CNN interviews abortionist; invites outrageous smears
Today on Newsbusters, Matthew Balan pointed out CNN’s pro-abortion bias in an interview between anchor Kiran Chetry and AL abortionist Diane Derzis. Balan wrote…
After Derzis included a statement of pride in her work as an “abortion provider,” Chetry seemed to empathize either further with her: “… It’s a choice that no one wants to have to make. People make it obviously, but when you say you love what you do, explain that.”
The CNN anchor then read a statement by Christian Defense Coalition leader Reverend Pat Mahoney, who denounced the murder of Tiller, and included his view that he didn’t “know of one legitimate pro-life leader who would not unequivocally condemn this.” Derzis flatly called that view a “lie,” and when Chetry asked her to just clarify, she went much further:These people – the rhetoric these people espoused – calls for our deaths, every day, in front of these clinics. You know, he’s saying that only because of the timing of this particular shooting….
These people have put the target on our chest, on our backs…. The people, by and large, who stand in front of these clinics every day have their own agenda, and that agenda is to do away with abortion in whatever way they can. The election of Barack Obama put them in a corner. They’re losing, and the only way they see to take care of this is to kill us. This is just the first of what I foresee as many more….Chetry’s second question to Derzis during the interview was also rather sympathetic: “What is it like going to work knowing you have a target on your head?” This question, highlighted by Laura Ingraham on Monday, led the talk show host to call for the firing of the CNN anchor.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Sorry, I really can’t watch the video. In fact, I’m not watching any of the news coverage of this event. I don’t think I can handle seeing innocent pro-lifers painted with the same brush as a lone madman.
I know the pro aborts read this web site. she contradicts her own claims so obviously. Her strategy reminds me of Fred Phelps. Where are the marchers that call for deaths everyday?
Tiller in his trial devoted some time to being validated by reason of being a victum of an attack while he does “good dedds for women’s health”
Lot of women infertile and damaged by horrific medical practices in the abortuaries.
The “news” media coverage has been so one sided it’s outrageous.
And apparently today two soldiers were shot at an Army recruiting office today. Yet the attorney general orders marshalls to protect abortion mills. Isn’t this a bit one sided too?
buckle up, it’s going to be a bumpy ride for the next week or so.
soooo, other than a couple of posts on the OR site… what is the MSM referring to when they say he was a strong anti abortion activist? (i saw that on CNN this morning at the gym.)
Joanne,
I have issued a challenge to Kelly, and I extend it to all “concerned” about PL “violence” that post here.
Go after the militias! Come on folks, the militias attract and spawn the likes of Roeder, extremists who have no regard for the law.
Roeder was fanatical about many issues and viewed as dangerous. Certainly the “freemen” if not all militias should be held responsible for his actions and should be hearing from those who so abhor violence.
Roeder was a “freemen” so check out if they have a website. If they don’t, keep looking until you find a militia website, then make sure you tell these characters exactly what you think of them and the violence they promote and spawn.
Tell them they are responsible for the death of George Tiller.
Warning: They probably won’t be as nice as the PL people on this blog have been.
These people – the rhetoric these people espoused – calls for our deaths, every day, in front of these clinics. You know, he’s saying that only because of the timing of this particular shooting….
yes, we can remember the many times that we’ve seen coverage on TV and blogs of violent prolifers screaming death chants outside of abortion clinics.
….*sarcasm*
“What is it like going to work knowing you have a target on your head?”
oh pleeeaaaseee!
We reap what we sow!
There is an eternal reward or punishment we each will receive at the judgment seat of Christ.
Don’t tarry as we don’t know the day or hour we pass from life to death.
Accept Jesus as your Savior and then as your Lord…
I personally heard Tiller given the gospel at his clinic of sorrow! It was within his grasp to accept it….Did he?
John,
He was a member of the church at which he was killed. He was ushering and his wife was in the choir.
“He was a member of the church at which he was killed. He was ushering and his wife was in the choir.”
Doesn’t mean or prove one’s truly a child of the King! I did the same works, but if I died at that moment of time, I’d be swimming in a lake of FIRE….
Without Repentance, there is no forgiveness!
C’mon. You guys shoot women’s health clinc doctors. Their only “crime” is having a clever sense of humor.
Kiran Chetry and abortionist Diane Derzis = white trash
C’mon. You guys shoot women’s health clinc doctors. Their only “crime” is having a clever sense of humor.
Posted by: Yo La Tengo at June 1, 2009 5:31 PM
funny thing, where’s the mainstream media when you need ’em?
The only person on this blog calling for abortionists to be shot is a proabort!
Chicago has 7 shooting deaths in 24 hours
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=297588&
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Shooter, Victims Identified West LR Shooting
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0609/627959.html
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U.S. swine flu hits all 50 states
California health officials reported the state’s first two deaths from the swine flu virus, bringing the nationwide total to 19 fatalities.
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Just a little perspective.
People die all the time in this country from various causes, some accidental, some natural, some criminal.
If George Tiller were an OB/Gyn who made his living asssisting the termination of pregnancies with the intent to produce a live born infant, you would not know he had died unless you lived in the city he lived in or attended the the church he was shot in.
Tillers claim to fame is due to his deathlihood and his death is due to the same thing.
I do not mourn his passing any more than I mourned the passing of Pol Pot or the three Somali pirates.
Violence begets violence. Tiller reaped what he sowed.
Tiller was a servant in the house of the LORD.
Judgement came to the house of God.
The ones who were tasked with watching over his soul did not fulfill their fiduciary responsiblity to Tiller nor to the body of Christ.
Instead of disciplining Tiller they facilitated his ‘sin’. Now Tiller,s blood is on their hands.
The devil came to breakfast and no one had the discernment to even know he was in their midst until it was too late.
Tiller’s family knew exactly what his deathlihood was and they knowingly enjoyed the benefits bought with blood money. There is a curse upon Tiller’s household and it did not die with his passing. There is a remedy, but Tillers surviving family will have to avail themselves of it. It will not happen absent an act of their knowing will. I will pray that the One who gives them breath grants them repentance from the curse of their biological father and from their own sin.
Everyone needs a Savior.
They never mourned the loss of Tillers victims and now they are mourning the loss of the one who victimized so many and at last became the victim of his own his own folly.
I will not pray for the ‘dead lion’ for there is no more hope for the ‘dead lion’. The tree has fallen and it will lay in the same condition it fell. My prayers after the fact will not change Tillers present reality whatever that may be.
Only God knew and knows Tiller’s true spiritual condition.
I will pray for the live dog who killed Tiller.
Mr. Roeder still has hope for forgiveness and repentance. He is now a man of bloodshed and there is only one way he can be rid of that stain on his soul.
But for the grace of God, there go I.
yor bro ken
“…and the only way they see to solve this is to kill us”….
Just like the only way she and her staff see to solve the problem pregnancy is to KILL IT.
Whenever an abortionist kills a patient, the response of the abortion lobby is to dismiss the death as an aberration. These deaths happen about ten times a year. (That the CDC admits to.)
No matter how heinous the malpractice — having a “hand holder” assist with general anesthesia, shoving a hemorrhaging patient out the door in a wheelchair to bleed to death, massively overdosing a patient then leaving her unattended to lapse into a coma — we’re told that we’re not to let these “few bad apples” color our opinion of abortion practitioners in general. Think of the hundreds of abortionists who didn’t kill patients this year!
But when an abortionist gets shot, the perspective changes. Suddenly the act of JUST ONE PERSON is a reflection of the roughly 160 million other people who object to abortion. His actions are representative. All those antichoicers are JUST LIKE HIM. We’re not to look at the actions of the 160 million prolifers who have done nothing violent. We’re only to look at this one guy. He’s representative.
Ten dead patients a year aren’t a sign that abortionists are sloppy.
One dead abortionist every ten years, however, is a sign that prolifers are violent.
Which is just the sort of logic I’d expect from the movement that asserts that you honor motherhood by killing babies.
http://www.gingiedmonds.com/
Of course we now have to endure a bunch of hooey from the pro-aborts who want to say we are all murderers. These fake pundits huffing and puffing indignant about the actions of one person, need to take the log out of their own eye so they can remove the spec from other folks eyes. For one, they have promoted a culture of death that has resulted in a slippery slope of disregard for the value of human life from conception to natural death, even as they try to finger the pro-life movement as responsible for the death of Tiller. Secondly, they do not have the guts to say what they really think of specific individuals, lest they be sued for libel.
The pro-life movement should not have foisted upon our cause any special responsibility for the actions of the killer. No more than the pro-aborts are all responsible for the actions of a Florida clinic worker who suffocated and then tossed the remains of a born alive infant onto the roof of the facility they worked in. The law is properly pursuing legal charges in that case against those responsible, as it should be. So too here, the law will prosecute the individual responsible.
Interestingly, the pro-life response to the baby tossed on the roof story was measured and responsible. We focused on those who were immediately responsible for the death of that baby. We did not try to make it seem that every pro-abort is so crass as to have done the same thing. The MSM did not go bonkers over the story, even though it was every bit as tragic (and perhaps even more so) than this one.
I highly doubt the mainstream media will be smearing those critical of the Iraq War in response to the recent murder of the soldier in Arkansas, whose killer was a Muslim convert who did this out of anger towards the military. It is perfectly obvious to me that being an opponent of the war and/or Muslim does not indicate you condone criminal behavior against soldiers. It is also obvious to me that any war supporter who asserts that this one tragic crime represents the mindset of war opponents and/or Muslims is being absurd and unreasonable. It would be nice if this common sense approach was applied to both sides of the aisle. I’m not holding my breath, though.
What an absolute drama queen! Their only mission is to kill us????
Killing someone has never even crossed my mind. Prison just isn’t that enticing to me. Yet, these absolute hypocrites kill babies every day, and they act like they’re the good guys. Lady, get off your soap box!
Maddow and Olberman on MSNBC want to figure out how to silence the hate speech of pro-lifers. They are basically accusing O’Reilly of being responsible for inciting violence. Oh my. Lord have mercy on us all.
Olberman’s lead in: “What to do when a man’s words help to kill”
This man isn’t fit to report news. What is MSNBC thinking???
Olberman is calling for a boycott of FOX News. Now making fun of O’Reilly’s Ted Baxter-voice and calling for firing of O’Reilly. Oh please…….
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“There is an anti-abortion terrorist movement operating in America…”(R. Maddow – MSNBC)
I’m unaware of this terrorist movement. Pray tell, what planet are these reporters living on?
I think they’re drinking blindness to the truth kool-aid, Janet.
They are so obsessed with the “woman’s right to control her body” that they don’t realize its NOT her body that’s involved, but the tiny body of a separate unique human being.
Liz, for what it’s worth I think you are on the right track, as far as arguing your side of it.
Even if it’s accepted that “a separate unique human being” applies, it’s still going to be weighed against the rights of the thinking, feeling, woman, but as far as you’re concerned I think you’re doing the right thing.
Doug
The baby is still deserving of life, Doug. He/She did NOT commit any crime (unless conception is now a crime unless its *planned*?)
I’ve never heard of a woman having 4 arms, 4 legs 2 of each internal organ AND both sets of reproductive organs.
And since when does “feeling” and “thinking” make you human?
A woman’s rights do NOT outweigh the child’s rights. Remember, 50% of abortions are done on unborn GIRLS.
Equal Rights for UNBORN WOMEN!
Liz, you should know better than to engage Doug in a serious debate. Good nite.
Janet,
I figured that would be the case with the left wing kooks at AMessNBC.
Speaking of kooks. I found this blogger absolutely ridiculing the media hype and insane coverage of Tiller’s murder. Blogger is a pro abort and even he gets it.
http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/
Whenever an abortionist kills a patient, the response of the abortion lobby is to dismiss the death as an aberration. These deaths happen about ten times a year. (That the CDC admits to.)
No matter how heinous the malpractice — having a “hand holder” assist with general anesthesia, shoving a hemorrhaging patient out the door in a wheelchair to bleed to death, massively overdosing a patient then leaving her unattended to lapse into a coma — we’re told that we’re not to let these “few bad apples” color our opinion of abortion practitioners in general. Think of the hundreds of abortionists who didn’t kill patients this year!
But when an abortionist gets shot, the perspective changes. Suddenly the act of JUST ONE PERSON is a reflection of the roughly 160 million other people who object to abortion. His actions are representative. All those antichoicers are JUST LIKE HIM. We’re not to look at the actions of the 160 million prolifers who have done nothing violent. We’re only to look at this one guy. He’s representative.
Ten dead patients a year aren’t a sign that abortionists are sloppy.
One dead abortionist every ten years, however, is a sign that prolifers are violent.
Which is just the sort of logic I’d expect from the movement that asserts that you honor motherhood by killing babies.
Right Christina. These abortionists are not compassionate. I’ve heard so many women treated like utter cr*p by them. Once you’re up on their table, you’re at their mercy. Then when they mess up your insides, off to the hospital you go. They chalk it up to “Complications happen.” And you’ll never hear it on the news. I just can’t understand why anyone would call it a good thing.
It looks like Carhart is going to take George Tiller’s place to keep his clinic up and running. Just read it.
CNN had a scarier interview last night between Anderson Cooper and abortionist Warren Hern.
http://onemom.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/profiling/
Good old Warren Hern. Well, at least he admits that abortion is murder. Hern said that one evening a friend of his called him at his clinic. “Still killing babies at this hour?” he joked. Hern says that he knows this is to be expected b/c he does in fact “take life.”
It looks like Carhart is going to take George Tiller’s place to keep his clinic up and running. Just read it.
Posted by: heather at June 2, 2009 6:47 AM
yes I figured this would happen.
we should double our prayers to close this clinic. Fast, penance and prayer. Lets shut this death camp down.
angel, I know. Gotta double up on the prayers for Carhart.
I take it these 2 back up docs for tiller are lisenced for Kansas. The problem is they will have to run the business. They can’t just drop in town and do the assembly line for a few days and leave. They will have to all the reports and what little compliane is required and that is not easy. I remember there is a waiting period. so they can’t just say hello to the woman in stirrups, do the psych evaluation by looking over the drapes and finish the abortion all in one event.
Janet 9:43PM
Keith Odorman and Rachel Madcow. Just consider the source.
Its no wonder their ratings are in the toilet.
xppc 8:32am
I’m sure they will continue the practice of hiring people off the street and this will help keep expenses down.
Has anyone taken me up on my challenge to visit the militia websites and go after these guys for recruiting and spawning the likes of Roeder?
Certainly your outrage over Tiller’s murder would make you toss caution to the wind (these aren’t very nice people) and inspire you to tell these folks that since they promote fanaticism and defiance of the law, they are responsible for the murder of Tiller.
Ken 6:35PM
Speaking of perspective, do you recall much outrage over the killing of 4 police officers in the line of duty by some dirtbag in California?
Did Oderman and Madcow have a real issue with this? Were Rush, Sean, and Bill blamed for their “hate” talk?
“..They’re losing, and the only way they see to take care of this is to kill us”
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Oh please..if the entire Pro-life movement was as violent and as twisted/ hypocriticial as they say we are…there would’ve been a lot more dead abortionists in a very short time.
If we’re comparing body counts…there’s 1.6 million dead babies per year due to abortions…and 1 dead abortionist in 10 years, killed by some nutjob who’s not even part of a pro-life organization…
Let me see…that would be a ratio of 16 million dead babies to 1 dead abortionist in a 10 year span…
Now, tell me… who’s more violent??
RSD,
Its time to stop being defensive and demand the PC’s take up the challenge I have offered them in my JUne 1 4:57PM
Let’s see what courage and conviction these people really have. We PL people are considerably nicer than these militias. Let’s see a real demonstration of their outrage.
Come on folks, show us what you’re made of. Go to those militia sites and tell those real nice folks exactly what you think of them recruiting and spawning the likes of Roeder.
Mary,
I agree 100% with your challenge to the pro-aborts.
The only reason “they” are emboldened to attack pro-lifers is that they know we will NOT sink to their level.
I will share a little perspective for the ignorant leftists in the video.
Dan Monnat was cheering himself and loaded with pride in Tillers court victory. Had Tiller either been shut down or left open but done a little jail time, he would still be alive today. Dan the lawyer has a client going to a funeral. Dan, all those legal stunts, attacks on Phil Kline and maneuvers, at the end of the day, evil came along and he was killed.
We never know how short our life will be.
RSD,
Thank you for the support. I expect to hear soon exactly what these militias had to say in response.
I think its that they are more afraid of the militias.
You wouldn’t catch me going to their websites and giving them hell!
Ok…now that we’re discussing the aftermath and not the death, I guess it’s safe to rejoin the conversation:
Last night I attended a vigil for Dr. Tiller. The crowd was larger than I expected, but not huge. It was mostly women, sprinkled in a few men (more than I thought, too).
The mood was reflective and energized but civil. Yes, there was a lot of discussion about domestic terrorism and intimidation of abortion providers, of which I agree is prevalent. One of the last speakers was a young woman who seemed to be on the left of even some of the constituents at the event. She was zealous, passionate and had a clear POV, even if it made some in the audience scrath their heads.
My point is this: All of her views may not represent mine 100%, but I also realize she represents a portion of a the pro-choice side – she is on the spectrum. I cannot deny her voice in the movement anymore than you can deny that Roeder’s voice falls on the pro-life spectrum – to the far, far right. And no, I don’t believe that all PL activists feel as vehemently and absolutely as he does, but let’s be honest, his view points are extreme but they ARE a faction of how pro-life ideology can manifest.
Intimidation made to invoke fear and paralyze action, either by physical force, violence or psychological manipulation, is in fact terrorism. This is why this very loaded term has been thrown around in the press lately. Roeder’s actions were a form of terrorism, as are bombings, death threats, stalking and brutality.
Do I believe this is the modus operandi for the PL movement? Not necessarily. But I do believe there are people who have concluded that they must put a stop to abortions and access to them by any means necessary and the service providers or centers damaged along the way are collateral.
My last point is: If you think about how cavalier some are (even on this board) at labeling providers/doctors/supporters/etc as ‘evil’, ‘soulless’, ‘Godless’, ‘Hitler’ ‘Nazi’abortions as ‘a holocaust that must be stopped’ and plenty worse inflammatory generalizations, why is it difficult to conclude that such inciteful phrasing wouldn’t push the “right” person over the edge?
Mary,
Excellent points. We pro-lifers are “too nice”, easy targets for the hateful pro-aborts. The same for goes for Christians in this country.
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“AMessNBC.”
Jasper, that’s pretty good! I don’t make a habit of watching them, but had to check it out. What a joke. Making fun of a competing station is one thing, but personal attacks should be out of bounds.
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One Mom,
I watched Cooper’s interview of abortionist extraordinaire Hern and he evaded every question. Cooper tried to get him to admit that not all late lerm abortions are medically necessary and all Hern could say was they were very “complicated” situations and were the decision of the mother and her family. He took no personal responsibility for ENDING A LIFE.
Danielle,
Yes indeed we can deny Roeder’s voice falls in the PL spectrum. NOT even close.
Roeder belonged to NO pro-life organizations and his actions have not been condoned by one legitimate PL spokesperson or leader. Your side is so desperate to show a connection that Roeder’s two posts to the OR website “prove” he was influenced by PLs.
That’s as absurd as my robbing a bank and saying that posting on Jill’s blog “proves” she influenced me or is responsible for my action.
This is a man involved in the “freemen” militia which supports defiance of US laws, which he did often.
This man was caught with explosives and devices that could have made a bomb capable or killing one person. Did he have a judge or police officer in mind?
As such I have issued a challenge to all PCs on this blog who are so “concerned” about violence to go to the militia websites and let these folks know how their “hate speech” promotion of lawlessness and tolerance of the likes of Roeder will only result in more killing. Tell them how you hold their speech and actions responsible for the death of Tiller.
I hope you’ll take me up on the challenge Danielle, but I warn you, these people are not nice. They’re known to be very violent.
My last point is: If you think about how cavalier some are (even on this board) at labeling providers/doctors/supporters/etc as ‘evil’, ‘soulless’, ‘Godless’, ‘Hitler’ ‘Nazi’abortions as ‘a holocaust that must be stopped’ and plenty worse inflammatory generalizations, why is it difficult to conclude that such inciteful phrasing wouldn’t push the “right” person over the edge?
Posted by: Danielle at June 2, 2009 10:50 AM
Mature people are not affected by inflammatory language. Roeders family has said that he suffered from mental illness.
If you want to place this type of person on the far, far, right of the PL spectrum, then you should certainly consider the possibility that people on the far, far, left on the pro-abortion spectrum might be mentally ill as well.
I don’t believe the killer of Tiller lies anywhere on the PL spectrum. He is on the outside looking in and did not act in a manner worthy of being considered a Pro-lifer. Pro-lifers are against murder – it’s the essence of the movement.
“Intimidation made to invoke fear and paralyze action, either by physical force, violence or psychological manipulation, is in fact terrorism”
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I feel intimidated every time I hear presidaent Abortion speak …does that mean he’s a terorist, too?
AMessNBC.”
Jasper, that’s pretty good! I don’t make a habit of watching them, but had to check it out. What a joke. Making fun of a competing station is one thing, but personal attacks should be out of bounds.
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Or MSLSD..whatever you like.
Also note that this is CNN…Communist News Network!
Posted by: Mary at June 2, 2009 11:01 AM
“Roeder belonged to NO pro-life organizations and his actions have not been condoned by one legitimate PL spokesperson or leader. Your side is so desperate to show a connection that Roeder’s two posts to the OR website “prove” he was influenced by PLs. That’s as absurd as my robbing a bank and saying that posting on Jill’s blog “proves” she influenced me or is responsible for my action.”
-Mary, as someone who is/was extremely opposed to abortion, and tragically, murdered someone because of that belief, Roeder would be considered an off-shoot of the pro-life movement. Like it or not, he is. If the tables were turned and someone attacked/killed a prominent pro-life advocate because they opposed that leader’s critique on abortion, they would be considered an off-shoot of the pro-choice movement, unfortunately. They would be denounced, but it would not change the motives behind what they did and it’s alignment to more rational, sane, centric views/actions.
Secondly, if Jill consistently reminded you that robbing a bank was your right, that it should be legal and that there was no moral opposition to stealing, and as her student/friend/colleague you eventually felt empowered to rob a bank, then she could be indirectly tied to your action.
Time and time again, the PL side uses ‘years of feminist brainwashing’ and the ‘coarsening of society’ as examples for why abortions are supported. This brainwashing and hardening has supposedly happened over the coarse of 30+ years of indocrination, yes? This is the flip side of the very same idea. You can’t conclude that people become hardened and calloused to abortion because they’ve been exposed to the promotion of it and then say you can’t be influenced to incite violence or harm…essentially become overly sensitive…if you’ve been exposed to the opposition of it.
“I have issued a challenge to all PCs on this blog who are so “concerned” about violence to go to the militia websites and let these folks know how their “hate speech” promotion of lawlessness and tolerance of the likes of Roeder will only result in more killing. Tell them how you hold their speech and actions responsible for the death of Tiller.”
-Yes, I’m familiar with the challenge that you’ve repeatedly posted over the past few days. I will tell you I have no desire to, nor will I. I have civil disagreements with people on this board. Two adults can talk to each other and remain respectful. I don’t believe most of you to be violent, offensive or mentally unstable. However, I cannot say the same for militia groups, and I do not make a habit of engaging in conversations with irrational people (even here). It’s the equivalent of asking a Klan member what their beef is with minorities. Your challenge is rejected.
Anyone else notice Barry had NOTHING to say about the killing yesterday of one of his soldiers but made a point of issuing a press release after Tiller was killed?
NOT A WORD about the attack on the army recruiters in Arkansas. One dead, one seriously injured.
Barely a mention on the Communist News Network or MSLSD either.
Joanne @ 12:59,
He didn’t? What a huge mistake on his part. The military are our heroes and should be honored for their service.
Janet,
Nope, not a word from Barry about this tragedy. And I agree…. the military are heroes and should be treated as such.
“There is an anti-abortion terrorist movement operating in America…”(R. Maddow – MSNBC)
Wow, where are these people when there is pro-abortion violence? They turn a deaf ear because it doesn’t support their agenda. And did they have anything to say about the terrorist attack on the soldiers at the Army recruiting office?
Danielle, 11:48am
Roeder is a murderer, period. He is a man with a history of violence. If he killed a police officer, a not unlikely occurence given his history and beliefs, would that mean that he is an offshoot of those those of us who have dreaded seeing those flashing lights in our rearview mirror after exceeding the speed limit? Hardly.
No I would not consider someone killing a PL leader as an offshoot of the PC movement unless there was hard evidence to prove it. If that person belonged to a militia, had a history of violence and arrest, had harassed judges and lawyers, then I would just consider him/her a murderer who represents nothing but his/her own sick self.
It wouldn’t matter what Jill said, if I ultimately made the decision and carried out the act, I would have no one to blame but myself.
No court of law would let me walk because Jill “influenced” me.
Someone can encourage me to rob a bank all they want. I’m not going to rob a bank under any circumstances.
Good grief Danielle, have you listened to some of the rap music or seen what is on TV and the movies? Talk about glorifying violence. How about Hustler Magazine which has degraded women in the most vile manner imaginable? But that’s protected as free speech and art. And it doesn’t influence anyone according to the great thinkers in Hollywood, the music industry, and the civil libertarian groups most of whom are liberal Democrats.
Danielle, people express all kinds of opinions, say all kinds of things, and spew a lot of hatred all the time. Its life. The world is not full of nice people who tiptoe around our feelings.
This in no way relieves us of responsibility for our actions or the decisions we make.
People have a right to express opinions I don’t like and you don’t like. The Klan and the black Muslims have a right to spew racial and anti-semitic hatred. I have the right to reject it and them.
Actually I’m relieved you will not visit a militia website. The thought of those people knowing my e-mail and IP address would make for some very sleepless nights. I like you and don’t want to see you in any danger.
As you point out, these are not rational people and as such should be considered potentially dangerous. People like Roeder.
Joanne and Eileen #2
Did Barry, Madcow, or Odorman express much outrage over the 4 police officers in California who were killed by some dirtbag?
As for the video,
I would like to see the footage from across this great nation of ours…the footage of all of those out sidewalk counseling and calling for death for all abortionists. Day in and day out. Cough it up.
Joanne,
There was an attack on a recruiter station and a soldier was killed?
That means only one thing!! Its those anti war people! They’re responsible for this shooting! Its their rhetoric that turns the people against our military! Find out if the shooter(s)ever talked to anybody from Code Pink, has a phone number of an anti-war activist, or posted on an anti war website!
All you folks who oppose the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and ever voiced your opposition are responsible for this shooting!!! Especially you people who really expressed your outrage!!!
Danielle,
You would certainly agree with me that anyone gunning down recruiters must be an offshoot of the anti war movement, right?
Danielle, that is about as germane as stating the Roeder drank Diet Pepsi (which I have no clue if he did) so he could be considered a fringe element of the group of people who drink Diet Pepsi and others who drank Diet Pepsi were in some way responsible for his actions.
Posted by: Mary at June 2, 2009 2:47 PM:
“Good grief Danielle, have you listened to some of the rap music or seen what is on TV and the movies? Talk about glorifying violence. How about Hustler Magazine which has degraded women in the most vile manner imaginable? But that’s protected as free speech and art. And it doesn’t influence anyone according to the great thinkers in Hollywood, the music industry, and the civil libertarian groups most of whom are liberal Democrats.”
-This is where I dissent and I don’t think that’s true. Personally, I think that lots of the above has both positive and negative affects on society. I’ll throw the lot of off color, offensive and ‘blasphemous’ ideas in there as well. This does not, however, mean that I don’t consider it free speech.
“The world is not full of nice people who tiptoe around our feelings. This in no way relieves us of responsibility for our actions or the decisions we make.”
-Well that goes without saying. But there’s a diffence between dissenting, passionate speech and inciting violence. This is the oh so fine line that is under discussion. I don’t care if 1,000 protesters converge peacefully at a clinic. It’s protected dissent. I’m talking about intimidation, physical force and threats. That’s NOT protected. And yes, speech CAN be a part of this inciteful behavior.
You would certainly agree with me that anyone gunning down recruiters must be an offshoot of the anti war movement, right?
Posted by: Mary at June 2, 2009 3:03 PM
-Sounds like a terrorist, to me. Who, yes, would be an off shoot of an anti-war constituency.
Danielle, that is about as germane as stating the Roeder drank Diet Pepsi (which I have no clue if he did) so he could be considered a fringe element of the group of people who drink Diet Pepsi and others who drank Diet Pepsi were in some way responsible for his actions.
Posted by: Elisabeth at June 2, 2009 3:16 PM
-I can’t figure out if you really expected me to respond to this, but I will anyway.
Diet Pepsi drinkers are not a part of a movement of people and groups trying to change a law or behavior. They just like Diet Pepsi. It’s a little different, Elisabeth. But you know that.
“Anyone else notice Barry had NOTHING to say about the killing yesterday of one of his soldiers but made a point of issuing a press release after Tiller was killed?”
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Joanne…that only proves one thing: president abortion cares MORE about abortionists than his troops.
Think about it, he didn’t serve in the military, never knew what each soldier stood for…and over half his life he has aligned himsself with radical extremists who hate America and he publicly refuses to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.
On the other hand, these Abortionists and their supporters have given a lot for him to assume the presidency…and when of them bites the dust, he makes a Press release immediately to denounce it.
Danielle 3:19PM
Let me get this straight. Glorifying violence, vile language, and the degrading of women has positive as well as negative effects? None of this could in anyway responsible for violence?
I don’t quite understand your point.
I in no way support intimidation, threats, physical violence or the inciting of violence. I’m am discussing speech alone. If someone says something that “incites” you to violence, you and you alone are responsible for that violence. You made the choice, you carried out the action.
BTW, does anyone know how much time Roeder even spent listening to PL people?
Danielle 3:21PM
Turns out the shooter is black, Muslim, and a “jihadist”
I agree that like Roeder he is a terrorist.
I also agree that as a terrorist he is not an “offshoot” of black Americans, Muslims, or the anti war movement.
He’s a deranged killer who gunned down people for his own sick “reason”.
Let me get this straight. Glorifying violence, vile language, and the degrading of women has positive as well as negative effects? None of this could in anyway responsible for violence?
I don’t quite understand your point.
Posted by: Mary at June 2, 2009 3:44 PM
-Not to get off message, but no, I don’t view all music and art the same way. Music can have positive and negative impacts on a society. I’m not myopic about it…it’s not black and white for me. Some is good, some is bad, some is in between. Yes, that include music, art and entertainment that contain adult language and images. Whether or not a movie or song is “glorifying” violent or anti-social behavior without any artistic merit is a case by case issue.
Janet – I had not seen Hern until last night on CNN, and I was frightened!
Another deranged madman…just like Carhart…yet they’re still killing.
When will it end?
As many have stated before. Why don’t we wait and see the reason this man had for killing Tiller. People are murdered every day. They may hold many occupations. I nurse I used to work with was murdered in 2004. She wasn’t an abortion clinic worker. She hadn’t payed up on a debt, so a former male friend shot her to death. Again, PLfers just want to help to save babies and spare women and men a lifetime of suffering. We are not violent.
Heather 7:05am
Its like the killing of abortionist John Wayne Patterson. I was surprised when I saw PC websites treating this like some mystery because it was never solved. Were PL forces really hiding behind a lamppost on that dark street waiting for Patterson to emerge from the porno theater??
He was shot when he confronted two muggers rifling his cadillac in a parking lot in the dead of nite in a very dangerous neighborhood after leaving the porno theater.( A fact that goes conveniently unmentioned, not difficult to see why).
Now Scotland Yard need not be consulted concerning this “mystery”. Parking one’s cadillac in a dangerous neighborhood at night is a clarion call to every mugger within a 5 mile radius. Being in a dangerous neighborhood at nite isn’t very bright either. People are mugged and killed every day in this country. Also the police ruled it a random killing and it remained unsolved. Again not an unusual occurence. Maybe the police were part of the PL plot????? hmmmmmmmm????
However there is another factor to this “mystery”. I know by now everyone is on the edge of their seats. This point that goes unmentioned is Patterson owed thousands in gambling debts. Could an impatient loan shark, and not PL forces, been waiting for him on that dark street?? The mystery only deepens and the question that still haunts everyone is:
Did mysterious PL forces really kill Patterson??
And to think Patterson might still be alive today if he had just invested in a good VCR.
They chronicled 850 baseball deaths in Death at the Ballpark, spanning professional, amateur, Little League, and even backyard pickup games. And though the book purports to be comprehensive, readers have already tipped them off to about 50 incidents they missed.
The pro abortion crazies are mis directing their anger.
These are people also. Why no outrage?
Mary. You always manage to make me laugh! You have mentioned Patterson before, and you raise some great points about his seedy lifestyle!! People are killed every day for lots of reasons. In Patterson’s case, I doubt it was because of his occupation. More there than meets the eye. However, the femenists will always start their premature howling before they get their facts straight.
Ah, Mary. You are awesome!!
I prayed at Tiller’s clinic of sorrow, asking God to stop the killing by Tiller.
Was this prayer answered?
I video tape PL events at clinics around the country and have taped the vicious attacks, mostly verbal, by the PC attendees.
The Church of Jesus Christ, views this event as one of justice/injustice and fears for their reputation rather then serving the King of kings, Jesus….
Humans just want validation that their sin is OK, and don’t dare judge them!
Use the Holy Bible to see God’s standard for his followers and follow Him boldly!