catholic… the list can go on forever. The point is, until you recognize a disabled person as a distinct person who may completely disagree with you it is impossible to say that you completely respect them. Until you can do that you are merely playing with a dolls with real people.
Hal, if I respected you, I would say that you like Obama because you think he’ll be effective as a trojan horse to bring Marxist and other subversive, anti-American policies to Washington.
But, I don’t respect you, so I will repeat my statement that your support of Obama is completely mindless.
There are a lot of very smart conservatives who support Obama. Are they mindless too?
Hal – I read the article you linked to in one of the other threads – interesting re: the Douthat/Kmeic exchange. I’ve been reading other posts about that exchange. I think Daniel is observing something important, and throughout the day I’ve come across numerous articles that touch upon the issue of what it means to advocate for the weak in terms of social justice, and how that mantle has the potential to be shredded with any move by Obama to expand abortion internationally.
Here’s an article that respectfully covers that idea:
http://www.breakpoint.org/listingarticle.asp?ID=7035
I’m interested in hearing your opinion on this article.
You want a respectful intellectual exchange..right?
John,
For the most part, I enjoy coming onto this blog to read Jill’s posts and everyone’s thoughts. Unfortunately, the vitriol spewing from your posts in personally attacking everyone whose opinion differs from yours is what usually ruins it for the day.
Could you (and everyone here, you know who you are) please try to engage in more respectful conversation?
I see John is still spreading sunshine wherever he goes…
Chris, I’ll take a look at that article. Thanks. No time now, hopefully in the morning.
I can tell you, I have absolutely no difficulty with the concept that pro life Christians do not support Obama. I also understand that some do. And, there are pro-choice Christians out there too, or at least people who call themselves that. As a non-Christian, it’s an interesting debate.
klyn73: I’ve heard people use the term “global president”
This makes me fearful – one world government?
“To say men and women should not inject their “personal morality” into policy debates is a practical absurdity; our law is by definition a codification of morality.”
yor bro ken
“I sat in my mother’s church yesterday and was surprised to feel anger that the worship leader smiled and sang the same songs as ever, as if life didn ‘t drastically change last week, as if the Church itself weren’t indicted by the election of Barack Obama.”
Jill,
I had the same experience at my church.
You are a very courageous person and you have no doubt saved and touched many lives for the better.
We love you.
“There are a lot of very smart conservatives who support Obama. Are they mindless too?”
They might fall into the category of racist or Marxist. Or, of course, pro-abortion, but that goes without saying.
I don’t know Doug Sheets from shinola.
But I would humbly suggest one of the worst judgements I could render on my own children is to let them have what they ask for and to allow them to go merrily on their way and allow them to suffer the consequences of their actions and not intervene, even when they plead for help with tears of sorrow. I would have to see some recognition on their part that were not sorry just because the consequences were painful, instead of an honest regret that they had rejected, not only my authority, but more importantly my love.
Sometimes my wife and my children ask me for my advice and when I give it they want to argue with me. I just say, ‘Hey if that is what you believe is the best course of action, then go with it.’
I do not stop loving them. I do not refuse to answer their questions. I just give as much advice as they will take. When they start to resist or argue, I stop giving.
Does it grieve me when they harm themselves? You bet. But it would harm them more to save them from themselves. Liberty always produces better fruit than Law.
yor bro ken
Stephanie, I’ll be respectful as soon at the pro-aborts on here admit that Obama is going to be the most pro-abortion, anti-life president ever, and that the Democratic Party is the party of abortion, AND that the only reason why abortion is legal is that the Democratic Party has fought tooth and nail, lying, cheating, and stealing to keep it legal.
If they do that, I’ll be respectful. Otherwise, forget about it. I don’t show respect to despicable liars.
It’s not the disagreement. It’s the LYING. Remember that.
FYI, Stephanie, what usually goes on in this blog makes me want to vomit. Here’s how it typically goes:
Pro-abort: I like Obama. You should like Obama too. He’s not radical, no siree, he’s great.
Pro-lifer: I disagree, my good man. I don’t think Obama will be good.
Pro-abort: Good heavens, but he is very good, you must realize.
Pro-life: Oh but I must protest, dear sir.
Pro-abortion: Well, it doesn’t really matter; abortion is legal and it’s going to stay that way forever. Fascist hatemongers like you definitely aren’t going to force women to not kill their own children. And I say that with all respect.
Pro-lifer: Hah! God love you, friend!
Pro-abort: So, going bowling tonight?
Pro-lifer: I think I’ll stay home and order Chinese food.
Pro-abort: Y’know, after you eat it, you just want to get another abortion an hour later!
Pro-Lifer: Ahh… you got me there! Good one!
John, you are the most ridiculous person I’ve ever heard of. In fact, I have trouble believing you’re a real life person.
Is this Jess a squatter or something? He/she seems to be on the wrong blog and needs a
GPS or something to redirect to his/her apparent personal topic and obcession.
As Jill says, with a certain resigned patience, “whatever”!
Thank you, Josephine. That is a high compliment from a (series of words I can’t post here) such as yourself.
Ready to admit that Obama is going to be the most anti-life president, that the Democratic Party is the party of abortion, and that the Dems are the reason why abortion is still legal? Or do you prefer nothing but insults from me?
For someone who isn’t partisan… you sure are.. wow…
And nope. There are plenty of pro-life democrats.. Obama isn’t anti-life. He doesn’t want the poor people or soldiers to die… I think if the Republicans would try harder abortion could be outlawed, but I don’t think they really care that much. I think they pretend to care more than they do so that people like yourself will vote for them.
Patricia you’re no different from the people who say a born person is more important then a unborn person. What makes animals less then humans? Not everyone takes the Bible literally, or even at all truthful. Animals have hearts, brains, just like us. So they don’t share our DNA? People with Down Syndrome have less chromosomes, can we kill all of them too?
KC, evil is when good men do nothing. And are pro-lifers at the wrong place when they show up outside of abortion clinics?
Oh Doug I knew the only ones to watch the video would be pro-choicers. And I watched all the videos and followed all the links they put up here : ( Apparently we’re the only ones who are interested in learning.
Well, then, Josephine, clearly you expect me to continue to deride and insult you, since you are unwilling to be honest.
I’m not partisan. I don’t support the Republicans in everything they do; in fact, I am very angry with the Republicans right now. But I do H-A-T-E the Democratic Party, because it is the reason why abortion is still legal. Self-proclaimed “Pro-life Democrats” are all either liars or are tools used to advance the agenda of the pro-abortion Democratic Party leadership. The Democratic Party is so pro-abortion that now it is actually better for the pro-life movement to vote for a pro-abortion Republican than it is to vote for a “pro-life” Democrat. Pro-abortion Republicans being in power strengthens the pro-life Republican leadership; but pro-life Democrats being in power strengthens the pro-abortion Democratic leadership. And that is just PATHETIC.
Josephine, you are either evil, delusional, or just plain stupid. Earlier I assumed you were incredibly evil, and I suppose I should apologize for that. I honestly don’t know which of the three you are, but I’m willing to give you the benefit of a doubt and assume that you’re too stupid to see the forest for the trees. That is as far as my charity goes.
People with Down Syndrome have less chromosomes, can we kill all of them too?
Posted by: Jess at November 10, 2008 9:15 PM
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Actually–they don’t. They have an part or all of an extra chromosome.
And we kill 80-90% of them before they’re born, so yes, we pretty much do kill all of them. Only the pro-lifers seem to give a crap, though.
For the umpteenth time, Jess, animals are not people. I love my dog, but she is not a human being. This is a pro-life blog about the humanity of unborn human beings, in case you haven’t noticed that yet.
Have a good night, everyone.
Oh John, you’re so angry. It’s the funny kind though, so I don’t mind. It’s hilarious to me that you think democrats only focus on abortion. There are no other goals. Juuuust abortion.
Well, there’s really nothing to say except “wow!”
Ray said: In our case, the dire predictions came true, as evidenced by the current state of our economy and our standing in world opinion, not to mention places like New Orleans, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Ray,
You are blaming Hurricane Katrina on George Bush, I thought Obama was the only one who could make the waters rise. Did you go to New Orleans and volunteer help? Probably not because Obama wasn’t there to lead you right. How long are you gonna blame everything on Bush. And the economy….it was the Democrats (Obama, Barney Frank etc)…that blocked Bush and McCains attempt to reign in the mortgage crisis over the past several years, it was not completely responsible for the crisis but the mortgage meltdown is a huge part and it was the Democrats that caused it. In Iraq, Bush deposed a ruthless dictator and got even the Sunni population there to fight against AlQaeda, if Obama had his way Iraq would be a bloody civil war and power place for AlQueda…I am worried about the change. In Afghanistan Obama has already told Larzai that he thinks the American military bombs civilian targets and Karzai has called Obama to stop bombing at a time when Obama is increasing our military presence and operations there three-fold as soon as he gets into office.
Ray, I will blame Bush for failing in his war plan until he took McCain’s advice on the surge; but none of the other crap was his fault and Obama’s plan for Iraq is to bail out and that would be worse than Bush’s plan cause we would have to go back under much more voltile circumstances.
People with Down Syndrome have less chromosomes, can we kill all of them too?
Posted by: Jess at November 10, 2008 9:15 PM
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Some people are truely ignorant! Angels are made with 47 pieces! The rest of the vile only have 46! Do homework before posting and exposing yourself as true scum. I wish upon you and your family one of these truely special humans, so you can know the joy they bring everyday, and you can look into his/her eyes with your shallow soul and know that you’d rather “kill them all”.
Jill,
Keep heart. You and your work have done and still do a tremendous amount of good. Even with your gigantic efforts, many people who voted Obama just either didn’t know, or didn;t believe Obama and his stance on BAIPA. I talked with a guy just today and he thought that the BAIPA was just lies when he heard about it pre-election. I was able to direct him to your site and he now knows the truth. Don;t let it get you down. I know your goal, and mine, was to keep him from getting elected,; but know that you and your work are still making a great difference.
My teacher in Grades 7 and 8 taught my class many subjects, including science. In science he taught us about the four realms of God’s creation: physical things, plants, animals, and human beings. He drew lovely diagrams, and I especially remember the crown he always drew above the face of the human being.
Jess’s teacher probably taught her something more like pantheism. There is only one realm of existence and it is Mother Earth. Human beings are only highly evolved animals. Animals and plants are only highly organized matter (organized by series of happy coincidences, of course).
Human beings are not animals. God made the first human being, Adam, somewhat like Himself. After the Fall and the beginning and escalation of violence, God destroyed everything and began anew with Noah. God shortened the lifespan of the human being, and clearly told Noah that he could kill animals but not kill other human beings. In Genesis 9 you can read these instructions to our father Noah.
Human life is special, Jess. God says that it is special.
I wrote a blog in a very similar vein they day after the election on my…less prestigious myspace blog.
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=114856864&blogID=446591826
With a man like Obama as President-Elect, it does feel like the end of freedom in America, doesn’t it?
Josephine, I didn’t say that Democrats only focus on abortion. That would be silly.
Democrats also focus on stealing money from “the rich”, more accurately known as “the productive members of society”, and giving it to lazy bums who don’t deserve it. That is called “socialism”, and it is extremely anti-American.
Democrats also focus on playing pat-a-cake with terrorists, since anything else is just plain mean.
And, Democrats also focus on banning conservative speech, saying that anyone who opposes them is a “hater”, while ensuring that children are bombarded with pornographic images in public and on TV by defending porn as “free speech”.
It’s just one great big package of complete stupidity. How anyone can still be a Democrat is beyond me.
Laura, that quote from Revenge of the Sith on your blog post from the 5th seems so hauntingly true.
I don’t think Obama is a closet Sith though, but Biden is definitely his “apprentice”.
Does it grieve me when they harm themselves? You bet. But it would harm them more to save them from themselves. Liberty always produces better fruit than Law.
Ken, well said indeed.
Hi Jill,
I completely agree with you! We had a victory in California defeating gay marriage but knowing that our precious babies were being entrusted to a president who has no compassion or fear of God made me angry. You can’t be a Christian and be prochoice, PERIOD! The Bible is extremely clear about children and anyone who says otherwise needs to open their BIble and read it and pray. God reminded me that this kingdom will be shaken as all earthly kingdoms will and have been. God will not share His glory with any man and history proves this. All those professing Obama to be the “messiah” better repent before a serious judgement falls on this land. We need to fight harder for our Gods babies and remember what 2 Timothy 3:12 says, “In fact, everyone who wants to live in Christ Jesus WILL be persecuted” This verse helped me out of some dark days last week by reminding me the majority of people are against us as they were Christ Jesus and persecution will come and that is how we know we are His children. Generally after great persecution comes revival! Remember earthly kingdoms will be shaken but there is one Kingdom that can NEVER be shaken and that is what I am living for!! Thank you Jill for being a faithful servant and you will someday know just what a blessing you have been to many in the prolife community and the babies you have saved by your testimony and perseverance!
“Stephanie, I’ll be respectful as soon at the pro-aborts on here admit that Obama is going to be the most pro-abortion, anti-life president ever, and that the Democratic Party is the party of abortion, AND that the only reason why abortion is legal is that the Democratic Party has fought tooth and nail, lying, cheating, and stealing to keep it legal.”
You might be right about the first part, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. As for the “only reason” abortion is still legal, I don’t think you can give the Democrats all the credit for that. Lots of people, even some who “personally oppose abortion” don’t want it to be illegal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4xfMisqab8
Bobby, please watch this video from Mr. Olbermann last night, regarding Prop 8. (I’m trying to save your soul)
Jess, if you truly believe that humans and animals are on the same level, and that we are also just animals, why don’t you work to protect the unborn children with the same fervor as you would protect an animal?
It is contradictory that you would allow one type of “animal” (humans) to be killed for another human’s convenience, but not to allow another animal to be killed for a human’s convenience.
What makes killing a bunny rabbit so much worse than killing a baby human, from your perspective?
Well, I’m not Jess, but I’m taking a wild stab at the “reasoning” here:
The little bunny wabbit can wook at you wif his wittle eyes and he can also expwess his pain in a way that we can interpwet it.
As opposed to an unborn child, whom they claim in “mindless and insensate.” So it’s okay to rip its arms and legs off because we can’t prove that it can or cannot “feel” it.
I guess that makes the ripping off of limbs and crushing of the skull…humane??
Sorry for the Elmer Fudd speech…couldn’t help myself.
“in” should be “is” in the previous post.
The little bunny wabbit can wook at you wif his wittle eyes and he can also expwess his pain in a way that we can interpwet it.
Oh my goodness, Kel, you had me rolling with this. :-D
But I think, all kidding aside, that you are probably right about the reasoning.
Jill, I have so appreciated your work for the pro-life movement through the years…and I also appreciated your reference to being blessed by Eric – yet another reminder that we need to fight for and protect another vulnerable segment in society in addition to the preborn from the horrors of abortion – the disabled from the horrors of euthanasia.
However, I have to disagree with the foundation of Dutch Sheets perspective on the election results. He states that: 1) he is quite certain the events of Tuesday’s election were not God’s Will, 2) that perhaps the Remnant wasn’t large enough or didn’t pray hard enough for God to intervene otherwise, and 3) that the nation’s decision to elect Obama took us a step away from “God and His plans for America.” I find these comments alarming and bordering on heretical.
God is not a puppet that we manuever and manipulate – either for good or for bad. He is sovereign above all things and is directly involved in everything that takes place. He allows kings and nations to rise and fall. He ordained the rise of Babylon, the Chaldeans, and Egypt to destruction and misery for His choosen people, Israel. Lest we also forget, Amercia is NOT God’s choosen people. While He has brought much blessing to this great land and to the world through this land, it is wrong to assume that mortal man knows the future plans God has for this nation.
Christians need to be discerning like never before; to stick SOLELY with the truths of Scripture – nothing more and nothing less. We depend on the Lord our God. Nothing more and nothing less.