Jivin J’s Life Links 10-21-09
by JivinJ
The documents, released Tuesday, say Mitchell took Tiffany – his adopted sister – to a Charlotte abortion clinic in July, but she was turned away because she was too far along at 21 weeks. So Mitchell planned a trip to an Atlanta clinic within days where Tiffany’s pregnancy could be terminated….
Tiffany was 8 months pregnant when she was gunned down on Sept. 14 as she waited for her school bus. Doctors delivered her baby girl, but the infant later died.
Here is the problem. How can you test an embryo unless it has ALREADY been conceived? If all of the embryos tested with CGH have already been conceived then how can CGH “double conception rates” as the article claims?
I’ll tell you how. By changing the definition of conception to mean implantation. See, it is so much easier to toss out something you think hasn’t been “conceived” yet. When people think pre-conception they think egg and sperm which is accurate. But by saying the embryos that are being tested haven’t been conceived yet, these embryos suddenly carry the moral weight of egg and sperm. Which means practically none. Egg, sperm, pre-conceived embryo? All just biological waste that can be tossed out if defective.
The problem is that embryos have been conceived. They are fundamentally different from egg and sperm. They are full members of the species Homo sapiens and organisms in their own right. No amount of linguistic gymnastics can change that.
We know how isolating and hard it can be. We know that when you go home, it’s challenging to tell your partner/friends/parents/pet/whatever about your day, because they just.won’t.get.it. We know it’s not a normal job.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Hey,Abortioneers, maybe you should stop killing humans for a living. Might help ease those social situations.
“We know it’s not a normal job.” Excuse my English but “Damn straight”, it’s not your normal job, spending your day dialating wormen’s uteruses, mutilating and dismembering babies and suctioning babies out with powerful suction has got to be a bloody gory, and disgusting mess. Good grief, of course you don’t talk about your “job” over the dinner table or at a cocktail party unless you are at a party of your abortion comrades.Can you imagine the abortionist going to Career Day at their child’s school and saying “I WORK AT PLANNED PARENTHOOD I ABORT BABIES ALL DAY”. A Child asks “What does that mean”? Abortionist answers “OH, I GET PAID TO MUTILATE AND SUCIION OUT BABIES, THEN TO CHECK TO MAKE SURE I GOT IT ALL, I HAVE TO PIECE BACK TOGETHER ALL OF THE BABIES PARTS”. How sick!! Can you imagine the kids going home and tellinG that to their parents and the nightmares they would have.
abortionists: no different than the “soldiers” that were assigned to Nazi Death Camps.
Abortioneers: needing a pet to commiserate with? Get guppy and ensure she’s got a mate—then you can bemoan your challenging day, cheek pressed against the aquarium as she gobbles up her babies and fixes you with a glassy stare, “Only you get me!”
My apologies to fish lovers.
Whoops. Get *a guppy. Not like, got guppy?
I hope justice is served for Tiffany and her little girl. Abortion is violence. Violence begets more violence. When will women recognize that they deserve better?
Please excuse my spelling errors at 12:08pm, I meant to write “spending your day dialating women’s uteruses”. Also where I wrote: Abortionist answers “I GET PAID TO MUTILATE AND SUCTION OUT BABIES”. Sorry was in a hurry.
Prolifer,
You tell ’em!!
Those people are loons. They are writing a BLOG ON THE INTERNET after all!!! Of course we’ll READ IT. Next thing, they’ll be posting photos of themselves and wondering how people have figured out what they do for a living.
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klynn73,
“Get a guppy..”
That’s hilarious.
What got me about that blog was the story of one woman doctor who performed an abortion one day then helped a woman have a premature baby the next day. The premie was the same gestational age as the one she had previously aborted. She questioned it yes, but sounded as though she would continue to be both an abortionist and a ob/gyn. Really creepy what your mind can do to or for you.
I really think these abortion providers are misguided. That is, they really believe they are helping women, but they are driven by ideology and their goals are short-sited, preforming an abortion & sending these women back to their crappy present living situations without addressing the underlying socio-economic issues is not empowering these women for change nor truly helping them.
to better their lives. Abortion is a temporary solution to more serious underlying issues, which led the woman to feel she was in a situation where she couldn’t have a baby. How many of those women are going to be repeat customers when their birth control fails & they become pregnant again, still in the same crappy situation, and go on to have yet another abortion.
Yes Andy, there has to be a certain amount of emotional disconnection & callousness, to avoid the emotional reprecussions of terminating pregnancies, especially advanced pregnancies & the socio-economic situations which bring women in. It seems there is a higher incidence of alcohol and substance abuse among abortion providers than in other medical professions.
Mods, I checked out the above comment with link and it’ is spam.
Oh yes! SNIFF abortionists, sniff sniff. Poor you. Its US “anti’s” that send “yucky negativity” your way, NOT the fact that you dismember fellow human beings all day. No, its not that at all.
And I love the cursing and general foul language. You sound so educated, so professional. I would DEFINITELY love to have someone as crass as you poking and tearing at my genitals. Wonderful. you must be the cream of the abortion crop.
And you only want to dialogue with so called “pro-lifers” who have had abortions too…you don’t want to debate the rest of us. Is that cause you know you can’t win the debate? Truth is on our side and you know it.
The thing is, we do love and care for women. I AM a woman. I am a mother. I care about my fellow women! And I know as a mother and a woman that abortion is NOT in our best interest! What is in our best interest is our MEN standing up and being men and supporting us in our pregnancies. We don’t want to be forced into abortion anymore! Look at the story above the abortioneers blog. The 15 year old shot dead for refusing an abortion. How is that empowering of women? So women are now so liberated our choices are “Have an abortion against your will or be killed.” NICE….thanks to the National Organization for Women we have come such a long long way. Women are disrespected more now than ever before. Good going Planned Parenthood!
Where are these abortioneer people when the women they lied to are lying in their bedrooms screaming “Give me back my baby!” and sobbing gut-wrenching sobs? Where are they when the nightmares hit and the guilt and the longing for the infant they will never know? Yeah, thanks for uh, “helping” women. Awesome.
You said it, Sydney M. I wish we still had a strong social expectation for a man who gets a woman pregnant to stand up and take care of his child, instead of what we have now – “men” who laugh and say “You’re pregnant? So? Get an abortion and leave me alone!” or do even worse things like use violence or coercion to force a woman into an abortion she does not want. How degrading, especially to women but also to men in a way.
“. . .but sounded as though she would continue to be both an abortionist and a ob/gyn. Really creepy what your mind can do to or for you.”
Posted by: Andy at October 21, 2009 6:22 PM
Lots of ob/gyn’s both deliver babies and perform abortions.
“Lots of ob/gyn’s both deliver babies and perform abortions.”
Hal,
How many would you say is “lots”?
Its funny Hal, my Ob/Gyn while I certainly don’t think he was pro-life in the least because he made comments about how abortion didn’t bother him but yet he was very concerned that I know that HE DIDN’T PERFORM ABORTIONS…I mean he was really stressing that to me. If abortions aren’t murder then why was he so concerned that I not think HE was an abortionist…he acted like it was so beneath him.
Hal, And yet many of these ob/gyns struggle emotionally with this and it takes a certain emotional dissconnect.
*disconnection not disconnected
Hal you are wrong. I have worked in healthcare. Ob/Gyns do not want to be connected with abortions (at least the ones who want respectable, growing practices don’t), most of them do feel it is “beneath them”, and they don’t associate with abortionists either. One OB who started off doing abortions when asked by a patient if he did them, stopped because he did not want to lose patients. The lone abortionist who lived in the area was considered a “butcher” as an OB, was kicked out by other practices, could not establish his own private practice and make it. Lawyers may not care who they associate with but OBs usually do. Being an abortionist doesn’t go over well at the cocktail parties for polite conversation about what you did at work this week. Delivering babies, C-Sections, hysterectomies are ok but mutilating, dismembering, suctioning out and piecing together baby parts to make sure you got it all, won’t cut it (pun intended).
Hal,
Still wondering …. how many is “lots”?
Besides the OB/GYN who (as you claim) aborted your first and third child, how many other OB/GYN’s do you know who do abortions?
I confess I don’t know how many is “lots.” I’ll try to find out. I would guess most, but they just don’t want people like you guys to know about it. I imagine it’s part of the job. I could be wrong.
Prolifer, my wife’s Ob/gyn is one of the most respected in Seattle. He had a thriving practice at one of the best facilities in town.
Let’s see what the internet can tell us:
“39.4% of Canadian ob/gyns said they perform abortions.”
looks like about the same in the US:
“Although ob-gyns are the most likely to perform abortions, only four in 10 do so. Among ob-gyns who do not perform tubal sterilizations or abortions, and among urologists who do not perform vasectomies, the primary reason is moral or religious objections (reported by 59-71 percent). For GP/FPs and surgeons who do not perform the three procedures, the leading reason is that they do not perform surgery or that type of surgery; however, 34 percent of nonproviders in these specialties report moral or religious opposition to abortion. Eight in 10 ob-gyns will provide contraceptives to minors without parental consent, but only six in 10 GP/FPs will do so.”
I resent tubal ligation being lumped in with abortion in the statistics you cited, Hal.
Your wife’s Ob/Gyn is practicing in a super-liberal state and city, not mainstream middle-class America. Considering your pro-choice mindset, you and your wife probably wanted an OB who would perform abortions at your request and when the mood or situation changed a “chosen one” (who I would call a baby) would be allowed to live. I would imagine there are big-city Ob/Gyn/Abortionist who have large practices in some areas of the country where abortion is more acceptable. I know that the “respectable” OBs in my area will not do them but they will refer a patient to Planned Parenthood (which I call Banned Parenthood). Pro-life activist in my area have reported that the abortionist from PP come in from out-of-town to do their dirty, bloody work, then they leave town at the end of their shift.
I think Xalisae had a good point, that combining Ob/Gyns who perform tubal ligations with those who perform abortions is deceptive and not an accurate measure of the actual percentage of Ob/Gyns who perform abortions.
The way I read it 4 out of 10 ob/gyns perform abortions. There is an earlier statistic on ob/gyns who perform tubal ligations. Then, they talk about the reasons given for doing or not doing certain procedures, and they lump tubal ligations in with abortions. It doesn’t change the overall number. Anyway, this is what came up in a five minute google search, you’re welcome to spend some time with google and see if you come up with different numbers. I don’t claim to be an expert on this topic, but my instinct that “lots of ob/gyns perform abortions” seems pretty accuate. 30 to 40% is “lots.”